Yohan wrote: ↑August 19th, 2023, 11:15 am
kukushka wrote: ↑August 18th, 2023, 3:18 pm
..... dont know the real situation over there, nobody does. the truth is, china lies but so does the west.
It is not so easy to lie about the economic situation of a country, including China, where media are heavily censored.
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I do not think, that everything you find in the media is nothing but lies.
There is also some truth in them, and it is true that China also has its problems....it's not a workers paradise, far away from it....
funny enough you didnt disprove anything I said:
theres some truth to what you say but also you dont know the real situation over there, nobody does. the truth is, china lies but so does the west. the west loves using "independent" indie reporting to smear china, im thinking stuff like serpentza, radiofree asia, falun gong etc etc. redpill internet communities always fall for the anti-china FUD because it confirms their own biases but they dont realize it might be propaganda too.
what you think I said: "
everything negative the western media says about china is lies! china is number one!!!!!"
what I actually said: "
there is some truth to the negative china reporting but the ultimate truth is, nobody really knows whats going on, or to what degree. theres simply too much information manipulation going on by both parties and sometimes in unexpected ways"
funny enough you repeated a lot of my own original points back to me and act like I didnt say them in the first place
as usual I write something moderate and the anti-chinese posters cant understand it and read what im saying through their own biases thus demonstrating the existence of their own biases. this is why anti-chinese posters cant be taken seriously when the topic is china, their own biases prevent them from seeing things clearly, even to the point where they cant objectively read a simple forum comment.
MarcosZeitola wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 6:48 am
The lies and deceptions are getting more blatant. For instance now China has stopped sharing any details of its youth unemployment percentage. It was at a record high until June and keeps rising monthly, now they're just pretending the issue doesn't exist:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/busi ... yment.html
You'd have to be pretty gullible to not see China's royally f***ed. Just take a look at their real estate sector, the ghost cities, the millions of unfinished homes that people are still forced to pay sky-high mortgages over... the bubble is about to burst.
I'm not neccesarily gleeful about the prospects of China collapsing, however... people fail to take into account how interconnected all major economies are, and how a Chinese economic collapse will bite the West in the ass in a big way, too. But the whole BRICS fairytale certainly doesn't seem to be holding up under scrutiny and the Chinese miracle growth years are gone forever.
the lies and deception getting more blatant (from your perspective) doesnt disprove my original points:
1.we dont know the real situation in china or to what degree
2.the west has a vested interest in lying and exaggerating
3.china also might be doing things to FUD itself in order to appear weaker than it really is. do you really think the birthplace of sun tzu wouldnt be able to appreciate this saying?
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak
-granted, I think this is the more unlikely possibility but its still a possibility nonetheless, especially after seeing the whole /pol/ china covid victims video clip psyop happen in real time. during the age of information warfare, why take anything at face value?
do you not realize how long people have been claiming that china (or the US for that matter) are going to collapse any day now? I remember back in 2008 when alex jones said that the US was going to experience economic collapse and martial law was going to be instated. likewise I remember in 2021 when tons of people were saying that the vaxxes were going to depopulate the world in a few years yet here we are and this still isnt the case. in all three cases there were some *grains* of truth but the doomsayers were largely wrong in terms of the timing and severity of their predictions.
so do I think this could be the real end for china? yeah, thats possible. do I think its likely? no. just look at the record of people like serpentza and gordon chang etc, "two more weeks!". the real gullible one here is you.
of course youre gleeful about the prospects of china collapsing. do you think I havent read your other posts on the topic? why even bother lying about something like this, I already know youre not an objective poster when it comes to this topic