Rygar1 misconception (pulled from another thread)

[my life is trash]

Guys don't call your moms whore. They carried you 9 months in their womb. That's sacred holy grail

Be that as it may, she's a mentally disturbed whack job.

If my Dad didn't have me at age 60 and my Mom didn't have me at age 40, I likely would've born f***ing normal without all my mental and physical defects.

[yick]

>handsome as he'll. But that just simply doesn't last. I'll say mid 20s onward, if you haven't developed anything else...you're gonna struggle. It gets to the point where an average guy who hustles will outperform a good looking guy who slacks. Girls generally like guys that are energetic, enthusiastic, positive people. Nobody wants to be around an aloof debbie downer type.

Wrong. It works at any age. Go search on that YouTube video of a gymnast in her 90's. Extremely attractive on the basis of looks alone (because she smiles, i mentioned smiling, i never said debbie downer or anything similar). Men can also be attractive in their 90's. Competition gets easier the older a man gets because most men are fat. Search YouTube for those 80yo Chinese guy doing muscle ups, full splits, etc. They also smile and are extremely physically attractive. Not to every woman and certainly not to young women looking for a husband, but for short term sex not leading to pregnancy, definitely very attractive. As I've noted before, i get plenty of attention from women 30 years younger (age 28 and up) Had to fight them off in Kyiv prior to the war, because i knew the young ones were looking for husbands and the old ones just don't do it for me. Now, yes I have other things besides looks, but women don't care about my intelligence, my personality is of very dubious attractiveness, and I hide my wealth, so it was and is mainly looks that draws women to me. Looks is part genetic, part effort. A 10 is a 7 that put in some effort, for both sexes. A 4 is often a 7 that got fat, is poorly groomed and dressed, has an unpleasant expression on his or her face, like in that video of hb2345.l (https://m.youtube.com/shorts/GSggVSby5x4). Voyager1 isn't as bad as hb2345 in looks, though we all know Voyager1 is fat, poorly dressed and poorly groomed, typical expat slob of the sort i try to avoid in Europe because I don't want to be found guilty by association.

No I did not say you gotta want it [sex]. I said the opposite. The less you want, the more attractive you become. Neediness is repulsive and desire very related to neediness. Attention is attractive because you are giving, pouring out energy. Neediness is receptive, taking energy from other people. @Voyager1 is needy, which is why he is so annoying. You are acting needy too, in many of your posts.

Though you might want to imitate Voyager1 in paying, simply to get experience so you know how to f*ck. Get a much older prostitute and tell her you want to learn how to bring women to orgasm using just vaginal penetration. Voyager1 probably liked that young girl whore because he is so incompetent and was hoping she wouldn't have enough experience to notice. The free sex he gets is with unattractive women who are flattered by his neediness because no one else pays attention to them and so they tolerate him, though they can see right through him and recognize he's a complete twat. I'm sure @yick would agree with me on this.

Good post both times, Frank!

I think the poster you are replying to is a bit mixed up about what his positive traits are though, he says he is handsome (he probably is...) and he thinks he is an intellectual (like most people, he probably rates himself far higher than what he is...) do looks matter in a man? Somewhat, does intelligence - only if he is reaping the rewards of intellect like earning lots of money being a brain surgeon - I don't think most women are interested in some unemployed, low skilled guy who can quote Voltaire.

My brother was very successful with women and dated not one but TWO Miss Norways - did he had to work at it to get to the level where he could attract and date Nordic beauty queens and the answer is yes? Was a lot of it in him naturally, confidence, charm etc? Yes, there are things had also had going for him like height and figure and he is a good looking guy but he had to work at it. Not many guys want to work at it, my two cousins from South America would practice dance moves in their spare time, their British friends thought they were a pair of homos for doing it but who got the women off the dance floor at the end of the night? Not the British guys who were stood at the sidelines watching my cousins boogying away with the hotties whilst they were all stood there watching on with faces like a smacked arse.

I know of a man who has 18 kids, all daughters, never worked, does drugs but can find and impregnate women of his level which he is happy to do, a lot of it is that as well, we all want a higher level than we can attract, a man who realises what his true level is is a man who will always do well with women, the thing with Voyager was that back in the early years of the milenium he was able to beat the system by going to Russia but because he was lacking in the basics of attractiveness, he would get sex in exchange of school fees so I suppose Voyager in his own way was proactive because he went to Russia where he knew his worth was slightly higher than back in the US but I am sure none of the women he was f***ing in Russia were beauty queens but would have been a higher calibre than what was back home.

Men have to work at it, gain skills, gain confidence, have the demeanour of a man who doesn't need sex or companionship, they need to be successful which is probably the most important thing to have and then the money comes along which women love - ask Flavio Briattore - he is fat, old and not very good looking but impregnated two supermodels and married the third but being a billionaire and having a fleet of helicopters to take them on dates helps.

Arab Sheiks would hire 'Page 3 girls' who were household names in the UK and as famous as football stars at the time to strip down, rub them with baby oil and have them rolling around in 50 pound notes and what stuck to their bodies, they kept. Would they do that for Dave Jones the car mechanic in Southampton who was handsome? Would they hell!

[yick]

And there is a massive difference between being 'handsome' and being 'attractive to women' and are in fact, two entirely different things. Elliott Rodger was handsome but very unattractive to women. Women have in built radar about what you're about and what you're not.

Also, dating/attracting women is a game of ability with rules just like baseball, chess etc, you're just going have to accept there are plenty of men who are naturally better at it than you and don't need the effort required to get women that you might have to put in. The reality is nobody gives a damn if you die a virgin, many men die virgins in China and India and yep - in America too the demographic least of all who cares are women.

[Voyager1]

So he's Frank Shemp?

He is. He's a pervert

But he's been laid 2000 times.

Who cares? Tell me a time he didn't have to pay for it

[Voyager1]

I suppose Voyager in his own way was proactive because he went to Russia where he knew his worth was slightly higher than back in the US but I am sure none of the women he was f***ing in Russia were beauty queens but would have been a higher calibre than what was back home.

I would say that the women I slept with all over Eastern Europe were not "beauty queens". The one difference though is that almost all were slender.

I remember going to a bar here in my hometown and almost every girl in the bar was a porker with the exception of the college girl bartending.

I think just the diet in Eastern Europe is better and healthier. They eat more natural and nutritious foods not laced with chemicals and additives. Also they get a lot more exercise there. They walk everywhere

[Shemp]

So he's Frank Shemp?

He is. He's a pervert

But he's been laid 2000 times.

Who cares? Tell me a time he didn't have to pay for it

@Rygar1 cares very much. He is obsessed with numbers. I am 64 and my active sex life is compressed into maybe 100 months total (=8.3 years) but not necessarily consecutive months. Big gaps in those 64 years, in other words. Those 100 months tended to be very active, with daily or twice daily sex in many cases and at least three times weekly in others, so getting to 2000 is easy, as you can see by using a calculator. This is typical for many people, in that there is lots of sex when they first meet a new partner then things quiet down after a few months/years, but this Rygar1 seems not to be able to understand this, though i explained it before.

The one thing Rygar1 does understand is that his mind has been demon possessed by a need to have a big "score" and to feel like a loser without a big score. Allowing other people to think for you is a formula for unhappiness. I don't ask other people what or how much to eat. I eat what and how much I want. If I can't get the food I want, for whatever reason, then I eat the best I can get. If nothing available that I want, I go hungry. So far, I've eaten at least 100K times, combination full meals and snacks, in my life. Same with women. I don't let other people tell me what to want regarding women and sex. For example, I don't let you tell me that free sex is better than paid sex, when my own experience says the opposite.

[Voyager1]

@Shemp Pierre Woodman the famous European porn producer who is about your age has had 10000+ different sex partners. Who cares? I would say his sex life is only marginally better than the average Joe because of the variety of different women he gets to sleep with. He gets different nuances from each woman. I wouldn't say his sex life is that much better.

So I don't really care how many meals you've eaten, etc. I am more interested in stories on this forum of men who have travelled and developed relationships with real women without having to pay for it.

@Rygar1 If you want to have a GFE then you need to get a real girlfriend. Nothing can replace that. Winston spent $1500+ at Bunny Ranch and got nothing for it. If he had taken that and put it into finding a real girlfriend. It doesn't matter where. He could have gone to Poland or Latvia or Ukraine. He could have succeeded

[Voyager1]

If my Dad didn't have me at age 60 and my Mom didn't have me at age 40, I likely would've born f***ing normal without all my mental and physical defects.

That don't make sense. You said you're 22. Your dad is 82?

[Shemp]

If anyone is interested in examples of the sexual attractiveness of passivity of handsome men, watch Andy Warhol films Flesh, Heat and Trash, all starring Joe Dallesandro, who drove girls wild with his passivity. These are films but everyone was acting like their normal selves and Joe Dallesandro was notorious in the late 1960's-1970's New York downtown underground arts scene as the guy all girls wanted, whereas he apparently didn't want anyone. There are other films in the series with Joe Dallesandro but those are the ones I watched.

[yick]

So he's Frank Shemp?

He is. He's a pervert

But he's been laid 2000 times.

Who cares? Tell me a time he didn't have to pay for it

@Rygar1 cares very much. He is obsessed with numbers. I am 64 and my active sex life is compressed into maybe 100 months total (=8.3 years) but not necessarily consecutive months. Big gaps in those 64 years, in other words. Those 100 months tended to be very active, with daily or twice daily sex in many cases and at least three times weekly in others, so getting to 2000 is easy, as you can see by using a calculator. This is typical for many people, in that there is lots of sex when they first meet a new partner then things quiet down after a few months/years, but this Rygar1 seems not to be able to understand this, though i explained it before.

The one thing Rygar1 does understand is that his mind has been demon possessed by a need to have a big "score" and to feel like a loser without a big score. Allowing other people to think for you is a formula for unhappiness. I don't ask other people what or how much to eat. I eat what and how much I want. If I can't get the food I want, for whatever reason, then I eat the best I can get. If nothing available that I want, I go hungry. So far, I've eaten at least 100K times, combination full meals and snacks, in my life. Same with women. I don't let other people tell me what to want regarding women and sex. For example, I don't let you tell me that free sex is better than paid sex, when my own experience says the opposite.

I think Rygar 1 doesn't want to put the effort in and thinks he is in the room when he basically isn't. Elliott Rodger could have got girlfriends if he had gone to Beijing, Kuala Lumpur etc - as a handsome hapa male with wealth, he would have got the beauties and been the envy of a lot of white guys but he wanted the blonde beauty and died a virgin. All of us on here are commenting from experience that we have gone abroad and life has been an improvement on whatever front. Rygar doesn't talk about this as a solution - it would be a solution like it has been for @kangarunner he has left Memphis which was destroying him and now he seems to be happier, not happy but he is on the road to it if he can let go of the past. Not easy I know.

He talks about how handsome he is - you can be handsome and repulsive to women. He keeps talking about his high IQ and intellect (or he alludes to it at least...) but unless he can prove it with his achievements then no-one will give a f**k - especially women.

[my life is trash]

If my Dad didn't have me at age 60 and my Mom didn't have me at age 40, I likely would've born f***ing normal without all my mental and physical defects.

That don't make sense. You said you're 22. Your dad is 82?

Yes he is 82 and my mom is 62.

[my life is trash]

And there is a massive difference between being 'handsome' and being 'attractive to women' and are in fact, two entirely different things. Elliott Rodger was handsome but very unattractive to women. Women have in built radar about what you're about and what you're not.

Also, dating/attracting women is a game of ability with rules just like baseball, chess etc, you're just going have to accept there are plenty of men who are naturally better at it than you and don't need the effort required to get women that you might have to put in. The reality is nobody gives a damn if you die a virgin, many men die virgins in China and India and yep - in America too the demographic least of all who cares are women.

No there isn't you bluepilled knobhead. He was unattractive to women because he looked like a faggot, women don't want a feminine looking man like him especially in the west where many foids look more masculine than him. Women don't have a "built in radar" which is what cucks always say, they just judge you based on your looks or when they get older how much you can betabuxx after they have gotten f***ed by thousands of Chads and Tyrones through the years and then eventually they will divorce the "ugly" guy who is more talented than the good looking guys because all they really care about is looks. Jeremy Meeks is a good looking felon who got arrested for being a piece of shit and beating up a kid and women loved him because of how he looked and even dated a British Jew billionaire cunt because of his looks. they date good looking criminals and thugs all the time over uglier good beta males with actual talent who are incels in the west so where is their "radar" you retard?

Rygar1 probably isn't as good looking as he thinks he is if he's on this elderly incel forum and foids don't give him any attention and it doesn't matter if they say you are, they tell ugly men they're good looking all the time just so they don't feel bad. All of the men on here failed with women in their home countries due to being too ugly so they went to third world countries where the standards are so low that even old perverts can easily pay foids for sex so they're not good for asking advice. Shemp is right that actual good looking men don't have to do any work to get foids.

[Rygar1]

OK, there was certainly alot to digest here, but I'll do my best.

@Shemp

The amount of times you've been laid is certainly believable.i beleive, for the record, you've had sex thousands if times. I really do. The math adds up. Couple has been together for ten years, that's 3600 days. If she's on her period one quarter of those days, in total, subtract 900 from that which leaves 2700 days in ten years available for sex. It's 2700 daily, half if every other day. Is my math correct? Yes, from what I gather, most folks usually have a lot of it at first, then it dies down. This seems very common among a lot of women I've spoken to.

@Voyager1

I dont beleive I'm an intellectual per se. I think I speak well, have a good vocabulary, and can come across as charming. But if I were to take a standardized iq test, I would probably score average. I think the word 'curious' is more applicable than 'intelligent'. The two may be related, however, but I still think they're different skills. I'm good at 'big picture' ideas, but terrible with details.

@yick
Yeah, there is a sort of laziness factor that plays a part in this. What did you mean by I'm not in the room? I'm not getting noticed? I'm not in the game?

@my life is trash
looks fade. Guys gain weight. There's nothing you can do about it, father time catches up to everyone. Presently, I'd rate myself a 6.5 to 7 on a 1 to 10. Foids don't give you attention because
1. You're simply not around them as much as you were in youth (i.e school, work environments, college, etc) Social circles tend to dwindle with age, so it's a numbers game.
2. The overwhelming majority of reasonably attractive girls(5s to 7s) are taken by mid to late 20s. Women in serious relationships usually give off vibes that indicate this. So when you're at, for example, gyms, pools, grocery stores, they're aloof because they're taken. It's that simple.

[Rygar1]

Also, dating/attracting women is a game of ability with rules just like baseball, chess etc, you're just going have to accept there are plenty of men who are naturally better at it than you and don't need the effort required to get women that you might have to put in. The reality is nobody gives a damn if you die a virgin, many men die virgins in China and India and yep - in America too the demographic least of all who cares are women.

Excellent point, been saying this for years. It's a skill set like any other, some are naturally better than others, but I still think a good deal can be learned.

[my life is trash]

Also, dating/attracting women is a game of ability with rules just like baseball, chess etc, you're just going have to accept there are plenty of men who are naturally better at it than you and don't need the effort required to get women that you might have to put in. The reality is nobody gives a damn if you die a virgin, many men die virgins in China and India and yep - in America too the demographic least of all who cares are women.

Excellent point, been saying this for years. It's a skill set like any other, some are naturally better than others, but I still think a good deal can be learned.

No it's not you bluepilled retard look up the atomic blackpill and see how getting foids is not a skill and just based on your looks.