Endless Complaining and Monkey Spanking.

[leavingusa]

But the irony is that a thread complaining about the previous type of complaining is really just another type of complaining here! I suppose that the type of complaining which is considered fashionable here changes over time. lol
But I agree that endless complaining in any form is unproductive.

What you gain in p***y you will lose in lifestyle, if I could make the same living and live in similar conditions I'd say sure. Like someone else said you are dooming your children to grow up in a third world country and sacrificing your future in most cases. Some of you may regret these decisions when your sex drive starts to wane.

It's true that tradeoffs often have be made, but be sure that you're not making decisions just based on stereotypes which are just fantasies created by the American media. You seem to have the perspective of a typical American: "Only money matters!" And which countries are you rushing to label as "third-world"?? Anywhere which isn't the US, UK, France, Germany, or Canada? lol

Sometimes poor countries present some advantages for children, especially if they have a good education system (which might very well be superior to the American one), but *gasp* your child may have to study in *gasp* the foreign language which is spoken in that country (most Americans are extremely uncomfortable at the idea of their children speaking a foreign language like a native because this would threaten their holy "all-American" identity. lol )

A lot of guys on this forum really just want someplace which is identical to America, but where the women are easier. Those guys should stay in America, in my opinion. Typical Americans who have absolutely no desire to adapt to a foreign culture and absolutely no desire to learn a foreign language will probably not be happy in a foreign country over the long term.

True, very true. Money is the only thing that truly matters. Without it and the things it buys you are finished, that is a hard reality everywhere on this planet. When your money runs out so does your woman, that is all women, we all pay for sex.

I do consider my identity holy and won't give it up for p***y, don't want to give up my right to own guns or speak my mind either.

Because like I said before, one day your sex drive will wane and you realize you are stuck in a foreign country where no one is like you, they blame you for their problems and you wish you could find a gun to put yourself out of your misery.

Americans are the new Nazis, we get away with certain things because we are winners but it's just a matter of time. Right now we have the worlds reserve currency but Asia has made the switch as well as Iran, the American empire is crumbling and it will take your ESL job and western appeal with it.

And when it does I want to be in the mountains with my people. It won't be hard to find a woman for a man who has resources and ability. Then things go back like before.

[OutWest]

When you give it an honest look, it doesn't work. The time to do this would probably have been 10-20 years ago. What are some of you going to do when the dollar collapses?

What you gain in p***y you will lose in lifestyle, if I could make the same living and live in similar conditions I'd say sure. Like someone else said you are dooming your children to grow up in a third world country and sacrificing your future in most cases. Some of you may regret these decisions when your sex drive starts to wane.

The way I see it America is full of assholes but at least we share a common culture. I bought a really nice custom house in a smaller town and my income is much higher than the local residents, that should give me some leverage in the local v****a market but if it doesn't I don't care.

I guess my motivations are the opposite of most here. Tired of being a stranger in my own country, walking into a mall and being surrounded by blacks and mexicans who only stick up for each other and are hostile to the things I believe in.

Also figure it might be easier getting a girl when half of them aren't crack hos or illegal immigrants that don't speak English. There's different ways to look at a problem.

I've come to agree with you! The time to go abroad - especially to Eastern Europe was the early 1990s as girls were very interested in foreign men then and the visa laws were easy - e.g. just try to get a visa to Russia for a solid year now - its impossible. You could live there illegally, but when you do go home (e.g. mom's funeral) they won't let you back in to Russia. I've decided it really is impossible to move to the country of your choice now because you will have NO HOPE of making a living, getting citizenship or making it financially (maybe you will do one, but not all). We might have to settle to live by ourselves all our lives somewhere inour home country, as that's what will happen to most guys now anyway.

Quite right- it does not work except when it does. There are numerous options, from third world on up. Tens of thousands of men are making it work. I am losing lifestyle? What are you talking about? LOL. While it is true I am happily married to a great girl, overall I live a superior lifestyle, not inferior. It would be very costly to live life like I do here, with the perks I enjoy for very little money.

You guys need to get out more...LOL On very modest monthly budget, we have a full time live in housekeeper and cook, a gardener, and a driver. Once or twice per week I have a massage therapist make a house call and work on some old injury areas.
I have fresh excellent food, much of it grown on our own property here. I am far from living like a tycoon or playboy, but for the money, we live very well. We have no house payment or rent, but beyond that, it is rare that we spend more than about $2100 in one month, business expenses not included. Try living like this in the states dudes, on less than a US School teacher's salary.

We are pretty well involved in some charity activities here, especially when things like typhoon Sendong come along, one year ago.
We also donate to a self-help project that enables handicapped persons so have some hope in their life for the first time in most cases.

Yes, there is some third world crap to deal with here, but I am far more free than in the USA and I have a life I really enjoy day to day.
Any life anywhere is pretty empty if all you are looking for is more poontang...I have a young athletic wife... no problems...keeps me young, but that is just part of a full life, not an end in itself.


Outwest

[OutWest]

Outwest
Misamis Oriental, Mindanao

Just curious, how do you support yourself in Mindanao and would you want to raise a family there?

Probably the most sensible response to this post. I support myself with several efforts.

1-We have some local income and that could be expanded if needed. We have some Mango orchards that
I am working on improving- converting to smaller semi-dwarf culture, which is far easier to manage. Many Filipino families
could actually live fairly well on that income alone.

2- I am a fairly skilled trader online. I have portfolio approach to trading and typically run half a dozen trading approaches at the same time. Over time, (At least 5 years) this has yielded me consistent returns that are still excellent, while buffering the risk.

3- I still buy and sell some bargain pieces of property in the US- in the US southwest.

4- I buy and hold metals for the long term. Most of this is copper and silver.

5- I am working this year to buy some prime farming land in Chile. Food production trumps currency in a crisis.


Yes I can have a family here. I have my two kids- Fil -am kids from my ex coming here in a few months to live. On a second note, my wife is getting those baby longings...so that is also likely.

Life here is certainly not for everyone, or those lacking good third world street smarts, but that said, it certainly can be done. There are thousands of expats in the Philippines with families, and some of them are among our circle of friends here.


outwest

[abcdavid01]

Try living like this in the states dudes, on less than a US School teacher's salary.

Why does everyone say this? When I was in high school a few years ago, one of the students hacked the computers and found a listing of all our teacher's salaries. They were all paid between 40k and 90k. This is for a job with summers off and, let's face it, is pretty damn easy if you stay out of controversy. American teachers suck anyway; they hardly teach anything substantial. If anything I think they're overpaid, but the unions still won't shut up.

prime farming land in Chile

Not the first time recently I've heard this specific advice.

[abcdavid01]

Well I did open a topic similar to this one when I first joined this site. There's a contradiction going on here: Winston is spot on with many issues in NA but he's not "happier abroad".

The reality is that if you don't have these 3 things you'll not make it abroad, period:

-you must know the language as if you were a local, going to Russia without speaking any Russian is a huge handicap
-you must have strong financial backing, either by saving enough money to live for at least 12 months unemployed (with expenses remaining similar to those in the US) or by having family members actively supporting you
-you need to have a willingness to change your life completely: no regrets about leaving the US, you have to mingle with the locals, become one of them, think like them, act like them, that's the only way to be happy abroad

If you can speak at least 3 languages fluently, if you can make good money online, if you can work from anywhere in the world, then you're set for moving abroad.

I already have family in EE so if I really get sick of NA I'll most likely go back but I know how it's like to work and live out there and it's not something I recommend. I realized that in life you can't have everything.

Good advice. I am deadly serious about this because I dropped out of college for it. Unlike most college students looking for a career, my goal is to find a wife who isn't affected by Feminism. Then I want to raise my kids in a good culture because the problem with NA is more than Feminism; people in general here are very sterile. We teach kids early as kindergarten never to talk to strangers, but I don't want my kids brainwashed like that. So that's a very serious goal for me and I am building an online business so I can scout out the best place to build a life and start a family.

[leavingusa]

When you give it an honest look, it doesn't work. The time to do this would probably have been 10-20 years ago. What are some of you going to do when the dollar collapses?

What you gain in p***y you will lose in lifestyle, if I could make the same living and live in similar conditions I'd say sure. Like someone else said you are dooming your children to grow up in a third world country and sacrificing your future in most cases. Some of you may regret these decisions when your sex drive starts to wane.

The way I see it America is full of assholes but at least we share a common culture. I bought a really nice custom house in a smaller town and my income is much higher than the local residents, that should give me some leverage in the local v****a market but if it doesn't I don't care.

I guess my motivations are the opposite of most here. Tired of being a stranger in my own country, walking into a mall and being surrounded by blacks and mexicans who only stick up for each other and are hostile to the things I believe in.

Also figure it might be easier getting a girl when half of them aren't crack hos or illegal immigrants that don't speak English. There's different ways to look at a problem.

I've come to agree with you! The time to go abroad - especially to Eastern Europe was the early 1990s as girls were very interested in foreign men then and the visa laws were easy - e.g. just try to get a visa to Russia for a solid year now - its impossible. You could live there illegally, but when you do go home (e.g. mom's funeral) they won't let you back in to Russia. I've decided it really is impossible to move to the country of your choice now because you will have NO HOPE of making a living, getting citizenship or making it financially (maybe you will do one, but not all). We might have to settle to live by ourselves all our lives somewhere inour home country, as that's what will happen to most guys now anyway.

Quite right- it does not work except when it does. There are numerous options, from third world on up. Tens of thousands of men are making it work. I am losing lifestyle? What are you talking about? LOL. While it is true I am happily married to a great girl, overall I live a superior lifestyle, not inferior. It would be very costly to live life like I do here, with the perks I enjoy for very little money.

You guys need to get out more...LOL On very modest monthly budget, we have a full time live in housekeeper and cook, a gardener, and a driver. Once or twice per week I have a massage therapist make a house call and work on some old injury areas.
I have fresh excellent food, much of it grown on our own property here. I am far from living like a tycoon or playboy, but for the money, we live very well. We have no house payment or rent, but beyond that, it is rare that we spend more than about $2100 in one month, business expenses not included. Try living like this in the states dudes, on less than a US School teacher's salary.

We are pretty well involved in some charity activities here, especially when things like typhoon Sendong come along, one year ago.
We also donate to a self-help project that enables handicapped persons so have some hope in their life for the first time in most cases.

Yes, there is some third world crap to deal with here, but I am far more free than in the USA and I have a life I really enjoy day to day.
Any life anywhere is pretty empty if all you are looking for is more poontang...I have a young athletic wife... no problems...keeps me young, but that is just part of a full life, not an end in itself.


Outwest

None of that sounds good to me but different strokes I guess. By lifestyle I mean I can get the things I'm accustomed to in a timely and cheap manner, stores I like, etc. No desire to own people or do charity work.

Also, most people will fail at those things you mentioned so it's not really a way to go, they'll try to trade their stocks lose their ass.

That's like saying just become a concert violinist. Sure people are doing it, if you have the talent and background and you enjoy traveling all the time and your nerves don't bother you. Sure, why not.

[davewe]

Try living like this in the states dudes, on less than a US School teacher's salary.

Why does everyone say this? When I was in high school a few years ago, one of the students hacked the computers and found a listing of all our teacher's salaries. They were all paid between 40k and 90k.

Wasn't that the point? He lives well on $2100/month. A teacher making 50k = 4800/month, which might mean $3500-3800 after taxes. So that is what he said - on less than what a teacher earns he can live very well.

[abcdavid01]

Less than a U.S. School teacher's salary. This is implying that U.S. School teachers have a small salary already and living on less is even more impressive because it is cheaper than cheap. I hear people all the time saying teachers aren't paid enough, but I don't believe it.

[golgi]

A person who moves for women will be miserable. That's because they will likely overlook all of the other factors that make a place good or bad in which to live, don't realize that a life built around a woman is boring, and will soon realize that most foreign women who date foreigners are whores and have the accompanying personalities. That Korean or Japanese broad that was so interested in you? Likely a military base groupie whore, past or present. That Thai fox who likes you? It's a transaction. The fact is that women, the world over, roundly prefer their own men. It's just so much easier for them. Women who seek out foreigners are either societal rejects, especially in Asia, or have financial designs in mind. I grant that there are exceptions, but truly take a look at what you have to offer before being convinced as to how irresistible you are to foreign women. Now, a transactional relationship can work and is certainly more honest in many ways. There is nothing wrong with it, in my opinion, and I actually think at a base psychological level ALL relationships are transactional. Just don't be under the illusion that once the incentive disappears, that you won't be again on your own. Ironically, one of the secrets to getting women is not making them the center of your focus and life. Not doing so will at the same time attract more women, higher quality women, and lead to your increased happiness either home or abroad.

I agree that the USA is culturally f***ed, but it's not necessarily easier or less stressful to live in most foreign cultures - especially when you are used to the convenience of the USA. If you haven't lived abroad before, be ready to be shocked at how homesick you might get after a few months. Strange food, abusive people, and lack of real conversational partners can do that to you.

[OutWest]

When you give it an honest look, it doesn't work. The time to do this would probably have been 10-20 years ago. What are some of you going to do when the dollar collapses?

What you gain in p***y you will lose in lifestyle, if I could make the same living and live in similar conditions I'd say sure. Like someone else said you are dooming your children to grow up in a third world country and sacrificing your future in most cases. Some of you may regret these decisions when your sex drive starts to wane.

The way I see it America is full of assholes but at least we share a common culture. I bought a really nice custom house in a smaller town and my income is much higher than the local residents, that should give me some leverage in the local v****a market but if it doesn't I don't care.

I guess my motivations are the opposite of most here. Tired of being a stranger in my own country, walking into a mall and being surrounded by blacks and mexicans who only stick up for each other and are hostile to the things I believe in.

Also figure it might be easier getting a girl when half of them aren't crack hos or illegal immigrants that don't speak English. There's different ways to look at a problem.

I've come to agree with you! The time to go abroad - especially to Eastern Europe was the early 1990s as girls were very interested in foreign men then and the visa laws were easy - e.g. just try to get a visa to Russia for a solid year now - its impossible. You could live there illegally, but when you do go home (e.g. mom's funeral) they won't let you back in to Russia. I've decided it really is impossible to move to the country of your choice now because you will have NO HOPE of making a living, getting citizenship or making it financially (maybe you will do one, but not all). We might have to settle to live by ourselves all our lives somewhere inour home country, as that's what will happen to most guys now anyway.

Quite right- it does not work except when it does. There are numerous options, from third world on up. Tens of thousands of men are making it work. I am losing lifestyle? What are you talking about? LOL. While it is true I am happily married to a great girl, overall I live a superior lifestyle, not inferior. It would be very costly to live life like I do here, with the perks I enjoy for very little money.

You guys need to get out more...LOL On very modest monthly budget, we have a full time live in housekeeper and cook, a gardener, and a driver. Once or twice per week I have a massage therapist make a house call and work on some old injury areas.
I have fresh excellent food, much of it grown on our own property here. I am far from living like a tycoon or playboy, but for the money, we live very well. We have no house payment or rent, but beyond that, it is rare that we spend more than about $2100 in one month, business expenses not included. Try living like this in the states dudes, on less than a US School teacher's salary.

We are pretty well involved in some charity activities here, especially when things like typhoon Sendong come along, one year ago.
We also donate to a self-help project that enables handicapped persons so have some hope in their life for the first time in most cases.

Yes, there is some third world crap to deal with here, but I am far more free than in the USA and I have a life I really enjoy day to day.
Any life anywhere is pretty empty if all you are looking for is more poontang...I have a young athletic wife... no problems...keeps me young, but that is just part of a full life, not an end in itself.


Outwest

None of that sounds good to me but different strokes I guess. By lifestyle I mean I can get the things I'm accustomed to in a timely and cheap manner, stores I like, etc. No desire to own people or do charity work.

Also, most people will fail at those things you mentioned so it's not really a way to go, they'll try to trade their stocks lose their a**.

That's like saying just become a concert violinist. Sure people are doing it, if you have the talent and background and you enjoy traveling all the time and your nerves don't bother you. Sure, why not.

It sounds like you are happier in the USA, nothing wrong with that. I am not advocating anything. Someone asked me what I did, so I answered the question. Where am I advising ANYONE to to trade stocks or anything. Typically, I would advise against it for most people.

I do not "own" anyone, and for some, charity work is rewarding...again, I am not telling anyone what to do or think, just relating my own experience. Yes, there are not the ultimate consumer type big box stores at my every turn, I live with that, even though as Davewe will agree, my closest city, Cagayan De Oro, is hardly some backwards patch of huts...LOL. No, my nerves do not bother me...when I am back in the USA, I am far more on edge.

So does this mean I am unlikely to run into you shopping in Cagayan de Oro? There is nothing wrong with finding your niche in the USA...I could do that myself if I had to.

What I do advocate, is for those who wish and speak of wanting they go abroad, is that they do it with the highest possible chance of success....lots of careful preparation.


Outwest

[golgi]

Less than a U.S. School teacher's salary. This is implying that U.S. School teachers have a small salary already and living on less is even more impressive because it is cheaper than cheap. I hear people all the time saying teachers aren't paid enough, but I don't believe it.

How much do you think that they make, and what is your reference for comparison?

Btw, teachers salaries are extremely location dependent, even within the same part of the same state. Teacher pay is really district specific. I'm pretty well versed on average teacher salaries, as I have been recently doing some research on it (and therefore know where to get location specific salary information), and so if you have any questions about it just ask. Btw, I'm not a teacher but would be on a teacher contract (which my profession is overqualified for pay wise, btw, we take a huge market-rate hit to work in the schools. Remember, that there are a myriad of well educated professionals, other than teachers, who are paid according to the 'teacher' contract).

[OutWest]

Less than a U.S. School teacher's salary. This is implying that U.S. School teachers have a small salary already and living on less is even more impressive because it is cheaper than cheap. I hear people all the time saying teachers aren't paid enough, but I don't believe it.

My point was some simple point of reference. I actually put a number to it. How typical of this forum that the simple point was ignored and it turned into some hair-splitting about what teachers make. The point is that I live on less than what would be middle class income in the USA. Not happy with that? I will have a mango shake while you brood about it...


Outwest

[OutWest]

A person who moves for women will be miserable. That's because they will likely overlook all of the other factors that make a place good or bad in which to live, don't realize that a life built around a woman is boring, and will soon realize that most foreign women who date foreigners are whores and have the accompanying personalities. That Korean or Japanese broad that was so interested in you? Likely a military base groupie whore, past or present. That Thai fox who likes you? It's a transaction. The fact is that women, the world over, roundly prefer their own men. It's just so much easier for them. Women who seek out foreigners are either societal rejects, especially in Asia, or have financial designs in mind. I grant that there are exceptions, but truly take a look at what you have to offer before being convinced as to how irresistible you are to foreign women. Now, a transactional relationship can work and is certainly more honest in many ways. There is nothing wrong with it, in my opinion, and I actually think at a base psychological level ALL relationships are transactional. Just don't be under the illusion that once the incentive disappears, that you won't be again on your own. Ironically, one of the secrets to getting women is not making them the center of your focus and life. Not doing so will at the same time attract more women, higher quality women, and lead to your increased happiness either home or abroad.

I agree that the USA is culturally f***ed, but it's not necessarily easier or less stressful to live in most foreign cultures - especially when you are used to the convenience of the USA. If you haven't lived abroad before, be ready to be shocked at how homesick you might get after a few months. Strange food, abusive people, and lack of real conversational partners can do that to you.

"If you haven't lived abroad before, be ready to be shocked at how homesick you might get after a few months. Strange food, abusive people, and lack of real conversational partners can do that to you"

A very good observation. Many aspiring expats return home at that point. As far as all women who marry foreigners being whores...hmmmm depends on the company you have been keeping I guess. Certainly they were over represented for members of the military...and it must be somehow my fluke experience that I know a good number of men with good wives who live abroad.
Of course, since so many American men who go abroad are whore-minded, I guess birds of a feather...


Outwest

[ladislav]

Golgi, you know, you are right. Women who expressly seek out foreigners are unusual kind.

But to the regular rejects, money hungry women, and wh'ores I do have to add a few more categories, though- the extra smart ones who are rejects because of that in thier soceities- say, a smart Japanese women over 30 is no longer wanted by the local dull men. It does not mean she is bad. The Japanese society is bad, not her. More power to her for wanting to move to the USA. And if she finds an American who is also rejected for wrong, unfair reasons- he is too smart and not cool, again, they are the ones who are good and the society is wrong. I wish the couple luck.

There are also women in areas where all the men have gone off to work and there is a glut of women. Cowboys back in the Old West used to find wives by putting ads, so why can't women do the same?

Women who are practical to want a foreigner because local guys are too poor, low quality and abusive. Yes, they want a local guy, it is just that most guys around her are drunk womanizers and the good ones are all taken. Seen this happen in so many places. Her friends got nice guys from Europe and now have normal families so she wants the same thing.

Sometimes there are as many reasons as there are people. But I do agree that the number of real rejects and money hungry broads is high among them.

[Banano]

'A person who moves for women will be miserable. That's because they will likely overlook all of the other factors that make a place good or bad in which to live, don't realize that a life built around a woman is boring, and will soon realize that most foreign women who date foreigners are whores and have the accompanying personalities. That Korean or Japanese broad that was so interested in you? Likely a military base groupie whore, past or present. That Thai fox who likes you? It's a transaction. The fact is that women, the world over, roundly prefer their own men'


Women that are into western men are from poor backgrounds and wanna escape misery or just Whores or both.
Think about it for a minute, if women is from a good middle class and above family she will want a man from her country with similar social status or better, even if she is 20 yo Filipina she wont be into 40 or 50 yo reject farang;
Women from middle or upper class are more conservative and dont smile and give numbers to everyone coz they know their value, poor girls on the other hand have nothing left to lose and go for foreigners, they dont care if they get labeled as sluts by society.