Updates from Winston's Return to the Philippines!

[OutWest]

Um don't you two get it? To get sex with a Filipina for free, you would have to pretend to be in love with her and desire a monogamous relationship with her. Some guys just want the sex, they don't want to pretend to be interested in a serious monogamous relationship just to get sex. Duh. Isn't that obvious?

Also, some guys prefer sex with no strings attached and to have multiple partners. Bar girls provide an easy way to get that. And are a low cost option too.

It's also kind of like fast food. Why do people get fast food? Because it's cheap and quick of course. Same principle.

How can all this be over you head? It's common sense.

Also Outwest, most of these girls that foreigners date in the Philippines are poor. They NEED money. Why do you expect them to give sex for free? It's a poor country where people make very little money. Of course they NEED the money. Everything is a give and take in this world. You can't get something for nothing. That's the way the world is. Haven't you gone out into the real world yet? lol. People ask for what they need. Men need sex. Women need money in poor countries. So they trade. What's so hard to understand about that? Duh! lol

Winston, the fact it didn't happen to you (to have sex with a Filipina for the sake of sex), it doesn't meant it can't happen to anyone. Will n Dowd has been reporting getting laid left right and centre despite making it very, very clear for the onset that he never wanted more a short fling or a fubu.

As you say. I'm well as into my 50s even if I am in good shape, and I likely get at least a proposal a week. If I actually was trying, that would probably double. Whatever their motives, some girls make it quite clear that they want to rumble, including things like..." I will come and see you..." Or " just give me a baby..."

But Winston is right about one thing,: if money is all you have to offer, make sure you are with a girl who is asking nothing more. While this is especially so in the Philippines, even girls elsewhere tend to be full of surprises sometimes. I'm in Oregon at the moment and had dinner last night with a 58 year old man and his 26 year old GF. I think it MUST be about the money, at least I thought so. It turns out she is loaded.

[publicduende]

I'm in Oregon at the moment and had dinner last night with a 58 year old man and his 26 year old GF. I think it MUST be about the money, at least I thought so. It turns out she is loaded.

I didn't know George Clooney had a house in Oregon and had selected HA-ers in his habitue list

No, jokes apart, Filipinas are absolutely drawn to men who show charisma, confidence and are in particularly good shape, this before even starting to show their financial guns. In Davao I see quite a few Koreans, and they tend to have polar opposites reactions from young local girls, regardless of age and economic status. Those who have the demure, clumsy and slightly pervy attitude will only be seen with one-night-only sluts and very modest fuglies (probably in need for a quick cash). Those who walk straight, confidently and take out the wallet only when they feel like it, not when the girls meow about it, get all the cuties and the hotties.

The "barrier to entry" (metaphorically prior to physically LOL) is so, so, so low in the Philippines, especially in the deep province, it's almost a shame not to try a lil' bit harder with one's personality, confidence and, well, cultural adaptation...and the results can be a large multiple of that effort (while we all know it's 1/x in most Western countries).

That's why I say - ya' know - going the path of absolute least resistance sounds to me almost an insult to the bountiful ladies' paradise that is the Land of the Morning.

[Winston]

Um don't you two get it? To get sex with a Filipina for free, you would have to pretend to be in love with her and desire a monogamous relationship with her. Some guys just want the sex, they don't want to pretend to be interested in a serious monogamous relationship just to get sex. Duh. Isn't that obvious?

Also, some guys prefer sex with no strings attached and to have multiple partners. Bar girls provide an easy way to get that. And are a low cost option too.

It's also kind of like fast food. Why do people get fast food? Because it's cheap and quick of course. Same principle.

How can all this be over you head? It's common sense.

Also Outwest, most of these girls that foreigners date in the Philippines are poor. They NEED money. Why do you expect them to give sex for free? It's a poor country where people make very little money. Of course they NEED the money. Everything is a give and take in this world. You can't get something for nothing. That's the way the world is. Haven't you gone out into the real world yet? lol. People ask for what they need. Men need sex. Women need money in poor countries. So they trade. What's so hard to understand about that? Duh! lol

Winston, the fact it didn't happen to you (to have sex with a Filipina for the sake of sex), doesn't mean it can't happen to anyone. Will n Dowd has been reporting getting laid left right and centre despite making it very, very clear from the onset that he never wanted more a short fling or a fubu.

Not exactly. Of course ive had free sex with filipinas. Its well documented. Why do you think i have a son? Duh.

When a guy meets a filipina off a dating site, theres no guarantee he will get laid that night. Not all filipinas are easy as you think. Some guys are impatient and want something guaranteed.

Will n dowd exaggerates. He got bad karma after a while when all the girls in davao got angry at him because he was banging multiple girls and developed a reputation as a player. Didnt you hear about it?

He also said that he never even buys dinner for the girls he bangs. Thats how cheap he is. Is that the kind of role model you want to praise?

[Ghost]

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[davewe]

Once a man is a hard core monger, it is unlikely his soul will ever recover, and he will not likely be capable of real relationships with girls. It seems that straight girls and their families can smell a MONGER a mile away. Lol

This is the answer!

[Rock]

Um don't you two get it? To get sex with a Filipina for free, you would have to pretend to be in love with her and desire a monogamous relationship with her. Some guys just want the sex, they don't want to pretend to be interested in a serious monogamous relationship just to get sex. Duh. Isn't that obvious?

Not at all obvious; the Philippines is known for it's mistress culture. You wouldn't believe the number of second and third families some Filipino guys have out there, the number of side women they keep entertained. And yet Westerners leave the Philippines thinking they are sex gods.

Bottom line: you don't have to pretend. There's no shortage of freaks out there and casual sex is very much a possibility.

That's not always true Winston. I've met some girls in Metro Manila who are up for sport shagging and don't expect (nor even desire in many cases) a relationship out of it nor financial benefit. The clubs and call centers may have a good share of such girls. Maybe you can read "One Night Stan" to get a bit of a humorous perspective on hook-up culture here.

The only catch is that she has to be somehow attracted to you or else maybe quite drunk lol. So guys who are better looking and/or younger or somehow funny and charismatic to Filipina sensibilities are gonna have way more chances with such girls of course.

If you are someone who is almost universally considered physically unattractive by opposite sex, then yes I suppose you might have to resort to winning Filipina's heart by acting in love with her, courting her aggressively, and being patient. It's likely that all that might not work much of the time but with Filipinas, at least you stand a fighting chance. However, if you are just faking all that, then yes I believe you're right. It's much better to just go the P4P route.

Up in Angeles where you hang, the girls transplanted from impoverished rural areas of Philippines quickly learn to use their charms as a means of extracting material benefit from men. And they quickly devalue men's efforts and goodwill towards them. This is because they have contact with so many in short periods of time and get massive amounts of attention if they are at all decent looking. So there is not much of a no strings attached hook-up dynamic there other than perhaps the much more attractive and younger guys shoring certain hos for free or heavily discounted sex.

[Winston]

Um don't you two get it? To get sex with a Filipina for free, you would have to pretend to be in love with her and desire a monogamous relationship with her. Some guys just want the sex, they don't want to pretend to be interested in a serious monogamous relationship just to get sex. Duh. Isn't that obvious?

Not at all obvious; the Philippines is known for it's mistress culture. You wouldn't believe the number of second and third families some Filipino guys have out there, the number of side women they keep entertained. And yet Westerners leave the Philippines thinking they are sex gods.

Bottom line: you don't have to pretend. There's no shortage of freaks out there and casual sex is very much a possibility.

Yeah but men with second families have to support them somehow with monthly support. It's not all free. There are consequences to everything. Even if you get it without paying, there are karmic consequences.

It's not in a girl's nature to have casual sex with no strings attached. There may be some, but that isnt true of the majority of females. Most women want a lover and true partner. Not a fling. If you ask them, they will all say that of course.

Also the girls that seek casual sex want hot guys, not average looking guys. They need to be stimulated by looks.

How come on dating sites, most female profiles say "If you're just looking for sex, don't contact me", but you NEVER see that on a guy's profile? How come I never see on a genuine girl's dating profile that she's looking for casual sex only, and not love or money or commitment?

So if there are girls actively seeking casual sex, why do they never advertise it online, yet men freely do? I've never met a girl who admitted that she only wanted casual sex with no commitment and no money and no love involved. Not even one girls has ever said that to me. Why not?

[Winston]

But you forget MarcosZeitola, that I have a charisma in the Philippines that creates a lot of comfort and connection with girls here too. Come here to Angeles and I will show you. We will go out and approach girls and you will see that I have a natural way of vibing with them. For instance, let's both approach the same girl and you will find that although she may look at your first, eventually she will feel more rapport with me. You can ask Rock or Billy and they will tell you that I do better than 99 percent of guys here when it comes to connecting with girls here and creating energy/chemistry. You always seem to forget that about me. You can even ask Dianne. She knows what I'm talking about too.

Also, most western guys in Angeles are old farts. Very few are young guys. They are not plentiful by any means here. Come here and see. So I still look better than the competition.

Many Filipinas tell me that most guys in Angeles are cold and insensitive and not as comforting as I am, regardless of their money or looks. Again, you forget all that. Your memory sucks and is selective.

I don't have problems getting girls here. I still have a roster of 5 attractive girls that I know who are still around here and will gladly meet me when I want to.

For every 10 girls that reject me, I can find 10 more that like me. Sure the pickings are slimmer now, and my tastes have changed after going to China, but I can still find plenty of girls that like me and will go with me.

Btw, FYI, Dianne has met many guys who are richer, taller or more muscular than me. Some of them have even been willing to accept her with child. Yet she never felt as comfortable with them as with me. You can ask her yourself. That speaks volumes. But again, you never remember that. I'm not like other guys here at all.

The point is, I have a warm sensitive gentle soul that has a natural smooth chemistry with SE Asian girls that words cannot describe. It's a huge intangible in my favor that most men DO NOT have. Including probably you too MarcosZeitola. Come here and I will show you what I mean.

Btw, you never even tried to answer my questions:

How come on dating sites, most female profiles say "If you're just looking for sex, don't contact me", but you NEVER see that on a guy's profile? How come I never see on a genuine girl's dating profile that she's looking for casual sex only, and not love or money or commitment?

So if there are girls actively seeking casual sex, why do they never advertise it online, yet men freely do? I've never met a girl who admitted that she only wanted casual sex with no commitment and no money and no love involved. Not even one girls has ever said that to me. Why not?

[egghead]

You know whats funny, every single guy who says he would never sleep with a prostitute, when they come to angeles city, cannot resist the urge to give in, and they inevitably barfine someone. Ive seen this many times. Even a christian guy i know who came to angeles eventually barfined someone while i barhopped with him. Happens every time. Even with guys who swear that having prostitutes and whores and bar girls is beneath them, will barfine one when the massive temptation is there in an adult disneyland like angeles city. Lol.

When the irresistible temptation is there, they make an excuse like "what the heck, lets do it just this once" because the trouble with temptation is that you never know when it will come again, as they say. Lol. No guy is gonna resist cheap sex with hot young girls no matter how principled or moral he is. Lol.

Even one of my close advisors here, whom i wont name, when he first came to angeles and said hed never barfine anyone, eventually did and told me "im just barfining her to talk, thats all, not for sex". Lol. Uh huh. Right. Lol.

What this means is that i bet that even you guys who claim youd never have a bargirl, if you just spent two days in angeles city, could not resist the urge to barfine someone or take advantage of the scene. Id bet money on it. They may say theyd never do it publicly, but when they are actually here in angeles, they will cave in and do it. Lol. Im serious. Every guy does, including the types who take the moral high ground against it. Lol. Happens every time.

What I find even funnier is that, in a country where if you don't chase tail, tail chases you, a man would have to resort to barfine girls in a seedy strip joint in Angeles city. I have never been to Angeles and doubt I will ever be there (unless I pop to the Clark area for business, as they have lots of IT parks there), but during the time I am in Davao or Manila, I see men of literally every shape and size with decent to cute, sometimes hot, girls. Said men may be young and handsome to decrepit and totally out of shape, short and tall, meaty and masculine or skinny and ephebic.

Why would anyone have to pay for an hour or two of sex with a young woman who doesn't care about them in the slightest, apart from when they're pulling the pesos out of their wallets?

Yes, it might be true that most Angeles girls are single moms from the province and are simple-minded enough to be able to show (or fake) some genuine interest and fun when in the punter's company. Yet, like in a movie, one pays the ticket, exercises suspension of belief and have some fun for those couple of hours. Then they get back to reality, where vampires and Narnia don't exist, cops aren't as fit 'n' handsome as Channing Tatum and the girl next door doesn't look like Emma Stone and ain't single.

I'm not not a very good a looking man or in great shape but that doesn't seem to matter much in the Philippines!

My wife











Her family



In America I was just another undesirable guy with a job fixing wheelchairs

[egghead]

I didn't read much in the thread, but this winston guy must be pretty hard to look at

[Winston]

I didn't read much in the thread, but this winston guy must be pretty hard to look at

No. My photos are public on this site. Havent you seen them? Im ok looking, just fat with pot belly. Wow how did you get a hot wife like that in the Philippines? She looks better than 99 percent of the wives that expats here get.

[chanta76]

Winston,

Wait...Angles hookers let you finish inside without condom? I call that dangerous...I mean these are sex workers..chances of STD's...plus what if she gets pregnant. I mean if an angles hooker let you cum inside her. What makes you think your the only one?

[publicduende]

[I'm not not a very good a looking man or in great shape but that doesn't seem to matter much in the Philippines!

My wife











Her family



In America I was just another undesirable guy with a job fixing wheelchairs

That's a real cutie you've got there, congratulations! Where is she from? Did you meet via a dating site?

You're not bad looking, just a bit out of shape. If you live in the Philippines on a diet of fresh fish, fruit and vegetable, you would lose 10/15 Kg in 6 months, guaranteed.

One more thing: consider that intention is very important when dating a Filipina. If you make it abundantly clear that you're looking for a long-term relationship leading to marriage, your chances to find a decent looking girl with a good heart and serious intentions will be multiplied! Age, looks and pocket depth no longer matter.

I wish you and your wife good luck!

[block99]

You know whats funny, every single guy who says he would never sleep with a prostitute, when they come to angeles city, cannot resist the urge to give in, and they inevitably barfine someone. Ive seen this many times. Even a christian guy i know who came to angeles eventually barfined someone while i barhopped with him. Happens every time. Even with guys who swear that having prostitutes and whores and bar girls is beneath them, will barfine one when the massive temptation is there in an adult disneyland like angeles city. Lol.

When the irresistible temptation is there, they make an excuse like "what the heck, lets do it just this once" because the trouble with temptation is that you never know when it will come again, as they say. Lol. No guy is gonna resist cheap sex with hot young girls no matter how principled or moral he is. Lol.

Even one of my close advisors here, whom i wont name, when he first came to angeles and said hed never barfine anyone, eventually did and told me "im just barfining her to talk, thats all, not for sex". Lol. Uh huh. Right. Lol.

What this means is that i bet that even you guys who claim youd never have a bargirl, if you just spent two days in angeles city, could not resist the urge to barfine someone or take advantage of the scene. Id bet money on it. They may say theyd never do it publicly, but when they are actually here in angeles, they will cave in and do it. Lol. Im serious. Every guy does, including the types who take the moral high ground against it. Lol. Happens every time.

What I find even funnier is that, in a country where if you don't chase tail, tail chases you, a man would have to resort to barfine girls in a seedy strip joint in Angeles city. I have never been to Angeles and doubt I will ever be there (unless I pop to the Clark area for business, as they have lots of IT parks there), but during the time I am in Davao or Manila, I see men of literally every shape and size with decent to cute, sometimes hot, girls. Said men may be young and handsome to decrepit and totally out of shape, short and tall, meaty and masculine or skinny and ephebic.

Why would anyone have to pay for an hour or two of sex with a young woman who doesn't care about them in the slightest, apart from when they're pulling the pesos out of their wallets?

Yes, it might be true that most Angeles girls are single moms from the province and are simple-minded enough to be able to show (or fake) some genuine interest and fun when in the punter's company. Yet, like in a movie, one pays the ticket, exercises suspension of belief and have some fun for those couple of hours. Then they get back to reality, where vampires and Narnia don't exist, cops aren't as fit 'n' handsome as Channing Tatum and the girl next door doesn't look like Emma Stone and ain't single.

I'm not not a very good a looking man or in great shape but that doesn't seem to matter much in the Philippines!

My wife



In America I was just another undesirable guy with a job fixing wheelchairs

I'm going to have to agree with everyone else. She is very cute. Okay, now we need you to spill the beans. I'm sure many of us are curious how you met. Did you meet her through a filipina dating site or did you first meet her while living or visiting the Philippines?

[Winston]

I met up with billy last night. Hes still doing great and looking healthy, positive and active. Hes one of the very few expats in angeles that looks fit and athletic and high energy. He goes dancing every night at a disco club and is in his element there. He gave me a 3 hour pep talk last night about being happy and how to maintain it. It was very interesting.

Billy said that you have to have a routine that includes some positive activities on a daily basis, such as singing, dancing, exercise, etc. So happiness requires maintenance. It doesn't come automatically. But after a while, the maintenance of these happy activities becomes fun, not like a chore anymore.

He says that always thinking about conspiracy theories and anti american rants are very toxic and gonna lower my energy to weak level so that i cannot be productive in life nor be fit and healthy and happy. He made sense. I should have recorded his long lecture on it all. It was a great discussion.

He says thinking about negative things becomes a habit and inner drama that loops in your subconscious mind constantly all day and night. He says that i need to do happy things like sing and dance and have a routine where i balance positive activities with a little negative activities too. Not just focus on negative things like fear and paranoia from conspiracy theories, which you cant change or control anyway. He says most forum members are hopelessly lost into negativity to the point of no return and that the forum has become a toxic place.

Btw billy introduced me to an italian guy last night who is an intellectual and can have freethinking conversations.

Billy also said that a guy who seeks true happiness should avoid women and take them in small doses only, because women are essentially witches. They are always going to bring eventual misery and suffering to you, and drain all your resources so that you cant spend them on yourself. He said that even happy romantic relationships dont last and are an illusion. And that long term relationships become either hell and imprisonment, or at best evolve into comfortable companionship type of relationships devoid of passion.