I'm starting to understand the whole MGTOW thing

[rudder]

Do you have the means to try other countries? If not do you have the means to try other parts of Peru? What part of the country is the town you're staying in located? I've read a lot of reports online that the northern part of the country is the best for quality women and that they're very friendly and outgoing towards foreigners. Those same reports seem to indicate that the greater Lima area is pretty crap.... no clue about the southern part of the country tho.

How's your Spanish by the way? Are you interacting with these girls in Espanol or Ingles?

There are plenty of options in the middle my friend... you don't have to go from "University girl" straight to "Overweight 30-something". I'd recommend trying to get involved in whatever community you're staying in... meet lots of new people and maybe get introduced to quality, young, truly family minded girls that way. I'm sure plenty of Peruvian parents would love to introduce their daughters to a quality foreign guy who shows a real interest in them and their community.

The first step is to know EXACTLY what you want in a potential lifelong partner. Seems like you still haven't sorted that out completely... I have a feeling you'll have better luck once you do.

Yes, I'm seriously considering trying another part of Peru pretty soon. I've been here in Tarapoto for almost a month now, and "best for quality women and that they're very friendly and outgoing towards foreigners" is not the description I'd give for the women here.

Please PM me some links to the reports online that you're talking about. I'd really like to see what others have discovered in Peru. So far, out of all the places I've visited, I'd say Lima was the best in terms of friendly people. But then again, maybe I just got lucky with the people who I crossed paths with.

As far as knowing EXACTLY what I want in a lifelong partner, I have a pretty good idea, but I'm still open to pleasant surprises. I'd like a woman with a fun, happy, bubbly personality who is honest, very attentive and touchy-feely, who knows how to serve, and prioritizes her man above all else. I feel that's a good base to start from.

My Spansh is fluent, so getting to know them deeply isn't too difficult. It can be exhausting after a while, though, so it would be good to meet a girl that knows at least intermediate conversational English in order to save me from those moments when I'm just sick of speaking in Spanish.

Recently, I got involved with the local evangelical church. I find that to be a great outlet. Aside from Sunday worship, there are tons of activities on other days, and the church divides people into groups based on age. I think everyone that goes to those groups is single. There's an 18-24 group. I'm in the 25 and up age group. The friends I made in this group seem to be pretty decent, and there is at least one girl I'd look at as relationship material. Yes, "well-adjusted" is a good term. I'd rather meet people through this setting, because it basically screens out a lot of crummy people.

Still though, I'm not so keen to stick around this town. I've got a lot of good business contacts here, and I'm starting to build a pretty decent network, but I just don't like the fact that I'm having trouble gathering romantic prospects, due mostly to the disposition of the locals.

[manly5000]

I'll try to dig some up for ya.

The areas I remember reading about, specifically the "friendly and outgoing towards gringos" bit, was in the Northwest region. Cities like Piura, Chiclayo, and Trujillo if memory serves. Have you been through those areas?

Sounds like you have a solid plan so just hang in there and give 'er hell dude. Travel around until you find your spot, wherever you fit in and enjoy the most. Las chicas van a venir senor, no te preocupas.

[jamesbond]

This man was married for 17 years to an American woman. He helped her raise her 3 kids that she had with another man. After 17 years of marriage she told him she was not 'happy' and wanted a divorce. She got a new boyfriend 3 months after their divorce. It took him 5 years to even start dating again after the pain of his divorce.

He eventually found another woman who he thought was his 'soul mate.' They dated for 3 years and then out the blue she dumped him and started dating another guy a week later. Listen to what he has to say about his life and his thoughts on women.

[Ghost]

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[MrMan]

This man was married for 17 years to an American woman. He helped her raise her 3 kids that she had with another man. After 17 years of marriage she told him she was not 'happy' and wanted a divorce. She got a new boyfriend 3 months after their divorce. It took him 5 years to even start dating again after the pain of his divorce.

He eventually found another woman who he thought was his 'soul mate.' They dated for 3 years and then out the blue she dumped him and started dating another guy a week later. Listen

I totally understand why men who have been through divorces and break-ups of long term relationships might go MGTOW. But they try to recruit the young, and I don't understand why young men without these experiences would go for it.

If a man marries a woman who has kids by another man or other men, generally, the woman is probably pretty high risk. I'd put Brady Bunch situations in another category. If she was married, faithfully, to a man and didn't sleep around beforehand, and he died, she might not be high risk.

[MrMan]

Even if you've never known anything else, how does any man ever - under any circumstances - think that raising another man's kids is a good idea?

Adopting an orphan and being a foster parent are noble things. That's not bad. You speak too generally. I do see a problem with stepping into a situation to compete with a 'baby daddy.' If he's dead, I don't see it as an issue. Marrying a widow with children may make sense if a man is a widower with children. There are no ex's to compete for attention, just the ex's parents, in some cases.

It's kind of a fair deal, too. The widower needs a mom for his kids. A single woman might not have the mothering skills developed, and it may be tough for her to jump into mommy role without even having been a mother herself. The widow needs a dad for her kids, too, and the widower is an experienced dad. She didn't have the kids from sleeping around or leave their father.

There are some situations where it makes sense.

[Ghost]

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[S_Parc]

You know, I'd always wished that someone, other than my biological father, had raised me.

This idea that natural, non-adoptive families are perfect and wonderful is a pile of crap. I consider this to be the victim mentality nonsense of the adopted, who can't get over the fact that once they're born, they need to grow up and become adults on their own.

The difference is that bio-parents assume that their kids are their private property, by virtue of DNA. Adoptive parents, however, are suppose to walk on eggshells over these issues.

[The Un-American]

I too notice that even women I am friends with and that are nice to me have a "wall" that I can't cross. It's like no matter how cool a chick seems, there is a snob hidden inside deep down.

[Zambales]

I too notice that even women I am friends with and that are nice to me have a "wall" that I can't cross. It's like no matter how cool a chick seems, there is a snob hidden inside deep down.

There's nothing wrong with that. If you had a female friend who wanted something more than just being friends, and you weren't interested, wouldn't you have a "wall"?

[Zambales]

I too notice that even women I am friends with and that are nice to me have a "wall" that I can't cross. It's like no matter how cool a chick seems, there is a snob hidden inside deep down.

There's nothing wrong with that. If you had a female friend who wanted something more than just being friends, and you weren't interested, wouldn't you have a "wall"?

Especially the ones who are taken, ought to have such a wall. Or else they would not be awfully faithful now would they be?

Exactly!

[Teal Lantern]

Even if you've never known anything else, how does any man ever - under any circumstances - think that raising another man's kids is a good idea? That anything good could ever come from it? I've seen such idiotic moves even in my own family. I just don't understand it. Why are some men bound and determined to cuckold themselves intentionally? Virtually every problem this society has comes from idiotic men. A woman can try to push her thugspawn on other guys all day long, but she has no power until some moron wifes her up and gives her everything.

You mean to say you won't date a mom?

[Ghost]

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[jamesbond]

There are more and more men in America starting ignore American women. Men in the US really are tuning American women out.

[Yohan]

There are more and more men in America starting ignore American women. Men in the US really are tuning American women out.

This is about MGTOW - the idea is about passive resistance against feminism. Be risk averse. Better safe than sorry.
Nobody can criticise you if you reject psychotic American women. However most men still do not know how to say NO.

Feminists are telling MGTOW who are refusing to date American women out of legal concern and reject feminism that such talk is 'Hate Speech'. Or a 'good' feminist argument is NAWALT (shaming language - not all women are like that)

Still whatever, there is no law which can force men to socialize with women if they do not want out of whatever reason.