Half Covid Shot Victims Not Dead Yet

[MrMan]

I can't find the thread, but some years back, someone posted a video saying something like half the world's population would be dead in five years from taking Covid shots. Most of the video presented what seemed to me to be legitimate health concerns about the virus, but the conclusion was rather extreme. I'm trying to remember the dates, but this site here sets the first date of FDA approval for a Covid shot at August 2021. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... 19-vaccine But it says the Pfizer shot was available since December 11, 2020. That was 4 years, 5 months, 3 weeks, and 3 days ago. So not five years yet.

Unless they expected everyone to drop dead at exactly 5 years, it seems unlikely that this medical prediction was true.

That's not to say there are not negative effects from the pseudo-vaccine science experiment that governments pressured or forced people into taking (along with the willful often lemming-like folks who signed up for it.) I sold some household stuff off of Facebook to a man a few days ago who said he'd had a huge blood clot taken from his leg that his doctor thought was Covid-shot related. An ER doctor I know said he'd seen people come in with strange ailments that normally took years to get bad, like a woman with an intestinal blockage, and young men with heart issues that aren't normal. He had taken one Covid shot, but got a religious exemption for the rest as he learned more.

The doctors were pressured to agree with the Covid shot policy back then. It's just now coming out 'officially' in the US that there were certain heart health risks associated with the shot, even though scientific data showed that early on with Israeli young men. It was obvious the doctors were being pressured not to 'follow the science' or at least not to do so independently. There was also a lot of bogus online censorship.

But back to the 50% thing.... no I don't think that will happen. Maybe the Covid shot made sense for high risk old people back then, who had higher risk of dying from the disease than the shot. But they were giving these shots to kids and people in their 20's through 50's. I suspect some people will get some health issues, but I do not predict a mass extinction over it.

I wonder, along the lines of the forum, if any of you are looking for foreign partners, would you look for one who didn't get the shot? My wife went to Indonesia during all that mess for a funeral. President Jokowi was pretty Draconian about the shot. She managed to get a letter from a doctor online who was exempting people left and right. She had allergies when she was a kid. The people at the airport let her in and she managed to travel around the country without a Covid shot, but they were basically coercing people into it.

If you can't work, can't travel, etc. without the shot, that's some pretty strong coersion.

[MrMan]

Bump, I didn't see this in top 100 threads. Does anyone remember the post that predicted mass deaths in 5 years? How does one find it? It was in a video.

[kangarunner]

The human body has something called an "immune system". Most high schools don't teach basic anatomy and physiology in their curriculum. If they did, one could understand the simple fact that your body has an immune system which can defend itself and fight off viruses.

I've done some foolish things in my life. But I remember being in Vietnam at the time of Covid lockdown and I refused to take anything that was given to me. Why would I take some Sinovac brand that was made in China? That was an easy decision for me.

I'm thankful to the articles that Winston wrote which ingrained in me a mind for thinking critically about things. Everyone should learn to be an independent thinker. The opposite of an independent thinker is an NPC and their thinking is not thinking -- it's repeating what has been told to them.

[TruthSeeker]

Bump, I didn't see this in top 100 threads. Does anyone remember the post that predicted mass deaths in 5 years? How does one find it? It was in a video.

Back at the time of Covid I was listening to the Alex Jones show (no longer listen) and he had guests on their saying what you're saying. Everyone who took the shot would be dead within 5 years

[gsjackson]

Bump, I didn't see this in top 100 threads. Does anyone remember the post that predicted mass deaths in 5 years? How does one find it? It was in a video.

I believe it was Luc Montagnier who made the prediction.

[HouseMD]

I can't find the thread, but some years back, someone posted a video saying something like half the world's population would be dead in five years from taking Covid shots. Most of the video presented what seemed to me to be legitimate health concerns about the virus, but the conclusion was rather extreme. I'm trying to remember the dates, but this site here sets the first date of FDA approval for a Covid shot at August 2021. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... 19-vaccine But it says the Pfizer shot was available since December 11, 2020. That was 4 years, 5 months, 3 weeks, and 3 days ago. So not five years yet.

Unless they expected everyone to drop dead at exactly 5 years, it seems unlikely that this medical prediction was true.

That's not to say there are not negative effects from the pseudo-vaccine science experiment that governments pressured or forced people into taking (along with the willful often lemming-like folks who signed up for it.) I sold some household stuff off of Facebook to a man a few days ago who said he'd had a huge blood clot taken from his leg that his doctor thought was Covid-shot related. An ER doctor I know said he'd seen people come in with strange ailments that normally took years to get bad, like a woman with an intestinal blockage, and young men with heart issues that aren't normal. He had taken one Covid shot, but got a religious exemption for the rest as he learned more.

The doctors were pressured to agree with the Covid shot policy back then. It's just now coming out 'officially' in the US that there were certain heart health risks associated with the shot, even though scientific data showed that early on with Israeli young men. It was obvious the doctors were being pressured not to 'follow the science' or at least not to do so independently. There was also a lot of bogus online censorship.

But back to the 50% thing.... no I don't think that will happen. Maybe the Covid shot made sense for high risk old people back then, who had higher risk of dying from the disease than the shot. But they were giving these shots to kids and people in their 20's through 50's. I suspect some people will get some health issues, but I do not predict a mass extinction over it.

I wonder, along the lines of the forum, if any of you are looking for foreign partners, would you look for one who didn't get the shot? My wife went to Indonesia during all that mess for a funeral. President Jokowi was pretty Draconian about the shot. She managed to get a letter from a doctor online who was exempting people left and right. She had allergies when she was a kid. The people at the airport let her in and she managed to travel around the country without a Covid shot, but they were basically coercing people into it.

If you can't work, can't travel, etc. without the shot, that's some pretty strong coersion.

Eh, COVID nearly killed me, gave me a nasty case of pericarditis and some damage to my heart. Vaccine wasn't available at that time, and the first wave was a very different virus. I will say though, every first time COVID infection I've seen in the last year has landed the person catching it in the ICU, so it still hits hard if you weren't previously exposed.

The thing about COVID is it is a crapshoot of a virus- it infects blood vessels, and if your body happens to have the sort of high reaction to viral infection that causes excessive inflammation, those blood vessels swell and epithelium dies, resulting in clots, heart attacks, respiratory failure due to damage to the alveolar-capillary membrane, etc. It enters your body through ACE2 receptors, which are primarily found on vascular endothelium.

Now, the problem with the vaccine is that it copied a particular part of the virus, the spike protein, that also binds to ACE2. During the process of developing an immune response, the spike protein has various antibodies created against it, somewhat randomly. The people who had problems with the vaccine are those who either developed too strong of an immune response, causing widespread inflammation or clotting, or those that developed cross-reactivity to ACE2 due to the antibody structure responding to a protein that binds to ACE2. This results in antibodies that attack the host's own ACE2 receptors, in addition to COVID, functionally giving people an autoimmune disease. Autoantibodies are generally selected against during the process of developing antibodies, so this only happens in a small subset of people.

But the gist is, the vaccine caused many of the same problems as COVID because the spike protein is nasty due to the sorts of cells that most prominently feature it. Those that didn't develop a severe initial immune response or autoimmune disease in the months after vaccination are almost certainly never going to. There won't be some massive die-off, because anyone that was going to have major complications from the vaccine already would have due to the way the immune system works

[Shemp]

There won't be some massive die-off, because anyone that was going to have major complications from the vaccine already would have due to the way the immune system works

HIV and the Herpes virus that causes shingles have very delayed onset of problems. Rabies isn't as slow as HIV but it still takes months to cause problems. Various viruses have been associated with cancer, and the cancer only becomes evident after many years (virus associated with cervical cancer, for example).

[MrMan]

I can't find the thread, but some years back, someone posted a video saying something like half the world's population would be dead in five years from taking Covid shots. Most of the video presented what seemed to me to be legitimate health concerns about the virus, but the conclusion was rather extreme. I'm trying to remember the dates, but this site here sets the first date of FDA approval for a Covid shot at August 2021. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... 19-vaccine But it says the Pfizer shot was available since December 11, 2020. That was 4 years, 5 months, 3 weeks, and 3 days ago. So not five years yet.

Unless they expected everyone to drop dead at exactly 5 years, it seems unlikely that this medical prediction was true.

That's not to say there are not negative effects from the pseudo-vaccine science experiment that governments pressured or forced people into taking (along with the willful often lemming-like folks who signed up for it.) I sold some household stuff off of Facebook to a man a few days ago who said he'd had a huge blood clot taken from his leg that his doctor thought was Covid-shot related. An ER doctor I know said he'd seen people come in with strange ailments that normally took years to get bad, like a woman with an intestinal blockage, and young men with heart issues that aren't normal. He had taken one Covid shot, but got a religious exemption for the rest as he learned more.

The doctors were pressured to agree with the Covid shot policy back then. It's just now coming out 'officially' in the US that there were certain heart health risks associated with the shot, even though scientific data showed that early on with Israeli young men. It was obvious the doctors were being pressured not to 'follow the science' or at least not to do so independently. There was also a lot of bogus online censorship.

But back to the 50% thing.... no I don't think that will happen. Maybe the Covid shot made sense for high risk old people back then, who had higher risk of dying from the disease than the shot. But they were giving these shots to kids and people in their 20's through 50's. I suspect some people will get some health issues, but I do not predict a mass extinction over it.

I wonder, along the lines of the forum, if any of you are looking for foreign partners, would you look for one who didn't get the shot? My wife went to Indonesia during all that mess for a funeral. President Jokowi was pretty Draconian about the shot. She managed to get a letter from a doctor online who was exempting people left and right. She had allergies when she was a kid. The people at the airport let her in and she managed to travel around the country without a Covid shot, but they were basically coercing people into it.

If you can't work, can't travel, etc. without the shot, that's some pretty strong coersion.

Eh, COVID nearly killed me, gave me a nasty case of pericarditis and some damage to my heart. Vaccine wasn't available at that time, and the first wave was a very different virus. I will say though, every first time COVID infection I've seen in the last year has landed the person catching it in the ICU, so it still hits hard if you weren't previously exposed.

Thank you for weighing in on this. I am glad you recovered. What is your specialty? Do you work with ICU patients? I suspect that your personal experience has a bit of a 'selection error' since you would see the Covid patients at the hospital, not the ones who test positive and sequester at home, or the ones who, now a few years out, just think they have the flu and stay home.

I got some kind of throat irritation a couple of years ago and I tested positive for Covid. This was at the tail end of Covid in my state, when masks were starting to be phase out. (I think places like California and Philadelphia held on to masks and closed schools for on to two years longer than a lot of red and purple states.) Come to think of it, I think it was 2022. My symptoms were a kind of sentimental emotional melancholy, a little throat irritation, and feeling feverish without a fever for a couple of days of that. It probably took just over a week for the post-nasal drip to clear up. I got a lot of colds waiting for buses in Jakarta, but in the past 20 years, I rarely get them, and sometimes if I feel one coming on, I'll point my head down and put saline spray up my nose with about 1 to 5 parts hydrogen peroxide out of the standard brown bottle in there and spray that in my nose to kill stuff. Praise God, I rarely come down with anything.

I don't know if Covid wreaked havock on my insides without me knowing, but I think I'm okay.

That first wave of viruses was terrifying, but then the weaker variants came out, and it seemed to me the government was pushing for pseudovaccines strongly when it made less sense to get one. I'd rather have that light version of the virus than whatever they put in a syringe. Where I lived, the states kind of defended our rights or didn't infringe on them too much. But the federal governments and some of the blue states were rather pushy, and health care professionals faced pressure even where we are. My wife managed to get a letter a doctor would give out to anyone online, and somehow managed to escape the draconian requirements of Indonesia to get shots with that letter, thank God, and could go to her father's funeral and even travel around to some different islands in Indonesia during that time.

The thing about COVID is it is a crapshoot of a virus- it infects blood vessels, and if your body happens to have the sort of high reaction to viral infection that causes excessive inflammation, those blood vessels swell and epithelium dies, resulting in clots, heart attacks, respiratory failure due to damage to the alveolar-capillary membrane, etc. It enters your body through ACE2 receptors, which are primarily found on vascular endothelium.

Now, the problem with the vaccine is that it copied a particular part of the virus, the spike protein, that also binds to ACE2. During the process of developing an immune response, the spike protein has various antibodies created against it, somewhat randomly. The people who had problems with the vaccine are those who either developed too strong of an immune response, causing widespread inflammation or clotting, or those that developed cross-reactivity to ACE2 due to the antibody structure responding to a protein that binds to ACE2. This results in antibodies that attack the host's own ACE2 receptors, in addition to COVID, functionally giving people an autoimmune disease. Autoantibodies are generally selected against during the process of developing antibodies, so this only happens in a small subset of people.

What do you think about the crap shoot of the pseudo-vaccine MRNA treatments they offer for this? I mean, if 5% of people got Covid, and early on 1 to 2% died from it, and it started to weaken into something less lethal after several months, and death rates were low for relatively healthy people up through middle age... then did it make sense to take the vaccines when they were rolling them out and pressuring certain people to take them? Especially now, the virus that survived well was the one that lets the host live to spread it more. Isn't the shot more dangerous than that? Do you know the stats?

It's not just death, it's the damage the virus causes that we don't see... but the shot can cause problems like that in some people.

I'm wondering what you think about flu shots? I think it's dumb, personally. They give you last year's flu shot for the bug going around last season. And a side effect may be 4 days of flu like symptoms, maybe. The chances of getting the flue are reasonably low. The flu isn't lethal. And you have someone injecting something.... and the individual does not know for sure what it is... into their bloodstream? I think I'd rather take my chances with the regular risk of the flu. And these are normal, typically non-lethal bugs, not the Spanish flu. Why would I take a flu shot?

But the gist is, the vaccine caused many of the same problems as COVID because the spike protein is nasty due to the sorts of cells that most prominently feature it. Those that didn't develop a severe initial immune response or autoimmune disease in the months after vaccination are almost certainly never going to. There won't be some massive die-off, because anyone that was going to have major complications from the vaccine already would have due to the way the immune system works

It's possible the shot let to some blood clot somewhere that goes undetected until years later. The damage could have been done from the shot years before, right?

I was asking a few years ago if the shot turned people into GMOs. Others were responding it affected RNA not DNA. But then I read that there was research that showed that those who had taken the shot had some different liver DNA as a result. So maybe the shot did turn some people into genetically modified organisms.

[HouseMD]

I can't find the thread, but some years back, someone posted a video saying something like half the world's population would be dead in five years from taking Covid shots. Most of the video presented what seemed to me to be legitimate health concerns about the virus, but the conclusion was rather extreme. I'm trying to remember the dates, but this site here sets the first date of FDA approval for a Covid shot at August 2021. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-a ... 19-vaccine But it says the Pfizer shot was available since December 11, 2020. That was 4 years, 5 months, 3 weeks, and 3 days ago. So not five years yet.

Unless they expected everyone to drop dead at exactly 5 years, it seems unlikely that this medical prediction was true.

That's not to say there are not negative effects from the pseudo-vaccine science experiment that governments pressured or forced people into taking (along with the willful often lemming-like folks who signed up for it.) I sold some household stuff off of Facebook to a man a few days ago who said he'd had a huge blood clot taken from his leg that his doctor thought was Covid-shot related. An ER doctor I know said he'd seen people come in with strange ailments that normally took years to get bad, like a woman with an intestinal blockage, and young men with heart issues that aren't normal. He had taken one Covid shot, but got a religious exemption for the rest as he learned more.

The doctors were pressured to agree with the Covid shot policy back then. It's just now coming out 'officially' in the US that there were certain heart health risks associated with the shot, even though scientific data showed that early on with Israeli young men. It was obvious the doctors were being pressured not to 'follow the science' or at least not to do so independently. There was also a lot of bogus online censorship.

But back to the 50% thing.... no I don't think that will happen. Maybe the Covid shot made sense for high risk old people back then, who had higher risk of dying from the disease than the shot. But they were giving these shots to kids and people in their 20's through 50's. I suspect some people will get some health issues, but I do not predict a mass extinction over it.

I wonder, along the lines of the forum, if any of you are looking for foreign partners, would you look for one who didn't get the shot? My wife went to Indonesia during all that mess for a funeral. President Jokowi was pretty Draconian about the shot. She managed to get a letter from a doctor online who was exempting people left and right. She had allergies when she was a kid. The people at the airport let her in and she managed to travel around the country without a Covid shot, but they were basically coercing people into it.

If you can't work, can't travel, etc. without the shot, that's some pretty strong coersion.

Eh, COVID nearly killed me, gave me a nasty case of pericarditis and some damage to my heart. Vaccine wasn't available at that time, and the first wave was a very different virus. I will say though, every first time COVID infection I've seen in the last year has landed the person catching it in the ICU, so it still hits hard if you weren't previously exposed.

Thank you for weighing in on this. I am glad you recovered. What is your specialty? Do you work with ICU patients? I suspect that your personal experience has a bit of a 'selection error' since you would see the Covid patients at the hospital, not the ones who test positive and sequester at home, or the ones who, now a few years out, just think they have the flu and stay home.

I got some kind of throat irritation a couple of years ago and I tested positive for Covid. This was at the tail end of Covid in my state, when masks were starting to be phase out. (I think places like California and Philadelphia held on to masks and closed schools for on to two years longer than a lot of red and purple states.) Come to think of it, I think it was 2022. My symptoms were a kind of sentimental emotional melancholy, a little throat irritation, and feeling feverish without a fever for a couple of days of that. It probably took just over a week for the post-nasal drip to clear up. I got a lot of colds waiting for buses in Jakarta, but in the past 20 years, I rarely get them, and sometimes if I feel one coming on, I'll point my head down and put saline spray up my nose with about 1 to 5 parts hydrogen peroxide out of the standard brown bottle in there and spray that in my nose to kill stuff. Praise God, I rarely come down with anything.

I don't know if Covid wreaked havock on my insides without me knowing, but I think I'm okay.

That first wave of viruses was terrifying, but then the weaker variants came out, and it seemed to me the government was pushing for pseudovaccines strongly when it made less sense to get one. I'd rather have that light version of the virus than whatever they put in a syringe. Where I lived, the states kind of defended our rights or didn't infringe on them too much. But the federal governments and some of the blue states were rather pushy, and health care professionals faced pressure even where we are. My wife managed to get a letter a doctor would give out to anyone online, and somehow managed to escape the draconian requirements of Indonesia to get shots with that letter, thank God, and could go to her father's funeral and even travel around to some different islands in Indonesia during that time.

The thing about COVID is it is a crapshoot of a virus- it infects blood vessels, and if your body happens to have the sort of high reaction to viral infection that causes excessive inflammation, those blood vessels swell and epithelium dies, resulting in clots, heart attacks, respiratory failure due to damage to the alveolar-capillary membrane, etc. It enters your body through ACE2 receptors, which are primarily found on vascular endothelium.

Now, the problem with the vaccine is that it copied a particular part of the virus, the spike protein, that also binds to ACE2. During the process of developing an immune response, the spike protein has various antibodies created against it, somewhat randomly. The people who had problems with the vaccine are those who either developed too strong of an immune response, causing widespread inflammation or clotting, or those that developed cross-reactivity to ACE2 due to the antibody structure responding to a protein that binds to ACE2. This results in antibodies that attack the host's own ACE2 receptors, in addition to COVID, functionally giving people an autoimmune disease. Autoantibodies are generally selected against during the process of developing antibodies, so this only happens in a small subset of people.

What do you think about the crap shoot of the pseudo-vaccine MRNA treatments they offer for this? I mean, if 5% of people got Covid, and early on 1 to 2% died from it, and it started to weaken into something less lethal after several months, and death rates were low for relatively healthy people up through middle age... then did it make sense to take the vaccines when they were rolling them out and pressuring certain people to take them? Especially now, the virus that survived well was the one that lets the host live to spread it more. Isn't the shot more dangerous than that? Do you know the stats?

It's not just death, it's the damage the virus causes that we don't see... but the shot can cause problems like that in some people.

I'm wondering what you think about flu shots? I think it's dumb, personally. They give you last year's flu shot for the bug going around last season. And a side effect may be 4 days of flu like symptoms, maybe. The chances of getting the flue are reasonably low. The flu isn't lethal. And you have someone injecting something.... and the individual does not know for sure what it is... into their bloodstream? I think I'd rather take my chances with the regular risk of the flu. And these are normal, typically non-lethal bugs, not the Spanish flu. Why would I take a flu shot?

But the gist is, the vaccine caused many of the same problems as COVID because the spike protein is nasty due to the sorts of cells that most prominently feature it. Those that didn't develop a severe initial immune response or autoimmune disease in the months after vaccination are almost certainly never going to. There won't be some massive die-off, because anyone that was going to have major complications from the vaccine already would have due to the way the immune system works

It's possible the shot let to some blood clot somewhere that goes undetected until years later. The damage could have been done from the shot years before, right?

I was asking a few years ago if the shot turned people into GMOs. Others were responding it affected RNA not DNA. But then I read that there was research that showed that those who had taken the shot had some different liver DNA as a result. So maybe the shot did turn some people into genetically modified organisms.

So hitting your questions in a bit of reverse order because I'm tired and it's late in the country I'm in right now:

mRNA can't incorporate itself into DNA unless you were coinfected with a virus that has the reverse transcriptases required, as well as having the enzymes to incorporate DNA into native strands. Basically, unless you're infected with a retrovirus at the same time as vaccination, it's impossible. So no, the vaccine doesn't make people GMOs.

Risk-wise, you don't get clots that kick around for years, that isn't how things work. Your body breaks down clots or calcifies them over time, resulting in either a clearing of a vessel or atherosclerosis. Technically the latter could theoretically cause issues later on, but the type of issues that lead to atherosclerosis don't fit with either COVID infection or a post-vaccine response. You're either getting screwed relatively immediately or in the next couple of months, otherwise you're fine unless you develop true autoimmune disease, which would make you increasingly ill over time. The latter probably is the cause of some cases of long COVID and since cases of persistent vaccine side effects which are also very rare.

Statistically, you're more likely to have issues from an initial COVID infection than the vaccine. Beyond that? The vaccine seems to stimulate a much stronger reaction than the illness, so it seems more likely to cause averse events, but both are unlikely to do much. I've had COVID 3 times at this point, as well as a mandatory vaccine and booster. Time 1 gave me severe brain fog and pericarditis, and was acquired in the community simultaneous with our first community infections. Almost everyone that got it in that first couple of weeks, myself included, was very ill. Lockdowns hadn't even happened yet. I legitimately thought I was going to die. Pulled through okay in the end but had palpitations for about 2 years afterward.

Next I got the vaccine and then the booster. Both were mandatory and made me as ill as my first COVID infection. My immune system just doesn't respond well to it, I'm in that group, which fits considering I have eczema, anaphylaxis to a few things, etc. My immune system just goes hard. Refused any non-mandatory boosters. Got COVID two times after that, both years later. First time I barely had the sniffles, next time I got the severe brain fog. Neither time was as bad as initial COVID or the vaccines.

I think a single dose of the vaccine is probably better than an initial infection. Boosters? Depends on your immune system. Most people it is likely equivocal, or slightly favoring the vaccine. If you have any history of autoimmune or allergic issues, it probably favors taking your chance with natural infection. I don't think anyone needs more than the first booster if they're reasonably active in their community, as they will get infected often enough to keep immunity up.

The flu, I get because I have to. I think for the general public, only bird and swine flu vaccines targeted only when there are strainsx of concern make sense. For those that are older, the vaccine also makes sense, as the flu hits like a truck as you age. I work with the sick and elderly quite often, so I get the vaccine for their sake rather than my own, as my passing it on to them could kill them. I was there during the first swine flu scare and saw a few young individuals pass, which honestly kind of messed me up. Same deal as with early COVID, people in their 30s with no medical history and bad luck with their immune system. You don't know how bad it is until you're seeing a man beg his 30-something year old unconscious and dying wife to not die and leave him to raise their multiple elementary school age kids alone.

I don't do ICU work anymore, I changed fields because things like that kind of messed me up

[kangarunner]

But the gist is, the vaccine caused many of the same problems as COVID because the spike protein is nasty due to the sorts of cells that most prominently feature it.

I refuse to put any trust into pharamaceutical companies/medical system. They're both for-profit. I'll go with Winston's philosophy to prevent health issues by eating well, fasting, exercise, sleep.

Here I am. A free man living and thriving in Vietnam. Never got COVID. Never took the vaccine. I use a prevention method called.....common sense.

I'll tell ya what will kill you in the long run....living in America.

[yick]

Here I am. A free man living and thriving in Vietnam

I am not bagging you here, glad you have found somewhere that fits your soul but you still have to do visa runs every 30/60/90 days which means you are bound by laws regards staying, at least in the US you can move wherever you want there - even Guam and Puerto Rico and no-one can kick you out. Until you sort out permenant residence for Vietnam. You're not as free as you think.

I'll tell ya what will kill you in the long run....living in America.

Correct! The UK also, living in certain parts of the UK will take 10-15 years off your life.

[HouseMD]

But the gist is, the vaccine caused many of the same problems as COVID because the spike protein is nasty due to the sorts of cells that most prominently feature it.

I refuse to put any trust into pharamaceutical companies/medical system. They're both for-profit. I'll go with Winston's philosophy to prevent health issues by eating well, fasting, exercise, sleep.

Here I am. A free man living and thriving in Vietnam. Never got COVID. Never took the vaccine. I use a prevention method called.....common sense.

I'll tell ya what will kill you in the long run....living in America.

Eating well, exercising, sleeping well, not drinking, not smoking, and not doing drugs will help in a great many things. Fasting has some benefits, but isn't really dramatic in them- personally I do intermittent fasting and it helped me lose a lot of weight. But, like, some things you just end up needing medicine for. You're lucky until you're not. A friend of mine from medical school, she's from a modest family in Vietnam. Her mother has metastatic breast cancer and her father had a severe stroke, both in their very early 60s. It is easy to blame the West, but people statistically die younger in most developing nations due to various reasons, which doesn't really fit with the romantic idea that the West is killing people and the developing world is some healthy paradise.

Health is what you make it, and where you make it. The thing that kills people when they leave the West is usually a combination of hedonism and loneliness leading to a life of excess and internalized stress. If you can avoid those things and live a healthy life otherwise, you can probably kick around for a while. You can eat healthy and live healthy in the West if you know what you're doing, the West only kills you if you let it.

But I suppose my ancillary question would be what you mean by "free." There's little I can do abroad that I can't do in the West, it's no more free, it's just a different vibe. I tend to prefer it, but I've got strong social connections that keep my grounded at home, even if I do only feel like I can recharge abroad. Soon I'll be able to retire, and at that point if I'm no longer working and can support myself... I don't know, I get that same sense of peace in the mountains, on the ocean, anywhere where there aren't people

I guess the difference is that I'm happily married. I suppose if I were single heading overseas might have more appeal. Though if my wife were no longer in the picture at this point it would likely mean something tragic has occurred, and I would probably turn my efforts to something like helping authorities hunt down and convict pedophiles in the Philippines. Would give my life a sense of purpose again, at the very least

[gsjackson]

It was Luc Montagnier who made the prediction. He believed that something called antibody-dependent enhancement would cripple the immune systems of vaccine recipients and make them vulnerable to evolving virus strains.

Always good to see House weighing in. I believe the only MD we've ever had here.

[gsjackson]

It was Luc Montagnier who made the prediction. He believed that something called antibody-dependent enhancement would cripple the immune systems of vaccine recipients and make them vulnerable to evolving virus strains.

Always good to see House weighing in. I believe the only MD we've ever had here.