The Truth Behind Islam

[MrPeabody]

"Christian terrorist kills 50 in Las Vegas"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/l ... dates.html

[Adama]

"Christian terrorist kills 50 in Las Vegas"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/l ... dates.html

I did a search and found no mention of any version of the word Christian.

[Yohan]

"Christian terrorist kills 50 in Las Vegas"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/l ... dates.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/st ... y.amp.html

The Islamic State terror group took credit for the Las Vegas shooting, which left at least 50 people dead and more than 400 injured, saying the gunman converted to Islam months ago, but provided no evidence back up the claim.

[Yohan]

"Christian terrorist kills 50 in Las Vegas"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/l ... dates.html

I did a search and found no mention of any version of the word Christian.

This is correct. Nothing is mentioned about any religious activity of this crazy man.

However it will be difficult to claim that this crazy man did it with a Bible on his desk and shouting 'Jesus, my Lord' or 'I love my mother, Holy Mary'. A person who is doing something horrible like that has no right to be considered as a Christian under any circumstances.

No Christian orientated movement, from Mormons to Jehovahs, from Catholics to Orthodox, from Baptist to Presbyterian, has anything in their teachings which will justify such a mass killing.

There is no shortage of killers in the States, but I never heard of one who was killing people around him at random claiming he did it in the name of a 'Christian God' to expect 'afterlife in the paradise' as a reward. - And I say this as an atheist, who left Catholic Church 45 years ago.

I also did a seach and I found only this... in several news.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esort.html

Investigations are still ongoing and police have not yet determined a motive. He was not believed to be connected to any militant group, Lombardo said.

However, ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack, saying the gunman was a recent convert to Islam. But several U.S. officials say there is no evidence to confirm that.

[Misko_Varesanovic]

"Christian terrorist kills 50 in Las Vegas"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/l ... dates.html

I did a search and found no mention of any version of the word Christian.

This is correct. Nothing is mentioned about any religious activity of this crazy man.

However it will be difficult to claim that this crazy man did it with a Bible on his desk and shouting 'Jesus, my Lord' or 'I love my mother, Holy Mary'. A person who is doing something horrible like that has no right to be considered as a Christian under any circumstances.

No Christian orientated movement, from Mormons to Jehovahs, from Catholics to Orthodox, from Baptist to Presbyterian, has anything in their teachings which will justify such a mass killing.

There is no shortage of killers in the States, but I never heard of one who was killing people around him at random claiming he did it in the name of a 'Christian God' to expect 'afterlife in the paradise' as a reward. - And I say this as an atheist, who left Catholic Church 45 years ago.

I also did a seach and I found only this... in several news.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esort.html

Investigations are still ongoing and police have not yet determined a motive. He was not believed to be connected to any militant group, Lombardo said.

However, ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack, saying the gunman was a recent convert to Islam. But several U.S. officials say there is no evidence to confirm that.

Tell this guy, because he never got the memo - at the cost of over 1,000,000 dead:

'George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.

'Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

'One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

[Misko_Varesanovic]

Actually, the reverse is true. Saudi Arabia is one of only two countries in the world which has as the state religion. Wahabbis don't even recognise three of the four schools of Sunni law/ethics/philosophy, let alone the Shiite schools. It is therefore literally impossible for their rulings to to be regarded as valid for anyone apart from them and maybe Qatar - and we all know how that turned out.

The Holy Place for ALL Muslims is located in Saudi Arabia, the origin of Islam is clearly from that region and no Muslim I ever met, is questioning this.
It is clear that Wahhabism is the guardian of pure Islamic teaching.
You could say the same about the Vatican and the Catholic Church.

Re: the idea that Indians and Turks somehow do not consume their own cultural products, that is just, like, wow!

India is not a Muslim country, hardly to claim that anything related to Islam is 'India's own cultural product'.

About Turks, a huge number of them are living outside of Turkey, often doing business with their native country, where costs of labor are considerably cheaper compared to the West and of course a large part of their own local products are for export and why not? It's not only about 'cultural products' like videos or music etc. I see nothing wrong with it.

As for the perception of Islam as a sort of man's paradise, this was the consensus perception of Western orientalist scholars. What you or I may think is irrelevant - this was the consensus.

Only a feminist without any knowledge of the real situation in Islamic countries can claim such a nonsense.

If you really think, Islam is the paradise for men, then I wonder why so many Muslim men want to leave those countries.
Of course it's about economic reasons, better a good life as Muslim man among infidels than a poor life as Muslim man among Muslims I guess.

India doesn't have a Muslim majority, but large parts of it were ruled by Muslim dynasties for the best part of 1,000 years. According to some estimates, it actually has the world's largest Muslim population, too.

Heard of the Taj Mahal, the symbol of India? It's a Muslim mausoleum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal

Re: Wahhabism, it's a million miles from being the guardian of 'pure' Islamic teaching, not least because it didn't even exist until the late 18th century and does not recognise almost every school of Islamic law/ethics/jurisprudence. This is why Sunni and Shiite scholars alike use terms like 'Satanic' to describe Wahhabism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

[Contrarian Expatriate]

No Christian orientated movement, from Mormons to Jehovahs, from Catholics to Orthodox, from Baptist to Presbyterian, has anything in their teachings which will justify such a mass killing.

In general you are correct, but one exception to that Yohan would be the Christian Identity Movement which is full of violent, doomsday types who are bloodthirsty and desirous of massacre.

Christian Identity supporters believe in the Second Coming and Armageddon. Predictions vary, including a race war or a Jewish-backed United Nations takeover of the US, and they endorse physical struggle against what they see as the forces of evil.[56]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

[MrPeabody]

No Christian orientated movement, from Mormons to Jehovahs, from Catholics to Orthodox, from Baptist to Presbyterian, has anything in their teachings which will justify such a mass killing.

This is really myopic vision. Christian countries kill in mass all the time. They kill with organized armies. Over 1 million children died in the boycott of Iraq. And then you have the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Good grief. Trump threatened to nuke North Korea.

[gsjackson]

No Christian orientated movement, from Mormons to Jehovahs, from Catholics to Orthodox, from Baptist to Presbyterian, has anything in their teachings which will justify such a mass killing.

This is really myopic vision. Christian countries kill in mass all the time. They kill with organized armies. Over 1 million children died in the boycott of Iraq. And then you have the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Good grief. Trump threatened to nuke North Korea.

Oh, come on. I thought you'd go with the Crusades, but you pick actions spurred entirely by Talmudic Jews who despise Christianity. I defy you to demonstrate any Christian connection to or influence on those invasions whatsoever, other than the nutjob Christian Zionists like John Hagee who ought to just go ahead and call themselves Jews.

And Yohan's point was entirely about religious doctrine that encourages war. You'll find none of that in the New Testament you disparage.

[Misko_Varesanovic]

No Christian orientated movement, from Mormons to Jehovahs, from Catholics to Orthodox, from Baptist to Presbyterian, has anything in their teachings which will justify such a mass killing.

This is really myopic vision. Christian countries kill in mass all the time. They kill with organized armies. Over 1 million children died in the boycott of Iraq. And then you have the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Good grief. Trump threatened to nuke North Korea.

Oh, come on. I thought you'd go with the Crusades, but you pick actions spurred entirely by Talmudic Jews who despise Christianity. I defy you to demonstrate any Christian connection to or influence on those invasions whatsoever, other than the nutjob Christian Zionists like John Hagee who ought to just go ahead and call themselves Jews.

And Yohan's point was entirely about religious doctrine that encourages war. You'll find none of that in the New Testament you disparage.

Yes, but what about the Old Testament? It contains passages which advocate incredible levels of violence.

And the Old Testament is an indispensable part of Christianity, according to no less an authority than Jesus Christ (John 10:35):

http://www.cuf.org/2008/11/the-old-test ... rid-of-it/

[Yohan]

This is really myopic vision. Christian countries kill in mass all the time. They kill with organized armies. Over 1 million children died in the boycott of Iraq. And then you have the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Good grief. Trump threatened to nuke North Korea.

You might ask former president Obama and his ilk, why they did nothing during 8 years in full power in USA to resolve such conflicts.
He promised to close down Guantanamo Bay detention camp and got even the Nobel peace prize for his talks, however when he had to leave office, what did he really achieve?

About Iraq - it was Iraq which started the conflict by invading Kuwait. This is nowhere disputed.

Unfortunately for Saddam Hussein, Kuwait government was able to escape to exile and Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries were willing to pay USA huge money for removing the Iraq occupation from Kuwait.

It is true that Christian countries show up with much better organization than Muslims and its not only about military actions.

They kill with organized armies

I would correct this sentence and say 'They respond with organized armies when being provoked'.

You mentioned North Korea - so far I do not know about a single missile flying over Japan fired from USA to direction of North Korea. However there are frequently missiles from North Korea flying over Japan direction to Guam and elsewhere.

What do you expect USA to do? To look away, doing nothing? USA is paid by Japan and South Korea for protection. Japan pays about 80 percent for all expenses of US troops within Japanese territory. South Korea - not even considering south/North border protection by the UN, pays about 45 percent for all expenses of US troops in South Korea.

[xtravel]

Turks - who are by far the largest Muslim-majority nationality within the EU - have experienced net migration back to Turkey since c.2010, similar to Mexicans in the US. They don't all want to come here - that's a total myth. Why would you want to leave a country which averaged 6.7% growth/year between 2010 and 2016 to come to a bloc where you face discrimination in a stagnant jobs market?

Turkey is not part of the EU. The process for accession stopped due to Erdogan being a Muslim prick.

[xtravel]

dup

[xtravel]

Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world.

"Indonesia does not have a law against apostasy, and the constitution provides for freedom of religion, accords "all persons shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice"."

Horseshit.

Here is the complete excerpt:

Indonesia does not have a law against apostasy, and the constitution provides for freedom of religion, accords "all persons shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice".[185] But Indonesia has as a broad blasphemy law that protects all six official religions (Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Confucianism) (Article 156) and a Presidential Decree (1965) that permits prosecution of people who commit blasphemy.[186] The Decree prohibits every Indonesian from “intentionally conveying, endorsing or attempting to gain public support in the interpretation of a certain religion; or undertaking religious based activities that resemble the religious activities of the religion in question, where such interpretation and activities are in deviation of the basic teachings of the religion.”[187] These laws have been used to arrest and convict atheist apostates in Indonesia, such as the case of 30-year old Alexander Aan who declared himself to be an atheist, declared “God does not exist”, and stopped praying and fasting as required by Islam. He received death threats from Islamic groups and in 2012 was arrested and sentenced to two and a half years in prison.[188][189]

But you knew that.

[Yohan]

They kill with organized armies

I really like this sentence from MrPeabody.

As he observed correctly, it is about organization.

Yes, of course, killed with organized armies - what else do you expect as response, for example with Somali Muslim pirates?

These Islamic gangsters were attacking ships passing by from or to the Red Sea, kidnapping the crew and demanding ransom.

This was going on for a while, but finally such merchant ships got armed protection by private security and were guarded by warships - not only by 'Christian' warships, but also by Chinese and Russian warships.

Or as another example see the Southern Philippines - Armed Muslim militants were entering and occupying a small Muslim city - Marawi -, only 30 km away from the large Christian city of Iligan and were starting to kill ordinary non-Muslims, kidnapping Catholic priests, putting anything which is not Islamic on fire like churches and libraries....

So tell me, what shall the Philippine government do about it - to look away? The only solution was to send the army and to fight it out...What else do you expect? The result, many of these Muslim militants (about 750 people) are now dead, and so what?

https://www.update.ph/2017/10/look-sold ... dral/21182