Is any involuntary celibate an 'Incel'?

[MrMan]

Does 'incel' mean involuntary celibate? Or does it mean someone who is an involuntary celibate who also holds to some kind of red pill or black pill philosphy, focuses on hypergamy, Stacies, Tyrones, Becckies, and the idea that it is hopeless for men to have sex?

Do incels call people who don't visit their forums or use their rhetoric 'incels' or is it a whole ideology?

I read that the FBI is concerned that incels might do terrorism. I think they are looking at the ideology, rather than guys who want to have sex but can't, right? But is that who incels use the term?

[hb2345]

1. Incels are involuntary celibate. They want to get laid, they try to get laid, but can't. They're bitter, angry social rejects. Black pilled

2. The people who by choice have chosen not to participate in the modern day farce and a rigged game referred to as "relationship/marriage" are called MGTOW. Red pilled.

3. Passport Bros - Pathetic, herd mentality having losers and aspiring normies, who take simping to a whole new, extreme, level. They tried swallowing the Blue pill, but choked on it.

The first group is desperate, deluded, and dangerous enough, as they have proven to be in the past, so yes, FBI should definitely keep an eye on these degenerates.

The second group are honorable, dignified, independent thinking men who have the means and enough charisma to land a woman, but decided to spend their time and money on personal growth and life enjoyment because they don't want to put up with the typical female bullshit and anti-men laws. MGTOW sit back and laugh at idiots and clowns from their first row seats. Many of the MGTOW members are former burnout normies who finally saw the light.

The third group are just dedicated STD catchers with zero self-respect and too much free time on their hands. Not good enough to conform to the western version of a Betabux these hope/brain less romantics take their thin wallets, shitty looks, and awful personalities overseas, in hopes to have what their more successful counterparts have at home (unending headaches, tons of bullshit, and being used by literally everyone). Sad.

[Shemp]

The third group [passport bros] are just dedicated STD catchers with zero self-respect and too much free time on their hands. Not good enough to conform to the western version of a Betabux these hope/brain less romantics take their thin wallets, shitty looks, and awful personalities overseas, in hopes to have what their more successful counterparts have at home (unending headaches, tons of bullshit, and being used by literally everyone). Sad.

You're referring to passport bros like @voyager1, who are indeed sad creatures. There are other men who go abroad for women who do not fit that description above.

Smart men always pay for women because that is the only way to avoid headaches and bullshit. Threatening to deny a woman your alpha cock or alpha personality or whatever else TopG clowns think makes them attractive is not enough, because there is always plenty of alpha cock and alpha personality available for pretty young women to choose from. But money is hard to get and most pretty young women are permanently in need of more money, so they will not cause trouble for a man who brings them money. Paying gives the man power, in other words, and that power is magnified when the woman is from a poor country where money is especially hard to obtain

The stupid and most expensive way to pay women is by marriage in a western country, where the woman can divorce and walk off with half the man's assets plus child support and maybe even alimony. The smart way to pay is either pay-as-you-go as with sugar babies or mistresses or quality (non STD) whores, or by marriage in a country where divorce is a disaster for the woman.

Probably all the above is a mystery to you because you are the one with a thin wallet and therefore you can't pay. Or maybe you tried swallowing the red pill but mistakenly swallowed some poison that rotted your brain.

[yick]

The third group [passport bros] are just dedicated STD catchers with zero self-respect and too much free time on their hands. Not good enough to conform to the western version of a Betabux these hope/brain less romantics take their thin wallets, shitty looks, and awful personalities overseas, in hopes to have what their more successful counterparts have at home (unending headaches, tons of bullshit, and being used by literally everyone). Sad.

You're referring to passport bros like @voyager1, who are indeed sad creatures. There are other men who go abroad for women who do not fit that description above.

Smart men always pay for women because that is the only way to avoid headaches and bullshit. Threatening to deny a woman your alpha cock or alpha personality or whatever else TopG clowns think makes them attractive is not enough, because there is always plenty of alpha cock and alpha personality available for pretty young women to choose from. But money is hard to get and most pretty young women are permanently in need of more money, so they will not cause trouble for a man who brings them money. Paying gives the man power, in other words, and that power is magnified when the woman is from a poor country where money is especially hard to obtain

The stupid and most expensive way to pay women is by marriage in a western country, where the woman can divorce and walk off with half the man's assets plus child support and maybe even alimony. The smart way to pay is either pay-as-you-go as with sugar babies or mistresses or quality (non STD) whores, or by marriage in a country where divorce is a disaster for the woman.

Probably all the above is a mystery to you because you are the one with a thin wallet and therefore you can't pay. Or maybe you tried swallowing the red pill but mistakenly swallowed some poison that rotted your brain.

Great post as usual, Frank and nailed @Voyager1 down to a tee!

[Voyager1]

He didn't nail nothing. Frank aka Shemp went to Ukraine to hire a Kyiv prostitute who he thought he was in a relationship with. She later dumped him for some Irish blokes.

The key is not one solution. I've had them all - wives, girlfriends, p4p girls. A mix of all the above is what works.

[Shemp]

He didn't nail nothing. Frank aka Shemp went to Ukraine to hire a Kyiv prostitute who he thought he was in a relationship with. She later dumped him for some Irish blokes.

I exaggerated, as usual, for humorous effect (for example, I certainly am better looking, by conventional standards, than my namesake of Stooges fame, who himself was quite the self-depreciating comedian). She didn't dump me,. When she got to Ireland, she knew it would be for several years (she left late 2022, by which time it was apparent Ukraine was full of fanatic idiots who wouldn't give up until they were all dead and that it would take a long time to exterminate them all, though the end is not far off) and she knows 'm not the sort who sends money without receiving services in exchange, so she did what she had to do to obtain the standard of living she thinks she deserves, which is higher than what the welfare system for Ukrainian refugees offers. She is still milking that welfare system, BTW, pretending to be slow at learning English and so unable to work at a job, when fact she was and is fluent in English. So she takes English classes a few hours a week, does her Only Fans another few hours (you wouldn't happen to be an Only Fans patron?), then maybe goes on occasional "dates" to top up her income. I didn't expect her to be faithful for several years with no money from me, anymore than I'd expect loyalty from a stray cat who I'm not regularly feeding. I'm not that loyal myself but I recognize that a reliable high quality whore is a treasure not to be quickly discarded, anymore than any other reliable provider of luxury services. We are still in touch and I'll probably resume seeing her when Ukraine finally cuts a deal and Kyiv is convenient to visit again.

The key is not one solution. I've had them all - wives, girlfriends, p4p girls. A mix of all the above is what works.

This is the kind of hare brained thinking that caused me to call you a sad case. So you married in a Western country, with all the disadvantages that entails? What other unfavorable (to you) contracts have you signed over years?

[Voyager1]

This is the kind of hare brained thinking that caused me to call you a sad case. So you married in a Western country, with all the disadvantages that entails? What other unfavorable (to you) contracts have you signed over years?

I never got married in a Western country. I don't know where you got that information.

Anyway to each his own. You do what you want to do and what works for you and I will do the same.

Good luck to you.

[hb2345]

You're referring to passport bros like @voyager1, who are indeed sad creatures. There are other men who go abroad for women who do not fit that description above.

No, you're all pretty sad. Yourself including.

Smart men always pay for women because that is the only way to avoid headaches and bullshit.

Famous last words of every simp ever.

But money is hard to get and most pretty young women are permanently in need of more money, so they will not cause trouble for a man who brings them money. Paying gives the man power, in other words, and that power is magnified when the woman is from a poor country where money is especially hard to obtain

Simp. Pathetic. Retarded ass-clown being used by shitty, dirty, ugly-ass third worlders.

The stupid and most expensive way to pay women is by marriage in a western country, where the woman can divorce and walk off with half the man's assets plus child support and maybe even alimony. The smart way to pay is either pay-as-you-go as with sugar babies or mistresses or quality (non STD) whores, or by marriage in a country where divorce is a disaster for the woman.

Wasting money and being taken advantage of in either case. No pride, no dignity, no self-respect. Seeks validation by "dating" literal prostitutes. Untermensch. Loser.

because you are the one with a thin wallet.

I would be if I wasted my money on ugly third world skanks like you do, Betabux.

Or maybe you tried swallowing the red pill but mistakenly swallowed some poison that rotted your brain.

I do have a brain, unlike the passport bros.

[MrMan]

1. Incels are involuntary celibate. They want to get laid, they try to get laid, but can't. They're bitter, angry social rejects. Black pilled

The question is whether involuntary celibates who do NOT accept the philosophy that they lost the genetic lottery and that dating, sex, marriage, etc. is all hopeless are also 'incels'? Do incels call them that, or do they have to accept the ideology?

And is 'black pill' the idea that many men have lost the genetic lottery, have no chance with women unless they are Chads or Tyrones, and have given up on relationships with women for those reasons? Is that what it means?

2. The people who by choice have chosen not to participate in the modern day farce and a rigged game referred to as "relationship/marriage" are called MGTOW. Red pilled.

If they are voluntary celibates but aren't against others marrying, I don't have a problem with that.

3. Passport Bros - Pathetic, herd mentality having losers and aspiring normies, who take simping to a whole new, extreme, level. They tried swallowing the Blue pill, but choked on it.

Isn't 'Passport Bros' the name of 'Happier Abroad' that actually got some traction online? I mean, it's either going abroad to find a girlfriend or wife, or else sex tourism, right?

The second group are honorable, dignified, independent thinking men who have the means and enough charisma to land a woman, but decided to spend their time and money on personal growth and life enjoyment because they don't want to put up with the typical female bullshit and anti-men laws. MGTOW sit back and laugh at idiots and clowns from their first row seats. Many of the MGTOW members are former burnout normies who finally saw the light.

I've encountered some who were obnoxious, hardheaded, and stuck in this ideology that all women are the same and relationships are marriage are for no men at all.

The third group are just dedicated STD catchers with zero self-respect and too much free time on their hands. Not good enough to conform to the western version of a Betabux these hope/brain less romantics take their thin wallets, shitty looks, and awful personalities overseas, in hopes to have what their more successful counterparts have at home (unending headaches, tons of bullshit, and being used by literally everyone). Sad.

Some are marriage oriented. Going overseas to find a girlfriend or wife doesn't make a man fit all those characteristics you describe.

[hb2345]

it was apparent Ukraine was full of fanatic idiots who wouldn't give up until they were all dead and that it would take a long time to exterminate them all

Yeah, the Ukrainians have to be in forever Putin's servitude, so the pathetic simp loser like you can waste his US dollars on cheap prostitutes? Go f**k yourself, failure.

though the end is not far off

You and your stinky whores will be long dead before Ukraine loses its freedom. Just read the history of that nation, retard. Ukrainians have been fighting off Russia and numerous other invading countries for ages, but they're still here and not going anywhere. Your best bet is to f**k off back to Asia/Latin America and not to pollute such proud country with your human waste presence. I don't want Ukrainians to catch your loser vibes. It's bad for morale.

[hb2345]

The question is whether involuntary celibates who do NOT accept the philosophy that they lost the genetic lottery and that dating, sex, marriage, etc. is all hopeless are also 'incels'? Do incels call them that, or do they have to accept the ideology?

The dog might not accept the fact he is a dog, but he's still a dog.

And is 'black pill' the idea that many men have lost the genetic lottery, have no chance with women unless they are Chads or Tyrones, and have given up on relationships with women for those reasons? Is that what it means?

Yes.

If they are voluntary celibates but aren't against others marrying, I don't have a problem with that.

MGTOW ideology doesn't necessitate celibacy. You're free to date/have casual sex if you want. Just don't make your life revolve around vagina. And no, MGTOW don't care if you get married. Just another circus clown to laugh at.

Isn't 'Passport Bros' the name of 'Happier Abroad' that actually got some traction online? I mean, it's either going abroad to find a girlfriend or wife, or else sex tourism, right?

Right.

I've encountered some who were obnoxious, hardheaded, and stuck in this ideology that all women are the same and relationships are marriage are for no men at all.

Valid stance backed up by statistics and personal experience.

Some are marriage oriented. Going overseas to find a girlfriend or wife doesn't make a man fit all those characteristics you describe.

Yes, it does.

[Voyager1]

Great post as usual, Frank and nailed @Voyager1 down to a tee!

Yick, you're a complete fool drowning in ignorance.

[yick]

Great post as usual, Frank and nailed @Voyager1 down to a tee!

Yick, you're a complete fool drowning in ignorance.

Stop being triggered

[yick]

He didn't nail nothing.