Being a "Nice Guy" Actually Does Work...

[Cornfed]

It's his only crime

Other than promoting feminism/Satanism while pretending to be conservative.

[Tsar]

I disagree. It works for guys lucky enough to defy statistical probability and get a very uncommon outcome. Much like beating the odds and winning a lottery.

The way that I understand human nature and reality is that people can't be weak.

Men must be assertive. There cannot be equality in a relationship, one person must be dominant as in the leader of the relationship, and the other submissive as in a follow. A man must be a King. He'll listen to the suggestions or advice of his Queen Consort, buy he doesn't bow to her commands.

Likewise, being nice to everyone isn't a good idea. Imagine someone effectively says to your face, an insult about you, in front of your girl. Or someone says something disrespectful to your girl, either because it's sexually suggestive or impolite. Either you must be assertive and respond, or have a bodyguard or thug you're friends with (or on your payroll) willing to attack on your command so you can keep your hands clean but still display some aggression.

Men cannot be weak or meek. That's not how the natural world works. The strong should help the weak, but if nice equals weakness, then I understand why nice guys often get rejected.

Girls want to know a guy can be assertive and can be dominant. That he can say no, draw lines in the sand, will stand up to her if she gets out of line, and is willing to breakup with her if she crosses certain lines. She wants to know he can defend her and himself, at least in some contexts.

Can girls sometimes accept nice guys that are weak or meek, or both? Sure but that's a tiny percentage that's extremely rare because it's not typical programming for how girls are wired.

Girls can like some qualities that the stereotype "Nice Guy" has, but those aren't specific to "nice guys" because they're traits.

"Nice Guy" is a stereotype. Most girls won't like the stereotype in reality.

Girls might like "a guy that is nice" because "a guy that is nice" can also have assertive and dominant traits.

Bad boy is also a stereotype.

Maybe girls go for bad boys not because they're bad but because they go for what they want, are often more assertive, and are more bold.

Sure, many can be bad choices, but the girls are probably drawn to the traits.

I assume that girls would typically prefer a guy who has the best traits of a stereotype nice guy with the best traits of a stereotype bad boy.

The mistake that modern society makes is telling guys too be weak, meek, docile, always ask for permission, to always care about a girl's feelings, and to effectively be more of her knight instead of her king. It teaches boys that they should win a girl, like they're lesser, and have to prove something to a girl.

Girls don't care about guys who are trying to prove that they're worthy of her. Girls want a guy who genuinely believes that he's already worthy.

I think a "balanced guy" is what girls want most. They more often choose a bad boy instead of a nice guy because there's not too many people who understand human nature.

Most gentleman by historic standards weren't nice guys as seen today. Gentleman were respectable, noble, and had a sense of honor but they weren't meek, weak, or timid. They could command and control a woman because he was a patriarch. Today's men, especially nice guys, don't often have the strength of historic men.

The best comparison would be an MMORPG game. In the latest patch, the system is reworked, and now, playing on the standard class settings of "Nice Guy" and "Bad Boy" were broken. Nice guy would often win as the default because the system was designed for respectable guys, and Nice Guys are obviously more respectable. However, a Patch that changes the combat system or a system rules, made the Bad Boys more powerful as the default. Obviously, customizable character classes will be much better. However, most people are somewhat lazy so they play on default classes and the standard paths of progression for their pre-set character class.

Everything in life is just a game or a recipe. It can be broken down to basic elements and compounds and formulas and principles. The sooner people realize everything is just a game or can be broken down to it's basic forms, the more they can begin to understand how everything works and why.

I long thought about building everything up, but then I decided to think about breaking everything down, and then I thought about other things. I think that changing perspectives is necessary to see the greatest truths of reality.

Stereotypes can be statistically accurate but a more accurate system would be to just use statistics, sociology, economics, sociocultural factors, psychology, and other information to create a scientific approach to identify and predict behaviors, successes and failures, and what is responsible for those successes and failures.

Another reason is desperation. If a guy seems too desperate, most girls would find that a turnoff. Girls aren't like guys. A guy will often think it's great he doesn't have competition. A girl will feel more special if a guy chooses her over other girls. She'll feel that she was special enough to win his heart and charm him. Some guys might feel some sense of achievement if they win a girl that had a lot of competition, but for the majority of guys, they wouldn't care and competition isn't necessary. A guy can feel happy and special just being with a beautiful girl. Girls often compete for a guy that's already taken because they want to win his affection and because he's also been vetted as being desirable. It doesn't work for all guys, but for many, it does work, where being taken increases the probability of girls having more desire to be with a guy.

Human nature is science.

According to Wikipedia, these are the traits of a "Nice Guy"

A man who is agreeable, gentle, compassionate, sensitive and vulnerable. A man who puts the needs of others before his own, avoids confrontations, does favors, provides emotional support, tries to stay out of trouble, and generally acts nicely towards others. In the context of a relationship, it may also refer to traits of honesty, loyalty, romanticism, courtesy, and respect. When used negatively, a nice guy implies a man who is unassertive or otherwise "non-masculine".

None of those things are applicable to only a "Nice Guy" and everyone knows that most girls don't want what they say they want.

Let's break it down:
Agreeable: Too agreeable means you're a pushover
Gentle: Too gentle means you can't do necessary aggression
Sensitive: You can't be too sensitive because girls don't want a whiny guy or crybaby
Vulnerable: Girls can enjoy that, especially because girls have a nurturing instinct deep inside and vulnerability increases trust
Putting Others Needs Before Your Own: Well, I don't do this! My needs come first. If other people want to be a sacrificial Nice Guy, sure, let them, but I am not a Nice Guy. My needs are #1. Girls like a guy who is willing to be #1 and a leader. She should know she needs to stick with him and earn her place beside him.
Avoids confrontations: A guy can't avoid every confrontation, sometimes it's important to know when to fight.
Does favors: Some favors are okay, but the favors need reciprocation. Anyone who does favors without getting rewarded is either a simp, loser, or loves getting used and taken advantage of. A man cannot be too willing to do favors for girls, but also got anyone.
Provides emotional support: Sure, if there's a genuine friendship or a genuine relationship. But if it's just any random girl you are acquainted with or a girl that friend zoned you, and she continues to have breakups or complain, then just drop her. She can find another shoulder to cry on because she's probably happy to have a soap opera life. You're contributing to her lifestyle as a drama queen on a soap opera. Nice guys typically do that and wonder why things don't work out for them.
Tries to stay out of trouble: Trouble? As in what? Sure, you shouldn't go vandalizing, starting unprovoked fights, or speeding down roads. You shouldn't go drunk driving or anything. But if a guy is obsessed with rules and following every arbitrary illegitimate laws that governments make, then they're just not fun or dominant enough. Sometimes people must break laws, cheat, and risk trouble for success. Girls want a guy that's willing to risk getting in trouble to win because girls want a winner, girls don't want a loser.
Acts nicely towards others: Respect goes two ways. If someone isn't nice, then a guy shouldn't be nice to another person who isn't nice. Reciprocity!

The romantic traits of honesty, loyalty, romanticism, courtesy, and respect should be found on any relationship. Any respectable person has those traits.

So, considering all the traits aren't applicable to "Nice Guys" then it's definitely true that more often than not, a "Nice Guy" comes down to one negative trait: unassertive.

Unassertive also implies submissive. A submissive guy isn't dominant. Therefore, the guy isn't masculine enough because a girl wants a guy that's willing to be assertive.

Some of the other "Nice Guy" traits if too extreme would also make a guy a pushover.

Therefore, it's easy to see why "Nice Guys" aren't able to get most girls. It's because they don't understand human nature and all it's nuances and the true nature of females. They can't act like a White Knight Loser that simps for girls and constantly treats all girls like Queens. A guy shouldn't be a Prince Charming unless the girl proves she's a princess and then says yes to a real relationship.

Girls want a challenge and to know a guy isn't desperate and to feel like they won him over.

Society has been teaching guys that it's guys who need to win over a girl, but that is desperation. A guy doesn't need to win over a girl, he just needs to get her to fall for him, and that happens with time and using the correct psychological strategy for the girl and the strategy can be determined by statistics, demographics, her socioeconomic background, culture, and nationality.

Getting a girl as a "Nice Guy" isn't a strategy for a high probability of success. At best, it's maybe a 1% odds. Younger guys who have it work or guys who get girlfriends that are under 21-22 could be considered lucky and statistical outliers because they managed to fall outside the majority of the overall population. At least 95% of people won't have any success with just being a "Nice Guy" because let's face it, the majority of true Incels are "Nice Guys" and they prove "Nice Guys" most often lose.

Sure, maybe at higher age brackets, a 30 year old woman will find it more appealing because she's desperate to find a Beta Bucks Provider Baby Daddy to "settle down" with, and yes, she is settling, and the guy would be a Cuck for accepting a Cock Carousel Cum Dumpster Slut. If a guy wins as a "Nice Guy" in this paragraph's scenario, then he's a Loser! She wants a "Nice Guy" because she's being selfish and wants the best provider, at least for several years until the most probably divorce happens because she is a Slut incapable of love, bonding, or any sort of loyalty, and she doesn't respect her weak loser Cuck of a Beta Bucks husband.

I would suggest guys be a Balanced Guy, not a Nice Guy, because Balanced Guys are typically the most successful with girls.

In reality, most girls choose Bad Boys over Nice Guys, purely because they appeal to the nature of young females more than Nice Guys.

Nice Guys should change and become more Balanced Guys who acquire traits that appeal more to females.

[Cornfed]

Other than promoting feminism/Satanism while pretending to be conservative.

Honestly anyone here who doesn't have at least 5 kids and rules over his clan with the iron will of a Taliban warlord is just a phony at this point.

That's a silly arbitrary qualification. Most of us were never in a position to do that.

[Lucas88]

Yep... women likes men with masculine energy. It has been that way for several thousands of years. However, they couldn't find that kind of energy in average men nowadays because of all the feminist, socialist, nanny state brainwashing in the West.

So I think that's why women wants to date with thugs, badboys, degenerates, serial killers, gangbangers, pimps, etc. Although they are dangerous and unstable, they do emit masculine energy.

Being a nice guy is just icing on the cake. It is not the "end all" magic bullet to get women in bed.

There are probably multiple reasons for which a subset of women go after thugs, gangbangers and "bad boys". Social phenomena are rarely reducible to one single factor.

I grew up in a bit of a rough town and so I've observed quite a few bad boys and wannabe thug types from afar.

I think that the first reason for the attraction of some thug-lovers is because those women are into the same lifestyle. Those guys aren't always just posing around acting tough. They're giving those girls drugs and thereby facilitating their hedonistic escapades. Yes, drugs are a major problem here in the UK. Even in my small humble town people are taking drugs in pubs at the weekend. Dealers are everywhere. Some druggy criminal types use the offer of drugs to entice drug-using females and drug-using females in turn date those guys for easy access to drugs. Let's be clear. This class of females is garbage. They're ghetto druggy trash hooking up with other druggies.

Then I think that the toxic media has a negative effect. In recent decades we've seen the elevation of "rap music" and all of those videos on MTV that glorify the "gangsta" lifestyle and try to make it look "cool". Teenagers and young adults then emulate this lifestyle in order to fit in. Of course, this kind of masculinity is completely denatured. The message is that a real man is a sociopathic thug who only cares about money, fast cars and "street cred", is involved in crime, takes drugs and pimps "hoes". This completely skewed ideal of masculinity is obviously a product of social engineering in order to ruin many Gentiles, especially those who come from impoverished communities. (((They))) want many of us hooked on drugs, dumb as shit, doped up on weed 24/7 and killing each other over dumb shit. But, as I was saying, teenage girls have been conditioned to associate that toxic lifestyle with proper masculinity as well as coolness and so they seek out thuggish guys.

After that, I think that there could be another subset of women who go after bad boys because they seem to be one of the few groups of men displaying any kind of masculinity at all these days. With healthy and authentic forms of masculinity in decline and so many completely pussified and unmasculine "men" everywhere, it follows that some women would prefer a masculine bad boy despite his toxicity over a nice but pussified dweeb. I guess they'd rather take a chance with the masculine bad boy despite the potential risks simply because the other option is so unappealing. In fact, I've heard some women talk about this. They say that they are only attracted to masculine guys and are repulsed by unmasculine guys (I don't blame them). So, if a large portion of guys are now unmasculine, those girls don't have many viable options outside of bad boys, as potentially risky as that may be.

Finally, of course, there are psychological reasons like hybristophilia.

The social engineers are trying to distort healthy masculinity by simultaneously pushing it towards two extremes. On the one hand we have the completely pussified unmasculine dweeb with no warrior spirit and no will to fight back and on the other hand the delinquent thug whose only aspirations are to commit crime, take drugs and engage in the most idiotic senseless bullshit.

[Cornfed]

A smart father would not tell his son: "Son, be a nice guy and you'll get girls." Instead, he'd tell his son to work out, play sports, be sociable, be fit, make money and be a man of quality.

He'd want to skip the last part to get Western skanks.

[Tsar]

No man ever got a high-quality girl with "being nice" as his sole qualifying factor.

That's true. The single trait of "being nice" doesn't bring anything unique or valuable to a relationship. A guy won't be successful if is only a "Nice Guy" because it's secondary.

[WanderingProtagonist]

Yep... women likes men with masculine energy. It has been that way for several thousands of years. However, they couldn't find that kind of energy in average men nowadays because of all the feminist, socialist, nanny state brainwashing in the West.

So I think that's why women wants to date with thugs, badboys, degenerates, serial killers, gangbangers, pimps, etc. Although they are dangerous and unstable, they do emit masculine energy.

Being a nice guy is just icing on the cake. It is not the "end all" magic bullet to get women in bed.

There are probably multiple reasons for which a subset of women go after thugs, gangbangers and "bad boys". Social phenomena are rarely reducible to one single factor.

I grew up in a bit of a rough town and so I've observed quite a few bad boys and wannabe thug types from afar.

I think that the first reason for the attraction of some thug-lovers is because those women are into the same lifestyle. Those guys aren't always just posing around acting tough. They're giving those girls drugs and thereby facilitating their hedonistic escapades. Yes, drugs are a major problem here in the UK. Even in my small humble town people are taking drugs in pubs at the weekend. Dealers are everywhere. Some druggy criminal types use the offer of drugs to entice drug-using females and drug-using females in turn date those guys for easy access to drugs. Let's be clear. This class of females is garbage. They're ghetto druggy trash hooking up with other druggies.

Then I think that the toxic media has a negative effect. In recent decades we've seen the elevation of "rap music" and all of those videos on MTV that glorify the "gangsta" lifestyle and try to make it look "cool". Teenagers and young adults then emulate this lifestyle in order to fit in. Of course, this kind of masculinity is completely denatured. The message is that a real man is a sociopathic thug who only cares about money, fast cars and "street cred", is involved in crime, takes drugs and pimps "hoes". This completely skewed ideal of masculinity is obviously a product of social engineering in order to ruin many Gentiles, especially those who come from impoverished communities. (((They))) want many of us hooked on drugs, dumb as shit, doped up on weed 24/7 and killing each other over dumb shit. But, as I was saying, teenage girls have been conditioned to associate that toxic lifestyle with proper masculinity as well as coolness and so they seek out thuggish guys.

After that, I think that there could be another subset of women who go after bad boys because they seem to be one of the few groups of men displaying any kind of masculinity at all these days. With healthy and authentic forms of masculinity in decline and so many completely pussified and unmasculine "men" everywhere, it follows that some women would prefer a masculine bad boy despite his toxicity over a nice but pussified dweeb. I guess they'd rather take a chance with the masculine bad boy despite the potential risks simply because the other option is so unappealing. In fact, I've heard some women talk about this. They say that they are only attracted to masculine guys and are repulsed by unmasculine guys (I don't blame them). So, if a large portion of guys are now unmasculine, those girls don't have many viable options outside of bad boys, as potentially risky as that may be.

Finally, of course, there are psychological reasons like hybristophilia.

The social engineers are trying to distort healthy masculinity by simultaneously pushing it towards two extremes. On the one hand we have the completely pussified unmasculine dweeb with no warrior spirit and no will to fight back and on the other hand the delinquent thug whose only aspirations are to commit crime, take drugs and engage in the most idiotic senseless bullshit.

To be fair women have no right to judge men for being the way that they are, they f***ing created them. I hate women of the modern era because they all have a hood bitch mentality. Yeah they rather date assholes who kill for a living because that's so much better than being with a "wimp" according to their low valued asses. They rather date guys who sell kids into sex slavery or some mutha f***er who killed women and wear their skin because that's so much more exciting and satisfying. A lot of women these days are shit, they f**k animals, even little boys if it'll give them some kind of rush, and the usual assholes then have the nerve to whine and bitch about how "weak" and pussified men are. When they aint no good themselves.

Men only became the way they are because women spent decades whining about being oppressed, controlled, and everything else. Then they get involved with shitty men on purpose and complain about being abused. Lets not forget the ones who flood their own country full of violent Islamic men and then put even their own daughters at risk of being gang raped and groomed.

They can't even decide what the f**k they want. I wouldn't listen to anything women of this current era have to say because they created this environment we have. People are also different all over, not every man is the same. Some guys don't want to be masculine and some women don't want to be feminine. Therefore women get to be feminine and unfeminine and guys will still chase after them regardless of what role they choose to play. Even masculine women don't have a hard time getting attention. A lot of men gave up on women because there are some men who simply refuse to be something or someone they aren't just to please women.

Women these days are impossible to control or lead in the West unless they are open about wanting to be lead by a man but most women simply want to fight and debate with who holds the power in a relationship. I don't know about anyone else but I gave up on women years ago because I'm tired of trying to be something I'm not just to make the fuckers happy. A lot of men choose to be pussified because that's an easier choice for them and because a lot of these guys nowadays are afraid to try to lead women knowing how these women will react. Criminals don't give a shit but they aren't desirable by worthy women in the first place. At the age of 36 I realized I've become painfully tired and irritated with women. The one benefit that homosexuals do have over heterosexual people is ACCEPTANCE.

They just have to be themselves and people who find them attractive of the same sex will accept them. When it comes down to the opposite sex, you have to be this, or be that otherwise you have useless aint shit women whining about you or judging you for being yourself. My brother is a very passive man and he'll probably never meet a woman. Me on the other hand I have an aggression problem due to my health and mental issues but I'll never find a woman either at least not one worth shit, the best I can probably get is one of those females that like damaged men such as myself so they can try to "change" or "fix" then leave once the challenge is complete but I would never give such dipshits the time of day. I have no interest in such BS games. In college I made a lot of people uncomfortable because of my aggressive attitude.

[Outcast9428]

Other than promoting feminism/Satanism while pretending to be conservative.

Honestly anyone here who doesn't have at least 5 kids and rules over his clan with the iron will of a Taliban warlord is just a phony at this point.

That's a silly arbitrary qualification. Most of us were never in a position to do that.

No more silly and arbitrary then your qualifications are. Your qualifications apparently are A. Demand a virgin wife… Which as I’ve shown was already an unpopular belief even in the 1920s. Only 12% of men back then demanded premarital chastity, so what? 88% of men in the 1920s were Satanic left wing feminists?

The other being that you need to believe that women should be forced to dress modestly… I looked it up and even in Saudi Arabia, one of the only countries in the world where that kind of opinion would be popular… 47% of the population said that there shouldn’t be dress code requirements. So does that mean 47% of Saudis are now left wing feminists and Saudi Arabia is like… Barely a conservative country in your eyes?

The fact is, I’m the only person on this forum who’s actually living a lifestyle that is very similar to how a young person would’ve lived, and how a young person would have thought, back in 1950s America. I found a nice, 19 year old girl whom my parents and her parents set us up together. We’re monogamous, not indulging in any weird fetishes, and we plan to get married not too far off in the future. I’m also trying to get in a position where she can be a stay at home mom and I am the sole provider of the family. Yes we have premarital sex but so did over 80% of young people back in the 1950s.

[Cornfed]

A smart father would not tell his son: "Son, be a nice guy and you'll get girls." Instead, he'd tell his son to work out, play sports, be sociable, be fit, make money and be a man of quality.

He'd want to skip the last part to get Western skanks.

Oh he still needs to be a man of quality. It's just that in the West today, "quality" is measured differently: in inches, and in dollars, superficial charm and in attractive facial features.

Odd advice for a father to give to his son. In terms of traditional quality, things like forethought, morality, consideration etc. those things are at odds with mindless hedonism and so would be like kryptonite to Western skanks.

[Outcast9428]

Yep... women likes men with masculine energy. It has been that way for several thousands of years. However, they couldn't find that kind of energy in average men nowadays because of all the feminist, socialist, nanny state brainwashing in the West.

So I think that's why women wants to date with thugs, badboys, degenerates, serial killers, gangbangers, pimps, etc. Although they are dangerous and unstable, they do emit masculine energy.

Being a nice guy is just icing on the cake. It is not the "end all" magic bullet to get women in bed.

There are probably multiple reasons for which a subset of women go after thugs, gangbangers and "bad boys". Social phenomena are rarely reducible to one single factor.

I grew up in a bit of a rough town and so I've observed quite a few bad boys and wannabe thug types from afar.

I think that the first reason for the attraction of some thug-lovers is because those women are into the same lifestyle. Those guys aren't always just posing around acting tough. They're giving those girls drugs and thereby facilitating their hedonistic escapades. Yes, drugs are a major problem here in the UK. Even in my small humble town people are taking drugs in pubs at the weekend. Dealers are everywhere. Some druggy criminal types use the offer of drugs to entice drug-using females and drug-using females in turn date those guys for easy access to drugs. Let's be clear. This class of females is garbage. They're ghetto druggy trash hooking up with other druggies.

Then I think that the toxic media has a negative effect. In recent decades we've seen the elevation of "rap music" and all of those videos on MTV that glorify the "gangsta" lifestyle and try to make it look "cool". Teenagers and young adults then emulate this lifestyle in order to fit in. Of course, this kind of masculinity is completely denatured. The message is that a real man is a sociopathic thug who only cares about money, fast cars and "street cred", is involved in crime, takes drugs and pimps "hoes". This completely skewed ideal of masculinity is obviously a product of social engineering in order to ruin many Gentiles, especially those who come from impoverished communities. (((They))) want many of us hooked on drugs, dumb as shit, doped up on weed 24/7 and killing each other over dumb shit. But, as I was saying, teenage girls have been conditioned to associate that toxic lifestyle with proper masculinity as well as coolness and so they seek out thuggish guys.

After that, I think that there could be another subset of women who go after bad boys because they seem to be one of the few groups of men displaying any kind of masculinity at all these days. With healthy and authentic forms of masculinity in decline and so many completely pussified and unmasculine "men" everywhere, it follows that some women would prefer a masculine bad boy despite his toxicity over a nice but pussified dweeb. I guess they'd rather take a chance with the masculine bad boy despite the potential risks simply because the other option is so unappealing. In fact, I've heard some women talk about this. They say that they are only attracted to masculine guys and are repulsed by unmasculine guys (I don't blame them). So, if a large portion of guys are now unmasculine, those girls don't have many viable options outside of bad boys, as potentially risky as that may be.

Finally, of course, there are psychological reasons like hybristophilia.

The social engineers are trying to distort healthy masculinity by simultaneously pushing it towards two extremes. On the one hand we have the completely pussified unmasculine dweeb with no warrior spirit and no will to fight back and on the other hand the delinquent thug whose only aspirations are to commit crime, take drugs and engage in the most idiotic senseless bullshit.

To be fair women have no right to judge men for being the way that they are, they f***ing created them. I hate women of the modern era because they all have a hood bitch mentality. Yeah they rather date assholes who kill for a living because that's so much better than being with a "wimp" according to their low valued asses. They rather date guys who sell kids into sex slavery or some mutha f***er who killed women and wear their skin because that's so much more exciting and satisfying. A lot of women these days are shit, they f**k animals, underage kids, and assholes then have the nerve to whine and bitch about how "weak" and pussified men are. When they aint no good themselves.

Men only became the way they are because women spent decades whining about being oppressed. Then they get involved with shitty men and complain about being abused. Lets not forget the ones who flood their own country full of violent Islamic men and then put even their own daughters at risk of being gang raped and groomed.

They can't even decide what the f**k they want. I wouldn't listen to anything women of this current era have to say because they created this environment we have. People are also different all over, not every man is the same. Some guys don't want to be masculine and some women don't want to be feminine. Therefore women get to be feminine and unfeminine and guys will still chase after them regardless of what role they choose to play. Even masculine women don't have a hard time getting attention. A lot of men gave up on women because there are some men who simply refuse to be something or someone they aren't just to please women.

This is the most based post I’ve seen so far…

This idea that men need to please women better has been a disaster. We need to stop worrying about conforming to the majority of women’s expectations and start instead demanding that women follow what we say is righteous. If we tell them that they should be attracted to good men instead of thugs then it doesn’t matter if she thinks he isn’t masculine enough or whatever… She has to do it. She’s a woman, she doesn’t make the rules… Men do, we built this society so we get to make the rules.

And the way we enforce this is that we give good girls a good life. We reward them, give them higher status and privileges and women who don’t do what we want them to… We punish them. That’s how a patriarchal society really works.

[Outcast9428]

@Tsar

No relationships do not need a dominant and submissive partner. You need to stop falling for modernist narratives. Also I never said men should be total pacifists. But you can be a nice guy without being a complete pacifist who refuses to stand up for himself.

[Cornfed]

This idea that men need to please women better has been a disaster. We need to stop worrying about conforming to the majority of women’s expectations and start instead demanding that women follow what we say

Your demands would be that they dress sluttishly and be sluts. They would indeed follow your demands, but they had that covered anyway.

If we tell them that they should be attracted to good men instead of thugs then it doesn’t matter if she thinks he isn’t masculine enough or whatever… She has to do it. She’s a woman, she doesn’t make the rules… Men do, we built this society so we get to make the rules.

And the way we enforce this is that we give good girls a good life. We reward them, give them higher status and privileges and women who don’t do what we want them to… We punish them. That’s how a patriarchal society really works.

The trouble there is that your fellow Satanists can create money out of thin air whereas actual traditionalist men can't. You are right about the mechanism of control, but it is working to make females horrible sluts, which is of course what you want.

[Outcast9428]

This idea that men need to please women better has been a disaster. We need to stop worrying about conforming to the majority of women’s expectations and start instead demanding that women follow what we say

Your demands would be that they dress sluttishly and be sluts. They would indeed follow your demands, but they had that covered anyway.

If we tell them that they should be attracted to good men instead of thugs then it doesn’t matter if she thinks he isn’t masculine enough or whatever… She has to do it. She’s a woman, she doesn’t make the rules… Men do, we built this society so we get to make the rules.

And the way we enforce this is that we give good girls a good life. We reward them, give them higher status and privileges and women who don’t do what we want them to… We punish them. That’s how a patriarchal society really works.

The trouble there is that your fellow Satanists can create money out of thin air whereas actual traditionalist men can't. You are right about the mechanism of control, but it is working to make females horrible sluts, which is of course what you want.

I see you have once again completely ignored all my points and won’t address them because you know your point of view is retarded and these points cannot be refuted.

[fschmidt]

Instead, he'd tell his son to work out, play sports, be sociable, be fit, make money and be a man of quality.

I did all this when I was younger, and I was totally incel. So I tell my son to look for a wife outside the West.

[Cornfed]

I see you have once again completely ignored all my points and won’t address them because you know your point of view is retarded and these points cannot be refuted.

The post does address your points. Maybe you need a reader at your end.