UK nanny state bans Self Defense Guru

MrPeabody · Post by **MrPeabody** » May 26th, 2012, 11:23 pm

gsjackson wrote:Please direct me to the statute or tenet of common law to which you are referring, and I will believe you. Otherwise, I don't.

This appears to be the legislative section.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2008/4/section/76

To get the actual law how it is actually practiced, you have to do a study of the case law. Tim Larkin talks about it in the videos I posted, and he claims that his advocacy of change of self-defense laws in England was why he was banned.

He was invited to speak in Birmingham and Tottenham, two areas that had riots.

A person keeps a fire extinguisher in his house in case of a fire. So, by your measure, if he never had a fire in his life, he was paranoid. If you don't want to defend yourself, it's not a problem with me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18002220

gsjackson · Post by **gsjackson** » May 27th, 2012, 5:37 am

Well then the case law, to even begin to support the statement you made, would have to cut in the precise opposite direction of what the statute says. The statute, if you didn't read it, makes very clear that self defense and prevention of a crime are legitimate actions. And just your own belief that you were acting reasonably in coming to the aid of another person creates a presumption that you were acting reasonably.

gsjackson · Post by **gsjackson** » May 27th, 2012, 5:46 am

Larkin can spin and trim now as much as he wants about the "rare, black swan occasions" when lethal force might be necessary, but the story I read when it was breaking news said that this guy is all about crippling and killing people. That's his calling card, and that's why he was banned.

I don't know how many times it's been said on this site (correctly in my view) that law enforcement types, including self defense gurus, are just the flip side of criminals. Same sorts of motivation, same kinds of perverse thrill seeking. I don't blame Britain for wanting to make sure the whole stinking culture stays over here. They probably have fewer murders in a year than the country you live in, Mexico, has on the average day. That's because they take pains to make it that way, including keeping the American wild west culture away.

MrPeabody · Post by **MrPeabody** » May 27th, 2012, 7:08 am

gsjackson wrote:Larkin can spin and trim now as much as he wants about the "rare, black swan occasions" when lethal force might be necessary, but the story I read when it was breaking news said that this guy is all about crippling and killing people. That's his calling card, and that's why he was banned.

west culture away.

I have reviewed his material and haven't found anything that even hints of vigilantism. The stories were propagated by a sensationalist press, which is popular in England. They even called him a navy seal, which he is not. They can't even get the basic facts straight so why do you believe them? His material is responsible self defense. He advocates different levels of force in different situations, and yes, in the rare situation that you hopefully will never face, it will be either you kill him or he kills you, and lethal force will be necessary. The fact that he was invited there by people concerned for their well being contradicts your claim of safety. Please provide the quotes from his material that backs up your claims that his program is irresponsible is some way.

gsjackson · Post by **gsjackson** » May 27th, 2012, 7:48 am

I don't know whether the press misconstrued his approach or not. If you've reviewed his material and say that they have, then that is a case where I will take your word for it. Your views are typically pretty measured, and generally you get a presumption of credibility from me. But not when you say something that is obviously wrong, such as it is illegal in Britain to defend victims of crime, or indulge in the usual careless use of the word socialism. The case against Britain as a nanny state will have to be made more carefully than that.

Whatever Larkin may be, he's certainly a typical American. He's already incorporated the ban into his advertising. Hey, any pub is good pub, right?

http://www.targetfocustraining.com/

MrPeabody · Post by **MrPeabody** » May 27th, 2012, 8:16 am

gsjackson wrote:Whatever Larkin may be, he's certainly a typical American. He's already incorporated the ban into his advertising. Hey, any pub is good pub, right?

I guess he knows Jiu Jitsu.