Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, aka "Putin's Special Operation"

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galii wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:02 am
'Zelenskiy calls situation on Ukrainian front 'extremely acute' '
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ze ... 023-01-27/
That's because he wants more arms supplies from the West to defeat the Russians. Russia must be defeated and will be defeated.

When Russia loses unfortunately I think they will resort to using nuclear weapons on Ukraine and NATO member nations.
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Voyager1 wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:37 am
galii wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:02 am
'Zelenskiy calls situation on Ukrainian front 'extremely acute' '
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ze ... 023-01-27/
That's because he wants more arms supplies from the West to defeat the Russians. Russia must be defeated and will be defeated.

When Russia loses unfortunately I think they will resort to using nuclear weapons on Ukraine and NATO member nations.
Usually Zelensky was optimistic in order to get weapons. Like in see we can win so give the weapons.

Here it looks like oh my god we are losing but please give us the weapons anyway maybe we can win with luck.
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Voyager1 wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:37 am
That's because he wants more arms supplies from the West to defeat the Russians. Russia must be defeated and will be defeated.
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When Russia loses unfortunately I think they will resort to using nuclear weapons on Ukraine and NATO member nations.
There is no other way to go for Western countries but to continue this war until the last Russian soldier is gone back home to Russia, finally removed from Ukraine, dead or alive.

If not, Russia will continue to attack other Western countries in future. Russia openly threatened Finland, Sweden, the small Baltic states, Norway etc. with military actions, makes even stupid claims that Russia begins in Portugal and ends in Alaska...

From the Western point of view the war is running nicely, not bad at all. Russian soldiers are sent back in body bags every day, plenty of Russian military equipment is destroyed.... while not even one - I say it again - not even one NATO soldier lost his life so far...

During one year, Russia did not manage to occupy more than one sixth of Ukraine, not very impressive, considering how many of their own young men died in combat...

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I don't think Russia will use nuclear weapons, as it is fully aware that other countries, some of them NATO members, also have nuclear weapons.
About Russian nuclear weapons, nobody knows even if they will correctly function should they ever be used...
What we have seen so far the Russian military is a ridiculous mess.

Future - not much will go on during this month, Ukraine and Russia use this time to fight a little, but both of them are doing something to organize supplies for a major confrontation - I guess, the Russians will appear end of February in huge numbers and try as their last desperate attempt to break into Ukraine and to remove its government and take over this country as a part of Russia - but if they fail again, I think Putin will be removed from power.

However the Russian government will not change significantly, with or without Putin.

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Japan is also by Russian definition a hostile country. However there is no military activity so far going on from Russia against Japan.
Energy imports from Russia have been replaced already with imports from other countries.
Just waiting, compared to Ukraine, Japan has a much larger military and better equipment and also more than 50000 US soldiers in and around Japan, so I guess the Russians will stay away from Japan...
Land/sea disputes between Russia and Japan are rather small, and only very few Russians are living in Japan.
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Yohan wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 7:15 am
Voyager1 wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:37 am
That's because he wants more arms supplies from the West to defeat the Russians. Russia must be defeated and will be defeated.
....
When Russia loses unfortunately I think they will resort to using nuclear weapons on Ukraine and NATO member nations.
There is no other way to go for Western countries but to continue this war until the last Russian soldier is gone back home to Russia, finally removed from Ukraine, dead or alive.

If not, Russia will continue to attack other Western countries in future. Russia openly threatened Finland, Sweden, the small Baltic states, Norway etc. with military actions, makes even stupid claims that Russia begins in Portugal and ends in Alaska...

From the Western point of view the war is running nicely, not bad at all. Russian soldiers are sent back in body bags every day, plenty of Russian military equipment is destroyed.... while not even one - I say it again - not even one NATO soldier lost his life so far...

During one year, Russia did not manage to occupy more than one sixth of Ukraine, not very impressive, considering how many of their own young men died in combat...

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I don't think Russia will use nuclear weapons, as it is fully aware that other countries, some of them NATO members, also have nuclear weapons.
About Russian nuclear weapons, nobody knows even if they will correctly function should they ever be used...
What we have seen so far the Russian military is a ridiculous mess.

Future - not much will go on during this month, Ukraine and Russia use this time to fight a little, but both of them are doing something to organize supplies for a major confrontation - I guess, the Russians will appear end of February in huge numbers and try as their last desperate attempt to break into Ukraine and to remove its government and take over this country as a part of Russia - but if they fail again, I think Putin will be removed from power.

However the Russian government will not change significantly, with or without Putin.

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Japan is also by Russian definition a hostile country. However there is no military activity so far going on from Russia against Japan.
Energy imports from Russia have been replaced already with imports from other countries.
Just waiting, compared to Ukraine, Japan has a much larger military and better equipment and also more than 50000 US soldiers in and around Japan, so I guess the Russians will stay away from Japan...
Land/sea disputes between Russia and Japan are rather small, and only very few Russians are living in Japan.
There is zero chance that Russia would attack Sweden or Finnland. Actually the US would be happy if they tried. The US is hot for that kind of stuff. They are western countries US would see that as a big deal.

But small countries like Georgia, Armenia and some Turkic countries that is a different matter.
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Pentagon In Classified Briefing: Ukraine Retaking Crimea 'Unlikely'

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There seems to be a faction within evil Western regimes that want to end the war given that they are losing, so you see them trying to come down from their previous positions. The BBC recently estimated that there had only been about 15-20k deaths on the Russian side.
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Jimmy Dore Brings ANTI-WAR Message To Fox News
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Anti-war protesters in Poland doused the country’s Russian ambassador in red paint on Monday at a Victory Day ceremony marking the 77th anniversary of the end of the Second World War.

Ambassador Sergey Andreev was attending a wreath-laying ceremony at a Warsaw cemetery where he and staff were surrounded by demonstrators chanting "fascists", "killers", "shame" and “f*** Putin."

Drenched in red splatter, Ambassador Andreev told the cameras that caught the moment, "I am proud of my country and my president."
This video is from last year.
I don't think this guy will show up this year again...

A special face painting operation!

LOL

BTW, I don't think, these people who did this are Polish people, more likely Ukrainians who escaped to Poland...
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MarcosZeitola wrote:
February 3rd, 2023, 1:58 am
galii wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:02 am

Don't act like you do not understand. They look like winning because they make advances. They took Soledar and now they make advances in Bakhmut. Ukrainians are losing ground.

Even Zelenky sounds pessimistic.

'Zelenskiy calls situation on Ukrainian front 'extremely acute' '
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ze ... 023-01-27/
Ukraine took back territory last year, maybe this year Russia takes Bakhmut. For all we know all of this is entirely by design and going "according to plan". Does the West really want to defeat Russia quickly, or do they want to slowly bleed Russia dry over a prolonged period of time? Ukraine is doomed, lets face it. I mean win or lose, they're done for. It seems like Western interest dictates Russia should not lose too quickly. So they give Ukraine the bare minimum... I mean what's a hundred tanks to the scale of the battles we are talking about? And no jets are donated. Some missile defense systems. A ton of bullets, explosives and what-have-you, humanitarian aid, of course.

I'm not sure if Western help is meant to actually defeat Russia, or merely to distract and cripple it. It certainly hasn't given Ukraine the tools required to defeat Russia. Just the tools to stay in the fight. Even if Bakhmut falls to the Russians in the next few weeks it wouldn't mean "all is lost" for Ukraine, it's not as if Bakhmut is some major city. All Wagner would conquer is a pile of rubble and bodies.

Zelensky sounds pessimistic? Maybe. But he's an actor; he sounds however which way he HAS to sound to get the money he needs, the arms he needs. He'll tap dance forever to whatever tunes he needs to tap dance in order to get what he needs. If he needs to sound positive and make the West feel like their help is working, he'll sound positive. If he needs some doom and gloom to panic the West into greater generosity, he'll sound panicky and appeal to sunk cost fallacy. When it comes to swindling, the guy's a pro. :lol:
Of course there are many more perspectives but we here started to talk about the first layer without conspiracy theory. I did not say that Ukraine is winning. I said they look like winning. So I kept room for many more explanations and perspectives.

To argue on the second layer where you argue that the West does not want to win against Russia or not win too fast sure that can be true but one has to take in account that the Russians could escalate things very quickly. The West knows that and has to take it in account. There is a risk in crossing the red lines of the Russians and these red lines are not known.

I am not shure what Russia could actually do to escalate but on top of my hat there could be a nuke strike on the ocean just to remind the West what is at stake.

It is even possible that Russia is ok for a longer war. They traditionally can deal with longer wars. It might be ok for them that Ukraine gets destroyed so it is not a threat. It will be a buffer zone. That might not be a bad thing.
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Ukraine Says Russia Mustering 500,000 Troops On Borders For New Major Offensive

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukra ... -offensive
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galii wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:02 am
Don't act like you do not understand. They look like winning because they make advances. They took Soledar and now they make advances in Bakhmut. Ukrainians are losing ground.
Advances by the Russians? I do not see much which I could call advances, honestly. Just read in the news, that the president of Austria, a very old man of 79 years, arrived in Kyiv on Wednesday with a small delegatiion by train, without any trouble and on time.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-crime/ ... o-dpr.html
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Soledar is a small place in Eastern Ukraine, a village of around 10.000 people, to call this 'making advances and winning' is a bit over the top.This place is not far from Luhansk, not far from the Russian border.

I see no winner, Russia lost plenty of young men and materials, but after 11 months some real progess should be seen, but there is no real progress.

Wide regions of Ukraine are now a poverty zone with many buildings totally destroyed, not a good future, regardless if with or without the Russians.....
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Yohan wrote:
February 3rd, 2023, 4:41 am
galii wrote:
February 2nd, 2023, 6:02 am
Don't act like you do not understand. They look like winning because they make advances. They took Soledar and now they make advances in Bakhmut. Ukrainians are losing ground.
Advances by the Russians? I do not see much which I could call advances, honestly. Just read in the news, that the president of Austria, a very old man of 79 years, arrived in Kyiv on Wednesday with a small delegatiion by train, without any trouble and on time.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-crime/ ... o-dpr.html
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Soledar is a small place in Eastern Ukraine, a village of around 10.000 people, to call this 'making advances and winning' is a bit over the top.This place is not far from Luhansk, not far from the Russian border.

I see no winner, Russia lost plenty of young men and materials, but after 11 months some real progess should be seen, but there is no real progress.

Wide regions of Ukraine are now a poverty zone with many buildings totally destroyed, not a good future, regardless if with or without the Russians.....
One argument is Soledar and Bakhmut are important because Ukraine does not want to give up these places. Because of that they have to bring soldiers from other places. The Russians can decimate them there. The Russians seem to have more weapons and more soldiers. You seem to be a bit biased here. I am pro Ukraine I thought Ukraine looked like winning before but things seem to change. Of course no one knows what is really going on.
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If people have time on their hands, Ramzpaul did a good livestream mainly on the Ukraine issue on Rumble yesterday giving pretty much the typical non-Globo-homo view of the stiuation.

https://rumble.com/v2817s4-the-ramzpaul ... ary-2.html
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find the hypocrisy:

EU gives Serbia 2 options: Concessions to Kosovo or economic "disaster." Divide et impera!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBkGcD9y0E
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-say.html
Russian casualties in Ukraine are nearing 200,000, with losses from the assault on Bakhmut far out-weighing the city's strategic value, US officials say
Bakhmut earned the moniker 'meat grinder' due to the constant brutal fighting
Most analysts agree the strategic value of Bakhmut is not worth the casualties
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