Why so many Anglos turn to homosexuality (1 in 6 Zoomers is queer)

[WanderingProtagonist]

The word "homophobe" is bullshit, a word the government made up. Hell even the pedophile ones use that word now. Same thing with transphobe. Nobody fears these people, they're just sick and tired of them. Especially since they act like they are so damn important that everyone must be tolerant of who they are while they get to freely be intolerant of others themselves. I don't see heterosexual people running around demanding the world to be tolerant of them. I honestly have no interest in giving everyone "human rights" just because they managed to con the world into believing they should be given rights based on whatever the f**k it is they want to identify as. Men like transsexuals because they like dick, plain and simple. There is a reason why the ones that still have male genitalia are sought after more than the ones that had their dicks removed. It's because men that desire the ones with dicks are straight up fags.

I don't think that concepts such as homophobia and transphobia are completely bullshit. If somebody who hates gays or trannies purposely goes out to physically or verbally attack some of them or needlessly provokes them in a public place then that could be legitimately considered homophobic or transphobic since the sole reason for their attack or provocation is because the victim is either gay or trans. These kinds of situations do really happen too since we live in a society populated by volatile political fanatics of all kinds. Obviously in a country which is supposed to be governed by the rule of law there must be legal protection for gays and trans people too.

I do agree however that nowadays terms such as "homophobia" and "transphobia" have been completely abused and even weaponized against heterosexuals of a more traditional bent. The LGBT "activists" are given an inch and then ask for a mile and are never satisfied with the rights that they are given. That's because they program which the push is an agenda designed for the subversion of society.

Are you sure that all men who like transsexuals like them just because they have dicks? Don't you think that some transphilic guys could have other motives?

There are undoubtedly some guys who are into pre-op transsexuals because they want to suck cock and be f***ed themselves. Indeed the GAMP (gynandromorphophile) study which looked into shemale attraction found that about half of the men who were attracted primarily to shemales were autogynephilic and wished to become trannies themselves and therefore sought to be penetrated by shemales in order to live out their feminization fantasies.

But there are also other guys who simply find Tgirls more attractive and more relatable than women. They become conditioned by shemale porn and end up being desensitized to the idea of a chick with a dick and even come to see it as normal. Then there are the macho guys who get off on the idea of dominating and humiliating a feminized lesser man as I mentioned in my previous post. Those guys are not necessarily into shemale dicks but rather the feeling of power and alpha male domination. Finally there is a minority of trans-oriented men who are primarily attracted to post-op Tgurls. Those guys find them more attractive than women but can't tolerate dicks at all. So a post-op Tgurl becomes their logical object of attraction. Some post-op admirers might even have fantasies about feminizing another dude, especially one who is an effeminate gayboy. Unless you actually look at the sexological literature on things like paraphilias you have no idea of the extent of what kinds of outlandish things some people get off to!

Just out of curiosity, @WanderingProtagonist, what kind of Tgurls were you attracted to or considered dating? Were they pre-ops or post-ops?

I don't think that it's as simple as saying trans-oriented guys just like dick because they are fags.

I'm also not going to sit here and believe that all these trans people in the world were born a certain way and can't help it. Most men want to be women because they fear being men, they don't have what it takes to be men and want special privileges like women, the same privileges they see women with where they can just do whatever they want without responsibility and then rub it in your face if you tried to challenge them. That's why some of them will use their trans status to avoid military service because women are allowed to do the same shit. It's why your seeing a lot of these transgenders commit serious crimes nowadays because they know they won't get sent to a prison where they will be surrounded by men, instead they get sent to women prisons where they get to abuse and assault women that are helpless up against them.

Not all trans people are born that way. The available clinical data and theories (e.g., Blanchard) show that there are two major etiologies for transsexualism: 1) homosexual transsexualism (i.e., natural sexual inversion); and 2) autogynephilia (i.e., transvestic fetishism and feminization fantasies).

The HSTS are born that way and display partial feminization of the brain even prior to hormone therapy. They are the true transsexuals and include the attractive feminine ones who you find on escort websites and who often look physically indistinguishable from natal women.

The AGP types are weird fetishist guys who are primarily attracted to women but also wish to be women themselves (i.e., they want to become the object of their sexual attraction). They normally start out with crossdressing but their feminization fantasies spiral out of control and they end up taking hormones and getting surgeries. AGPs are rarely even feminine and look like caricatures of women. Many of them have that gross trainwreck androgynous SJW look and indeed the bulk of today's "transactivist" movement consists of AGP fetishists who demand that their fetish is recognized as "womanhood".

What you say about some men becoming trans in order to receive female privileges is true. There is even an incel movement on the internet called "transmaxxing". Transmaxxers are a subset of AGP men who seek to become trans because they deem that their situation as bottom-tier men is hopeless and believe that they would enjoy a much better life if they followed their AGP fantasies and became "women". Most of them become "trans-lesbians" and date women or other trans-lesbians while the more bisexual ones even date guys too. Transmaxxers have a subreddit where they talk about incel topics and their own sissy fantasies and exchange information on how to obtain hormones and begin transition. Some of them actually go through with it and post pictures of their post-transition selves and write testimonies of how their lives got better once they eschewed their manhood and accepted a life of transgenderism.

I'd estimate that in the current US the split between HSTS (true Tgurls) and AGP fetishists is about 30/70. The aggressive LGBT movement is encouraging more of the fetishist types to come out of the closet and pursue actual transition.

Gay and transgender kids shouldn't even exist, but they do because of gays and trans people groomed them into that followed by idiot parents that want to follow popular trends. At the end of the day, a society full of homosexuals and transgender people isn't a society I want to be part of. No matter how attractive I still find some of those transgenders and even if I did ended up involved with one out of desperation I still wouldn't want them taking over society and every aspect of life like they do now. When shit hits the fan, and the tough gets going. They'll be the first to use their status to avoid being useful.

Just because a person may have come across a few "tough" homosexuals and there are stories of trans thai boxers/tranny mma fighters (who only beat up on women but would get their heads knocked off if they went up against 50 year old Mike tyson), they still wouldn't benefit society. Societies thrived because of honorable, spiritual, and strong men with strong values and principals and none of those men were Gay or transgender. All the greatest warriors throughout history were heterosexual men that raised strong heterosexual sons that carried on their legacy. That's the truth. Decaying societies like America that's controlled by glomohomo as they are called is a f***ing failure and a mess. If gays and trans people were so important they would get off their asses and fix San Fransisco instead of standing around protesting women's "rights" to murder defenseless babies and shit.

All societies around the world have a small population of true transsexuals (HSTS) who display effeminate traits from a young age and adopt a feminine gender role as soon as they are old enough to understand. I'm of the view that those people should be tolerated and allowed to integrate into society. They are harmless.

The problem in the US and Western Europe is the LGBT movement is made up primarily of all of the fanatics and mentally ill weirdos who want to push all kinds of sexual degeneracy even on children. The movement is not only a detriment to society but also to more moderate gays and transsexuals who are now on the receiving end of the rightwing backlash against the movement's perverse ideologies. There are many gays, lesbians, bisexuals and Tgurls who hate the LGBT agenda too. Some of them just want to be left alone and don't want their sexual orientation and lifestyle to be politicized by a vocal minority of fanatical fruitcakes.

At this point, I should probably be out doing something. Today I'm in that brooding type mood. Long ago I had nothing against most people but things and time itself has changed, and I changed too. The world I once knew years ago was a much better place for me on a mental level than it is now where everyone who identifies as a certain class want special treatment. With that said, this was a good discussion.

[Lucas88]

At this point, I should probably be out doing something. Today I'm in that brooding type mood. Long ago I had nothing against most people but things and time itself has changed, and I changed too. The world I once knew years ago was a much better place for me on a mental level than it is now where everyone who identifies as a certain class want special treatment. With that said, this was a good discussion.

Hey man, I know that this topic gets you riled up and that you need a timeout. I feel the anger and rage inside you. I understand that you are in a dark place.

I just wanna tell you that hatred only keeps us trapped in a negative frequency and adds to the misery of life. But when we give up all unnecessary hatred and start to embrace love, empathy and understanding for others the frequency at which we operate becomes more positive and life usually gets better. I'm speaking from personal experience. I write this with total sincerity.

When it comes to people of different social groups including minorities and social outcasts, I always try to view them as other souls/spiritual beings with their own feelings and need for love and make an effort to understand them and their condition and treat them with empathy. That can include people of different races, homosexuals, transsexuals, etc. In my experience, it's always better to view them as sentient souls and human beings first and foremost and look beyond all of the labels and prejudices. When you do this you release a lot of the hatred and negativity and suffer less as a result.

Of course, love and acceptance cannot be unconditional. It can only be given to those with a minimum of decency. I'm not suggesting for a second that we forgive the Jewish social engineers, their agenda pushers or anybody else who knowingly and malevolently promotes things that harm our society and way of life. We must take up arms and shoot those people! We must expose them and utterly obliterate them before they destroy us! Those who cripple our nations through debt, send our people to die in their criminal wars, ruin people's health through toxic foods and fraudulent medicine, and push sexual perversions onto children are truly demonic individuals. I am in favor of their total and merciless destruction.

But as for regular people who are simply caught up in this mess and suffer just like we do, I always seek to show them respect and understanding regardless of their identity, condition or sexual orientation. For me, common decency and nobility of soul are the most important things. I try to respect anybody who displays these fundamental qualities.

The hatred only causes more division on a societal level. It only exacerbates the collective misery and suffering in which we are all mired to some degree or another. This is what the social engineers intend. They want everybody to be at each others throats and hating on one another over all kinds of trivial matters. We shouldn't give them the satisfaction.

I personally advocate a philosophy of pan-Gentile solidarity in face of the Jewish subversion of our societies and nations. I am willing to accept people of any race, creed or sexual orientation as long as they are decent, possess noble traits and are sincere in their desire to fight for freedom and a better world. I'm personally tired of all of the useless quarrels among Gentiles (that's what the neo-Marxist left wants). I'd rather we all come together and form a movement of resistance born out of magnanimity.

Well, I only intended to talk about how giving up hatred and cultivating understanding and empathy helps one feel better and live a better life, but I ended up going off on the Jews and talking about my vision for Gentile resistance!

In order to cultivate empathy, it is best to disconnect from all of the low-vibrational political and mediatic distractions and concentrate on one's own spirituality, wellbeing and the more important things in life.

[WanderingProtagonist]

At this point, I should probably be out doing something. Today I'm in that brooding type mood. Long ago I had nothing against most people but things and time itself has changed, and I changed too. The world I once knew years ago was a much better place for me on a mental level than it is now where everyone who identifies as a certain class want special treatment. With that said, this was a good discussion.

Hey man, I know that this topic gets you riled up and that you need a timeout. I feel the anger and rage inside you. I understand that you are in a dark place.

I just wanna tell you that hatred only keeps us trapped in a negative frequency and adds to the misery of life. But when we give up all unnecessary hatred and start to embrace love, empathy and understanding for others the frequency at which we operate becomes more positive and life usually gets better. I'm speaking from personal experience. I write this with total sincerity.

When it comes to people of different social groups including minorities and social outcasts, I always try to view them as other souls/spiritual beings with their own feelings and need for love and make an effort to understand them and their condition and treat them with empathy. That can include people of different races, homosexuals, transsexuals, etc. In my experience, it's always better to view them as sentient souls and human beings first and foremost and look beyond all of the labels and prejudices. When you do this you release a lot of the hatred and negativity and suffer less as a result.

Of course, love and acceptance cannot be unconditional. It can only be given to those with a minimum of decency. I'm not suggesting for a second that we forgive the Jewish social engineers, their agenda pushers or anybody else who knowingly and malevolently promotes things that harm our society and way of life. We must take up arms and shoot those people! We must expose them and utterly obliterate them before they destroy us! Those who cripple our nations through debt, send our people to die in their criminal wars, ruin people's health through toxic foods and fraudulent medicine, and push sexual perversions onto children are truly demonic individuals. I am in favor of their total and merciless destruction.

But as for regular people who are simply caught up in this mess and suffer just like we do, I always seek to show them respect and understanding regardless of their identity, condition or sexual orientation. For me, common decency and nobility of soul are the most important things. I try to respect anybody who displays these fundamental qualities.

The hatred only causes more division on a societal level. It only exacerbates the collective misery and suffering in which we are all mired to some degree or another. This is what the social engineers intend. They want everybody to be at each others throats and hating on one another over all kinds of trivial matters. We shouldn't give them the satisfaction.

I personally advocate a philosophy of pan-Gentile solidarity in face of the Jewish subversion of our societies and nations. I am willing to accept people of any race, creed or sexual orientation as long as they are decent, possess noble traits and are sincere in their desire to fight for freedom and a better world. I'm personally tired of all of the useless quarrels among Gentiles (that's what the neo-Marxist left wants). I'd rather we all come together and form a movement of resistance born out of magnanimity.

Well, I only intended to talk about how giving up hatred and cultivating understanding and empathy helps one feel better and live a better life, but I ended up going off on the Jews and talking about my vision for Gentile resistance!

In order to cultivate empathy, it is best to disconnect from all of the low-vibrational political and mediatic distractions and concentrate on one's own spirituality, wellbeing and the more important things in life.

Not sure if that was on this site or rooshv site, but I think it was on here when someone said "no thanks, not interested in siding with them people, I don't care if they hate the people I hate or not. I'm not joining forces with them." That's how I feel. I'm hostile as hell toward certain people, and hey the left isn't all wrong on the divide thing either. I mean hell, I have no interest in being allies with them, antifa, or BLM even if they turned on the democrats I still wouldn't f***ing join forces with them, hell no lol.

[WilliamSmith]

I personally advocate a philosophy of pan-Gentile solidarity in face of the Jewish subversion of our societies and nations. I am willing to accept people of any race, creed or sexual orientation as long as they are decent, possess noble traits and are sincere in their desire to fight for freedom and a better world. I'm personally tired of all of the useless quarrels among Gentiles (that's what the neo-Marxist left wants). I'd rather we all come together and form a movement of resistance born out of magnanimity.

Well, I only intended to talk about how giving up hatred and cultivating understanding and empathy helps one feel better and live a better life, but I ended up going off on the Jews and talking about my vision for Gentile resistance!

@Lucas88 I'm shocked and mortally offended!!!!!!!

In order to cultivate empathy, it is best to disconnect from all of the low-vibrational political and mediatic distractions and concentrate on one's own spirituality, wellbeing and the more important things in life.

Yeah, we have to fight back unlike a lot of our predecessors and contemporaries who did not have the courage to do a damn thing, but there's wisdom in this periodic disconnection from low and bad vibes when you need a recovery period, to be sure: I know about that because of Chi Gong practice among other things, but when we end up crossing the line a little too much, gotta grab a breather sometimes before getting back into the ring to fight for the things that are important to us so we don't become miserable failures like the past few generations who barely did anything to fight back:
Like I was laughing at myself about earlier, I ended up exploding on my own unhinged "beyond Mel Gibson-esque" level tirade in the 1950s thread and denouncing not only the warmongering jews, the anglos who fought for them, but also a whole lot more people than was really needed last night.
Thanks for the word of acknowledgment in that thread after I did that by the way @WanderingProtagonist, we all have it happen once in awhile.
And for what it's worth if you ever end up going off heavily on me over something (might've happened a few times already), I forgive you in advance.

You guys have been having an interesting discussion in here I will read more carefully later, by the way.

Meanwhile I've given my own views this evening on some points about why I think homosexuality is a serious problem, over in my highly sensitive politically correct titled thread called "Homosexuality: A Disease, Mental Illness, and Weapon of jews for Destroying Gentile Nations"
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45597

[WanderingProtagonist]

I personally advocate a philosophy of pan-Gentile solidarity in face of the Jewish subversion of our societies and nations. I am willing to accept people of any race, creed or sexual orientation as long as they are decent, possess noble traits and are sincere in their desire to fight for freedom and a better world. I'm personally tired of all of the useless quarrels among Gentiles (that's what the neo-Marxist left wants). I'd rather we all come together and form a movement of resistance born out of magnanimity.

Well, I only intended to talk about how giving up hatred and cultivating understanding and empathy helps one feel better and live a better life, but I ended up going off on the Jews and talking about my vision for Gentile resistance!

@Lucas88 I'm shocked and mortally offended!!!!!!!

In order to cultivate empathy, it is best to disconnect from all of the low-vibrational political and mediatic distractions and concentrate on one's own spirituality, wellbeing and the more important things in life.

Yeah, we have to fight back unlike a lot of our predecessors and contemporaries who did not have the courage to do a damn thing, but there's wisdom in this periodic disconnection from low and bad vibes when you need a recovery period, to be sure: I know about that because of Chi Gong practice among other things, but when we end up crossing the line a little too much, gotta grab a breather sometimes before getting back into the ring to fight for the things that are important to us so we don't become miserable failures like the past few generations who barely did anything to fight back:
Like I was laughing at myself about earlier, I ended up exploding on my own unhinged "beyond Mel Gibson-esque" level tirade in the 1950s thread and denouncing not only the warmongering jews, the anglos who fought for them, but also a whole lot more people than was really needed last night.
Thanks for the word of acknowledgment in that thread after I did that by the way @WanderingProtagonist, we all have it happen once in awhile.
And for what it's worth if you ever end up going off heavily on me over something (might've happened a few times already), I forgive you in advance.

You guys have been having an interesting discussion in here I will read more carefully later, by the way.

Meanwhile I've given my own views this evening on some points about why I think homosexuality is a serious problem, over in my highly sensitive politically correct titled thread called "Homosexuality: A Disease, Mental Illness, and Weapon of jews for Destroying Gentile Nations"
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45597

lol I don't really go off on you guys at all, I just have a brutal way of responding to certain comments and subjects. Plus I always have a tendency to swear a lot in my post, but have been cutting those curse words out or removing them in edits. I'm not crazy or anything, this site is great. It's not as active as it use to be back in the day, but I like it better than Roosh's site. I usually don't post the way I do on there like I do here..lol chances are they'll just ban me if I do it too often or too much lame. But here I just feel more free, so I'm like "at least I found a place where I can be who I am and say what needs to be said even if they don't always agree with what the hell I'm trying to say.

[Lucas88]

Yeah, we have to fight back unlike a lot of our predecessors and contemporaries who did not have the courage to do a damn thing, but there's wisdom in this periodic disconnection from low and bad vibes when you need a recovery period, to be sure: I know about that because of Chi Gong practice among other things, but when we end up crossing the line a little too much, gotta grab a breather sometimes before getting back into the ring to fight for the things that are important to us so we don't become miserable failures like the past few generations who barely did anything to fight back:

Yeah, I too am tired of all the blablabla on the internet and long for meaningful action. I am now in an extremely militant mindset and want us to fight the enemy not only with words and written articles but also with bullets. I absolutely loathe those perverse beings and am utterly enraged by the untold evil which they have inflicted and continue to inflict on Gentiles and our societies. I'm talking about how for decades they have been slowly poisoning us through contaminated toxic foods, destroying countless lives through their harmful vaccines and pharmaceutical poisons (I myself am on the autistic spectrum and will not forgive them for the neurological impairment that they have caused me), sending thousands of our people to die in their manufactured wars and ruining entire countries in the process, pushing millions into poverty and destitution through crippling debts and their artificial system of economic servitude, undermining relations between men and women through the vile feminist movement and the subsequent promotion of a disruptive gender war, and more recently turning society into an arena of conflict and hostility through their insidious neo-Marxist agendas and all of the "woke" bullshit. I'm fuckin' seething. For me, the lifestyle of a minority of innocent gays and trannies is trivial in comparison to all of this (the radical leftist LGBT activist weirdos who defend pedophilia and push this shit on children and teenagers are another story altogether). The real iniquities that the enemy has done are unforgivable. I will forever hate them for this and desire their complete destruction with neither pity nor compassion!

Right now we don't have the necessary numbers. The police state will just shut down our resistance.

However, I'm hoping that when the New World Order attempts to implement its envisioned Great Reset of technocratic communist totalitarianism and is met with significant pockets of resistance, we will have a good opportunity to gain enough support and launch a full-frontal military attack on the enemy. I think that we are heading towards a crucial inflection point: the NWO will attempt to impose their dystopia but that will at the same time cause them to run the risk of exposure and give us an opportunity to organize ourselves and launch a counterattack of our own. At that time men like you and I and anyone else with a pair of cojones will be ready with our guns and our willingness to fight for freedom and the survival of Gentile civilization!

Like I was laughing at myself about earlier, I ended up exploding on my own unhinged "beyond Mel Gibson-esque" level tirade in the 1950s thread and denouncing not only the warmongering jews, the anglos who fought for them, but also a whole lot more people than was really needed last night.

I thought that your Mel Gibson level tirade against the Jews, Anglo-cucks who fought for their agenda yet smugly view themselves as "heroes", and the weak MGTOW faggots was freakin' hilarious! I found it that funny that I even sent a text message to @Pixel--Dude telling him that WilliamSmith's gone off on the Jews again in another epic rant and that he needs to check it out!

Meanwhile I've given my own views this evening on some points about why I think homosexuality is a serious problem, over in my highly sensitive politically correct titled thread called "Homosexuality: A Disease, Mental Illness, and Weapon of jews for Destroying Gentile Nations"
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45597

I'll respond to your new thread at the weekend. I'm already too burned out with so much talk about phaggotry and tarty Tgurlism in one day!

[MrMan]

At this point, I should probably be out doing something. Today I'm in that brooding type mood. Long ago I had nothing against most people but things and time itself has changed, and I changed too. The world I once knew years ago was a much better place for me on a mental level than it is now where everyone who identifies as a certain class want special treatment. With that said, this was a good discussion.

I just wanna tell you that hatred only keeps us trapped in a negative frequency and adds to the misery of life. But when we give up all unnecessary hatred and start to embrace love, empathy and understanding for others the frequency at which we operate becomes more positive and life usually gets better. I'm speaking from personal experience. I write this with total sincerity.

When it comes to people of different social groups including minorities and social outcasts, I always try to view them as other souls/spiritual beings with their own feelings and need for love and make an effort to understand them and their condition and treat them with empathy. That can include people of different races, homosexuals, transsexuals, etc. In my experience, it's always better to view them as sentient souls and human beings first and foremost and look beyond all of the labels and prejudices. When you do this you release a lot of the hatred and negativity and suffer less as a result.

Of course, love and acceptance cannot be unconditional. It can only be given to those with a minimum of decency. I'm not suggesting for a second that we forgive the Jewish social engineers,

All this talk about embracing love and empathy, other people being spiritual beings... followed by a rant against the Jews and the need for solidarity against them.

There is spiritual blindness on Jews who reject the Messiah, and some of them stick with the traditional Jewish religion, and others go off into weird cults and social movements. Those promoting the gay stuff are being bad Jews based on their traditional religion. The Jewish tradition acknowledges that in order to be righteous, Gentiles are supposed to abstain from sexual immorality. Gay sex was one of the sins for which Gentiles were driven out of the holy land when it was given to Israel. Jews believe they are supposed to be a light to the Gentiles. Promoting sexual immorality is not consistent with that. Genetic or cultural Jews who do that are being bad Jews.

[MrMan]

I talked with a street evangelist who said that he could perceive a spirit on some men who were getting interested in homosexuality. He said if they watch porn, they see naked guys, and the spirit may get on them and they start getting into homosexuality. He'd ask these people if they were having these kind of gay thoughts and they'd confirm they did.

I don't know if it's always a 'spirit' or not. It might be. There may be lots of demons out there and most people probably have no awareness of them, influencing their thoughts and opinions.

Just from a naturalistic perspective, if you sit around watching naked dudes and their body parts in a situation where you have saturated your brain with dopamine and are experiencing emotional pleasure from watching porn (even if your focus is on the women) it might change your attitude toward naked men.

So maybe watching all this perverted porn is causing more men to be interested in this gross stuff, along with media, schools, etc. brainwashing them into thinking gay sex is just as good as real sex, even praising people for being 'brave' for flaunting their interest in this sexual perversion. Add to that the demonic spiritual influences behind all this pushing their willful victims in the direction of furher perversion.

[Lucas88]

All this talk about embracing love and empathy, other people being spiritual beings... followed by a rant against the Jews and the need for solidarity against them.

There is spiritual blindness on Jews who reject the Messiah, and some of them stick with the traditional Jewish religion, and others go off into weird cults and social movements. Those promoting the gay stuff are being bad Jews based on their traditional religion. The Jewish tradition acknowledges that in order to be righteous, Gentiles are supposed to abstain from sexual immorality. Gay sex was one of the sins for which Gentiles were driven out of the holy land when it was given to Israel. Jews believe they are supposed to be a light to the Gentiles. Promoting sexual immorality is not consistent with that. Genetic or cultural Jews who do that are being bad Jews.

Nice try, MrMan! You might wanna imply that I'm a hypocrite for my talk of love and empathy and then my opposition to the Jews, but no sir, that shit's not gonna fly!

I seek to embrace love and empathy for noble and decent beings or those who are otherwise harmless but no Gentile in his right mind may show love for a perverse tribal mafia which has done and continues to do everything it can to turn our societies into dystopias of complete shit and slowly destroy us and our children. There can be no love or forgiveness for hostile and harmful enemies like the Jewish elite. Members like @WilliamSmith, @Pixel--Dude and myself are not on board with the Jewdeo-Christian slave program of "turn the other cheek". We are of a strong masculine warrior mindset and acknowledge the need to take up arms and fight against our parasitic oppressors and for the survival of our own people.

Also never have I advocated the indiscriminate slaughter of Jews in any of my posts on this forum. I specifically condemn the Zionist elite and Jews who are involved in subversive activities. Not our innocent Jewish neighbor who doesn't do anything to anybody. But understanding nuances doesn't seem to be your strong point, does it, MrMan?

WilliamSmith, Pixel--Dude and myself don't observe any supposed distinction between "good" Judaism and bad Judaism either. From our own research we recognize that all forms of Judaism are bad going all the way back to biblical Judaism and including the Orthodox Judaism of today. I can't speak for WilliamSmith, but Pixel--Dude and I also believe that Yahweh is a demonic entity who masquerades as "God" and seeks to corrupt the human world using his Jewish chosen people as his chief agents. We hold this to be true based on the fact that the religion of the Old Testament itself is chock-full of evil atrocities attributed to Yahweh and his people.

Pixel--Dude and I and maybe WilliamSmith too are beings of light who are endowed with elevated consciousness and see through the deception of the Jewish impostor god. We are noble warriors in Gentile humanity's just struggle against Yahweh and his forces of darkness.

I'm not a big fan of Christians either but I'm willing to make a temporary alliance with those more moderate ones who are not Zio-cucked and who recognize the need of fight against the ZOGs.

[MrMan]

@Lucas88

The thing is you have to put together your religious beliefs from a hodgepodge of beliefs of other religions. Where do you get the idea that there is such a thing as a demon?

[MrMan]

@Lucas88

The thing is you have to put together your religious beliefs from a hodgepodge of beliefs of other religions. Where do you get the idea that there is such a thing as a demon?

[Outcast9428]

@MrMan I agree that homosexuality is naturally repulsive, and the same applies to seeing a man wearing a dress or make up. Back in college there was a social circle I briefly hung out with and quickly left because the women in that group were repulsively ugly. One of the guys was wearing obvious makeup with eye glitter and everything, and several of the guys were flirting with each other on an almost constant basis. It was absolutely disgusting and I couldn't bear to be around it. I also feel uncomfortable whenever I see a man wearing a dress. For me, to be seen wearing a dress would be so humiliating that I wouldn't be able to live it down for the rest of my life. I really don't understand why there seems to be this large portion of the population that is so obsessed with homosexuality and wearing women's clothing. I have never felt remotely "curious" about what its like to f**k another man. I'm about as curious about gay sex as I am about swimming through a septic tank.

Pretty much every guy I've met who isn't trying to be woke and tolerant agrees that homosexuality is just naturally repulsive and I instinctively avoid men who admit to bisexual feelings or an openness towards sex with other men. I'm not suggesting outright persecution of them, but they should understand that a lot of people think what they're doing is gross and most straight men are going to feel uncomfortable around men who admit to homosexual feelings.

@Lucas88 I think the greco-roman model of homosexuality is a dumb excuse. Homosexuality is not about whether a guy is macho or not. Its about whether he likes to f**k men or not and if a man gets pleasure out of f***ing another man then he is gay.

Honestly, a lot of men who are like you describe have always struck me as kind of gay. I had roommates back in college who were like that. They joined highly prestigious fraternities on campus. They were huge womanizers who took a lot of pride in sleeping with lots of different women. But those sorts of guys seem to do weird, kind of gay shit at a significantly higher rate then normal guys do. Way more often then other guys, they seem to like prancing around in their underwear or don't care about being seen naked by other men. I've seen guys like that show up to parties or even walk around campus wearing short shorts. One of my roommates would literally take shits in his bathroom with the door wide open. Another time I heard one of those roommates say to his friends "let's all go piss together!" And he sounded genuinely excited about the idea. Sometimes I've even seen them kiss their "bros" on the cheek and act like its a big joke.

They act a lot like those Arab guys who, on one hand are very homophobic but on the other hand greet each other by rubbing their noses on one another, kissing each other's cheeks and cupping each other's faces. On one hand, I'm not as homophobic as these guys are because I've had gay guys flirt with me before and I usually just dismiss/ignore it. Some of these guys on the other hand will flip the f**k out and try to beat those men up. On the other hand I'm more homophobic though because I am so rigid about not wanting any sort of physical intimacy with other men whatsoever.

I also notice that frat guys are the only kinds of guys I've met who will seriously judge another guy for wearing casual/plain clothes that they consider to be "dressing badly" or "unfashionable." I feel like its extremely, implicitly womanly to shun/ostracize another guy because you don't like that he wears unfashionable clothing or that he's socially awkward and frat guys are the only kind of guys I've met who will actually complain about stuff like that. I feel like a lot of them are the type of guys who live for female approval/validation, not just from one loyal woman either, they want approval/validation from lots of women and it seems to genuinely piss them off when they see a guy who doesn't care about appealing to women as a collective. For me, I do care a lot about what the girl I've chosen thinks of me because I've already pre-selected her based on her values and since her values align with mine, her opinion of me would naturally reflect how strongly I am adhering to my own values. But I don't really care about the female collective opinion.

Another thing about those guys that seems kind of gay to me is that many of them have a single minded obsession with just having a hole to f**k. They seem to think activities like making out, cuddling, and foreplay are boring and they just want to f**k, roll over and go to sleep. Its like there's no real appreciation for the female body. For me, the sheer beauty of a girl's body is something I can't get enough of. I take an extremely tactile approach to sex. I loved when my ex would just lay on my lap and put her legs up so I could caress her thighs while we talked for as long as an hour sometimes. For me, I feel like there's two things that separate sex from masturbation... One is emotions, the other is the tactile sensations. For me, if all I did was put my penis in the vagina of a girl I didn't care about, I'd honestly rather just jerk off as opposed to doing that.

The kind of guys I mentioned though, the hole seems to be all they care about and for some reason a lot of these guys have a huge chip on their shoulder about masturbation. I can sort of understand why so many guys who are like that end up going gay in prison and explain it with "well there's no women around, what do you expect?" If your sexuality is entirely based on "f***ing a hole" to put it crudely, then what's the difference between a girl's vagina and a man's asshole?

For me, I don't get prison sex at all. That's because my sexuality is based around emotions and a mixture of visual/tactile sensations.

[Lucas88]

@Lucas88 I think the greco-roman model of homosexuality is a dumb excuse. Homosexuality is not about whether a guy is macho or not. Its about whether he likes to f**k men or not and if a man gets pleasure out of f***ing another man then he is gay.

The Greco-Roman model of homosexuality is a cultural conception which goes back all the way to the ancient world and continues to exist in some cultures today. Although it might seem strange at first sight to a modern American or British person, this model isn't as extravagant as many would think. Ancient cultures recognized a masculine-feminine dynamic even in many homosexual relationships. Often masculine men paired up with effeminate homosexuals (i.e., sexual inverts). The masculine partner would take the dominant active role while the effeminate partner would be the passive submissive party and in this way such a sexual dynamic mirrored that of heterosexual sex. The dominant active partner was considered macho and there was no doubt cast upon his masculinity. The passive submissive partner was considered a fag and the "woman" of the relationship and not viewed as a real man. From what I've read, the equal homosexual relationships that are common today in which both partners look and act the same and both alternate between roles are a recent modern cultural phenomenon. It seems that the Greco-Roman model predominated throughout most of history up until relatively recently.

I don't know why masculine men would rather have sex with effeminate homosexuals than with women. I imagine that in times before the advent of birth control it was safer to f**k a cuteish, neotenous, submissive gayboy who looked and acted somewhat like a girl than to do it with a woman. Some of them might have done it out of pure horniness. There are also masculine men who are attracted to femininity but at the same time hate women and all of the difficulties associated with them. I guess that those guys simply found the more physically feminine kynaidoi more pleasant than the broads who they had to deal with and thought that it was just easier and more convenient to bust a nut with them. That said, I don't think that this kind of practice was as widespread in ancient cultures as some modern scholars like to make out. It was still a minority practice. Most guys seem to be instinctively repulsed by the idea of boning another man. The only difference was that in ancient cultures there was little or no stigma attached to the partner who took the dominant active role.

I myself think that any form of anal sex even among heterosexual couples is totally disgusting and degenerate, by the way. I can understand why gays do it since they have no other penetrable orifice and no other options outside of oral sex but guys who would rather f**k their girlfriend in the ass instead of in her perfectly good p***y just strike me as weird and give off bad vibes. And I'm not prudish by any stretch of the imagination.

I personally believe that the Greco-Roman model of homosexuality holds up truer than ever today with the modern phenomenon of Tgurls and the development of hormone therapy and surgeries which can now make male sexual inverts almost physically indistinguishable from females. There are even surgical procedures that can whip off their little poofter tallywhackers and give them artificial vaginas. Nowadays masculine men who are exclusively attracted to femininity and who are not attracted to masculine traits at all can end up dating and having sex with extremely feminine transformers in a relationship dynamic that is identical to that of heterosexuality. It would be senseless to argue that such men are gay since they are attracted to their partner's perfect feminine beauty and take the dominant masculine role, a fortiori if the transformer is post-op and therefore no longer has a schlong. Yet the transformer herself is still a male sexual invert and a feminized homosexual. She doesn't automatically become a woman just because she takes hormones or has had her Tgurl surgery. The transformer is still gay but the gynephilic masculine dude who bones her is not since he is neither androphilic nor passive. Hence the modern validity of the Greco-Roman model.

For those who think that even boning a feminine Tgurl makes a man gay:

Real gay men are not attracted to Tgurls at all. They are attracted to masculinity and don't like femininity at all. Their idea of erotic stimuli is usually sweaty muscular men in the showers or in a sauna, not a cute little hyperfeminine transformer with long hair, smooth skin and fake tits!

Honestly, a lot of men who are like you describe have always struck me as kind of gay. I had roommates back in college who were like that. They joined highly prestigious fraternities on campus. They were huge womanizers who took a lot of pride in sleeping with lots of different women. But those sorts of guys seem to do weird, kind of gay shit at a significantly higher rate then normal guys do. Way more often then other guys, they seem to like prancing around in their underwear or don't care about being seen naked by other men. I've seen guys like that show up to parties or even walk around campus wearing short shorts. One of my roommates would literally take shits in his bathroom with the door wide open. Another time I heard one of those roommates say to his friends "let's all go piss together!" And he sounded genuinely excited about the idea. Sometimes I've even seen them kiss their "bros" on the cheek and act like its a big joke.

I know what kind of sexually fluid bisexual guys you are talking about and I wrote about them in @WilliamSmith's thread on homosexuality and perversion. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there were a link between sociopathy and that kind of acquired homosexuality.

Have you noticed how that kind of behavior is common among elite social circles such as in Hollywood and the ultra rich?

You also rightly mentioned that it occurs frequently among the prison population which generally ranks higher for sociopathy than the rest of the population.

[MrMan]

@Lucas88 I think the greco-roman model of homosexuality is a dumb excuse. Homosexuality is not about whether a guy is macho or not. Its about whether he likes to f**k men or not and if a man gets pleasure out of f***ing another man then he is gay.

The Greco-Roman model of homosexuality is a cultural conception which goes back all the way to the ancient world and continues to exist in some cultures today. Although it might seem strange at first sight to a modern American or British person, this model isn't as extravagant as many would think. Ancient cultures recognized a masculine-feminine dynamic even in many homosexual relationships. Often masculine men paired up with effeminate homosexuals (i.e., sexual inverts). The masculine partner would take the dominant active role while the effeminate partner would be the passive submissive party and in this way such a sexual dynamic mirrored that of heterosexual sex. The dominant active partner was considered macho and there was no doubt cast upon his masculinity. The passive submissive partner was considered a fag and the "woman" of the relationship and not viewed as a real man. From what I've read, the equal homosexual relationships that are common today in which both partners look and act the same and both alternate between roles are a recent modern cultural phenomenon. It seems that the Greco-Roman model predominated throughout most of history up until relatively recently.

If there are Latinos that think the same way, maybe they inherited it. The word 'virtue' derives from a word that in the ancient world, had to do with the idea of what kind of a man one should be-- masculine virtues. Being the arsenokoite 'pitcher' is just as bad as being the malakos 'catcher, thought. Both are wicked defiling acts to be involved in. The Village People's songs were still gay even if they liked a 'macho man.'

Most guys seem to be instinctively repulsed by the idea of boning another man.

I think so, too, and the modern LGBT propaganda labels that instinct as 'homophobia' and seeks to override it with evil propaganda.

Nowadays masculine men who are exclusively attracted to femininity and who are not attracted to masculine traits at all can end up dating and having sex with extremely feminine transformers in a relationship dynamic that is identical to that of heterosexuality. It would be senseless to argue that such men are gay since they are attracted to their partner's perfect feminine beauty and take the dominant masculine role, a fortiori if the transformer is post-op and therefore no longer has a schlong. Yet the transformer herself is still a male sexual invert and a feminized homosexual. She doesn't automatically become a woman just because she takes hormones or has had her Tgurl surgery. The transformer is still gay but the gynephilic masculine dude who bones her is not since he is neither androphilic nor passive. Hence the modern validity of the Greco-Roman model.

No, it's still gay. Especially if he knows it and is still gay.

When I was a kid, maybe about 9, we had these neighbors. One kid was a year older than me, and the other was about 5. The 5 year old was like Scrappy Doo who was a tiny pup who would hold up his fists and say 'Let me 'at 'em' while Scooby acted so cowardly. The big kid would try to pick a fight with me on the walk home from school, and the little five year old would try to fight my younger brother. My family moved away and my cousin lived near there. He and some guys were talking and one mentioned the old neighbor who had done trans surgery. It turns out one of the guys was really freaked out. He had dated her. Not sure what they did.

Few trans really look like women or are attractive, but I guess some start young and pull it off. But that is a rather wicked form of deception if they don't tell men they are really men and fool them into thinking they are women. And it is gross and guy for a man to keep dating him when he realizes he is really a man.

If some man scientist tied you up and whacked off your junk and dug a feminine looking hole and filled you with hormones, you would still be a man. And it is the same case for these trans guys, even though they asked for it. They have high suicide rates.

If all women are a little crazy, I would imagine a man who dates a trans man trying to be a girl is in for a whole lot of crazy. Same with homosexuals. They gays probably want to have sex a lot, and women typically have a limit or it goes up and down with their hormones and moods.

[Lucas88]

If there are Latinos that think the same way, maybe they inherited it. The word 'virtue' derives from a word that in the ancient world, had to do with the idea of what kind of a man one should be-- masculine virtues. Being the arsenokoite 'pitcher' is just as bad as being the malakos 'catcher, thought. Both are wicked defiling acts to be involved in. The Village People's songs were still gay even if they liked a 'macho man.'

I think that Latinos did inherit the Greco-Roman conception of homosexuality to a degree. It was most likely brought over from Spain and Portugal and to a lesser extent from Italy by Southern European settlers as part of the whole Mediterranean "machismo" culture which arguably dates back to the Roman period. This way of thinking seems to be particularly strong in Brazil. The country has one of the largest trans populations in the world and droves of Brazilian men have sex with Tgurls or "travestis" as they are called in the local language yet don't consider themselves any less macho for it.

Virtue comes from the Latin word virtus which in turn derives from vir (man). The Greco-Roman conception of masculine virtue differed significantly from the Hebrew or Anglo-Protestant conception thereof. In Greco-Roman society only the passive malakos was considered to lack masculine virtue since he adopted the receptive feminine role and therefore had his masculinity violated. The active masculine penetrator wasn't seen to have lost any of his virtue as a man since he adopted the dominant role and didn't allow himself to be emasculated. Only men who gave their own asses to other men and were therefore f***ed like women were subjected to mockery and contempt. Men who f***ed effeminate malakoi were not seen as any less macho. This is a conception of homosexuality born out of an extreme form of machismo which associated manhood with penetration and dominance.

I myself am neither for nor against homosexuality. I simply recognize that it exists as an objective phenomenon regardless of whether people view it as immoral or not. This being the case, I seek to understand it from a biological and cultural perspective. I often see myself as a scholar who observes from afar in an effort to discover the causes and characteristics of the phenomena of the world.

Nowadays masculine men who are exclusively attracted to femininity and who are not attracted to masculine traits at all can end up dating and having sex with extremely feminine transformers in a relationship dynamic that is identical to that of heterosexuality. It would be senseless to argue that such men are gay since they are attracted to their partner's perfect feminine beauty and take the dominant masculine role, a fortiori if the transformer is post-op and therefore no longer has a schlong. Yet the transformer herself is still a male sexual invert and a feminized homosexual. She doesn't automatically become a woman just because she takes hormones or has had her Tgurl surgery. The transformer is still gay but the gynephilic masculine dude who bones her is not since he is neither androphilic nor passive. Hence the modern validity of the Greco-Roman model.

No, it's still gay. Especially if he knows it and is still gay.

But would it really make sense to call such a guy "gay"? Male homosexuality is necessarily characterized by androphilia, i.e., attraction to masculine features. A masculine man who has sex with a feminine Tgurl is attracted to the Tgurl's feminine attractors (sexological term) even if these are artificial (i.e., via hormones and surgeries). It's as though the Tgurl's sexy feminine appearance is hijacking the man's heterosexual instincts. This situation isn't the same as homosexuality.

Besides, true Tgurls (HSTS) are not the same as regular men from a psychological perspective. Though biologically male, they're sexual inverts from birth and naturally have very feminine mannerisms, a very girlish psyche and even strong neotenous tendencies. Interacting with them on a social level feels totally different from interacting with a dude. My Ecuadorian friend's niece (yeah, I use niece out of politeness) is a feminine Tgurl and talking to her feels just like talking to a female. I'm convinced that true Tgurls (not the autogynephilic fetishists) are feminized in some way also at the level of the psyche or soul.

If some man scientist tied you up and whacked off your junk and dug a feminine looking hole and filled you with hormones, you would still be a man.

Not only would I still be a man but I would still be masculine too. That is because I'm not a sexual invert from birth. I don't have a naturally feminine nature. Fetishistic AGP men rarely ever become feminine for this same reason -- they're naturally masculine and don't have a feminine nature. True Tgurls (HSTS) on the other hand are often so naturally effeminate in terms of their physique and psyche that they don't know how to live as men. Even in traditional Latino cultures their families usually just give up on trying to make them masculine and just accept that they are trans once all efforts to change them have failed.

If all women are a little crazy, I would imagine a man who dates a trans man trying to be a girl is in for a whole lot of crazy. Same with homosexuals. They gays probably want to have sex a lot, and women typically have a limit or it goes up and down with their hormones and moods.

Tgurls as feminized gayboys are known to have a higher sex drive and lust for sex than most women. I think this is one of the reasons why some guys date them. From what I've heard, it's just so much easier to get sex from a Tgurl than from a woman. And in places like Brazil plenty of Tgurls are hot and feminine enough for a less homophobic guy to suspend his disbelief.

Anecdotally, there is actually a not-so-feminine post-op tranny in my town who has slept with many of the men here. @Pixel--Dude will know who I mean. I suspect that those guys are willing to sleep with her out of pure horniness and desperation once they find themselves in a drunken stupor. They are most likely turned on by her big titties (hijacking of heterosexual instincts) and hit on her because they know that she is always willing to put out. I suppose that some of those guys are also incels and have no other options. Pixel--Dude and myself have never f***ed her though, just for the record. We don't find her feminine even in the slightest and, fortunately, I don't even drink!