Is it easier to talk to women abroad?

[WesternWomenSuck]

In the USA I get a sense that it is unacceptable for a man to talk to young women. It will only end up making the woman uncomfortable, and creeped out. In order to talk to a woman, she must have sexual attraction to you first, and then she will be nice to you, etc. But if you just try to have a friendly conversation with a woman, it will be perceived as you trying to hit on her, and will cause you to be labelled a "creep".

I am just wondering if 1) Others agree with me about how difficult it is to talk to women (even platonically), and 2) If outside the USA women are less hostile towards the idea of talking (platonically) to men they are not necessarily sexually attracted to.

[yick]

Not really because you have to speak their language unless you both speak English.

Obviously, not every man will experience the same response when talking to women because some men are better looking, more interesting, smell nicer or are generally more attractive than others. Some men that are 'good' with women aren't particularly attractive in the physical sense but they're confident and if some woman knocks them back, they're able to move on - they will have some things going for them - physically fit, friendly, charming, dress well, smell nice.

It's not difficult to talk to women. I am not attracted to most of them and I am a middle aged man, I have got over being tongue tied by beautiful women more than 30 years ago - there are plenty of women, in fact the vast majority, who I don't like personality wise and don't find attractive are the women I meet most days - same as men really.

[yick]

Also, having someone wanting to be with you is a massive privilege, we don't see it that way though, many of us see it as a right and are disappointed when it doesn't or can't happen - not everyone is destined to be with someone and even less being with someone and being happy. If you get someone who is compatible and you love them and they love you then you're very very lucky.

The worst thing is not being alone - it's being with someone who doesn't love you and has never truly loved you, which is a lot more couples than you think and there are probably more of that kind of couple than couples that truly love each other - I mean, they might have fancied them once or liked them as people or whatever but true love? La media naranja? Rare as hens teeth. You can get used to solitude and after a while, you start to enjoy and if you live it long enough, you prefer that way of life - you'll never go back to wanting to share a life with someone and marrying your fortunes together (as Simon and Garfunkel once sang).

[Yohan]

In the USA I get a sense that it is unacceptable for a man to talk to young women. It will only end up making the woman uncomfortable, and creeped out. In order to talk to a woman, she must have sexual attraction to you first, and then she will be nice to you, etc. But if you just try to have a friendly conversation with a woman, it will be perceived as you trying to hit on her, and will cause you to be labelled a "creep".

I am just wondering if 1) Others agree with me about how difficult it is to talk to women (even platonically), and 2) If outside the USA women are less hostile towards the idea of talking (platonically) to men they are not necessarily sexually attracted to.

Just my opinion, it is not unacceptable for a man to talk to young women, but it is risky, as you do not know how the woman you approach will react in return.

She might react friendly and welcoming, or she will also hit you straight in the face and cry for help, rapist is molestering me....

Many Western women can be very aggressive, they are not the helpless little girls who are always the victim as feminists are telling us.

Of course she might also just walk away and tells you to stay away...

I think the major question is not about how to approach women, but to be aware of possible serious consequences, even if you had good intention.

So what to do, how to make the first contact? Where? Most women have anyway already multiple boyfriends long before they reach the minimum age of giving consent.

To approach a woman for a private talk on the workplace or in schools etc. is clearly a NO and NEVER - if something is going wrong, you might be out of job within hours at the worst or become a funny clown for the entire staff at the best, a target of scorn for everybody around you, a loser...

Further, you cannot approach just totally unknown women in the street or in a supermarket etc, either.

You cannot approach women in places like night clubs or in public parks, women in general are not single and not lonely and if you are unlucky her boyfriends will show up and next you remember is 3 days later being in a hospital...

In Western countries it is very difficult to meet a reasonable female, just my own experience.

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Not only USA, but in Europe and other feminist friendly scocieties it's about the same situation, no idea how and where to meet a nice girl as a man looking for a long-term relationship - except you have something 'special' 'exciting' to offer to them, for example, you have a lot of money, or you are a celebrity, or even a criminal....

Not even willing to try if you ask me.
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Is it better in other countries like here in Asia? Likely yes, just my personal experience - but it needs time, often also good local language knowledge is important for communication.

You can talk in most Asian countries I know - but only if you live there for a few years and have time - with just anybody next to you about this topic - that you are lonely and looking for a female partner - and unlike in Western countries, people will not laugh about you, they will not make fun about you, they will not make you ashamed as a loser - and gossip plays a major role among females of any age - and it will not take so long and some people will show up asking you if they can introduce somebody to you.

The big question however remains, if you really want to continue to live in her country. I do not recommend to bring your Asian girlfriend to Western countries for long-term stay. - She might soon be approached by other Western men and leave you for somebody else.

[yick]

The best place in the world for talking to women and being able to compliment them for me is Latin America, they can take a compliment for the most part but you have to read the cues, you can't go around complimenting whoever you fancy. Most women aren't going to fancy you, the nicer looking ones get attention all the time so unless you stand out in her eyes, you're going to get knocked back more often than not but you have to be able to take knockbacks if you want it enough.

In this life, you have to be a bit 'knockabout' and not let things get to you, you have to persevere if you want things and that includes women. You need to make the best of yourself and go out there and get your share but it might take awhile, you might have to go somewhere else, you might have to learn another language but no-one has the right to love, it is a privilege. It's no use being all sensitive and going 'all these women are turning me down' especially if you aren't bringing much to the table and you can't be arsed dressing well, smelling nice etc - stuff you have control over and it doesn't take that much money to sort out and as we all know, a lot of men just cannot be arsed with the basics.

And why should a woman be 'nice' in turning you down anyway? She doesn't have time to go 'look I know you're trying and you're a nice guy and you're not bad looking but...' nobody has that time, you have to stop being so sensitive and see it for what it is, of course it is personal but not on a deep level - if you have all your ducks in a row with how you dress, your hygiene, your overall social skills, your physical shape etc, you'll get someone - even if it means going to Indonesia or Nigeria but will you get them all or even most/some of them if you get your ducks in a row? No, but you will get someone you like.

The UK and the US is crap value - no two ways about it - not only are the women for the most part crap but it is full of white knighting arseholes happy to half kill you on their word of command but no-one is making you stay there and try for those women. The last time I asked a British girl out? Literally decades ago and I never will again.