Niceness being seen as 'creepy'?

[mattyman]

First of all to avoid confusion, let me clear-up what I believe to be genuine, valid points of so-called 'nice guy syndrome' that do hinder people;
[*]Going out of your way to please
[*]Being overly giving
[*]Being passive; e.g. not being open about your interest
[*]Playing things 'safe'
[*]Always agreeing with everything
[*]Never expressing your own opinions
[*]Letting people take advantage of you
These are behaviours all based-on fear, trying too hard to make someone like you which can sabotage. Some of those behaviours might have the unwanted outcome of giving some people the wrong impression; that you're trying to hide something, that your niceness isn't genuine, especially the first item on the list. Fair enough, no problem. What I don't like is the use of the word 'niceness' to describe these behaviours and the misleading messages that there are out there.

Now, what I have an issue with are those people who think normal, everyday friendliness is creepy, or a sign of flirting. There are those people who are too quick to read-into niceness as wanting something, having an agenda. What evidence do they likely have to justify their opinion?

As for people who are too quick to interpret normal friendliness as having an agenda, it's their problem, not yours. It takes two to tango. In my opinion, that looks like a rather cynical, closed-minded mentality to have (not to mention a pretty big turn-off).

You know those women that carry a scowl and a 'don't look at me creep' vibe; those are the ones that harbour this mentality.

On another note, there are those people who are too quick to see friendliness as a sign that one might be 'boring', again, it's their problem, something you shouldn't take responsibility for.

One of the unwanted effects of this, and the widespread 'men are creeps' mentality (plus scowling resting bitch faces) is that there's a growing percentage of men who who don't approach women, nor pursue women they're interested in, purely due to being paralysed with the fear of being seen as 'too nice' or 'creepy'. On the other hand, many women are complaining that the nice men don't approach them. We have a vicious circle.

Also on the note of 'coming across as creepy', it's commonplace now for guys to be paralysed with the fear of being seen as 'needy' if they call or text a girl they're attracted to, to the point that they lose her to someone else. That's not right. It's not right that people should buy-into all these anal little rules of how, when and how often to text someone, not if it paralysis people with fear and leads to over-analysing.

It's becoming commonplace for men to be paralysed with the fear of being seen as 'too nice' or 'creepy' not don't approach women, or not pursue women they're interested in. On the other hand, women are complaining that the nice men don't approach them. We have a vicious circle.

The sad truth is that the guys who are genuinely good are the ones that are most likely to be paralysed by the fears of being seen as creepy. The guys who are less caring tend to be more fearless on the whole and tend to do more of the approaching and pursueing of their love interests. Sadly, many women's experiences of being approached by men tend to be the ones that are insensitive and selfish. This tends to bias their view of men in general (not helped by the media portrayal).

In most other countries, men in general are not paralysed by this bullshit of 'creeping someone out' if they pursue them. There doesn't exist this dichotomy of good guys on the whole being too passive, only only bad, uncaring guys who do the approaching and pursuing. Also, there isn't this crazy, mysandric mentality of being friendly to a woman=creepy.

[traveller]

One of the unwanted effects of this, and the widespread 'men are creeps' mentality (plus scowling resting bitch faces) is that there's a growing percentage of men who who don't approach women, nor pursue women they're interested in, purely due to being paralysed with the fear of being seen as 'too nice' or 'creepy'. On the other hand, many women are complaining that the nice men don't approach them. We have a vicious circle.

Maybe the women ought to start approaching the nice guys!

[Jonny Law]

In the US of Gay these behaviors are needed in order to keep a job (meaning: not offend to cunts you work with).
[*]Going out of your way to please
[*]Being overly giving
[*]Being passive; e.g. not being open about your interest
[*]Playing things 'safe'
[*]Always agreeing with everything
[*]Never expressing your own opinions
[*]Letting people take advantage of you
These are behaviours all based-on fear, trying too hard to make someone like you which can sabotage[/i].

I would say it is not based on fear. It is based on wisdom and intelligence. If you get fired that can make it difficult to find another job in your field.
If you don't act like this around women they will eventually resent you. Women grow tired of assholes then quickly move to a different asshole.

From what I see. Women want a man who they are attracted to being nice to them. A woman will become attracted to you if you are an asshole and lose attraction when you are nice.
-TRANSLATION-
If Matthew Mcconaughey is nice to girl that is AWESOME!
If you are nice to a girl that is CREEPY!

[jamesbond]

Maybe the women ought to start approaching the nice guys!

This will never happen in America. It does happen however in places like the Philippines.

[Adama]

I don't think I was afraid of being called creepy, needy or nice as far as approaching a woman. I think I just didnt approach because I was afraid of getting shot down, and even when I got the number, most of the women who gave them weren't interested. Wrong scene. So it was rejection that was the concern.

I approach random women now though, and it seems that most women are very nice and gentle when it comes to turning down a man. I hit on this girl from Costa Rica a couple of days ago. She was really pretty, probably around an 8, with a really nice attitude. She has a boyfriend though.

Women who are rude are just showing that they lack class. They can make a scene and try to embarrass you if they want to, but that just shows that they have no shame. Any woman who is decent knows she must be gentle when rejecting a man. A reprobate witch (female sociopath) who lacks empathy will just say what she wants, when she wants, to whoever she wants, while making sure it is as nasty as possible, knowing no one will dare open their mouths to correct her. That's why you avoid the women who don't look and act like civilized beings. Nothing abnormal or weird about her (normal hair length and color, normal clothing, no visible abnormal piercings or tattoos), no mean looking facial expressions.

[traveller]

Maybe the women ought to start approaching the nice guys!

This will never happen in America. It does happen however in places like the Philippines.

It's really scary and sad being informed that the lack of nice women isn't confined to Illinois anymore. Like literally, the social desert is nationwide, that America even has even a powerful dark side aura that corrupts foreign women and forcefully turns them to the dark side.

And it is scary how, especially in Illinois, it's almost like not only are nice guys seen as creepy, but in fact, in Chicagoland, it's almost like cop killers with AK-47s are seen as the perfect guys and as huge turn ons, as if watching the guy gunning down and murdering innocent people, car jacking someone at gun point, dealing illegal drugs, gunning down SWAT teams and getting the entire FBI on their tails, and what not, are the biggest sexual turn ons to an Illinois or American woman.

It's weird, too, but I have encountered a few rude people in Florida, and several times came close to looking them in the face and saying; "Either be nice to others, or go back to Chicago!"

[AW Warning]

Maybe the women ought to start approaching the nice guys!

This will never happen in America. It does happen however in places like the Philippines.

It's really scary and sad being informed that the lack of nice women isn't confined to Illinois anymore. Like literally, the social desert is nationwide, that America even has even a powerful dark side aura that corrupts foreign women and forcefully turns them to the dark side.

And it is scary how, especially in Illinois, it's almost like not only are nice guys seen as creepy, but in fact, in Chicagoland, it's almost like cop killers with AK-47s are seen as the perfect guys and as huge turn ons, as if watching the guy gunning down and murdering innocent people, car jacking someone at gun point, dealing illegal drugs, gunning down SWAT teams and getting the entire FBI on their tails, and what not, are the biggest sexual turn ons to an Illinois or American woman.

It's weird, too, but I have encountered a few rude people in Florida, and several times came close to looking them in the face and saying; "Either be nice to others, or go back to Chicago!"

The truth hurts, doesn't it Traveller?

America is Satan's dungeon. Americans very literally live like demons; and in fact, the American school and college aged youngsters of the 2010s is even the devil's mob! And American culture, all the way down to it's very molecular level, is absolutely pulsing heavily with evil hatred! In America, socializing, mingling, having fun with others, it absolutely does not fly at all. No more than a jet plane can fly into and through a thick volcanic ash cloud without crashing or at the least making an emergency landing and having it's engines replaced. A foreign woman coming to America is exactly like that jet plane that flies through even the densest, darkest, and thickest volcanic ash cloud; yes, even one fresh out of the volcano's main central vent.

Also, it's nationwide man! You think it's bad in Illinois, women are the same nationwide. And not only that, but American culture will use brute force and blunt authoritarianism to corrupt foreign women and turn them evil, even going so far as making interacting with new people look like a capital felony under Federal law, even punishable by 100 years to life in Federal prison and/or the death penalty, to americanize foreign women! And guess what? If the wrong person wins a Presidential election, it may well become Federal law, and niceness will become seen as illegal and punishable by prison.

[w.p.o.]

niceness seen as creepy, yet thugishness (if there is such a word) is considered acceptable. The thing is they want both but at the same time REJECT both. Liberalism is a mental disorder (so is feminism).

[Jonny Law]

niceness seen as creepy, yet thugishness (if there is such a word) is considered acceptable. The thing is they want both but at the same time REJECT both. Liberalism is a mental disorder (so is feminism).

YES SIR!
All Chicks want both for you to be a Thug Criminal and a Nice Guy. Chicks all want the same Gay, Bi-Polar, Insane, Faggot who does not exist.

[Adama]

niceness seen as creepy, yet thugishness (if there is such a word) is considered acceptable. The thing is they want both but at the same time REJECT both. Liberalism is a mental disorder (so is feminism).

No, I think they just want a man they can look up to who is in control. Many niceguys are actually giving authority to women, putting them in the man's position, which probably doesn't feel right to most women.

I have also noticed from my experiences with one woman, that when I was tough on her (not really tough, but I was assertive and overruling her on a simple matter), she stayed with me. When I sobbed and showed my weakness to her, she immediately dumped me. That told me all I need to know about women. It is better that the man is in charge and calls the shots, because a woman can respect that. Defer your authority or show inappropriate sensitivity and she'll no longer respect you as a man.

The thing is society tells men they need to have a sensitive side and that women should be of equal authority. Even the women who believe they should have equal authority often defer to their man. In other words, in words they want equality, but in deeds they want the man to be in control.

Now the difference between a real woman (feminine and submissive) vs a beast (feminists, dogs, and swine) is that a beast will fight you verbally, attempt to boss you around as the man, and refuse to submit. They are also stubborn and often loud talking. A real woman will just submit without argument.

[Jonny Law]

1. If you are Nice you are hated by women
2. If you are a Mean Asshole you are hated by women

IGNORE THEM!
IGNORE THEM!
DO NOT EVEN TALK TO THEM!

They are all Nasty American Cunts from Hell

[traveller]

1. If you are Nice you are hated by women
2. If you are a Mean Asshole you are hated by women

IGNORE THEM!
IGNORE THEM!
DO NOT EVEN TALK TO THEM!

They are all Nasty American c**ts from Hell

So in other words, every single male person may as well just flee from America until America's entire population is 100 percent solid female only.

[Eric]

Niceness being seen as 'creepy' ...even just to look at a woman and talk naturally (being creepy) is nothing more than a feminist attack on men...and on relationships themselves.


That's the truth. Kinda makes you really mad, doesn't it?
Well, I gave into this bullcrap a long time ago, didn't question it. I just caved.
I assumed it was f***ed up but assumed that's just how it was here.



What a crock of shit.
Life robbed


I say fight back and, do it anyway, be damned if others make fun or ridicule you. ...What do they know. Nothing. It's the blind leading the blind. Be a leader.

You must remember that it's not the girls and women doing this, this is not their fault - it is our social conditioning. Sometimes - they do it but they are unwilling participants...the ones that do they don't know any better.
Know this, and it's a subtle key to getting around it, not being afraid anymore. Just go right for the jugular, do it ...and stand up to the riducule that comes - let it bounce off you like rain...which it will.
know that you are fighting mass of social conditioning - that the people are stuck it in too.

[Jonny Law]

1. If you are Nice you are hated by women
2. If you are a Mean Asshole you are hated by women

IGNORE THEM!
IGNORE THEM!
DO NOT EVEN TALK TO THEM!

They are all Nasty American c**ts from Hell

So in other words, every single male person may as well just flee from America until America's entire population is 100 percent solid female only.

YES!

HELL YES!!

Men should leave America. That is what I am doing. I am just got hired at a job in SE Asia, I start in May.

I realize there are Americans who are Way Too Stupid and Poor.
Those who are too stupid and too poor.

-MY ADVICE-
If you are too poor and too stupid to leave America do not give up.

Example:
If you can walk cross the border into Mexico. And you can be a poor pathetic bastard there just as you are here.

[pete98146]

It's not creepy as long as you don't allow American women to be the judge!