Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, aka "Putin's Special Operation"

[Yohan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-join ... 01958.html

As always with EU, it takes a while, and Ukraine is not a member of NATO and there is no obligation to help, however on the other side, if Russia takes over Ukraine, which country will be the next which will be attacked and invaded? Moldovia, or Armenia, or Georgia or the small Baltic countries?

About the missing ammunition for Ukrainian combat soldiers, this problem is well understood and I am confident it will be solved soon.
Western countries will increase its production at least in Czechia and Germany.
Also the Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Denmark and Lithuania are willing to offer support regarding ammunition of any kind.

Please do not underestimate the economic power of the EU (even without USA) - the problem is EU (and NATO) is reacting slowly, as one is for it, the other one is against it, endless discussion - but to react late does not mean not to react at all.

However Ukraine got already a lot of support from EU, nobody can deny that.

Germany to join Czech initiative to procure ammunition for Ukraine

Germany will support the Czech initiative to procure hundreds of thousands of artillery shells for Ukraine with a three-digit million sum, government spokesman Steffen Hebestreit said in Berlin on Wednesday.

Hebestreit said that the German government has been in very intensive talks with Prague about this for some time, adding that "a three-digit million sum will be raised" to support the scheme, without giving an exact sum.

While the plan, which aims to procure 800,000 artillery shells from third countries outside the European Union, is not yet finalized, it certainly will be in the very near future, according to the spokesman.

The Ukrainian army, which has been fending off a full-scale Russian invasion for more than two years, has increasingly found itself on the defensive in recent weeks due to a lack of ammunition.

Russia, on the other hand, has ramped up its own defence production and also receives ammunition from North Korea and Iran. French President Emmanuel Macron also said Paris would join the initiative during a visit to Prague on Tuesday.

Czech President and former NATO secretary general Petr Pavel said at the Munich Security Conference in mid-February that about half a million 155 mm calibre rounds and 300,000 122 mm caliber rounds had been "identified" abroad.

Some media reports have hinted that the ammunition could come from countries such as South Korea, South Africa and Turkey.

The Czech initiative is seen as a response to a stalled EU plan to deliver 1 million rounds of artillery ammunition to Ukraine.

Apart from France and Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Denmark and Lithuania have also promised to help fund the scheme.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-join ... 01958.html

As always with EU, it takes a while, and Ukraine is not a member of NATO and there is no obligation to help, however on the other side, if Russia takes over Ukraine, which country will be the next which will be attacked and invaded? Moldovia, or Armenia, or Georgia or the small Baltic countries?

About the missing ammunition for Ukrainian combat soldiers, this problem is well understood and I am confident it will be solved soon.
Western countries will increase its production at least in Czechia and Germany.
Also the Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Denmark and Lithuania are willing to offer support regarding ammunition of any kind.

Please do not underestimate the economic power of the EU (even without USA) - the problem is EU (and NATO) is reacting slowly, as one is for it, the other one is against it, endless discussion - but to react late does not mean not to react at all.

However Ukraine got already a lot of support from EU, nobody can deny that.

Germany to join Czech initiative to procure ammunition for Ukraine

Germany will support the Czech initiative to procure hundreds of thousands of artillery shells for Ukraine with a three-digit million sum, government spokesman Steffen Hebestreit said in Berlin on Wednesday.

Hebestreit said that the German government has been in very intensive talks with Prague about this for some time, adding that "a three-digit million sum will be raised" to support the scheme, without giving an exact sum.

While the plan, which aims to procure 800,000 artillery shells from third countries outside the European Union, is not yet finalized, it certainly will be in the very near future, according to the spokesman.

The Ukrainian army, which has been fending off a full-scale Russian invasion for more than two years, has increasingly found itself on the defensive in recent weeks due to a lack of ammunition.

Russia, on the other hand, has ramped up its own defence production and also receives ammunition from North Korea and Iran. French President Emmanuel Macron also said Paris would join the initiative during a visit to Prague on Tuesday.

Czech President and former NATO secretary general Petr Pavel said at the Munich Security Conference in mid-February that about half a million 155 mm calibre rounds and 300,000 122 mm caliber rounds had been "identified" abroad.

Some media reports have hinted that the ammunition could come from countries such as South Korea, South Africa and Turkey.

The Czech initiative is seen as a response to a stalled EU plan to deliver 1 million rounds of artillery ammunition to Ukraine.

Apart from France and Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Canada, Denmark and Lithuania have also promised to help fund the scheme.

Still my main premise is that Ukraine will be f*cked whether NATO "re-arm" themselves or not.
It doesn't matter how much re arming they do, they can't directly enter a neutral country that is Ukraine and attack the Russian invaders.
That would result nuclear escalation. If Russia feels they are backed into a corner then they would fire their nukes and the West would fire their nukes. That's why Europa has been reluctant to support Ukraine in the first place. They are supporting Ukraine "piece meal" just to appease their American Master. NATO except France acted like basically "vassal states" for the Americans for the past several decades.

All of the West's stupid "virtue signaling" and "political postering" doesn't mean anything, when Ukraine is being blown up daily. After the War, who is going to pay for all the reconstruction cost for Ukraine? Russia? Russian Oligarch's assets? the IMF? Blackrock? Only a drop in the bucket, my friend.

The best course of action is Zelensky signing a peace treaty with Russia and end the suffering of his own people instead of being a stubborn little homosexual arschloch. Oh wait! His CIA handlers and MI6 handlers won't let him do that...

[Yohan]

Still my main premise is that Ukraine will be f*cked whether NATO "re-arm" themselves or not.

It doesn't matter how much re arming they do, they can't directly enter a neutral country that is Ukraine and attack the Russian invaders.

Of course NATO can also enter Ukraine because the Russians also entered a neutral country called Ukraine, but there is no reason to do this.
So far around 400.000 Russian young men are either dead or handicapped, while not even a single NATO soldier was injured.
Many tanks, trucks, airplanes but even entire warships of the Russians are destroyed already.

NATO so far was quite successful if you ask me and even strongly neutral orientated countries like Sweden and Finland joined recently the organization.

The best for all Western countries is to continue as it is now - give Ukraine weapons, take care of refugees, offer medical care, create sanctions to make it unconvenient for Russians in Russia and seize the Western banking accounts of the super-rich Russian oligarchs and so on.

So far there are still Ukrainian soldiers fighting the Russians and Ukraine is large enough that it cannot be occupied and controlled easily by the invaders. So far it seems, the Ukrainian government is still functioning.

What Ukraine needs to continue to exist, is just Western support of weapons and Western support of materials of any kind, at least for a while until the Russians are gone home.

That would result nuclear escalation. If Russia feels they are backed into a corner then they would fire their nukes and the West would fire their nukes. That's why Europa has been reluctant to support Ukraine in the first place. They are supporting Ukraine "piece meal" just to appease their American Master. NATO except France acted like basically "vassal states" for the Americans for the past several decades.

All of the West's stupid "virtue signaling" and "political postering" doesn't mean anything, when Ukraine is being blown up daily. After the War, who is going to pay for all the reconstruction cost for Ukraine? Russia? Russian Oligarch's assets? the IMF? Blackrock? Only a drop in the bucket, my friend.

The best course of action is Zelensky signing a peace treaty with Russia and end the suffering of his own people instead of being a stubborn little homosexual arschloch. Oh wait! His CIA handlers and MI6 handlers won't let him do that...

There will be no nuclear escalation, and there will be no Russia from Portugal to Alaska. However Russia will become militarily weaker and not be a threat anymore for all neighbouring countries.

There will be no peace contract until the Russians are gone out of Ukraine. Their own Russian country is large enough, they have no business in Ukraine.

Ukraine is a rather poor country, half of income per person compared to Russia (and Russian ordinary people are also not really what I consider rich)

If they are Russian civilians in Ukraine and not militarily related - it is up to them to move over to Russia - earning more, plenty of jobs for them - there is a shortage of workers and plenty of land where they can settle down. I don't know why these Russian people stay in Ukraine.

After the Russian invaders are gone the reconstruction of Ukraine will not take that long - however the only complicated issue is about where will be exactly the border line between Russia and Ukraine... I am not sure about it with Crimea and some Eastern territories.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Yohan

Of course NATO can also enter Ukraine because the Russians also entered a neutral country called Ukraine, but there is no reason to do this.
So far around 400.000 Russian young men are either dead or handicapped, while not even a single NATO soldier was injured.
Many tanks, trucks, airplanes but even entire warships of the Russians are destroyed already.

What are you even talking about? That is one strange logic from your part.
NATO is a Defensive Pact between European countries and America against the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.
NATO already have "outlived" it's purpose after the fall of the Soviet Union. NATO can't just enter a neutral country and fight another country, unless one of its NATO members gets attacked. However, Ukraine has not been a NATO member and pretty much a neutral country.

I like to know where did you get the 400,000 dead Russian figures from? CNN? Victoria Nuland? And for your information, many foreign volunteers from all over the world, even from Western Europe and the US, has joined the "Ukrainian Foreign Legion"(Google that) and tens of thousands or possibly more? have died during the last two years in the conflict. So your incorrect that not even single NATO soldiers were injured. Well, those who joined were former ex-military men from a NATO member countries.

So as many Ukrainian tanks, trucks, airplanes and warships. You keep denying that Ukrainians also suffered heavy losses, but that's what happen in reality. If Ukraine hasn't lost that much then how come he keeps begging the entire world for more weapons, ammo, and equipment? It doesn't make sense. And how come Zelensky is calling for more mobilization of Ukrainians if Ukraine is supposedly winning the war?

There will be no nuclear escalation, and there will be no Russia from Portugal to Alaska. However Russia will become militarily weaker and not be a threat anymore for all neighbouring countries.

I never said the Russians are taking to take over Portugal to Alaska.. Well Putin demanded the U.S to give back Alaska, but not Portugal.
I don't think the Russians have the capability to take over most of Europe..It seems that the Western media is still playing that Russian/Soviet boogieman narrative.

There will be no peace contract until the Russians are gone out of Ukraine. Their own Russian country is large enough, they have no business in Ukraine.

Same can be said to Gay-NATO(Pseudo defensive pact) and the United States. There will be no peace until all the CIA, MI6 goons and all those NATO military advisors manning western equipment to get out and American & European governments stop sending aid to Ukraine with it's citizen's tax money. We got lot of domestic issues in America such as mass homelessness, decaying infrastructure, declining living standards, no healthcare, etc. almost similar issues in Europe. When will Western countries stop spending tax payer's money on other countries affairs, instigating wars, and start investing at home?

NATO and America have no business of being in Ukraine either. This is similar to Russians having no business to be in Cuba and Mexico either and set up a large military base and nuclear weapons aiming at Washington D.C.

[have2fly]

@Yohan

Of course NATO can also enter Ukraine because the Russians also entered a neutral country called Ukraine, but there is no reason to do this.
So far around 400.000 Russian young men are either dead or handicapped, while not even a single NATO soldier was injured.
Many tanks, trucks, airplanes but even entire warships of the Russians are destroyed already.

What are you even talking about? That is one strange logic from your part.
NATO is a Defensive Pact between European countries and America against the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.
NATO already have "outlived" it's purpose after the fall of the Soviet Union. NATO can't just enter a neutral country and fight another country, unless one of its NATO members gets attacked. However, Ukraine has not been a NATO member and pretty much a neutral country.

I like to know where did you get the 400,000 dead Russian figures from? CNN? Victoria Nuland? And for your information, many foreign volunteers from all over the world, even from Western Europe and the US, has joined the "Ukrainian Foreign Legion"(Google that) and tens of thousands or possibly more? have died during the last two years in the conflict. So your incorrect that not even single NATO soldiers were injured. Well, those who joined were former ex-military men from a NATO member countries.

So as many Ukrainian tanks, trucks, airplanes and warships. You keep denying that Ukrainians also suffered heavy losses, but that's what happen in reality. If Ukraine hasn't lost that much then how come he keeps begging the entire world for more weapons, ammo, and equipment? It doesn't make sense. And how come Zelensky is calling for more mobilization of Ukrainians if Ukraine is supposedly winning the war?

There will be no nuclear escalation, and there will be no Russia from Portugal to Alaska. However Russia will become militarily weaker and not be a threat anymore for all neighbouring countries.

I never said the Russians are taking to take over Portugal to Alaska.. Well Putin demanded the U.S to give back Alaska, but not Portugal.
I don't think the Russians have the capability to take over most of Europe..It seems that the Western media is still playing that Russian/Soviet boogieman narrative.

There will be no peace contract until the Russians are gone out of Ukraine. Their own Russian country is large enough, they have no business in Ukraine.

Same can be said to Gay-NATO(Pseudo defensive pact) and the United States. There will be no peace until all the CIA, MI6 goons and all those NATO military advisors manning western equipment to get out and American & European governments stop sending aid to Ukraine with it's citizen's tax money. We got lot of domestic issues in America such as mass homelessness, decaying infrastructure, declining living standards, no healthcare, etc. almost similar issues in Europe. When will Western countries stop spending tax payer's money on other countries affairs, instigating wars, and start investing at home?

NATO and America have no business of being in Ukraine either. This is similar to Russians having no business to be in Cuba and Mexico either and set up a large military base and nuclear weapons aiming at Washington D.C.

NATO is a defensive pact, but NATO countries can act in their own interest, they are not bound by NATO agreements to only act within their own borders. France had confirmed today they will deploy troops to Ukraine if Russia tries to take over Odesa again. Ukraine is not winning the war, yet. Obviously Russia does everything behind closed door to delay assistance to Ukraine, including using their corrupt Orange Cheeto aka Orange Jesus.
Those people that joined Ukrainian military were not acting as NATO soldiers or national militaries of NATO countries. So what is your point? Russia is using Indian and Bangladesh mercenaries in Ukraine, does it mean Indian soldiers are fighting in Ukraine? Nope.
You are just another dumbass thinking that NATO should dissolve and somehow world will be better without American influence. We as Americans are actually holding the world peace together. As terrible as some American foreign policies are, the alternative is not better. Europe is weak, China and Russia will turn the world into a prison labor camp that will only benefit the oligarchy. There is no rule of law in Russia right now, we all know how open and transparent China is.
Homelessness and lack of real healthcare are huge problems in the U.S., but Russia has a similar homelessness problem along with almost complete lack of healthcare, since original Soviet hospitals are literally falling apart and new ones are only built in Moscow and 2-3 other large cities. What is your point? Maybe Russia should get out of Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Syria, Africa, Cuba and South America to concentrate on building hospitals and helping their homeless?

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@have2fly

I was addressing to Yohan, not you. Where the f*ck did you come from?

You are incorrect on Macron deploying troops near Ukraine. There is a ongoing protest in Paris about that and the French government has refused Macron's request to deploy troops in Ukraine.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/articl ... 032_7.html

Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu however, said the furor caused by Macron's initial remarks after a conference of Ukraine's European allies on February 26 was due to them being "taken out of context". "There were hypotheses clearly put on the table but not combat ground troops as may have been said here or there," he told broadcaster BFMTV, noting that Macron had reaffirmed that France would not be a "co-belligerent" in the conflict.

You are another politically correct maggot and NPC cuck dumbass who thinks America is holding World Peace. That's funny. America act out on it's own interest. Holding World Peace is just a veil for America to exploit most of the world's natural resources and exercising it's dominance through fear via economic sanctions, and immense fire power. If you call hundred years of America's global imperialist war mongering and predatory capitalism "World Peace" then you have a serious case of cognitive dissonance my friend.

[Yohan]

@have2fly
I was addressing to Yohan, not you. Where the f*ck did you come from?

I am not sure, but I think, 'have2fly' is an Ukrainian man living in USA?

You are incorrect on Macron deploying troops near Ukraine. There is a ongoing protest in Paris about that and the French government has refused Macron's request to deploy troops in Ukraine.

As I said before EU members of NATO are deciding everything slowly - the agenda to send troops to Ukraine (and not NEAR to Ukraine as you mention) is still opportune, nothing is decided yet... not yet...

https://nltimes.nl/2024/02/27/dutch-mil ... end-troops

Full report link above

Dutch military chief: All options open in Ukraine even if NATO won’t yet send troops

It is “not yet opportune” for the Netherlands to talk about sending soldiers to Ukraine, said General Onno Eichelsheim, the Chief of Defence of the Netherlands. “I think you should keep all options open to see how you can best support Ukraine.” The armed forces commander remarked on French President Emmanuel Macron speaking about the possibility of sending troops to the eastern European country, and comments from NATO and other international leaders saying the timing is not right.

French President Emmanuel Macron said on Monday night that sending troops to Ukraine has not been ruled out after a meeting involving 20 countries. The general says that the president wanted to make all options a possible topic of conversation. It is a "far-end" option, according to Eichelsheim.

The general added that this is the first time it has been declared publicly. "We have not reviewed this before." However, he also added that it is not an issue at this time. The Netherlands has not been asked to supply troops.

If Western militaries were to go to Ukraine, it would have to be in a coalition, said Eichelsheim. This would either be via NATO or an alliance between 10 to 15 countries. "It would be very odd if one or two countries did this." He emphasized that sending troops is also a political decision.

However it seems some troops from Netherland are already moving to Poland, not decided yet what will be the next step.
I dont know, but I think this video is not a fake and they are on standby in Poland?

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Yohan

I am not sure, but I think, 'have2fly' is an Ukrainian man living in USA?

I would like to have civilized conversation and debate with members of the forum here...
However, it seems that some members of this forum really have a bad habit of insulting people first when they don't agree with something. It's really a bad habit. People such as Voyager1, Kukushka(Mercer's sockpuppet), Yick(I am cool with now), and now this jerkoff, have2fly.

I didn't know he was Ukrainian men living in USA, so that's why he was triggered? However, he shouldn't call me a dumbass and instead calmly state his side of the argument. But it seems that he went "apesh*t" and starting hurling insults at me. I'm just stating the fact that Ukraine is f*cked whether NATO, America, you and random two-bit assholes like have2fly likes it or not. That's my point.

France and Netherlands can send all the troops they want, but they are going to be Russian artillery, drone, missile fodder and they will not change the course of battle. So many ex-special forces and military men in Western countries have fought under the Ukrainian Foreign Legion for the last two years, but most have returned to their respective countries and many were slain in battle.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qwm3/ ... in-ukraine

[Yohan]

NATO is a defensive pact, but NATO countries can act in their own interest, they are not bound by NATO agreements to only act within their own borders.

This is correct, there are many countries and not only NATO members, which are offering any form of help to Ukraine after it was invaded by Russia - even neutral countries like Austria or Switzerland, and countries far away from that area like Australia and New Zealand

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz- ... rt-ukraine
Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Judith Collins have marked two years since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine by announcing further support and sanctions, and extending our military assistance.

“Russia launched its illegal, full-scale invasion of Ukraine, in blatant violation of international law, including the UN Charter,” Mr Peters says.

Japan and South Korea also offer support for Ukraine, both were quickly put on the 'unfriendly countries list' by Putin.

Homelessness and lack of real healthcare are huge problems in the U.S., but Russia has a similar homelessness problem along with almost complete lack of healthcare, since original Soviet hospitals are literally falling apart and new ones are only built in Moscow and 2-3 other large cities. What is your point? Maybe Russia should get out of Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Syria, Africa, Cuba and South America to concentrate on building hospitals and helping their homeless?

True, USA has its problems, it is at this moment a political chaos with Biden and Trump, it is legally seen a costly mess with each Federal State has different laws, it is a problem with overpriced and disorganized medical care, it is pro-feminist and as most homeless are men, nobody cares (but many homeless people are also totally unwilling to do something to change their life-style), USA has also a significant high prison population...racial related issues....etc.

BUT:

USA is still the most productive country in this world with the largest military force, its population is more than twice of Russia, and for sure not everybody in USA is poor, homeless and sick....

I would say do not underestimate the power of USA.

Life is surely NOT better in Russia compared to USA.

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Russia: Life expectancy at birth from 2018 to 2021, by gender
women at birth men at birth
2021 74.77 64.21

2018 77.82 67.75

GNI per capita, PPP (current international $) -
Russian Federation $ 35540
United States Worldbank $ 77950

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Yohan

This is correct, there are many countries and not only NATO members, which are offering any form of help to Ukraine after it was invaded by Russia - even neutral countries like Austria or Switzerland, and countries far away from that area like Australia and New Zealand

They probably want to get big brother America's favor. I don't know if your familiar with the term "dick riding". It's an American term for "doing things to gain attention and favor for someone they admire."

Japan and South Korea also offer support for Ukraine, both were quickly put on the 'unfriendly countries list' by Putin.

Both countries shouldn't have supported the Ukrainistan sinkhole. Now they get no cheap Russian natural gas and oil. Bad move by both. They should've stayed neutral.

True, USA has its problems, it is at this moment a political chaos with Biden and Trump, it is legally seen a costly mess with each Federal State has different laws, it is a problem with overpriced and disorganized medical care, it is pro-feminist and as most homeless are men, nobody cares (but many homeless people are also totally unwilling to do something to change their life-style), USA has also a significant high prison population...racial related issues....etc.

BUT:

USA is still the most productive country in this world with the largest military force, its population is more than twice of Russia, and for sure not everybody in USA is poor, homeless and sick....

I would say do not underestimate the power of USA.

Life is surely NOT better in Russia compared to USA.

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Russia: Life expectancy at birth from 2018 to 2021, by gender
women at birth men at birth
2021 74.77 64.21

2018 77.82 67.75

GNI per capita, PPP (current international $) -
Russian Federation $ 35540
United States Worldbank $ 77950

What are you talking about? America is 34 Trillion dollar in debt right now. Every US Citizen at least holds $100,000 of debt.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/

You clearly have no idea how f*cked is America with it's decrepit health insurance, decaying infrastructure, broken education system, and mass illegals and homelessness, rising inflation, etc. I mean the life for Ivan and Ivanna in Russia might not be rosy ,but at least they are not eyeball deep into debt right now.

[Yohan]

@Yohan
I like to know where did you get the 400,000 dead Russian figures from? CNN? Victoria Nuland?

If you read back my comments, I said 'around 400.000 dead AND handicapped Russian soldiers. -

It's about the estimate from various sources, for example from Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tr ... 023-08-18/

and of course also Ukrainian casualties are mentioned, but in defense loss of human life is in general lower than thoses of the invaders.

Another estimate just a few days ago:

https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/03/rus ... war-uk-mod

The UK Ministry of Defence said the number of dead and wounded reflects Moscow's commitment to "attritional warfare".
More than 355,000 Russian personnel have been killed and wounded in the Ukraine war, according to the UK MoD.

In its daily update published on Sunday, the UK Ministry of Defence estimated that the average daily number of Russian casualties throughout February was the highest since the start of the invasion.

It put the figure at 983 casualties per day.

Both Kyiv and Moscow shroud their causality counts in secrecy, due to the effects they can have on army morale, populations at home and how the war is perceived abroad.

many foreign volunteers from all over the world, even from Western Europe and the US, has joined the "Ukrainian Foreign Legion"(Google that) and tens of thousands or possibly more? have died during the last two years in the conflict. So your incorrect that not even single NATO soldiers were injured.

These people are not active soldiers of any NATO member country. No Western government ordered them and pay them to fight in Ukraine.

NATO is a Defensive Pact between European countries and America against the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.
NATO already have "outlived" it's purpose after the fall of the Soviet Union. NATO can't just enter a neutral country and fight another country, unless one of its NATO members gets attacked. However, Ukraine has not been a NATO member and pretty much a neutral country.

Outlived? It seems NATO is getting stronger with more members than ever before - Sweden and Finland are now full members, Moldovia, Georgia and Armenia are also considering to join EU and NATO....also Ukraine wants to become a NATO/EU member after this war to feel safer against Russia in future.

As long as Russia will continue to threaten ('Finland, Sweden) and even attacks neutral countries (Ukraine), NATO will become stronger, as small countries nearby which are not willing to depend on Russian politicians who tell them what to do or not to do are looking for protection.

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe ... ster-says/

Armenia is considering seeking EU membership, foreign minister says
Country seeks to forge closer ties with West amid tensions with traditional ally Russia
Sat Mar 9 2024 - 12:41

Armenia is considering applying for European Union membership, foreign minister Ararat Mirzoyan said on Friday, as it seeks to forge closer ties with the West in the face of tensions with traditional ally Russia.

“Many new opportunities are largely being discussed in Armenia nowadays and that will not be a secret if I say that includes membership in the European Union,” Mr Mirzoyan said in an interview with Turkey’s TRT World television station.

He was speaking on the sidelines of a diplomatic forum in the Turkish city of Antalya on the Mediterranean coast.

Since coming to power in a 2018 revolution, Armenian prime minister Nikol Pashinyan has deepened Armenia’s ties with Europe and the United States, repeatedly drawing the ire of traditional ally Russia.

https://apnews.com/article/greece-armen ... 3881c32ed1
February 27, 2024
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ATHENS, Greece (AP) — NATO member Greece said Tuesday it wants to help traditional ally Armenia shift alliances westward, arguing that improved ties with the European Union would boost stability in the troubled Caucasus region.

Armenia, which has close military and trade ties with Russia, is reeling from a border conflict with neighbor Azerbaijan in recent years. Last year, more than 100,000 ethnic Armenians fled from an Azerbaijani military offensive in the breakaway Karabakh region in Azerbaijan to Armenia.

Angering Moscow, Armenia last year held a joint military exercise with the United States and also pledged to speed up reforms aimed at strengthening its partnership with the EU.

Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitstoakis on Tuesday told his visiting Armenian counterpart, Nikol Pashinian, that his government hoped to assist in that process.

“We fully support Armenia’s orientation toward the West,” Mitsotakis said. “It is natural, as a member of the European Union and NATO, that our country is ready to contribute with know-how and experience to building this new liberal democracy.”

Pashinian thanked Mitsotakis for his government’s support in forging new EU-Armenia partnership talks agreed on earlier this month that outlined rule-of-law reforms planned in Armenia as well as EU-backed investment programs.

“Our cooperation (with the EU) has already yielded results and I am sure that in the near future, these results will become more visible,” Pashinian told reporters.

[Yohan]

@Yohan

Japan and South Korea also offer support for Ukraine, both were quickly put on the 'unfriendly countries list' by Putin.

Both countries shouldn't have supported the Ukrainistan sinkhole. Now they get no cheap Russian natural gas and oil. Bad move by both. They should've stayed neutral.

Neither Japan nor South Korea are neutral countries and both feel threatened by Russia (and protected by USA)

South Korea would not even exist if Russia could decide it, only North Korea would be on the map.

About Japan, Russia was always a threat and it is provoking Japan with warplanes entering Japan every single day.
Japan would be a divided country after WWII with no hope to unify again - similar to North/South Korea.

Japan found other suppliers which are willing to export more energy related materials into Japan, for example Australia and Indonesia....
Policy is about to cut down any relationship with Russia to the bare minimum.

A military weak Russia is only good for South Korea and Japan. With less support from Russia to North Korea it makes this region where I am living now safer.

[Yohan]

@Yohan

Japan and South Korea also offer support for Ukraine, both were quickly put on the 'unfriendly countries list' by Putin.

Both countries shouldn't have supported the Ukrainistan sinkhole. Now they get no cheap Russian natural gas and oil. Bad move by both. They should've stayed neutral.

Neither Japan nor South Korea are neutral countries and both feel threatened by Russia (and protected by USA)

South Korea would not even exist if Russia could decide it, only North Korea would be on the map.

About Japan, Russia was always a threat and it is provoking Japan with warplanes entering Japan every single day.
Japan would be a divided country after WWII with no hope to unify again - similar to North/South Korea.

Japan found other suppliers which are willing to export more energy related materials into Japan, for example Australia and Indonesia....
Policy is about to cut down any relationship with Russia to the bare minimum.

A military weak Russia is only good for South Korea and Japan. With less support from Russia to North Korea it makes this region where I am living now safer.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Yohan

These people are not active soldiers of any NATO member country. No Western government ordered them and pay them to fight in Ukraine.

But those Western foreigners did volunteered on their own accord. Some has NATO training and expertise and has been teaching Ukrainians how to fight in Western tactics. In addition, you may recall that tens of thousands of Ukrainians were trained in the UK and Germany in NATO style. So least some Ukrainian troops are familiar with NATO tactics. So I guess you can say that they are sort of the expendable part of "NATO troops" just with Ukrainian nationality.. nevertheless, they have failed to turn the tides of this war.

Outlived? It seems NATO is getting stronger with more members than ever before - Sweden and Finland are now full members, Moldovia, Georgia and Armenia are also considering to join EU and NATO....also Ukraine wants to become a NATO/EU member after this war to feel safer against Russia in future.

Yep It did. The original mission for NATO was to stop the spread of Soviet Influence and Warsaw pact in the Cold War. After the Soviet Dissolution,
NATO outlived it's original mission and started misusing/abusing their power to intervene in the Yugoslavia/Balkan conflict despite U.N's disapproval and lack of legality to intervene there. Instead of NATO disbanding and creating a new defensive pact or transitioning to something else, they keep on crossing the line, disregarding their original purpose as a defensive pact against the Soviets and keep on adding new countries into their group and kept on ignoring the Russian demand to not to expand NATO near there borders. If NATO is actually honest with itself, then it should have disbanded in the 1990's. Instead NATO is masquerading as a defensive pact while actually being used mainly by the Unites States and others as an instrument of their power expansion and containment of those so called "evil" Russkies from the East.

I think Have2fly have mentioned earlier. NATO countries are a defensive pact but they can act as their own accord. Well the United States is part of NATO and they can cause all sorts of turmoil and get NATO involved. How very convenient. That means the other NATO countries are essentially "Vassal States" of the United States. When the U.S used 9/11 as a false flag operation to get NATO involved and launch an full scale invasion to Iraq and Afghanistan and occupy it for 20 years. In addition, the U.S blew up Nordstream 2 connecting Germany to Russia, but Germany can't do anything about it and do what their American Yankee masters tells them to do like an obedient dog. So your are in NATO, then you are America's b*tch now.

Good, Armenia, Moldova, and the rump states of Ukraine after the war? More countries to be included in the list of American vassal states.

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@Yohan

Japan and South Korea also offer support for Ukraine, both were quickly put on the 'unfriendly countries list' by Putin.

Both countries shouldn't have supported the Ukrainistan sinkhole. Now they get no cheap Russian natural gas and oil. Bad move by both. They should've stayed neutral.

Neither Japan nor South Korea are neutral countries and both feel threatened by Russia (and protected by USA)

South Korea would not even exist if Russia could decide it, only North Korea would be on the map.

About Japan, Russia was always a threat and it is provoking Japan with warplanes entering Japan every single day.
Japan would be a divided country after WWII with no hope to unify again - similar to North/South Korea.

Japan found other suppliers which are willing to export more energy related materials into Japan, for example Australia and Indonesia....
Policy is about to cut down any relationship with Russia to the bare minimum.

A military weak Russia is only good for South Korea and Japan. With less support from Russia to North Korea it makes this region where I am living now safer.