Rygar1 misconception (pulled from another thread)

[yick]

And there is a massive difference between being 'handsome' and being 'attractive to women' and are in fact, two entirely different things. Elliott Rodger was handsome but very unattractive to women. Women have in built radar about what you're about and what you're not.

Also, dating/attracting women is a game of ability with rules just like baseball, chess etc, you're just going have to accept there are plenty of men who are naturally better at it than you and don't need the effort required to get women that you might have to put in. The reality is nobody gives a damn if you die a virgin, many men die virgins in China and India and yep - in America too the demographic least of all who cares are women.

No there isn't you bluepilled knobhead. He was unattractive to women because he looked like a faggot, women don't want a feminine looking man like him especially in the west where many foids look more masculine than him.

Which is what I said.

He was handsome but unattractive to women - thanks for agreeing with me.

[yick]

@yick
Yeah, there is a sort of laziness factor that plays a part in this. What did you mean by I'm not in the room? I'm not getting noticed? I'm not in the game?

Men need to be proactive in all areas of life to get the things they want. This goes double for women. There are always things that need to be improved/tweaked on. Most of us have moved around the world to get what we want, the world is a big place. Where do you live now? Are you happy there?

[Shemp]

Men need to be proactive in all areas of life to get the things they want. This goes double for women. There are always things that need to be improved/tweaked on. Most of us have moved around the world to get what we want, the world is a big place. Where do you live now? Are you happy there?

The whole point of my OP was that handsome men don't really need to be proactive. Yes, they need to maximize their handsomeness and develop social skills, but this is what women do. That is, handsome men can act like women and be mostly passive. It's ordinary men who have to take a purely masculine role.

[Rygar1]

@yick
Yeah, there is a sort of laziness factor that plays a part in this. What did you mean by I'm not in the room? I'm not getting noticed? I'm not in the game?

Men need to be proactive in all areas of life to get the things they want. This goes double for women. There are always things that need to be improved/tweaked on. Most of us have moved around the world to get what we want, the world is a big place. Where do you live now? Are you happy there?

It's okay at best. It's a typical east coast run of the mill suburb. As winston says, they're soulless, bland, uninspiring places. But it's home, a decent neighborhood. The overwhelming majority of women taken and 'unavailable'. But it's been that way since my early 20s. No matter how hard I try, I just always seem 'stuck' . Unable to live in the present moment.

[Shemp]

... It's a typical east coast run of the mill suburb...

Ok, at this point @yick's advice about proactiveness is warranted, because USA suburb culture is really horrible for meeting women, for so many reasons. Furthermore, I'm not sure if Rygar1 wants marriage and children. The great danger in USA is that he gets stuck with marriage and children to a woman he doesn't really want or love, but the woman grabbed him as her life raft,,then she later divorces him, leaving him broke for life. If he doesn't care about marriage and children, then the safe path is older women, plus use a condom just to be extra safe. Later on, go abroad.

My argument that handsome men can be passive and lazy comes into play with older women even if Rygar1 is not as handsome as he thinks he is, maybe not even as handsome as @88jose88 , who describes himself as a "spanish-portuguese passing hunk and goncalo teixeira Portuguese supermodel look-alike". Most younger men are handsome to older women,,just like most young women (who aren't fat or tattooed or otherwise ruined) are handsome to old men like me.

[yick]

Men need to be proactive in all areas of life to get the things they want. This goes double for women. There are always things that need to be improved/tweaked on. Most of us have moved around the world to get what we want, the world is a big place. Where do you live now? Are you happy there?

The whole point of my OP was that handsome men don't really need to be proactive. Yes, they need to maximize their handsomeness and develop social skills, but this is what women do. That is, handsome men can act like women and be mostly passive. It's ordinary men who have to take a purely masculine role.

Would you say you're talking about the top 5% of men who can do that? Your example of the Andy Warhol muse? (I went onto read up about him... interesting!) I remember once in Beijing airport when I was waiting at immigration and some flight from Paris landed and in comes their passengers and there was this - probably the most handsome man I have ever seen - 6ft 6ins, amazingly handsome and immaculately dressed who was there with his older boyfriend everyone was looking at him because that is how handsome he was - passiveness would work for him.

Probably the OP is above average and pretty good looking but his looks aren't going to be able to give him the luxury of being passive to that degree. Really handsome men can do that who are somewhat outliers. I agree you need to be able to develop a skill of being nonchalant regards if a woman likes you and the ability to move on but you need things in place. That muse had something other than his looks - he was an actor/model so he had some standing and gravitas.

[yick]

@yick
Yeah, there is a sort of laziness factor that plays a part in this. What did you mean by I'm not in the room? I'm not getting noticed? I'm not in the game?

Men need to be proactive in all areas of life to get the things they want. This goes double for women. There are always things that need to be improved/tweaked on. Most of us have moved around the world to get what we want, the world is a big place. Where do you live now? Are you happy there?

It's okay at best. It's a typical east coast run of the mill suburb. As winston says, they're soulless, bland, uninspiring places. But it's home, a decent neighborhood. The overwhelming majority of women taken and 'unavailable'. But it's been that way since my early 20s. No matter how hard I try, I just always seem 'stuck' . Unable to live in the present moment.

Why don't you save up some money and go somewhere, to Thailand - women aren't a valuable commodity that is in short supply. In fact, there are more single women than men worldwide, there are places where men are catches like Russia (of course, don't go there now...) I am sure though in US suburbia, the women you want are in short supply so you need to change your environment.

If Elliott Rodger had gone to Beijing at 18, there wouldn't be a load of dead kids now. I am not equating you to Elliott Rodger but where you are isn't going to change anytime soon and there isn't going to be an influx of women of your liking coming into the neighbourhood. You need to get out of there and explore or else it will just stay how it is. Which I don't think you want.

[Rygar1]

Men need to be proactive in all areas of life to get the things they want. This goes double for women. There are always things that need to be improved/tweaked on. Most of us have moved around the world to get what we want, the world is a big place. Where do you live now? Are you happy there?

The whole point of my OP was that handsome men don't really need to be proactive. Yes, they need to maximize their handsomeness and develop social skills, but this is what women do. That is, handsome men can act like women and be mostly passive. It's ordinary men who have to take a purely masculine role.

When you're young, yeah, but looks fade. And even when you're at your peak, it's still not guaranteed.
Here is a typical scenario from my own experience:

1. Rygar is around attractive young women. (School, work, bars, restaurants, neighborhood)
2. Said women often compliment him how cute and handsome he is.
3. Rygar thinks it's reasonable to ask said girls out.
4. Said girls usually decline with a list of 'reasons'(I'm busy, I have to do something, etc)
5. Rygar goes home and beats off.
6. On the rare occasion she says yes, he gets maybe a few weeks of 'dates' which may or may not include lousy sex.
7. Time goes on in life and Rygar concludes this just isn't for me.

[yick]

... It's a typical east coast run of the mill suburb...

Ok, at this point @yick's advice about proactiveness is warranted, because USA suburb culture is really horrible for meeting women, for so many reasons. Furthermore, I'm not sure if Rygar1 wants marriage and children. The great danger in USA is that he gets stuck with marriage and children to a woman he doesn't really want or love, but the woman grabbed him as her life raft,,then she later divorces him, leaving him broke for life. If he doesn't care about marriage and children, then the safe path is older women, plus use a condom just to be extra safe. Later on, go abroad.

My argument that handsome men can be passive and lazy comes into play with older women even if Rygar1 is not as handsome as he thinks he is, maybe not even as handsome as @88jose88 , who describes himself as a "spanish-portuguese passing hunk and goncalo teixeira Portuguese supermodel look-alike". Most younger men are handsome to older women,,just like most young women (who aren't fat or tattooed or otherwise ruined) are handsome to old men like me.

I am sure Rygar is far better looking than @88jose88 who should really go to Aruba or Suriname where there will be women who look like him who will see themselves in him and he will get some attention. I am sure white women everywhere have little interest in a 5ft 5ins mulatto.

[yick]

Men need to be proactive in all areas of life to get the things they want. This goes double for women. There are always things that need to be improved/tweaked on. Most of us have moved around the world to get what we want, the world is a big place. Where do you live now? Are you happy there?

The whole point of my OP was that handsome men don't really need to be proactive. Yes, they need to maximize their handsomeness and develop social skills, but this is what women do. That is, handsome men can act like women and be mostly passive. It's ordinary men who have to take a purely masculine role.

When you're young, yeah, but looks fade. And even when you're at your peak, it's still not guaranteed.
Here is a typical scenario from my own experience:

1. Rygar is around attractive young women. (School, work, bars, restaurants, neighborhood)
2. Said women often compliment him how cute and handsome he is.
3. Rygar thinks it's reasonable to ask said girls out.
4. Said girls usually decline with a list of 'reasons'(I'm busy, I have to do something, etc)
5. Rygar goes home and beats off.
6. On the rare occasion she says yes, he gets maybe a few weeks of 'dates' which may or may not include lousy sex.
7. Time goes on in life and Rygar concludes this just isn't for me.

Yeah, that was how it was for me in England, there are far more datable men than women - it's a sausage fest in working class England for quality women - there was a poll took about women who have a degree find it hard to meet a man with a degree and most women who hold a degree will only date a man with equal or superior qualifications whereas women without academic qualifications were in short supply and never got lonely. I know lots of single, young men back home and nothing is going to change for them in that regard.

Even the women with a degree who are somewhat nice looking and slim aren't lonely because there's the internet and they can find suitable men within a 100 mile radius to worldwide - this is how famous soccer players get women these days - they 'slide into DM's' of attractive women they like. The women probably like you on a superficial level but they have so much attention from so many men online and in their lives that you're not going to generate a second thought unless. Back in the 80's, you would have probably got one of them but the world has moved on - you need to do that too.

[Rygar1]

... It's a typical east coast run of the mill suburb...

Ok, at this point @yick's advice about proactiveness is warranted, because USA suburb culture is really horrible for meeting women, for so many reasons. Furthermore, I'm not sure if Rygar1 wants marriage and children. The great danger in USA is that he gets stuck with marriage and children to a woman he doesn't really want or love, but the woman grabbed him as her life raft,,then she later divorces him, leaving him broke for life. If he doesn't care about marriage and children, then the safe path is older women, plus use a condom just to be extra safe. Later on, go abroad.

My argument that handsome men can be passive and lazy comes into play with older women even if Rygar1 is not as handsome as he thinks he is, maybe not even as handsome as @88jose88 , who describes himself as a "spanish-portuguese passing hunk and goncalo teixeira Portuguese supermodel look-alike". Most younger men are handsome to older women,,just like most young women (who aren't fat or tattooed or otherwise ruined) are handsome to old men like me.

I am sure Rygar is far better looking than @88jose88 who should really go to Aruba or Suriname where there will be women who look like him who will see themselves in him and he will get some attention. I am sure white women everywhere have little interest in a 5ft 5ins mulatto.

Well, in my youth ( early mid 20s) I was told I looked a little like the actor James Dean. But I'm taller, and with a more modern haircut. I don't think I was quite as handsome as he was, but there was some resemblance. Also Jason Priestley from the original 90210.

[Rygar1]

And there is a massive difference between being 'handsome' and being 'attractive to women' and are in fact, two entirely different things. Elliott Rodger was handsome but very unattractive to women. Women have in built radar about what you're about and what you're not.

Damn, that's a very good point. Personality defects would probably account for this.

[yick]

And there is a massive difference between being 'handsome' and being 'attractive to women' and are in fact, two entirely different things. Elliott Rodger was handsome but very unattractive to women. Women have in built radar about what you're about and what you're not.

Damn, that's a very good point. Personality defects would probably account for this.

So, what's your plan?

Through the years, the site and its patrons have helped a fair few people achieve what they wanted to achieve which was get laid with someone they liked in sunnier climes.

If you stay where you are, nothing will improve, it will still be a sausage fest and the women you want will still be unavailable whilst you might have a choice of fatties and bitter, angry single mum's to choose from, which I don't think you want and I don't blame you - that was my world before I got the hell out of there.

I don't know if you are doing this but you need to do is stop thinking about fixing the situation you are in. The situation you are in is beyond your powers to fix. Most blokes are Homer Simpson, life kicks out their adventure and their curiosity as they sit in their hometown dating single mums because they daren't go for anything better. Like Homer stuffs donuts down his gob without thinking about it, these men are f***ing women they particularly like because there's nothing else but the reality is, there is.

[Rygar1]

And there is a massive difference between being 'handsome' and being 'attractive to women' and are in fact, two entirely different things. Elliott Rodger was handsome but very unattractive to women. Women have in built radar about what you're about and what you're not.

Damn, that's a very good point. Personality defects would probably account for this.

So, what's your plan?

Through the years, the site and its patrons have helped a fair few people achieve what they wanted to achieve which was get laid with someone they liked in sunnier climes.

If you stay where you are, nothing will improve, it will still be a sausage fest and the women you want will still be unavailable whilst you might have a choice of fatties and bitter, angry single mum's to choose from, which I don't think you want and I don't blame you - that was my world before I got the hell out of there.

I don't know if you are doing this but you need to do is stop thinking about fixing the situation you are in. The situation you are in is beyond your powers to fix. Most blokes are Homer Simpson, life kicks out their adventure and their curiosity as they sit in their hometown dating single mums because they daren't go for anything better. Like Homer stuffs donuts down his gob without thinking about it, these men are f***ing women they particularly like because there's nothing else but the reality is, there is.

How that Elliot Rodgers didn't get any play is beyond me. He was practically a pretty boy.

I'll reluctantly agree that there are many, too many factors beyond one's control to alter this situation. Even if a guy is overweight, but average facially, he might get some kitty. There were few women over the years who expressed overt interest. One was mid 50s, other mid 40s. They were about a 4 or 5 at most. Both of them were down to earth and eager, so that makes up for it. I probably should have fu cked both of them. It's just hard to get excited about relatively ugly women though.

How did it get to be this way though? WHY do many girls reject, reject, reject? Technology can certainly play a part, as women have SO many guys to choose from, as the world becomes smaller and smaller. Dating becomes global, and my odds decrease substantially as technology increases. But, I dunno, even 15 or 20 years ago, this was still a trend, though not as bad. It like :
1. She has a 'boyfriend'.
2. She makes up excuses
3.Some dates then no interest.

What did these other guys do, these 'boyfriend's do to get them?

As for my plan,....I'm just taking it easy. Focusing on myself, mental health, hobbies, etc.. Using the gym more, deep breathing, and spiritual practices. Cutting back on social media, anger, rage, etc. But it's not easy. I struggle alot.

[88jose88]

... It's a typical east coast run of the mill suburb...

Ok, at this point @yick's advice about proactiveness is warranted, because USA suburb culture is really horrible for meeting women, for so many reasons. Furthermore, I'm not sure if Rygar1 wants marriage and children. The great danger in USA is that he gets stuck with marriage and children to a woman he doesn't really want or love, but the woman grabbed him as her life raft,,then she later divorces him, leaving him broke for life. If he doesn't care about marriage and children, then the safe path is older women, plus use a condom just to be extra safe. Later on, go abroad.

My argument that handsome men can be passive and lazy comes into play with older women even if Rygar1 is not as handsome as he thinks he is, maybe not even as handsome as @88jose88 , who describes himself as a "spanish-portuguese passing hunk and goncalo teixeira Portuguese supermodel look-alike". Most younger men are handsome to older women,,just like most young women (who aren't fat or tattooed or otherwise ruined) are handsome to old men like me.

I am sure Rygar is far better looking than @88jose88 who should really go to Aruba or Suriname where there will be women who look like him who will see themselves in him and he will get some attention. I am sure white women everywhere have little interest in a 5ft 5ins mulatto.

1.Im mestizo passing and yesterday a woman stranger striker up conversation with me and asked my mix,she said I have a gorgeous complexion.I am African American,creole from New Orleans,choctaw and dutch NOT surinamese or Aruban(for your info they're not mulattos there they're mestizos).I have light olive skin and wavy jet black hair.white women do like that exotic look.
The native is strong in me and my sister,she looks fifty fifty zambo I look mestizo.

2.I prefer Mediterranean and mestizo women over northern European women

3.my height is bad but it's not a deal breaker since I look like a model

4.Youre a always bullying me which needs to stop,I'm incel because I live in a group home in the ghetto with zero money to do things