Rygar1 misconception (pulled from another thread)

[Shemp]

I didn't want to hijack the banning thread, so starting a new thread

He [hb2345]definitely knew his stuff about women and thier ways. He said some rather nasty things toward me as well, but you know what, alot of it is true. When you've pretty much been told your whole life by mommy and family members and eventually girls in high school and then work places how handsome you are...that's all you have. No other aspect of my personality has been developed cause I didn't have to do it. It works well in your teens and 20s, but as you get older...not so much. You're scratching your ass meanwhile 'ugly' dudes are pulling and fu cking attractive women every day. It's a harsh reality check. I'm getting left behind, and it's becoming very difficult to make the transition back to 'normal'. Failure to adapt is definitely a part of the issue.

I don't have the patience to read hb2345's endless bitch fests about women but no, he does not understand them from the little i did read. He just regurgitates red pill manosphere gobbledegook. If you are handsome, then no you don't have to develop other aspects of your personality. Just improve your existing appearance and let the women come to you. This is made vastly easier and more effective in your case because you are, by your own admission, not strongly motivated to chase women.

Passivity is a feminine trait but it can be incredibly powerful in the hands of a handsome man who is capable of taking the masculine role in bed. First there needs to be attraction, typically visual if the other person is at a distance, but later other senses can become involved. Once someone is attracted, they act to get closer to what attracts them. Such action is called "commitment" is marketing, like when a window shopper first enters the store. Given that they entered the store, their mind has to justify this commitment of time and energy, so they have to admit to themselves that they are attracted to something in the store, otherwise they would feel inner conflict between actions and beliefs, and such action is painful. Avoiding inner conflict is called "consistency". If the woman does not commit, then her passivity cancels the mans, so such women are off limits. But if the man is truly passive, he won't care much about this loss.

After the woman has made a move towards a man or shopper towards an object, the key is not at scare them off while revealing other aspects of the man/object that they might also find attractive and to show them that they can possess the object if they want, and then to use other marketing techniques to raise the buying temperature to fever level. Thus there have to be other aspects of the you that are attractive to the woman. The simplest and easiest thing to offer is attention. So if a girl is shows obvious attraction to you, simply reflect the attraction back by not letting your attention drift from her, without scaring off. You can practice this with a cat. Keep you attention laser focused on the cat without doing something to scare it off. Passivity itself is non threatening, so the more passive you are while continuing to direct attention, the better. With women, you'll need to smile or otherwise adjust your face to be non threatening. With cats, slow eye blink. You may need to physically approach women and initiate conversation. Once the conversation is started, revert to passivity while continuing to focus non stop attention on the woman. Conversation will likely become awkward and end. That's fine. Let her go . If the woman is interested, she will eventually seek you out again. If not interested, there will be others. This is the advantage of passivity (you dont much care about losing her) mixed with handsomeness (steady stream of new prospects).

Cialdini list 6 sales person's Weapons of Influence : Reciprocation, Committment and Consistency, Social Proof, Liking, Authority, Scarcity. We already addressed Commitment and Consistency. Reciprocation is good for business selling (offer the buyer a free cup of coffee and they reciprocate by buying a house or car from you) but not so much in human relationships. Social proof is extremely important but best done indirectly. Authority is laughable with respect to human relationships. So that leaves liking and scarcity, which can be applied after the woman has gotten to know you better.

At some point, tell the woman "I like you" or something similar (but only if true!) then silence. Very powerful. Scarcity ("limited time offer! supplies strictly limited! once existing stock is sold, we cannot restock!") is extremely powerful but dangerous because buyer may suspect you are lying or they may feel excessively pressured. With women, the simplest thing is to just reveal (in case it isn't obvious) at some point during conversation that you are looking for a glrlfriend and let her imagination do the work ("he's just sitting there waiting to be taken, if I don't grab him, someone else will").

Continue the passivity and let the woman make most of the next moves all the way up to arranging a place for sex. Then you have to be prepared to take the masculine role, because too much passivity is not sustainable with normal women. On the other hand, not being eager about sex can be very useful because it means you will not prematurely ejaculate. If you have a normal sized penis and can keep it rock hard during penetration for 30+ minutes, without ejaculating until after the woman's orgasm is fully complete, then you can bring her to vaginal/cervical orgasm through penetration alone (if you have good sense of rhythm), which is what most women want. Good masculine acting sex combined with handsomeness and passive agreeableness and laser focused attention is an extremely powerful combination. Only if the woman also badly needs extra money would this combination fail to keep her indefinitely. If you have money in addition, then the total combination is unbeatable and you will likely be the one to end the relationship.

hb2345 is a repulsive creature and so the above strategy will not work with him. I don't read his tiresome advice but I'd be surprised if he had any experience with quality women.

Worrying about other guys having more sex than you puts you in hb2345's frame of desperate horny guy who has nothing to offer but displays of crude horniness, and thus destroys the natural attractiveness of a handsome but passive and thus feminine acting man. Instead of the offering passive attention, you have to aggressively pursue the woman, which you've never done before and so is obviously not your natural style. Aggressive pursuit by desperate horny guys, even complete losers, works on some women (especially the lowest quality) because it makes the woman feel sexually desired, however such desperation signals loudly that the man is not charming and not handsome and not rich (rich men just pay for sex), and the preceding describes hb2345, and that is why he has to be so aggressive as a substitute.

[Rygar1]

I didn't want to hijack the banning thread, so starting a new thread

He [hb2345]definitely knew his stuff about women and thier ways. He said some rather nasty things toward me as well, but you know what, alot of it is true. When you've pretty much been told your whole life by mommy and family members and eventually girls in high school and then work places how handsome you are...that's all you have. No other aspect of my personality has been developed cause I didn't have to do it. It works well in your teens and 20s, but as you get older...not so much. You're scratching your ass meanwhile 'ugly' dudes are pulling and fu cking attractive women every day. It's a harsh reality check. I'm getting left behind, and it's becoming very difficult to make the transition back to 'normal'. Failure to adapt is definitely a part of the issue.

I don't have the patience to read hb2345's endless bitch fests about women but no, he does not understand them from the little i did read. He just regurgitates red pill manosphere gobbledegook. If you are handsome, then no you don't have to develop other aspects of your personality. Just improve your existing appearance and let the women come to you. This is made vastly easier and more effective in your case because you are, by your own admission, not strongly motivated to chase women.

Passivity is a feminine trait but it can be incredibly powerful in the hands of a handsome man who is capable of taking the masculine role in bed. First there needs to be attraction, typically visual if the other person is at a distance, but later other senses can become involved. Once someone is attracted, they act to get closer to what attracts them. Such action is called "commitment" is marketing, like when a window shopper first enters the store. Given that they entered the store, their mind has to justify this commitment of time and energy, so they have to admit to themselves that they are attracted to something in the store, otherwise they would feel inner conflict between actions and beliefs, and such action is painful. Avoiding inner conflict is called "consistency". If the woman does not commit, then her passivity cancels the mans, so such women are off limits. But if the man is truly passive, he won't care much about this loss.

After the woman has made a move towards a man or shopper towards an object, the key is not at scare them off while revealing other aspects of the man/object that they might also find attractive and to show them that they can possess the object if they want, and then to use other marketing techniques to raise the buying temperature to fever level. Thus there have to be other aspects of the you that are attractive to the woman. The simplest and easiest thing to offer is attention. So if a girl is shows obvious attraction to you, simply reflect the attraction back by not letting your attention drift from her, without scaring off. You can practice this with a cat. Keep you attention laser focused on the cat without doing something to scare it off. Passivity itself is non threatening, so the more passive you are while continuing to direct attention, the better. With women, you'll need to smile or otherwise adjust your face to be non threatening. With cats, slow eye blink. You may need to physically approach women and initiate conversation. Once the conversation is started, revert to passivity while continuing to focus non stop attention on the woman. Conversation will likely become awkward and end. That's fine. Let her go . If the woman is interested, she will eventually seek you out again. If not interested, there will be others. This is the advantage of passivity (you dont much care about losing her) mixed with handsomeness (steady stream of new prospects).

Cialdini list 6 sales person's Weapons of Influence : Reciprocation, Committment and Consistency, Social Proof, Liking, Authority, Scarcity. We already addressed Commitment and Consistency. Reciprocation is good for business selling (offer the buyer a free cup of coffee and they reciprocate by buying a house or car from you) but not so much in human relationships. Social proof is extremely important but best done indirectly. Authority is laughable with respect to human relationships. So that leaves liking and scarcity, which can be applied after the woman has gotten to know you better.

At some point, tell the woman "I like you" or something similar (but only if true!) then silence. Very powerful. Scarcity ("limited time offer! supplies strictly limited! once existing stock is sold, we cannot restock!") is extremely powerful but dangerous because buyer may suspect you are lying or they may feel excessively pressured. With women, the simplest thing is to just reveal (in case it isn't obvious) at some point during conversation that you are looking for a glrlfriend and let her imagination do the work ("he's just sitting there waiting to be taken, if I don't grab him, someone else will").

Continue the passivity and let the woman make most of the next moves all the way up to arranging a place for sex. Then you have to be prepared to take the masculine role, because too much passivity is not sustainable with normal women. On the other hand, not being eager about sex can be very useful because it means you will not prematurely ejaculate. If you have a normal sized penis and can keep it rock hard during penetration for 30+ minutes, without ejaculating until after the woman's orgasm is fully complete, then you can bring her to vaginal/cervical orgasm through penetration alone (if you have good sense of rhythm), which is what most women want. Good masculine acting sex combined with handsomeness and passive agreeableness and laser focused attention is an extremely powerful combination. Only if the woman also badly needs extra money would this combination fail to keep her indefinitely. If you have money in addition, then the total combination is unbeatable and you will likely be the one to end the relationship.

hb2345 is a repulsive creature and so the above strategy will not work with him. I don't read his tiresome advice but I'd be surprised if he had any experience with quality women.

Worrying about other guys having more sex than you puts you in hb2345's frame of desperate horny guy who has nothing to offer but displays of crude horniness, and thus destroys the natural attractiveness of a handsome but passive and thus feminine acting man. Instead of the offering passive attention, you have to aggressively pursue the woman, which you've never done before and so is obviously not your natural style. Aggressive pursuit by desperate horny guys, even complete losers, works on some women (especially the lowest quality) because it makes the woman feel sexually desired, however such desperation signals loudly that the man is not charming and not handsome and not rich (rich men just pay for sex), and the preceding describes hb2345, and that is why he has to be so aggressive as a substitute.

Well, it seemed to me that ol hb2345 was someone just itching to get things off his chest. He was a very agreesive angry man, and I kind of yielded to that. It was like verbal aikido, if you will. I challenged him intelllectualy, and in my opinion, I think he did well. I mean you can read the discourse. I don't agree with all of his advice, but most of it reasonable. One of the things that I do in life is to assimilate what someone says and then kind of remember if anyone else has said it, then again, and again. If it's just one man's opinion, shrug it off, but if several times different people have more or less claimed the same belief, there is probably some credence to it.

Looks definitely matter, especially when young. There is no doubt that young immature women would fu ck guys because they're hot. End of story. She wants to have sex with him for no other reason than he's fu cking handsome as he'll. But that just simply doesn't last. I'll say mid 20s onward, if you haven't developed anything else...you're gonna struggle. It gets to the point where an average guy who hustles will outperform a good looking guy who slacks. Girls generally like guys that are energetic, enthusiastic, positive people. Nobody wants to be around an aloof debbie downer type.

Certainly like the psychology behind your analysis as well. There is undoubtedly a lot of it at play. As you correctly point out, you just...gotta want it, alot. I have, practically never asked a woman out for example, they've just a.ways come to me. I have to learn alot of new material .ALOT. All the psychological tricks don't mean squat when you just don't give a damn. It's primarily a matter of removing these inhibitions first, before anything else.

I mean, when you're really this far down, where do you go? Books are good, I suppose, but something else, bigger, majestic, profound. Life changing, on large scale basis.

[Shemp]

>handsome as he'll. But that just simply doesn't last. I'll say mid 20s onward, if you haven't developed anything else...you're gonna struggle. It gets to the point where an average guy who hustles will outperform a good looking guy who slacks. Girls generally like guys that are energetic, enthusiastic, positive people. Nobody wants to be around an aloof debbie downer type.

Wrong. It works at any age. Go search on that YouTube video of a gymnast in her 90's. Extremely attractive on the basis of looks alone (because she smiles, i mentioned smiling, i never said debbie downer or anything similar). Men can also be attractive in their 90's. Competition gets easier the older a man gets because most men are fat. Search YouTube for those 80yo Chinese guy doing muscle ups, full splits, etc. They also smile and are extremely physically attractive. Not to every woman and certainly not to young women looking for a husband, but for short term sex not leading to pregnancy, definitely very attractive. As I've noted before, i get plenty of attention from women 30 years younger (age 28 and up) Had to fight them off in Kyiv prior to the war, because i knew the young ones were looking for husbands and the old ones just don't do it for me. Now, yes I have other things besides looks, but women don't care about my intelligence, my personality is of very dubious attractiveness, and I hide my wealth, so it was and is mainly looks that draws women to me. Looks is part genetic, part effort. A 10 is a 7 that put in some effort, for both sexes. A 4 is often a 7 that got fat, is poorly groomed and dressed, has an unpleasant expression on his or her face, like in that video of hb2345.l (https://m.youtube.com/shorts/GSggVSby5x4). Voyager1 isn't as bad as hb2345 in looks, though we all know Voyager1 is fat, poorly dressed and poorly groomed, typical expat slob of the sort i try to avoid in Europe because I don't want to be found guilty by association.

No I did not say you gotta want it [sex]. I said the opposite. The less you want, the more attractive you become. Neediness is repulsive and desire very related to neediness. Attention is attractive because you are giving, pouring out energy. Neediness is receptive, taking energy from other people. @Voyager1 is needy, which is why he is so annoying. You are acting needy too, in many of your posts.

Though you might want to imitate Voyager1 in paying, simply to get experience so you know how to f*ck. Get a much older prostitute and tell her you want to learn how to bring women to orgasm using just vaginal penetration. Voyager1 probably liked that young girl whore because he is so incompetent and was hoping she wouldn't have enough experience to notice. The free sex he gets is with unattractive women who are flattered by his neediness because no one else pays attention to them and so they tolerate him, though they can see right through him and recognize he's a complete twat. I'm sure @yick would agree with me on this.

[Rygar1]

Nobody would disagree that looks don't play at least a moderate part. But it's just surface level, eye candy. I try to go by my own experience as much as possible, and others may differ, but it really hasn't given me a noticeable advantage. It's like Winston says time and again, every and I mean EVERY girl has a boyfriend. And even on the rare occasion one doesn't, she just politely rejects you, indirectly, by acting disinterested over the phone or in person at a later date.

I should clarify what I meant by wanting it...I didn't mean IT as in sex, just IT as a whole, the pursuit, the 'game'. The girl, the relationship, you just gotta want it.

There may indeed be some sort of neediness coming across, although I don't intend to be that way. I generally acted somewhat enthusiastic towards the ones I liked, but it just never seems to go anywhere. I just don't seem to just have some innate 'skills set that others have. Maybe i should just forget about all this stuff for while and work on myself. Very interesting how you mention facial expressions, as I have been reading up on how even minute changes in facial musculature can influence our emotional states.

Ill actually reluctantly agree with hb2345 in that not everyone is cut out for 'dating'. It takes a lot of strength and willpower to meet, date, fu ck, live with women nowadays and it definitely isn't for everybody. Some of his views have some merit.

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[Voyager1]

Saying that you're not needy is being dishonest with yourself. Every guy is needy and desires to have sex. Frank might be right not to show it too much but it's not really crucial.

Don't put sex on a pedestal too much Rygar1. Seek companionship first and sex will naturally come with time. Of course you have to be presentable, have good hygiene, be courteous and have good manners. Women who are not whores want to see the gentleman in you

[MrMan]

>handsome as he'll. But that just simply doesn't last. I'll say mid 20s onward, if you haven't developed anything else...you're gonna struggle. It gets to the point where an average guy who hustles will outperform a good looking guy who slacks. Girls generally like guys that are energetic, enthusiastic, positive people. Nobody wants to be around an aloof debbie downer type.

Wrong. It works at any age. Go search on that YouTube video of a gymnast in her 90's. Extremely attractive on the basis of looks alone (because she smiles, i mentioned smiling, i never said debbie downer or anything similar). Men can also be attractive in their 90's.

That piqued my curiosity, so I looked the lady up. She seems like a sweet grandma, not something I want to say anything bad about, and she does stuff most of us probably can't do on the bars and the mat... but attractive... really? Maybe we have different standards when it comes to looks and body shape. Maybe one would say 'very nice legs for her age.'

[my life is trash]

Women who are not whores want to see the gentleman in you

All women are whores, including our mothers.

[Rygar1]

Saying that you're not needy is being dishonest with yourself. Every guy is needy and desires to have sex. Frank might be right not to show it too much but it's not really crucial.

Don't put sex on a pedestal too much Rygar1. Seek companionship first and sex will naturally come with time. Of course you have to be presentable, have good hygiene, be courteous and have good manners. Women who are not whores want to see the gentleman in you

Fair enough. I don't think it's any secret we are horny bastards, especially when young. Not trying to sound conceded or anything, but I think there is, at least, a moderate amount of societal pressure for 'hot' guys to pull ass and get laid all the time. It messes with your mind. You realize you missed out on it, and it may be too late.

I agree putting the pu ssy up on a pedestal is problematic. A c0ck and a twat should technically be on an equal footing, but again, social norms have tilted the table towards the latter. Or it at least seems that way.

Who is Frank?

[Voyager1]

Who is Frank?

Shemp

[Rygar1]

Who is Frank?

Shemp

So he's Frank Shemp?

[Rygar1]

Women who are not whores want to see the gentleman in you

All women are whores, including our mothers.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that MANY of my issues with the opposite sex stem from my relationship and upbringing with her.

[Voyager1]

Guys don't call your moms whore. They carried you 9 months in their womb. That's sacred holy grail

[Rygar1]

Guys don't call your moms whore. They carried you 9 months in their womb. That's sacred holy grail

Be that as it may, she's a mentally disturbed whack job.

[Voyager1]

So he's Frank Shemp?

He is. He's a pervert

[Rygar1]

So he's Frank Shemp?

He is. He's a pervert

But he's been laid 2000 times.