How many children do you want to have? (And how many wives, LOL?)

[WilliamSmith]

How about it guys? How many children do you want to have, if you could have as many as you wanted?

Do you want to build a big extended family?

Or are you a more traditional "Western" hodler who wants only 1 wife, and only 1-3 children, perhaps?

I respect both approaches, just curious...

Personally, I've got an "all or nothing" philosophy:
I want to either aim for a big family of around 10 children, or else not have any at all.

What about you?

[WilliamSmith]

I would have as many as physically possible. So possibly hundreds of 'em. Leave the biggest, deepest carbon footprint ever since the days of Genghis Khan.

@MarcosZeitola
I was wondering about you, since (if I remember correctly) you already had a fairly impressive # of children already, didn't you?

And so, if the answer is hundreds of your very own children (as opposed to that Ugandan I just posted in the Polygamy thread who had "only" 100+ sons/daughters and 500+ grandchildren), I assume you'd be siring these hundreds of children by tons of different women all over the world, without being present during their upbringing?

If so, that's one more case of me being in a "middle ground" on this forum, since my goal of "at least 10" of my own offspring would sound like a lot / too much to many "Westerners," yet I'd still want to be present, as opposed to "leaving the biggest, deepest carbon footprint ever since the days of Genghis Khan," LOL.

[Tsar]

I want at least 3 wives, ideally 5-7 wives, and 21+ children. Every girl that I get with would have her first baby before her 21st birthday. I would ideally have 5+ children with every girl.

Accidents can happen and result in death. Disease or disasters can result in death. People should have a lot of children because losing one or two wouldn't mean it's completely over.

@MarcosZeitola @WilliamSmith

[Voyager1]

I want at least 3 wives, ideally 5-7 wives, and 21+ children. Every girl that I get with would have her first baby before her 21st birthday. I would ideally have 5+ children with every girl.

Accidents can happen and result in death. Disease or disasters can result in death. People should have a lot of children because losing one or two wouldn't mean it's completely over.

I think you need to start with having 1 wife and 1 child and then you can decide if you want these other 30.

[WilliamSmith]

I want at least 3 wives, ideally 5-7 wives, and 21+ children. Every girl that I get with would have her first baby before her 21st birthday. I would ideally have 5+ children with every girl.

Accidents can happen and result in death. Disease or disasters can result in death. People should have a lot of children because losing one or two wouldn't mean it's completely over.

@MarcosZeitola @WilliamSmith

@Tsar
@MarcosZeitola

Heheh, yeah to me having around 3 wives if it's time to build a big clan sounds pretty ideal.
Unless I had a really amazing romance with one woman where I had her obviously extremely attracted to me and it convincingly felt like I had real love from her that was lasting for years, that 3 wives/women goal sounds about right to me too:
Managing 3 wives is doable. I still don't know about under the same roof with the type of more aggressive and emotional women I tend to like, LOL (yikes). But you guys probably prefer quieter women with more submissive personality types, who I'd guess would be easier to manage under the same roof, so good luck moving up from 3 to 5-7 wives. I still think aiming for any woman under 25 is cruising for a bruising because their brains aren't even fully developed yet and they're notoriously flightier and prone to horrendous sprees of impulsive slutty sexual behavior (which is the opposite of the tradcon fantasy about them being "purer"), but I'm not going to debate that point anymore.

Anyway, with "FWB" (friends-with-benefits) girlfriends, 3 women on rotation tends to feel like enough (i.e. without a strong impulse to go out and get even more side women).
I would worry about my own kids too much if I had the "exploration and conquest" instincts of MarcosZeitola who wants to potentially spread hundreds of kids all over the face of the earth, but there's obviously no doubt about whose genes are likely to be around the longest (his, heheh).
That's also an interesting side topic: I want to bang all the women (well, lots of them anyway), but this primal desire to spread my genes all over the place isn't something I am wired with, like he obviously is...

[WilliamSmith]

For me personally I am happy with one child I have. I know my girlfriend wants to have children of her own one day and if I'm being truthful she is the only girl I will consider having another child with because I think so highly of her. So for me 2 children maximum. If things don't work out with this current girl any girlfriend I have following I won't consider having children with them.

When it comes to women, I actually occasionally have shared @Pixel--dude's romantic sentiments toward one "special" woman. (Though from what he said, it sounds like he is a little more biologically wired to prefer one woman at a time than some of us who responded so far, and @Lucas88 who I got the impression was even less open to monogamous arrangements with only one woman, heheh.)
But like we were discussing yesterday:
Going all-in on one woman means you're opening yourself up to a whole landslide of emotional intensity when the relationship has its ups and downs (or, at worst, ends).

Having 3+ FWB girlfriends is a night-and-day difference:
Does wonders for men's physiological health, but without the emotional intensity if things go wrong or the line-up of women changes a bit, heheh.
Unlike "hookup culture," it's also not devoid of emotion, or devoid of affection or romance (though opinions vary on this, some womanizers actually ardently argue that you shouldn't get romantic with FWB women, and I personally disagree at least in my case, but that's another topic).

The "emotional investment" side of the question is also one of the reasons I have my "all or nothing" plan to be ready to aim big and go for a large family with 10+ kids, if I ever become a father at all.
I would find it such a big emotionally involved thing + have to re-arrange one's life in so many ways to bring up even 1 kid, that I would rather "scale" my investment in all that planning, and go for tons of kids.
Being a "lone wolf" with multiple girlfriends (or just scoring with women casually if they don't want to be your gf, LOL) is fun, and a way easier way to live a free lifestyle, but I do really see the value in having a big extended family network...

[willymonfrete]

I want to move to yemen or rural morocco,north sudan,mauritania etc and get 4 pretty virgin wives

[Outcast9428]

Polygamy is illegal virtually everywhere, and even in the countries where it is legal, you have to prove that you're capable of financially supporting multiple wives, which, virtually nobody in the Middle East can unless they're very rich. In some of these countries, the woman can also forbid her husband from having multiple wives. In most of them, you must also legally register as Muslim. Given that the majority of the men on this forum have a severe aversion to any kind of labor, I don't see them even reaching a respectable middle class status in the countries they are talking about going to much less becoming part of the upper class.

[WilliamSmith]

Polygamy is illegal virtually everywhere, and even in the countries where it is legal, you have to prove that you're capable of financially supporting multiple wives, which, virtually nobody in the Middle East can unless they're very rich. In some of these countries, the woman can also forbid her husband from having multiple wives. In most of them, you must also legally register as Muslim. Given that the majority of the men on this forum have a severe aversion to any kind of labor, I don't see them even reaching a respectable middle class status in the countries they are talking about going to much less becoming part of the upper class.

Not true at all:
Here's a big list of countries where it's either fully legal or allowed under customary laws, or "decriminalized" and tolerated (so you can still do it, as long as you do your due diligence to find out how the laws and customs work there):
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... y-is-legal

I personally decided against polygamy for my own sake (not romantic enough for me, too much drama amongst wives even if it's fully legally and culturally endorsed, etc), despite my also liking having a lot of women, and swinging way more toward "conservatism" in the sense of wanting to get clannish with people in an extended family, and band together to defend families against homosexuality and so on.

But FYI to both @willymonfrete who wants multiple wives + @Outcast9428 claiming polygamy is supposedly barely practiced anywhere:

There's quite a few countries where polygamy is still legal, but also tons of them where it is still practiced despite not being formally sanctioned (including some of the nations Outcast delusionally claims to be supposed bastions of sexual conservatism and virgins, like sexpat-central Thailand with its mass exploitative sex industry, plague of homos and ladyboys, and also polygamy being practiced there as well, not to mention the monstrous giant snakes, LOL):

I have my own list of preferred countries that's pretty solidified at this point (mostly island nations + Uganda / Kenya / Ghana), but countries I'd otherwise be glad to live in personally, polygamy is either fully legal, or else not technically fully legalized, but allowed under customary laws or "decriminalized" and tolerated regardless.
Examples from the link above:
Botswana
Brazil
Cambodia
Gambia (legal up to 4 wives, LOL, they even have a bit of sailing there, LOL)
Indonesia (varies by province)
Kenya (high-level top choice for me already even though I decided against polygamy personally, heheh)
Laos
Madagascar
Malaysia (awesome but not suitable for me because I don't want to upset them, LOL, but it is legal there for Muslims)
Mauritius
Phillipines (if you're a Muslim)
Sao Tome and Principe (another interesting choice for me if I was bound for Africa )
Tanzania
Thailand (just guard all the wives you're hodling carefully, because otherwise @CaptainSkelebob might storm back in there and put a beating on you and bang all your wives, even if the giant snakes and schizo ladyboys don't get you 1st, hahah)
Uganda (my #1 choice in Africa, damn those guys are giga-based homophobes, LOL, and so are the beautiful Ugandan women!!)
Zambia

[WilliamSmith]

I've said before that I don't want to bring too many children into this world. That's because I see that this world is unnatural to the nature of the soul, unless you're a complete NPC and a degenerate that supports and promoted the proletariat work ethic...

For us souled humans, who actually have compassion for others and care about higher values, bringing a child into the world has to be something which is carefully considered. I love my daughter a great deal, but I recklessly brought her into the world despite knowing two things that I should have seriously considered before doing so.

1. The hostile nature of the world in which we live. We all know relations between people is virtually nonexistent in the society of today. Work and money will always come before human beings in a system of cutthroat capitalism. I really don't see why this is so hard for some people to see, unless they are complete NPCs.

And

2. The volatile nature of my relationship with my ex. We just didn't get along very well. Not going to blame her for absolutely everything that was wrong with our relationship, but instead I'll take the diplomatic stance and simply state that we didn't get on at all.

In hindsight being there as a strong role model and a good father would help ease my anxiety about point 1 but point 2 meant that this was never going to be a forever thing. So all I would advise for anyone who wants kids is just be sure of the woman you are going to have kids with. Because there's nothing more painful (from my experience) than having a child you care about, but not being able to be fully there for them. It honestly breaks my heart.

Wow, that resonates, even though I've never ended up with a kid on the scene yet.
I have this subject on my mind a lot, because of being (frankly) addicted to women, but rarely or never being with any one woman who'd have made an ideal mate, even if I could go on for hours about the things I do love about women I've known over the past few decades.
There's really a lot of wisdom in not banging any women who you wouldn't theoretically be willing to have a child with...
The problem for me is that if it's not women for me, it's going to be alcohol, which my genes can withstand better than many men, but that's not necessarily a good thing since it still messes with any man's t-levels even if he's got Al Swearengen-esque genes (which I obviously have ) and is still bad for long-term health, LOL!!!
Speaking of Swearengen, my Dad also got that nightmarish gallstone thing he had to have surgery for like Swearengen did in Deadwood, and he said the pain was so over the top he was vomiting before they doped him on opiate pain killers and operated on him, !@#$%. I hope that never happens to me... But yeah, that's why I was saying: I just have to have women or I'm going to f-ing drink myself into an early grave.
And I want MUSCLES, DAMMIT!
Drinking too much is bad for muscle growth. I've also heard it can contribute erectile dysfunction ( ), which --- thank f-ing God!! --- I've never experienced so far, but yeah... Tradcon squealing about "degeneracy" be damned, because I need women, and I know from experience (even if I can't cite any voluntary-response based studies Outcast is so fond of) that being real good friends with high-sex drive women won't cause lowered t-levels and erectile dysfunction, but on the contrary.

Back to the serious stuff, though:
I agree about how you should be careful that you're compatible with any woman you'd have a kid with:
In my 20s-30s I didn't worry about this as much because of that youthful masculine sense where you feel like you could do anything and solve any problem. But the way I see it now in my early 40's: If I get a woman pregnant then I have to commit to at least 20 years of supporting our kid.......... so yeah, it's going to be a rough ride if the woman isn't a good match, at least as a "strategic partnership" for having compatible values for parenting...

[WilliamSmith]

My current girlfriend was previously a trusted friend of a good decade or more. We already have a lot of trust, which is the foundational principle of any healthy relationship. I'm satisfied that me and her have a healthy enough relationship that point 2 won't be an issue. Therefore point 1 has less of an effect on my anxiety regarding having a child with her. But she's really the only girl I would ever trust to the degree that I do that I would even consider the notion of having another child.

That is great!! I also ardently believe that if you have a girlfriend, whether it starts as an FWB / try-as-you-go kind of thing, that if the romance and passion start escalating, you should be together for at least 2 years before even thinking about getting married.
Your having known each other for even longer and actually still caring about each other sounds even more promising, so I wish you both the best.

Tradcon types with religious programming sometimes cry out against what I said about being together 2+ years before even thinking about getting married, but I think it's just common sense in the absence of the religious indoctrination, because those sexual attraction and love chemicals can be like tropical squalls where they blast two people with love/sex/bonding hormones (oxytocin, for example).............. but then that usually blows over, and often ends up with the primal attraction fizzling out at least a bit (sometimes a lot!), and two people who then realize they have major problems getting along if they're actually trying to go all-in on a serious relationship.

I really like and care about a lot of women I've known since even my early 20s (and still know and occasionally see some of them even from the old days when I go back to the USSA), but if I'd ever been dumb enough to try to marry one of those high-drama man-eaters, I'm sure it would have been a total fiasco, LOL.
(This is especially true for me because I like what they call women with "dominant" personalities, so naturally they're great if you like passionate women with desirable qualities in a mate and who are super-direct communicators, but on the other hand chances are they'll be even harder to handle in a fulltime hodler relationship than women with more submissive personalities. )

So to me this just makes "FWB" relationships all the more sensible as a starting point, because projecting idealized monogamy/hodler/TMM fantasies onto one woman just because of the way people want things to be in theory almost never works. (Or if I've somehow got that take wrong Outcast9428 and I can straighten it out, I am about to post a new thread on what I thought were the stats on problems in traditional monogamous marriage, but if I'm wrong I'll take it back...)
But that's definitely how I see it: If you're genuine friends with your girlfriends for a long time (as well as enjoying jumping each other's bones), then we've at least stacked the deck in our favor... hopefully.

I'm not in agreement with having lots and lots of children. Each to their own, but this isn't something for me. I am happy with one child who I can focus all my love and attention on and I don't see the need to have anymore. It's only because I think so highly of my girlfriend that I'm open to having another. But that would be the absolute limit!

So two kids for me. If me and my partner break up for any reason I wouldn't entertain the idea with any other woman and so my kids would be capped at just the one.

That makes sense from your POV!
I don't have the "Viking warrior" wiring of @MarcosZeitola who just wants to spread his progeny all over the globe, LOL.
But the kicker with me that makes it totally different is that if I had only 1-4 kids, I'd be utterly emotionally devastated if something bad happened to even one of those few kids.
I've already had to bury enough friends and family members (not to mention pets) that it's done enough of a number on my emotions, and I'm not into being an "emo" sissy-man, so I just flat-out don't want to deal with investing 20+ years of trying to raise 1-4 kids only and then feel all !@#$ed up if something terrible happens to one or more of them.
So if it's time for me to start being a breeder, I'm going to go for gold and aim for at least 10+ kids, hopefully more.
(I'd still be emotional if one of 10-20 kids died or got bumped off or wrecked their life, but it wouldn't be the total trainwreck as if I only had 1-4 kids.)

So yeah, @MarcosZeitola and @Tsar can repopulate the earth after the vaccines etc kill off half the human population, and we'll all overthrow the international ZOG / NWO, but I'll modestly content myself with building some obscure tribe of a mere 10+ kids of my own.......... or if that doesn't work out, just content myself with wandering around womanizing as a single-handed sailor, with no kids to worry about at all, LOL.

[Outcast9428]

Polygamy is illegal virtually everywhere, and even in the countries where it is legal, you have to prove that you're capable of financially supporting multiple wives, which, virtually nobody in the Middle East can unless they're very rich. In some of these countries, the woman can also forbid her husband from having multiple wives. In most of them, you must also legally register as Muslim. Given that the majority of the men on this forum have a severe aversion to any kind of labor, I don't see them even reaching a respectable middle class status in the countries they are talking about going to much less becoming part of the upper class.

Not true at all:
Here's a big list of countries where it's either fully legal or allowed under customary laws, or "decriminalized" and tolerated (so you can still do it, as long as you do your due diligence to find out how the laws and customs work there):
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... y-is-legal

I personally decided against polygamy for my own sake (not romantic enough for me, too much drama amongst wives even if it's fully legally and culturally endorsed, etc), despite my also liking having a lot of women, and swinging way more toward "conservatism" in the sense of wanting to get clannish with people in an extended family, and band together to defend families against homosexuality and so on.

But FYI to both @willymonfrete who wants multiple wives + @Outcast9428 claiming polygamy is supposedly barely practiced anywhere:

There's quite a few countries where polygamy is still legal, but also tons of them where it is still practiced despite not being formally sanctioned (including some of the nations Outcast delusionally claims to be supposed bastions of sexual conservatism and virgins, like sexpat-central Thailand with its mass exploitative sex industry, plague of homos and ladyboys, and also polygamy being practiced there as well, not to mention the monstrous giant snakes, LOL):

I have my own list of preferred countries that's pretty solidified at this point (mostly island nations + Uganda / Kenya / Ghana), but countries I'd otherwise be glad to live in personally, polygamy is either fully legal, or else not technically fully legalized, but allowed under customary laws or "decriminalized" and tolerated regardless.
Examples from the link above:
Botswana
Brazil
Cambodia
Gambia (legal up to 4 wives, LOL, they even have a bit of sailing there, LOL)
Indonesia (varies by province)
Kenya (high-level top choice for me already even though I decided against polygamy personally, heheh)
Laos
Madagascar
Malaysia (awesome but not suitable for me because I don't want to upset them, LOL, but it is legal there for Muslims)
Mauritius
Phillipines (if you're a Muslim)
Sao Tome and Principe (another interesting choice for me if I was bound for Africa )
Tanzania
Thailand (just guard all the wives you're hodling carefully, because otherwise @CaptainSkelebob might storm back in there and put a beating on you and bang all your wives, even if the giant snakes and schizo ladyboys don't get you 1st, hahah)
Uganda (my #1 choice in Africa, damn those guys are giga-based homophobes, LOL, and so are the beautiful Ugandan women!!)
Zambia

That’s the exact list I was referring to, it being legal almost exclusively in Africa and the Middle East is not a large number of nations, I swear you don’t even read your own sources.

[willymonfrete]

Polygamy is illegal virtually everywhere, and even in the countries where it is legal, you have to prove that you're capable of financially supporting multiple wives, which, virtually nobody in the Middle East can unless they're very rich. In some of these countries, the woman can also forbid her husband from having multiple wives. In most of them, you must also legally register as Muslim. Given that the majority of the men on this forum have a severe aversion to any kind of labor, I don't see them even reaching a respectable middle class status in the countries they are talking about going to much less becoming part of the upper class.

Not true at all:
Here's a big list of countries where it's either fully legal or allowed under customary laws, or "decriminalized" and tolerated (so you can still do it, as long as you do your due diligence to find out how the laws and customs work there):
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... y-is-legal

I personally decided against polygamy for my own sake (not romantic enough for me, too much drama amongst wives even if it's fully legally and culturally endorsed, etc), despite my also liking having a lot of women, and swinging way more toward "conservatism" in the sense of wanting to get clannish with people in an extended family, and band together to defend families against homosexuality and so on.

But FYI to both @willymonfrete who wants multiple wives + @Outcast9428 claiming polygamy is supposedly barely practiced anywhere:

There's quite a few countries where polygamy is still legal, but also tons of them where it is still practiced despite not being formally sanctioned (including some of the nations Outcast delusionally claims to be supposed bastions of sexual conservatism and virgins, like sexpat-central Thailand with its mass exploitative sex industry, plague of homos and ladyboys, and also polygamy being practiced there as well, not to mention the monstrous giant snakes, LOL):

I have my own list of preferred countries that's pretty solidified at this point (mostly island nations + Uganda / Kenya / Ghana), but countries I'd otherwise be glad to live in personally, polygamy is either fully legal, or else not technically fully legalized, but allowed under customary laws or "decriminalized" and tolerated regardless.
Examples from the link above:
Botswana
Brazil
Cambodia
Gambia (legal up to 4 wives, LOL, they even have a bit of sailing there, LOL)
Indonesia (varies by province)
Kenya (high-level top choice for me already even though I decided against polygamy personally, heheh)
Laos
Madagascar
Malaysia (awesome but not suitable for me because I don't want to upset them, LOL, but it is legal there for Muslims)
Mauritius
Phillipines (if you're a Muslim)
Sao Tome and Principe (another interesting choice for me if I was bound for Africa )
Tanzania
Thailand (just guard all the wives you're hodling carefully, because otherwise @CaptainSkelebob might storm back in there and put a beating on you and bang all your wives, even if the giant snakes and schizo ladyboys don't get you 1st, hahah)
Uganda (my #1 choice in Africa, damn those guys are giga-based homophobes, LOL, and so are the beautiful Ugandan women!!)
Zambia

While I don't like homophobia,I agree with your comment to a extent,but I think since i'm a sunni muslim,practically getting atleast a second wife will be very easy.

As a Muslim,I can have a muslim redbone,a berber,a arab,a East Asian woman.I am not limited to just african women.

though I just want rural arab or berber women,even though I like everything,this is good enough for me.

[MrMan]

Polygamy is illegal virtually everywhere, and even in the countries where it is legal, you have to prove that you're capable of financially supporting multiple wives, which, virtually nobody in the Middle East can unless they're very rich. In some of these countries, the woman can also forbid her husband from having multiple wives. In most of them, you must also legally register as Muslim. Given that the majority of the men on this forum have a severe aversion to any kind of labor, I don't see them even reaching a respectable middle class status in the countries they are talking about going to much less becoming part of the upper class.

Not true at all:
Here's a big list of countries where it's either fully legal or allowed under customary laws, or "decriminalized" and tolerated (so you can still do it, as long as you do your due diligence to find out how the laws and customs work there):
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... y-is-legal

I personally decided against polygamy for my own sake (not romantic enough for me, too much drama amongst wives even if it's fully legally and culturally endorsed, etc), despite my also liking having a lot of women, and swinging way more toward "conservatism" in the sense of wanting to get clannish with people in an extended family, and band together to defend families against homosexuality and so on.

But FYI to both @willymonfrete who wants multiple wives + @Outcast9428 claiming polygamy is supposedly barely practiced anywhere:

There's quite a few countries where polygamy is still legal, but also tons of them where it is still practiced despite not being formally sanctioned (including some of the nations Outcast delusionally claims to be supposed bastions of sexual conservatism and virgins, like sexpat-central Thailand with its mass exploitative sex industry, plague of homos and ladyboys, and also polygamy being practiced there as well, not to mention the monstrous giant snakes, LOL):

I have my own list of preferred countries that's pretty solidified at this point (mostly island nations + Uganda / Kenya / Ghana), but countries I'd otherwise be glad to live in personally, polygamy is either fully legal, or else not technically fully legalized, but allowed under customary laws or "decriminalized" and tolerated regardless.
Examples from the link above:
Botswana
Brazil
Cambodia
Gambia (legal up to 4 wives, LOL, they even have a bit of sailing there, LOL)
Indonesia (varies by province)
Kenya (high-level top choice for me already even though I decided against polygamy personally, heheh)
Laos
Madagascar
Malaysia (awesome but not suitable for me because I don't want to upset them, LOL, but it is legal there for Muslims)
Mauritius
Phillipines (if you're a Muslim)
Sao Tome and Principe (another interesting choice for me if I was bound for Africa )
Tanzania
Thailand (just guard all the wives you're hodling carefully, because otherwise @CaptainSkelebob might storm back in there and put a beating on you and bang all your wives, even if the giant snakes and schizo ladyboys don't get you 1st, hahah)
Uganda (my #1 choice in Africa, damn those guys are giga-based homophobes, LOL, and so are the beautiful Ugandan women!!)
Zambia

While I don't like homophobia,I agree with your comment to a extent,but I think since i'm a sunni muslim,practically getting atleast a second wife will be very easy.

As a Muslim,I can have a muslim redbone,a berber,a arab,a East Asian woman.I am not limited to just african women.

though I just want rural arab or berber women,even though I like everything,this is good enough for me.

In the early 2000's an Islamic TV-preacher took a second wife, and it was a big deal in the media. But in general, polygamy is not highly appreciated in Indonesia. It's a rare thing to have formal polygamy, though I did hear about 'isteri simpanan' (hidden away wife) where the man keeps either a mistress, or a mistress he marries secretly.

I did get a taxi ride from a taxi driver who started telling me and whoever else was in the car, probably my wife, about how he go an isteri simpanan and then told his first wife about it. His second wife works and has plenty of money, but he has to provide for both of them. They live separately. It's a rare thing. I saw some video about an organization or movement in Malaysia that promotes polygamy and wifely obedience.

There aren't any wars wiping out the male population of Indonesia en masse right now (that I know of). Polygamy doesn't make sociological sense from that perspective even if Indonesia has a lot of Muslims. There are wealthy men who have paid mistresses or those who upgrade them by marrying them in the mosque. I heard about a Dutch guy (who I'd just met briefly once) who had a wife back home who eventually married his long-time young Indonesian mistress, who another fellow Dutch guy had had a brief affair with when the first one hadn't married her. I've also known of non-Muslims who married a woman in a mosque to have another wife on the side or to get divorced and marry someone else. Maybe they formally converted according to the rules of Islam. Sometimes it is to have a wife to have children with if the first one is barren. If they are from a Christian background, they can get kicked out of the church for this. I don't know if there is a 'pious Muslim' movement toward polygamy in Indonesia. There could be. But if an Indonesian woman has a choice between being the only wife or just one wife, she will usually go for the former rather than the latter, even the Muslim women. The last I heard, there were rules against government officials having more than one wife, and the mainstream society, rules, laws, etc. isn't really set up to cater to polygamy.

[WilliamSmith]

Polygamy is illegal virtually everywhere, and even in the countries where it is legal, you have to prove that you're capable of financially supporting multiple wives, which, virtually nobody in the Middle East can unless they're very rich. In some of these countries, the woman can also forbid her husband from having multiple wives. In most of them, you must also legally register as Muslim. Given that the majority of the men on this forum have a severe aversion to any kind of labor, I don't see them even reaching a respectable middle class status in the countries they are talking about going to much less becoming part of the upper class.

Not true at all:
Here's a big list of countries where it's either fully legal or allowed under customary laws, or "decriminalized" and tolerated (so you can still do it, as long as you do your due diligence to find out how the laws and customs work there):
https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... y-is-legal

I personally decided against polygamy for my own sake (not romantic enough for me, too much drama amongst wives even if it's fully legally and culturally endorsed, etc), despite my also liking having a lot of women, and swinging way more toward "conservatism" in the sense of wanting to get clannish with people in an extended family, and band together to defend families against homosexuality and so on.

But FYI to both @willymonfrete who wants multiple wives + @Outcast9428 claiming polygamy is supposedly barely practiced anywhere:

There's quite a few countries where polygamy is still legal, but also tons of them where it is still practiced despite not being formally sanctioned (including some of the nations Outcast delusionally claims to be supposed bastions of sexual conservatism and virgins, like sexpat-central Thailand with its mass exploitative sex industry, plague of homos and ladyboys, and also polygamy being practiced there as well, not to mention the monstrous giant snakes, LOL):

I have my own list of preferred countries that's pretty solidified at this point (mostly island nations + Uganda / Kenya / Ghana), but countries I'd otherwise be glad to live in personally, polygamy is either fully legal, or else not technically fully legalized, but allowed under customary laws or "decriminalized" and tolerated regardless.
Examples from the link above:
Botswana
Brazil
Cambodia
Gambia (legal up to 4 wives, LOL, they even have a bit of sailing there, LOL)
Indonesia (varies by province)
Kenya (high-level top choice for me already even though I decided against polygamy personally, heheh)
Laos
Madagascar
Malaysia (awesome but not suitable for me because I don't want to upset them, LOL, but it is legal there for Muslims)
Mauritius
Phillipines (if you're a Muslim)
Sao Tome and Principe (another interesting choice for me if I was bound for Africa )
Tanzania
Thailand (just guard all the wives you're hodling carefully, because otherwise @CaptainSkelebob might storm back in there and put a beating on you and bang all your wives, even if the giant snakes and schizo ladyboys don't get you 1st, hahah)
Uganda (my #1 choice in Africa, damn those guys are giga-based homophobes, LOL, and so are the beautiful Ugandan women!!)
Zambia

That’s the exact list I was referring to, it being legal almost exclusively in Africa and the Middle East is not a large number of nations, I swear you don’t even read your own sources.

@Outcast9428
I'm the one who does read the source, you're the one who looked at it and apparently struck off all the non-African and non-Middle Eastern countries in the list before declaring that it's "legal almost exclusively in Africa and the Middle East."

Depending on how territories are counted up, there's only somewhere around 197 countries in the world, and there's over 70 countries on the polygamy list. That is not "illegal virtually everywhere" by any stretch of the imagination.
And even just eyeballing the list I count up at least a dozen countries throughout Asia and some island nations as well that have nothing to do with either Africa or the Middle East (though I've never argued that the majority of the 70+ nations where it's allowed are in those regions, which is obviously the case).
Five of the nations in my own personal list of prospects I'd have considered (which are only my picks off the much larger linked list) are Asian, including some of the ones you're always saying are supposedly bastions of traditional monogamy (with or without your argument that "Asians" are supposedly less biologically promiscuous), and they are in the broader category of where polygamy is not strictly legal yet still practiced due to it being allowed under customary laws or "decriminalized" and tolerated, which was a large part of my point.

It's not subjective:
Exact quote from you:

"Polygamy is illegal virtually everywhere"

Exact quote from me along with the link with a huge list of 70+ countries where it's legal or allowed and practiced:

"Not true at all:
Here's a big list of countries where it's either fully legal or allowed under customary laws, or "decriminalized" and tolerated (so you can still do it, as long as you do your due diligence to find out how the laws and customs work there)"

(And as I explained, over a dozen of the countries are not anything to do with Africa or the Middle East.