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shockingly you didnt even bother addressing the points that I made to you. you couldnt refute my last response to you so you tried to refute my responses to marcos insteadYohan wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 10:27 pmHere in Japan I think we are fairly good informed what is going on in China. It's not a nice neighbour, it is becoming more and more a military threat not only for Taiwan, but also for Japan and even for the Philippines and some other countries nearby.MarcosZeitola wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 6:48 amThe lies and deceptions are getting more blatant. For instance now China has stopped sharing any details of its youth unemployment percentage. It was at a record high until June and keeps rising monthly, now they're just pretending the issue doesn't exist:
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You'd have to be pretty gullible to not see China's royally f***ed. Just take a look at their real estate sector, the ghost cities, the millions of unfinished homes that people are still forced to pay sky-high mortgages over... the bubble is about to burst....
The real situation within China is well-known and it is not possible for the Chinese government to censor it....
For example there are various reports about Chinas ghost cities, estimated about 64 million housing units are empty...
In China there is a huge gap between ordinary people, often not allowed to move to another city within China - the salary of ordinary people in not so well-known large cities within China - and about the rich elite.
Of course China is too large to fail, but in future the living standard in China is expected to decline considerably, nobody can deny this.
Expect in near future many foreign companies to reduce their presence in China or even to pull out and relocate and this will send hundreds of thousands of Chinese workers jobless in the streets....
you still havent addressed any of my cogent points or reasonable stances. I correctly pointed out that you had misunderstood my stance but instead of recognizing this and apologizing you just try to double down anti-chinese people like you (and ive met many) typically lack integrity while being convinced that theyre highly moral.being close to some other nation doesnt mean youre automatically well informed about whats going on in that nation. if I lived in florida does that automatically mean im well informed about whats going on in washington DC? even the majority of people in the US itself dont have a clear idea of the actual economic situation in the same country that we live in, let alone that of another country. the US is physically next to mexico yet most americans are clueless about what its really like in mexico, let alone its true economic state. well, I guess your whole theory about geographic proximity to some country giving you special knowledge about whats really going on inside a country doesnt mean anything.Here in Japan I think we are fairly good informed what is going on in China. It's not a nice neighbour, it is becoming more and more a military threat not only for Taiwan, but also for Japan and even for the Philippines and some other countries nearby.
There is nothing complicated about it, and nothing 'to believe'.kukushka wrote: ↑August 21st, 2023, 2:10 pm.... youre not capable of having a rational dialogue with someone (like me) that understands reality in a nuanced way because youre so used to seeing things in black and white. thats why you couldnt even refute my last response to you, you knew that I was right about you having misunderstood a simple forum comment. if you cant understand something that simple, why should I believe youre capable of understanding much more complicated situations?
You got that right. People need to put the inconvenient truth under the rug.MarcosZeitola wrote: ↑August 22nd, 2023, 6:29 amPeople don't usually lie about things or hide things when they're doing well... it's only when shit hits the fan that governments start to hide uncomfortable statistics. As Mark Twain once wisely said: ""There are lies, damned lies, and statistics".
It is a fact and it cannot be denied that:Yohan wrote: ↑August 22nd, 2023, 5:15 amThere is nothing complicated about it, and nothing 'to believe'.kukushka wrote: ↑August 21st, 2023, 2:10 pm.... youre not capable of having a rational dialogue with someone (like me) that understands reality in a nuanced way because youre so used to seeing things in black and white. thats why you couldnt even refute my last response to you, you knew that I was right about you having misunderstood a simple forum comment. if you cant understand something that simple, why should I believe youre capable of understanding much more complicated situations?
It is a fact and it cannot be denied that
in China about 64 million apartments are unsold in so-called ghost towns.
the largest property developer in China was filing for bankruptcy protection in USA
another (private) large Chinese property developer was unable recently to pay USD 10.5 million.
youth unemployment is more than 20 % in China.
that because of stupid family politics in China there are now among young people more than 17 million men than females.
About China being a military threat: China is not only claiming Taiwan, but almost an entire ocean (South China Sea) - and disregards the claims, even within the EEZ (exclusive economic zone) from other military weaker countries (Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam).
China claims also a huge land, Arunachal Pradesh, from India calling it South Tibet - but never any Chinese was living there....etc.
how come you anti-china types never bother reading anything I say?MarcosZeitola wrote: ↑August 22nd, 2023, 6:29 amPeople don't usually lie about things or hide things when they're doing well... it's only when shit hits the fan that governments start to hide uncomfortable statistics. As Mark Twain once wisely said: ""There are lies, damned lies, and statistics".
your position and my position arent different, but youre trying to act like it is. I already covered what youre saying, and more:3.china also might be doing things to FUD itself in order to appear weaker than it really is. do you really think the birthplace of sun tzu wouldnt be able to appreciate this saying?-granted, I think this is the more unlikely possibility but its still a possibility nonetheless, especially after seeing the whole /pol/ china covid victims video clip psyop happen in real time. during the age of information warfare, why take anything at face value?Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak
both you and yohan are just like those antivaxxers who were screaming that everyone that got vaccinated is going to die. yeah china has some problems (which ive been acknowledging from the beginning and was always my position in spite of you all acting like it hasnt been), but lets see how things actually pan out. ive been reading alt-news for YEARS and I regularly see "CHINA GOING TO COLLAPSE SOON" stories. rationally speaking, at some point you just begin to tune these stories out, the same way I started tuning out the anti-vaxxers when they kept coming up with new doomsday projections that never panned out in the real world.do you not realize how long people have been claiming that china (or the US for that matter) are going to collapse any day now? I remember back in 2008 when alex jones said that the US was going to experience economic collapse and martial law was going to be instated. likewise I remember in 2021 when tons of people were saying that the vaxxes were going to depopulate the world in a few years yet here we are and this still isnt the case. in all three cases there were some *grains* of truth but the doomsayers were largely wrong in terms of the timing and severity of their predictions.
so do I think this could be the real end for china? yeah, thats possible. do I think its likely? no. just look at the record of people like serpentza and gordon chang etc, "two more weeks!". the real gullible one here is you.
