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I wrote the below as a reply to a generic query about dating with Filipinas or in the Philippines. Then I realised that it quite concisely summarises what I found out in my last 18 months here.

Read at your own risk because, as especially Americans know, the truth is a bitter pill that nobody really knows exactly what disease is curing, and you're left with a bunch of unpleasant side effects.

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In short: if you are 40 or older, do not come to the Philippines to look for a young wife, unless you are prepared to:

1) ditch all dating websites (nowadays they're only good for pump & dump quality women) and embark in your own very "journey of discovery";
2) spend weeks to months here, roaming third and fourth-class cities and remote townships in Visayas or Mindanao, often long hours drive apart, on bumpy minivan or bus rides;
3) accept a girl with little or no education, no knowledge of the world or a relationship with a man, and an entire family that will - sooner or later - depend on you for constant support;
4) accept a girl whose features are much less desirable to Filipinos than they are for you - morenas (dark skinned) might look healthy, slender and sexy to us foreigners, but they're second or third choice for the locals, and that is exactly why they are so happy to leave them to us.

Remember: in the Land of the Morning, if a girl looks too good to be true, she certainly is. 99% of the cases, the reasons why she is looking for foreigners are either or both of these two:

1) because she can't find what she needs in the local pool of men, or because the men she could get given her looks/status would be rock bottom: lazy, unreliable, unfaithful, violent, etc.;
2) because she (and her family) knows she will never be able to support herself and her family unless she finds a foreigner to latch on to; love or lust have nothing to do with it: it is a necessity pure and simple.

In short: if you are OK with it, good, else you need to suck it up.

Unless we are celebrities, or Fil-[something] mestizos back in town, or young unmarried and flawless looking boys, we Caucasian foreigners are always second and third choices for Filipinas. And conversely: the Filipinas we can find are always second and third choice ladies. From what I have seen, the only exceptions seem to be young Koreans, because of the great resonance of their pop culture with young Filipinos. Even Japanese young men, who could find good girls once upon a time, now have to resort to marry the occasional Pinay strip club dancer on a short visa in Japan.

Again, sorry for being such a killjoy (which is part of the reason why I stopped posting here - whatever I have to say will go against the going fairy tale narrative), but this is today's reality in the Philippines.

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Welcome back (at least for one post), Publicduende!

Yeah, I'll agree with you on the woman in the Philippines. On the other hand, I would definitely like to retire in that country one day. I don't know...something about the country agrees with me, whether it's the English speaking population, warm weather, the beaches or the fun, laid back atmosphere of the country that draws me in.

Filipina's are nuts and a bit overrated, but that doesn't take away my fondness for the country.
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The Philippines does seem to have gone downhill since I first visited in 2006. I was 38 at the time, but had no trouble scoring dates with smoking hot young women in their early 20's. They were horny as hell for me, and no, they didn't ask me for money. When I visited again in 2012, dating had become much harder. I got the cold shoulder a lot more than I used to.
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Hero wrote:The Philippines does seem to have gone downhill since I first visited in 2006. I was 38 at the time, but had no trouble scoring dates with smoking hot young women in their early 20's. They were horny as hell for me, and no, they didn't ask me for money. When I visited again in 2012, dating had become much harder. I got the cold shoulder a lot more than I used to.
Don't get me wrong. Occasional sex with young women in their 20's is still very much possible and abundant now in 2016 as it was in 2006, or 2012. Whether these young women register as "cute" or "smoking hot", it's a matter of personal taste. Some of the native looking ones ("Lumad", in the Davao area) have incredible bodies including bubble butts and juicy bust. They are naturally horny and a pleasure to bed, if you overlook the fact that their faces seem to come straight from Avatar (the Movie). However all parts know and agree that they are not LTR material and, especially if you live in the Philippines, they would make for constant giggling by the locals, as they themselves wouldn't even accept them as their muchachas (maids).

My angle here was finding a quality woman, a long term partner, going fiancee/wife.
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Yup, going to the Phils for a few months to look for a woman is definitely the best option. However I wouldn't totally disregard dating sites although relying them on solely is not a particularly good idea at all. If you're looking for a genuine, good looking, prospective life partner, it's still possible I believe for the dating sites to uncover a gem. Needle? Haystack? Not quite, but it'll be no easy task in finding her especially in the current climate.
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The best girls that I dated there didn't come from the internet. I just met them in the mall. One of them was the spitting image of J. Lo. I don't care if the locals considered her ugly.
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Zambales wrote:Yup, going to the Phils for a few months to look for a woman is definitely the best option. However I wouldn't totally disregard dating sites although relying them on solely is not a particularly good idea at all. If you're looking for a genuine, good looking, prospective life partner, it's still possible I believe for the dating sites to uncover a gem. Needle? Haystack? Not quite, but it'll be no easy task in finding her especially in the current climate.
Everything is possible, even to find a good partner in the UK or Canada, or the US. All I say is, the odds are definitely not as plentiful as you guys imagine. If you spend some time in a city on the less beaten track, the chances are higher. One could disregard Manila, Cebu and Davao and head straight to places like Iloilo, Bacolod, Dumaguete, Tagbilaran, Ozamiz, maybe Cagayan de Oro, Butuan, etc. But even in those cities, all 20 years olds are equipped with smartphones and social networks and have high expectations. And the best ones will have skipped town to go work or study in Manila, Cebu or Davao anyway.

I know Davewe, Outwest and Pete98146 are the rare success stories, and all three of them - to the best of my knowledge - found their gems:

1) off the beaten track, outside the main cities;
2) several years ago, when dating sites still had a tiny amount of good girls registering there.

Apart from them, how many of you actually found great life partners?
Hero wrote:The best girls that I dated there didn't come from the internet. I just met them in the mall. One of them was the spitting image of J. Lo. I don't care if the locals considered her ugly.
That's because you probably spent just a few days in the Philippines. Start living here and you'll notice the stares and comments, the way you get treated in restaurants and establishments.

This is, maybe, why some people still like the Philippines. They think of it as a retiree paradise when one can just rent a cabana by the beach, bag an illiterate dark skinned girl and spend time having ex with her, blogging and say hallo to the smiling faces of the few people they meet at the shops and malls.

This is not the full social experience, this is the retiree bubble. It can become incredibly boring after a while.
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zboy1 wrote:Welcome back (at least for one post), Publicduende!

Yeah, I'll agree with you on the woman in the Philippines. On the other hand, I would definitely like to retire in that country one day. I don't know...something about the country agrees with me, whether it's the English speaking population, warm weather, the beaches or the fun, laid back atmosphere of the country that draws me in.

Filipina's are nuts and a bit overrated, but that doesn't take away my fondness for the country.
Thanks Zboy. I wish I had done it on a more upbeat tone.

Again, the Philippines are enticing as a retiree bubble. Live by the beach or in a quiet town, go about the simple routine of life, bang your semi-literate morena who won't go to school and won't have a job, so she has all the time for you and to keep the house spic & span. I have seen a lot of this and sometimes I even envy these placid 60+ men who gave everything to life and probably deserve that kind of serenity.
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publicduende wrote:Some of the native looking ones ("Lumad", in the Davao area) have incredible bodies including bubble butts and juicy bust. They are naturally horny and a pleasure to bed, if you overlook the fact that their faces seem to come straight from Avatar (the Movie). However all parts know and agree that they are not LTR material and, especially if you live in the Philippines, they would make for constant giggling by the locals, as they themselves wouldn't even accept them as their muchachas (maids).
So what is the catch exactly? Why is it necessary to care what the giggling locals think?

Also, suppose you only wanted to be there for a few years. Is there a non-mean way of doing this and still having a wife there?
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Cornfed wrote:So what is the catch exactly? Why is it necessary to care what the giggling locals think?

Also, suppose you only wanted to be there for a few years. Is there a non-mean way of doing this and still having a wife there?
The catch is...the giggling locals know what you don't know (yet) but will soon enough find out.

I know it sounds overly racist, but the reason why Filipinos don't like dark skinned girls is that the crippling inequality rift crosses Filipino society on skin tone and looks, or mestizo vs Malay/Austronesian DNA. I did not want to believe it when I first came to live here, but after more than a year here even I can immediately tell the brain size and socio-economic status of a girl from how she looks like, how she talks and, to a lesser extent, how she dresses and moves.

I haven't become racist, not at all. I have become aware of the same human categories as the Filipinos. And it works indeed. The curse of this is that once you gain this "appreciation", you start realising the truth...the Red Pill as in the OP. That 95% of the girls you can "attract" or "are attracted" to you are of the less desirable type. It's enough to immediately feel an outcast, a second-class citizen. I have found very, very few exception to these simple physiognomic rules.
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Publicduende,

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/dcexperien ... fined.html

Could you give a summary of what kinds of foreigners would end up with which types of filipinas (from the link).

Also, what occupations would the different classes have? Where would they live?

And how dark is considered too dark?

Salamat po.
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Thanks for the report, duende, very interesting.
publicduende wrote:seem to come straight from Avatar
Lol yeah that's one of the reasons i'm not pushing a lot to go there, sounds like fun but i'm just not that attracted to them.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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publicduende wrote:
Zambales wrote:Yup, going to the Phils for a few months to look for a woman is definitely the best option. However I wouldn't totally disregard dating sites although relying them on solely is not a particularly good idea at all. If you're looking for a genuine, good looking, prospective life partner, it's still possible I believe for the dating sites to uncover a gem. Needle? Haystack? Not quite, but it'll be no easy task in finding her especially in the current climate.
Everything is possible, even to find a good partner in the UK or Canada, or the US.
Now you're exaggerating! :mrgreen: :wink:

I've actually been speaking to a Pinay for the last four months who is from your neck of the woods. I met her on a dating site, and she seems a nice enough girl. Still early days so it's hard to say at the moment whether she is genuine or not.
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I always had the assumption that the Philippines is a paradise for men to find a decent girl. Unless it's been over mongered or that with modern age the women changed? I'm not talking about p4p I'm talking about finding decent girl.
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chanta76 wrote:I always had the assumption that the Philippines is a paradise for men to find a decent girl. Unless it's been over mongered or that with modern age the women changed? I'm not talking about p4p I'm talking about finding decent girl.
Apparently there is no hope anywhere. Why bother getting out of bed?
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