Crisis of Masculinity?

[Outcast9428]

On the internet and to some extent on the news. I keep hearing people claiming that there’s a crisis of masculinity. That men are becoming effeminate and that there’s “no real men anymore.” This claim is very confusing to me because I have not seen any difference in how guys act today compared to how they acted 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t understand what all this hand wringing is about. I mean, sure, every once in awhile I come across a guy who acts oddly effeminate but haven’t there always been a small numbers of guys like that? I mean Prince was back in the 80s and he acted kind of effeminate.

To me, guys act the same as they always have. Most guys are not super macho, work out all the time, have no feelings, get really angry and into fights all the time. It’s also not like you ever see guys wearing makeup or dresses or fixating on their hair. Most guys are just guys. They act like dudes but it’s subtle. I feel like the people who keep saying there’s a crisis of masculinity just want all guys to be at the gym all the time and getting into dumb fights at bars.

Sorry that most guys don’t want to look or behave like somebody on steroids. But I don’t think guys ever acted like that as a norm so where is this perception coming from?

Do you actually see guys around you becoming effeminate or are you just listening to news reports and people on the internet saying that’s what’s happening? And don’t use something from the entertainment industry either. I want to know if you actually have seen a large number of guys around you acting weirdly feminine? Because I haven’t. Guys seem the same as they’ve always been to me. My company has fired countless people this past year. I’ve probably met well over 100 dudes in the past year (no homo) and not one of them acted effeminate.

[WanderingProtagonist]

On the internet and to some extent on the news. I keep hearing people claiming that there’s a crisis of masculinity. That men are becoming effeminate and that there’s “no real men anymore.” This claim is very confusing to me because I have not seen any difference in how guys act today compared to how they acted 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t understand what all this hand wringing is about. I mean, sure, every once in awhile I come across a guy who acts oddly effeminate but haven’t there always been a small numbers of guys like that? I mean Prince was back in the 80s and he acted kind of effeminate.

To me, guys act the same as they always have. Most guys are not super macho, work out all the time, have no feelings, get really angry and into fights all the time. It’s also not like you ever see guys wearing makeup or dresses or fixating on their hair. Most guys are just guys. They act like dudes but it’s subtle. I feel like the people who keep saying there’s a crisis of masculinity just want all guys to be at the gym all the time and getting into dumb fights at bars.

Sorry that most guys don’t want to look or behave like somebody on steroids. But I don’t think guys ever acted like that as a norm so where is this perception coming from?

Do you actually see guys around you becoming effeminate or are you just listening to news reports and people on the internet saying that’s what’s happening? And don’t use something from the entertainment industry either. I want to know if you actually have seen a large number of guys around you acting weirdly feminine? Because I haven’t. Guys seem the same as they’ve always been to me. My company has fired countless people this past year. I’ve probably met well over 100 dudes in the past year (no homo) and not one of them acted effeminate.

All I know is 15 years ago BLACKED, self hating whites cucking out for black males and Cuckoldry shit wasn't popular. Enough said. So yes today shit is much worse, plus you have way more people going trans too.

[Outcast9428]

I think there’s a much bigger problem with girls acting masculine then there is of guys acting effeminate. But as always, the social pressure is on men to change into something women like better rather then for women to change into something men like better.

[Outcast9428]

On the internet and to some extent on the news. I keep hearing people claiming that there’s a crisis of masculinity. That men are becoming effeminate and that there’s “no real men anymore.” This claim is very confusing to me because I have not seen any difference in how guys act today compared to how they acted 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t understand what all this hand wringing is about. I mean, sure, every once in awhile I come across a guy who acts oddly effeminate but haven’t there always been a small numbers of guys like that? I mean Prince was back in the 80s and he acted kind of effeminate.

To me, guys act the same as they always have. Most guys are not super macho, work out all the time, have no feelings, get really angry and into fights all the time. It’s also not like you ever see guys wearing makeup or dresses or fixating on their hair. Most guys are just guys. They act like dudes but it’s subtle. I feel like the people who keep saying there’s a crisis of masculinity just want all guys to be at the gym all the time and getting into dumb fights at bars.

Sorry that most guys don’t want to look or behave like somebody on steroids. But I don’t think guys ever acted like that as a norm so where is this perception coming from?

Do you actually see guys around you becoming effeminate or are you just listening to news reports and people on the internet saying that’s what’s happening? And don’t use something from the entertainment industry either. I want to know if you actually have seen a large number of guys around you acting weirdly feminine? Because I haven’t. Guys seem the same as they’ve always been to me. My company has fired countless people this past year. I’ve probably met well over 100 dudes in the past year (no homo) and not one of them acted effeminate.

All I know is 15 years BLACKED and Cuckoldry shit wasn't popular. Enough said.

That’s internet shit though. Don’t use any examples that you gleaned from the internet. I want to know what people have actually seen in real life.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I think there’s a much bigger problem with girls acting masculine then there is of guys acting effeminate. But as always, the social pressure is on men to change into something women like better rather then for women to change into something men like better.

Well that's the fault of males though, women can act masculine and men will still be attracted to them regardless. Tomboy girls are attractive to some men but feminine men aren't attractive to any woman at all unless she just wants a guy she can humiliate. This reminds me of that one Japanese couple on youtube that did a video, the girl switched genders with her boyfriend. Sure they looked happy together but it just looks like they did that so the guy could be humiliated by turning himself trans while his girlfriend would still get attention regardless of her cutting her hair short and trying to look like a tomboy in a suit. Her boyfriend would be a sex object for guys with a tranny fetish while his girlfriend would get attention from men that actually desire her for something beyond sex.

[WanderingProtagonist]

On the internet and to some extent on the news. I keep hearing people claiming that there’s a crisis of masculinity. That men are becoming effeminate and that there’s “no real men anymore.” This claim is very confusing to me because I have not seen any difference in how guys act today compared to how they acted 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t understand what all this hand wringing is about. I mean, sure, every once in awhile I come across a guy who acts oddly effeminate but haven’t there always been a small numbers of guys like that? I mean Prince was back in the 80s and he acted kind of effeminate.

To me, guys act the same as they always have. Most guys are not super macho, work out all the time, have no feelings, get really angry and into fights all the time. It’s also not like you ever see guys wearing makeup or dresses or fixating on their hair. Most guys are just guys. They act like dudes but it’s subtle. I feel like the people who keep saying there’s a crisis of masculinity just want all guys to be at the gym all the time and getting into dumb fights at bars.

Sorry that most guys don’t want to look or behave like somebody on steroids. But I don’t think guys ever acted like that as a norm so where is this perception coming from?

Do you actually see guys around you becoming effeminate or are you just listening to news reports and people on the internet saying that’s what’s happening? And don’t use something from the entertainment industry either. I want to know if you actually have seen a large number of guys around you acting weirdly feminine? Because I haven’t. Guys seem the same as they’ve always been to me. My company has fired countless people this past year. I’ve probably met well over 100 dudes in the past year (no homo) and not one of them acted effeminate.

All I know is 15 years BLACKED and Cuckoldry shit wasn't popular. Enough said.

That’s internet shit though. Don’t use any examples that you gleaned from the internet. I want to know what people have actually seen in real life.

You call it internet shit when there are actual couples that get off on that, You got be blind if you think it's "internet shit" those real couples are using the internet also do that outside of the internet as well, so no it isn't internet shit. It's reality among people that make amatuer porn with their husbands/wives. And like I said none of that was mainstream all those years ago. Men who act like cuckolds online are obviously like that outside the internet too. There are a lot of men who will share their wives with other men, many years ago they weren't into that like they are now. People aren't going to openly share what they do like that anyways in public unless they just really want attention. Its funny how people talk like the internet isn't real life when people online are talking to actual human beings that they meet up with and do things with in privacy unless they are recording it which lots of people obviously do. And there are a shit ton of white men that get off on being humiliated by THEIR REAL WIVES. These aren't pornstars doing a job. And I've met plenty of homo acting males.

[Outcast9428]

I think there’s a much bigger problem with girls acting masculine then there is of guys acting effeminate. But as always, the social pressure is on men to change into something women like better rather then for women to change into something men like better.

Well that's the fault of males though, women can act masculine and men will still be attracted to them regardless. Tomboy girls are attractive to some men but feminine men aren't attractive to any woman at all unless she just wants a guy she can humiliate. But being attracted to him the way some guys are attracted tom girls, no.

The thing is, it feels to me like women are just complaining that men don’t want to act like dumb brutes. It’s not even a lack of masculinity they just don’t like that a very specific kind of masculinity is rare now. Yeah most guys today aren’t the type to go out into the woods, hunt and skin a deer and bring meat back and then go off to the bar, get drunk and punch some guy. But there’s a difference between not being super macho vs actually being effeminate. I mean, a guy who plays video games all day is technically acting masculine because almost no girl does that.

There’s much more of a crisis of femininity. Girls who think cursing all the time, smashing beer cans on their head and guzzling alcohol, or talking about other women in a very sexualized manner is cool. Too many girls want to “joke around with the guys.” Or girls who lack nurturing instincts and don’t seem romantic at all. Girls should be proactively searching for love and dreaming of their wedding day yet a lot of girls don’t do that. Why doesn’t the news talk about that?

[WanderingProtagonist]

I think there’s a much bigger problem with girls acting masculine then there is of guys acting effeminate. But as always, the social pressure is on men to change into something women like better rather then for women to change into something men like better.

Well that's the fault of males though, women can act masculine and men will still be attracted to them regardless. Tomboy girls are attractive to some men but feminine men aren't attractive to any woman at all unless she just wants a guy she can humiliate. But being attracted to him the way some guys are attracted tom girls, no.

The thing is, it feels to me like women are just complaining that men don’t want to act like dumb brutes. It’s not even a lack of masculinity they just don’t like that a very specific kind of masculinity is rare now. Yeah most guys today aren’t the type to go out into the woods, hunt and skin a deer and bring meat back and then go off to the bar, get drunk and punch some guy. But there’s a difference between not being super macho vs actually being effeminate. I mean, a guy who plays video games all day is technically acting masculine because almost no girl does that.

There’s much more of a crisis of femininity. Girls who think cursing all the time, smashing beer cans on their head and guzzling alcohol, or talking about other women in a very sexualized manner is cool. Too many girls want to “joke around with the guys.” Or girls who lack nurturing instincts and don’t seem romantic at all. Girls should be proactively searching for love and dreaming of their wedding day yet a lot of girls don’t do that. Why doesn’t the news talk about that?

Well I don't know, girls are acting like that in specific parts of the world. You won't find women In Japan acting all masculine even though some japanese anime's and shit do show women as masculine or leading men....Ahem Metal gear Solid Meryl because japan is guilty of trying to make females masculine in video games and anime's and they do this often. That's why female characters use way more profanity now than they ever did and that is the fault of Japanese men writing them like American men would write them....But I think it's more of a Western issue because Western countries promote it the most in movies, comic books, television. Sure other countries have their female heriones that kick people's asses but it's even more relevant in Western media than it is in foreign media aside from Asian flicks that have Asian women kicking people's asses but even despite that. Asian girls don't have those habits like the Western women, I think it's much worse among white women in Anglo societies like the UK, Australia, America, Canada.

The news won't talk about it because they don't want to say anything to offend women.
That's why video games no longer want highly attractive women characters anymore and why lately women characters look a lot more masculine. Femnism also took over a lot of media and they often want to show women in masculine roles. Damsel in Distress themes are also dead because even males be talking shit about them. Like some guy once said "I'm glad Princess Peach in the new Mario movie is no longer a Damsel and don't need mario to save her." He was talking like a straight up bitch ass feminist when he said that shit. I hear males all the time whining about women characters needing to be saved because they are the ones who suck up to feminism in media and act like a woman needing a man to save her is a bad thing so yes men are to blame for a lot of this stuff.

[Outcast9428]

On the internet and to some extent on the news. I keep hearing people claiming that there’s a crisis of masculinity. That men are becoming effeminate and that there’s “no real men anymore.” This claim is very confusing to me because I have not seen any difference in how guys act today compared to how they acted 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t understand what all this hand wringing is about. I mean, sure, every once in awhile I come across a guy who acts oddly effeminate but haven’t there always been a small numbers of guys like that? I mean Prince was back in the 80s and he acted kind of effeminate.

To me, guys act the same as they always have. Most guys are not super macho, work out all the time, have no feelings, get really angry and into fights all the time. It’s also not like you ever see guys wearing makeup or dresses or fixating on their hair. Most guys are just guys. They act like dudes but it’s subtle. I feel like the people who keep saying there’s a crisis of masculinity just want all guys to be at the gym all the time and getting into dumb fights at bars.

Sorry that most guys don’t want to look or behave like somebody on steroids. But I don’t think guys ever acted like that as a norm so where is this perception coming from?

Do you actually see guys around you becoming effeminate or are you just listening to news reports and people on the internet saying that’s what’s happening? And don’t use something from the entertainment industry either. I want to know if you actually have seen a large number of guys around you acting weirdly feminine? Because I haven’t. Guys seem the same as they’ve always been to me. My company has fired countless people this past year. I’ve probably met well over 100 dudes in the past year (no homo) and not one of them acted effeminate.

All I know is 15 years BLACKED and Cuckoldry shit wasn't popular. Enough said.

That’s internet shit though. Don’t use any examples that you gleaned from the internet. I want to know what people have actually seen in real life.

You call it internet shit when there are actual couples that get off on that, shows how little you even know. You got be blind if you think it's "internet shit" those real couples are using the internet also do that outside of the internet as well, so no it isn't internet shit. It's reality among people that make amatuer porn with their husbands/wives. And like I said none of that was mainstream all those years ago. Men who act like cuckolds online are obviously like that outside the internet too. There are a lot of men who will share their wives with other men, many years ago they weren't into that like they are now. People aren't going to openly share what they do like that anyways in public unless they just really want attention. Its funny how people talk like the internet isn't real life when people online are talking to actual human beings that they meet up with and do things with in privacy unless they are recording it which lots of people obviously do. And there are a shit ton of white men that get off on being humiliated by THEIR REAL WIVES. These aren't f***ing pornstars doing a f***ing job. And I've met plenty of homo acting males.

Wife swapping was a thing all the way back in the 70s with key parties.

There are weirdos out there. But I do consider it to be internet shit because the internet amplifies fringe behavior and makes it seem a lot more common then it actually is. Look at this forum for example. This forum is full of fringe people. This forum does not represent the views of normal people at all. Yet sometimes I have to catch myself in the real world because I spend so much time here and on 4chan that I forget for example, that most Republicans are not pro-Putin or pro-Russia. That’s just one of many things I can think of.

[WanderingProtagonist]

On the internet and to some extent on the news. I keep hearing people claiming that there’s a crisis of masculinity. That men are becoming effeminate and that there’s “no real men anymore.” This claim is very confusing to me because I have not seen any difference in how guys act today compared to how they acted 10 or 15 years ago. I don’t understand what all this hand wringing is about. I mean, sure, every once in awhile I come across a guy who acts oddly effeminate but haven’t there always been a small numbers of guys like that? I mean Prince was back in the 80s and he acted kind of effeminate.

To me, guys act the same as they always have. Most guys are not super macho, work out all the time, have no feelings, get really angry and into fights all the time. It’s also not like you ever see guys wearing makeup or dresses or fixating on their hair. Most guys are just guys. They act like dudes but it’s subtle. I feel like the people who keep saying there’s a crisis of masculinity just want all guys to be at the gym all the time and getting into dumb fights at bars.

Sorry that most guys don’t want to look or behave like somebody on steroids. But I don’t think guys ever acted like that as a norm so where is this perception coming from?

Do you actually see guys around you becoming effeminate or are you just listening to news reports and people on the internet saying that’s what’s happening? And don’t use something from the entertainment industry either. I want to know if you actually have seen a large number of guys around you acting weirdly feminine? Because I haven’t. Guys seem the same as they’ve always been to me. My company has fired countless people this past year. I’ve probably met well over 100 dudes in the past year (no homo) and not one of them acted effeminate.

All I know is 15 years BLACKED and Cuckoldry shit wasn't popular. Enough said.

That’s internet shit though. Don’t use any examples that you gleaned from the internet. I want to know what people have actually seen in real life.

You call it internet shit when there are actual couples that get off on that, shows how little you even know. You got be blind if you think it's "internet shit" those real couples are using the internet also do that outside of the internet as well, so no it isn't internet shit. It's reality among people that make amatuer porn with their husbands/wives. And like I said none of that was mainstream all those years ago. Men who act like cuckolds online are obviously like that outside the internet too. There are a lot of men who will share their wives with other men, many years ago they weren't into that like they are now. People aren't going to openly share what they do like that anyways in public unless they just really want attention. Its funny how people talk like the internet isn't real life when people online are talking to actual human beings that they meet up with and do things with in privacy unless they are recording it which lots of people obviously do. And there are a shit ton of white men that get off on being humiliated by THEIR REAL WIVES. These aren't f***ing pornstars doing a f***ing job. And I've met plenty of homo acting males.

Wife swapping was a thing all the way back in the 70s with key parties.

There are weirdos out there. But I do consider it to be internet shit because the internet amplifies fringe behavior and makes it seem a lot more common then it actually is. Look at this forum for example. This forum is full of fringe people. This forum does not represent the views of normal people at all. Yet sometimes I have to catch myself in the real world because I spend so much time here and on 4chan that I forget for example, that most Republicans are not pro-Putin or pro-Russia. That’s just one of many things I can think of.

In the 70s it was nowhere near as how it is now, not even close.

[Outcast9428]

I think there’s a much bigger problem with girls acting masculine then there is of guys acting effeminate. But as always, the social pressure is on men to change into something women like better rather then for women to change into something men like better.

Well that's the fault of males though, women can act masculine and men will still be attracted to them regardless. Tomboy girls are attractive to some men but feminine men aren't attractive to any woman at all unless she just wants a guy she can humiliate. But being attracted to him the way some guys are attracted tom girls, no.

The thing is, it feels to me like women are just complaining that men don’t want to act like dumb brutes. It’s not even a lack of masculinity they just don’t like that a very specific kind of masculinity is rare now. Yeah most guys today aren’t the type to go out into the woods, hunt and skin a deer and bring meat back and then go off to the bar, get drunk and punch some guy. But there’s a difference between not being super macho vs actually being effeminate. I mean, a guy who plays video games all day is technically acting masculine because almost no girl does that.

There’s much more of a crisis of femininity. Girls who think cursing all the time, smashing beer cans on their head and guzzling alcohol, or talking about other women in a very sexualized manner is cool. Too many girls want to “joke around with the guys.” Or girls who lack nurturing instincts and don’t seem romantic at all. Girls should be proactively searching for love and dreaming of their wedding day yet a lot of girls don’t do that. Why doesn’t the news talk about that?

Well I don't know, girls are acting like that in specific parts of the world. You won't find women In Japan acting all masculine even though some japanese anime's and shit do show women as masculine or leading men....Ahem Metal gear Solid Meryl because japan is guilty of trying to make females masculine in video games and anime's and they do this often. That's why female characters use way more profanity now than they ever did and that is the fault of Japanese men writing them like American men would write them....But I think it's more of a Western issue because Western countries promote it the most in movies, comic books, television. Sure other countries have their female heriones that kick people's asses but it's even more relevant in Western media than it is in foreign media aside from Asian flicks that have Asian women kicking people's asses but even despite that. Asian girls don't have those habits like the Western women, I think it's much worse among white women in Anglo societies like the UK, Australia, America, Canada. The news won't talk about it because they don't want to say anything to offend women.
That's why video games no longer want highly attractive women characters anymore and why lately women characters look a lot more masculine. Femnism also took over a lot of media and they often want to show women in masculine roles. Damsel in Distress themes are also dead because even males be talking shit about them. Like some guy once said "I'm glad Princess Peach in the new Mario movie is no longer a Damsel and don't need mario to save her." He was talking like a straight up bitch ass feminist when he said that shit. I hear males all the time whining about women characters needing to be saved because they are the ones who suck up to feminism in media and act like a woman needing a man to save her is a bad thing so yes men are to blame for a lot of this shit.

Yup and that’s a big reason why I date Asian girls. Asian girls are significantly more girly then most girls are. Even Asian girls raised in the West are pretty girly. And yeah, every girl I’ve met from Asia itself acts extremely girly.

See I love the damsel in distress trope. I love it when girls are dainty and cute. It’s cute when a girl makes you feel needed.

[Outcast9428]

@WanderingProtagonist Maybe you are right but do you actually encounter cuckolds in real life or is it all the internet?

A big part of the reason why I’m so passionate about the anti-bdsm stuff is because I’ve actually seen two girls’ lives ruined by it. I’ve met a lot of girls who’ve done it in some capacity and when I found out how common it really was I was fundamentally disturbed.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I think there’s a much bigger problem with girls acting masculine then there is of guys acting effeminate. But as always, the social pressure is on men to change into something women like better rather then for women to change into something men like better.

Well that's the fault of males though, women can act masculine and men will still be attracted to them regardless. Tomboy girls are attractive to some men but feminine men aren't attractive to any woman at all unless she just wants a guy she can humiliate. But being attracted to him the way some guys are attracted tom girls, no.

The thing is, it feels to me like women are just complaining that men don’t want to act like dumb brutes. It’s not even a lack of masculinity they just don’t like that a very specific kind of masculinity is rare now. Yeah most guys today aren’t the type to go out into the woods, hunt and skin a deer and bring meat back and then go off to the bar, get drunk and punch some guy. But there’s a difference between not being super macho vs actually being effeminate. I mean, a guy who plays video games all day is technically acting masculine because almost no girl does that.

There’s much more of a crisis of femininity. Girls who think cursing all the time, smashing beer cans on their head and guzzling alcohol, or talking about other women in a very sexualized manner is cool. Too many girls want to “joke around with the guys.” Or girls who lack nurturing instincts and don’t seem romantic at all. Girls should be proactively searching for love and dreaming of their wedding day yet a lot of girls don’t do that. Why doesn’t the news talk about that?

Well I don't know, girls are acting like that in specific parts of the world. You won't find women In Japan acting all masculine even though some japanese anime's and shit do show women as masculine or leading men....Ahem Metal gear Solid Meryl because japan is guilty of trying to make females masculine in video games and anime's and they do this often. That's why female characters use way more profanity now than they ever did and that is the fault of Japanese men writing them like American men would write them....But I think it's more of a Western issue because Western countries promote it the most in movies, comic books, television. Sure other countries have their female heriones that kick people's asses but it's even more relevant in Western media than it is in foreign media aside from Asian flicks that have Asian women kicking people's asses but even despite that. Asian girls don't have those habits like the Western women, I think it's much worse among white women in Anglo societies like the UK, Australia, America, Canada. The news won't talk about it because they don't want to say anything to offend women.
That's why video games no longer want highly attractive women characters anymore and why lately women characters look a lot more masculine. Femnism also took over a lot of media and they often want to show women in masculine roles. Damsel in Distress themes are also dead because even males be talking shit about them. Like some guy once said "I'm glad Princess Peach in the new Mario movie is no longer a Damsel and don't need mario to save her." He was talking like a straight up bitch ass feminist when he said that shit. I hear males all the time whining about women characters needing to be saved because they are the ones who suck up to feminism in media and act like a woman needing a man to save her is a bad thing so yes men are to blame for a lot of this shit.

Yup and that’s a big reason why I date Asian girls. Asian girls are significantly more girly then most girls are. Even Asian girls raised in the West are pretty girly. And yeah, every girl I’ve met from Asia itself acts extremely girly.

See I love the damsel in distress trope. I love it when girls are dainty and cute. It’s cute when a girl makes you feel needed.

Yeah but there are males who often try to get on women side by being negative toward the Damsel roles. That's why it won't surprise me that in the Resident Evil 4 remake if Ashley starts using profanity or picks up a gun and defend herself vs having Leon save her since people bitched about having to rescue her. The fact is males are beta bitches these days and yes they are certainly worse than they use to be. Back in the day no man I know ever complained about Damsel roles, and men were less in favor of feminism. Now you got men defending shit like that because it's the only way they can get laid even though they still never do! Female characters use a lot more profane language.

Take RE2 and RE3 for instance. neither Jill nor Claire used profanity in the originals but in the remakes they curse CONSTANTLY. Who wrote them that way? JAPANESE MEN imitating and following the West. Now almost every woman character in every video game that gets made uses profane language and acts masculine with hardly any feminine traits and when stuff like this is pushed, you end up with some women being influenced by it. Except those tough talking anime girls never caught on with actual Japanese females like that chick in Black Lagoon that smokes and sits with her legs open like a male. Plenty of girls in manga are presented in this way. because the japanese is trying to appease the West, and they are aware that the West isn't full of feminine women therefore they write the women to be less feminine. Although the nerdy anime loving girls aren't masculine at least none of the ones I met were.

[Outcast9428]

Well that's the fault of males though, women can act masculine and men will still be attracted to them regardless. Tomboy girls are attractive to some men but feminine men aren't attractive to any woman at all unless she just wants a guy she can humiliate. But being attracted to him the way some guys are attracted tom girls, no.

The thing is, it feels to me like women are just complaining that men don’t want to act like dumb brutes. It’s not even a lack of masculinity they just don’t like that a very specific kind of masculinity is rare now. Yeah most guys today aren’t the type to go out into the woods, hunt and skin a deer and bring meat back and then go off to the bar, get drunk and punch some guy. But there’s a difference between not being super macho vs actually being effeminate. I mean, a guy who plays video games all day is technically acting masculine because almost no girl does that.

There’s much more of a crisis of femininity. Girls who think cursing all the time, smashing beer cans on their head and guzzling alcohol, or talking about other women in a very sexualized manner is cool. Too many girls want to “joke around with the guys.” Or girls who lack nurturing instincts and don’t seem romantic at all. Girls should be proactively searching for love and dreaming of their wedding day yet a lot of girls don’t do that. Why doesn’t the news talk about that?

Well I don't know, girls are acting like that in specific parts of the world. You won't find women In Japan acting all masculine even though some japanese anime's and shit do show women as masculine or leading men....Ahem Metal gear Solid Meryl because japan is guilty of trying to make females masculine in video games and anime's and they do this often. That's why female characters use way more profanity now than they ever did and that is the fault of Japanese men writing them like American men would write them....But I think it's more of a Western issue because Western countries promote it the most in movies, comic books, television. Sure other countries have their female heriones that kick people's asses but it's even more relevant in Western media than it is in foreign media aside from Asian flicks that have Asian women kicking people's asses but even despite that. Asian girls don't have those habits like the Western women, I think it's much worse among white women in Anglo societies like the UK, Australia, America, Canada. The news won't talk about it because they don't want to say anything to offend women.
That's why video games no longer want highly attractive women characters anymore and why lately women characters look a lot more masculine. Femnism also took over a lot of media and they often want to show women in masculine roles. Damsel in Distress themes are also dead because even males be talking shit about them. Like some guy once said "I'm glad Princess Peach in the new Mario movie is no longer a Damsel and don't need mario to save her." He was talking like a straight up bitch ass feminist when he said that shit. I hear males all the time whining about women characters needing to be saved because they are the ones who suck up to feminism in media and act like a woman needing a man to save her is a bad thing so yes men are to blame for a lot of this shit.

Yup and that’s a big reason why I date Asian girls. Asian girls are significantly more girly then most girls are. Even Asian girls raised in the West are pretty girly. And yeah, every girl I’ve met from Asia itself acts extremely girly.

See I love the damsel in distress trope. I love it when girls are dainty and cute. It’s cute when a girl makes you feel needed.

Yeah but there are males who often try to get on women side by being negative toward the Damsel roles. That's why it won't surprise me that in the Resident Evil 4 remake if Ashley starts using profanity or picks up a gun and defend herself vs having Leon save her since people bitched about having to rescue her. The fact is males are beta bitches these days and yes they are certainly worse than they use to be. Back in the day no man I know ever complained about Damsel roles, and men were less in favor of feminism. Now you got men defending shit like that because it's the only way they can get laid even though they still never do! Female characters use a lot more profane language.

Take RE2 and RE3 for instance. neither Jill nor Claire used profanity in the originals but in the remakes they curse CONSTANTLY. Who wrote them that way? JAPANESE MEN imitating and following the West. Now almost every woman character in every video game that gets made uses profane language and acts masculine with hardly any feminine traits and when stuff like this is pushed, you end up with some women being influenced by it. Except those tough talking anime girls never caught on with actual Japanese females like that chick in Black Lagoon that smokes and sits with her legs open like a male. Plenty of girls in manga are presented in this way. because the japanese is trying to appease the West, and they are aware that the West isn't full of feminine women therefore they write the women to be less feminine. Although the nerdy anime loving girls aren't masculine at least none of the ones I met were.

Revy from Black Lagoon does not behave at all like a typical anime girl. And anime and manga do not regularly portray characters who act like that. The typical anime girl is more like Nagisa from Clannad. Look at the entire cast of K-On, not one of them acts remotely masculine.

I don't know, back in the 2000s I remember a lot of guys talking about wanting tomboys, or a girl who could hang out with the guys, who was "cool," played video games if they were a nerd, or watched sports if they were a jock. For at least two decades now it seems like there's been a lot of guys who, for some reason, want their girlfriend to have the same hobbies as they do or be able to "kick it with the guys." I prefer for girls to be into crocheting, knitting, cooking, raising pets, or gardening.

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The thing is, it feels to me like women are just complaining that men don’t want to act like dumb brutes. It’s not even a lack of masculinity they just don’t like that a very specific kind of masculinity is rare now. Yeah most guys today aren’t the type to go out into the woods, hunt and skin a deer and bring meat back and then go off to the bar, get drunk and punch some guy. But there’s a difference between not being super macho vs actually being effeminate. I mean, a guy who plays video games all day is technically acting masculine because almost no girl does that.

There’s much more of a crisis of femininity. Girls who think cursing all the time, smashing beer cans on their head and guzzling alcohol, or talking about other women in a very sexualized manner is cool. Too many girls want to “joke around with the guys.” Or girls who lack nurturing instincts and don’t seem romantic at all. Girls should be proactively searching for love and dreaming of their wedding day yet a lot of girls don’t do that. Why doesn’t the news talk about that?

Well I don't know, girls are acting like that in specific parts of the world. You won't find women In Japan acting all masculine even though some japanese anime's and shit do show women as masculine or leading men....Ahem Metal gear Solid Meryl because japan is guilty of trying to make females masculine in video games and anime's and they do this often. That's why female characters use way more profanity now than they ever did and that is the fault of Japanese men writing them like American men would write them....But I think it's more of a Western issue because Western countries promote it the most in movies, comic books, television. Sure other countries have their female heriones that kick people's asses but it's even more relevant in Western media than it is in foreign media aside from Asian flicks that have Asian women kicking people's asses but even despite that. Asian girls don't have those habits like the Western women, I think it's much worse among white women in Anglo societies like the UK, Australia, America, Canada. The news won't talk about it because they don't want to say anything to offend women.
That's why video games no longer want highly attractive women characters anymore and why lately women characters look a lot more masculine. Femnism also took over a lot of media and they often want to show women in masculine roles. Damsel in Distress themes are also dead because even males be talking shit about them. Like some guy once said "I'm glad Princess Peach in the new Mario movie is no longer a Damsel and don't need mario to save her." He was talking like a straight up bitch ass feminist when he said that shit. I hear males all the time whining about women characters needing to be saved because they are the ones who suck up to feminism in media and act like a woman needing a man to save her is a bad thing so yes men are to blame for a lot of this shit.

Yup and that’s a big reason why I date Asian girls. Asian girls are significantly more girly then most girls are. Even Asian girls raised in the West are pretty girly. And yeah, every girl I’ve met from Asia itself acts extremely girly.

See I love the damsel in distress trope. I love it when girls are dainty and cute. It’s cute when a girl makes you feel needed.

Yeah but there are males who often try to get on women side by being negative toward the Damsel roles. That's why it won't surprise me that in the Resident Evil 4 remake if Ashley starts using profanity or picks up a gun and defend herself vs having Leon save her since people bitched about having to rescue her. The fact is males are beta bitches these days and yes they are certainly worse than they use to be. Back in the day no man I know ever complained about Damsel roles, and men were less in favor of feminism. Now you got men defending shit like that because it's the only way they can get laid even though they still never do! Female characters use a lot more profane language.

Take RE2 and RE3 for instance. neither Jill nor Claire used profanity in the originals but in the remakes they curse CONSTANTLY. Who wrote them that way? JAPANESE MEN imitating and following the West. Now almost every woman character in every video game that gets made uses profane language and acts masculine with hardly any feminine traits and when stuff like this is pushed, you end up with some women being influenced by it. Except those tough talking anime girls never caught on with actual Japanese females like that chick in Black Lagoon that smokes and sits with her legs open like a male. Plenty of girls in manga are presented in this way. because the japanese is trying to appease the West, and they are aware that the West isn't full of feminine women therefore they write the women to be less feminine. Although the nerdy anime loving girls aren't masculine at least none of the ones I met were.

Revy from Black Lagoon does not behave at all like a typical anime girl. And anime and manga do not regularly portray characters who act like that. The typical anime girl is more like Nagisa from Clannad. Look at the entire cast of K-On, not one of them acts remotely masculine.

I don't know, back in the 2000s I remember a lot of guys talking about wanting tomboys, or a girl who could hang out with the guys, who was "cool," played video games if they were a nerd, or watched sports if they were a jock. For at least two decades now it seems like there's been a lot of guys who, for some reason, want their girlfriend to have the same hobbies as they do or be able to "kick it with the guys." I prefer for girls to be into crocheting, knitting, cooking, raising pets, or gardening.

There's plenty of them that do, it depends on what anime you are watching. Japan is notorious for making females dominant. They literately made a game about little girls where the dad was so weak and pathethic he couldn't find out what the f**k happened to his own wife that he sends his teenage daughter out to go search for her instead. The daughter even built a ship by herself...And she looked no older than 12 or 13 while the dad didn't do shit.

And while the girl looked all cutesy and was feminine, the mother was masculine as hell when she finally found her. The mother got injured after taking down a big ass dragon because japan likes writing stupid stuff like that for some reason just like having a little girl build a ship. The mother had a masculine voice to match. My brother plays queer shit like that I use to be in the same room as him while he was playing that stuff and hated it lol. I can't stand those Japanese video games they make now. They were cool back when they did stuff like Onimusha but they just suck as bad as the West with video game development.

Female characters in anime have this independent streak. Even in Ghost In The Shell the main lead is a female and she's not feminine at all and all the female characters that come from Japanese video games aren't really feminine either. They are following in the West footsteps to some degree. I watched a lot of anime in the past and most of the female characters were definitely the westernized strong independent I don't' need your help I can do it myself types. Hideo Kojima literately turned Meryl into a highly masculine female character in MGS4, she was bossy, demanding, dominated her fiance. I don't know if the Japanese do this sometimes because they are attracted to such female characters but realize they don't exist among their own women. If they want such women they would have to lower their standards and go for the Western females they based their own characters off of.