American men: just as bad as American women?

[Yohan]

Whatever the differences between the US and W. Europe, your women are still bad, not much different from American women. That's really the bottom line.
And your fellow men, of course, are failures (just like N. American men) to have allowed your women to become the way they are.

Absolutely corrrect, I agree with you 100 percent.

[Quiet_observer]

Todays men are just as bad. This is only because they are products of single-parenthood and the rules of parenting have changed altogether. They are products of a gynocentric America. This is not good. Women want bad-boys. Because they want to CHANGE people. They want to turn that bad boy into a six-figure businessman and know that they "made a man". Yet they fail at raising their own kids from previous relationships. (facepalm) Women like this are wicked. Nice guys should get out more. Nice guys understand things like "Civilized discourse", "Democracy" and "Equality". American women dont want these things. Because they were raised poorly. They seem to want them well after many failed relationships and a kid or two down the line. They were raised to HATE men who favor them and LOVE government systems that favor them legally. See? With that established, I honestly look at American women as government agents. The Nice Men who cant find a partner need to simply go abroad. Don't hate the American woman but walk away from her. The problem is that America is Gynocentric, so women really dont understand "Equality" there yet. Its not their fault. But you as a good man cant afford to waste the time coping with a trolling government agent that could easily imprison you. Don't hate. Look at the problem, understand the problem and calmly walk away from it knowing what it really is...

[jamesbond]

Women want bad-boys. Because they want to CHANGE people. They want to turn that bad boy into a six-figure businessman and know that they "made a man". Yet they fail at raising their own kids from previous relationships. (facepalm) Women like this are wicked.

Nice guys should get out more. Nice guys understand things like "Civilized discourse", "Democracy" and "Equality". American women dont want these things. Because they were raised poorly. They seem to want them well after many failed relationships and a kid or two down the line. They were raised to HATE men who favor them and LOVE government systems that favor them legally. See?

The Nice Men who cant find a partner need to simply go abroad. Don't hate the American woman but walk away from her. The problem is that America is Gynocentric, so women really dont understand "Equality" there yet. Its not their fault. But you as a good man cant afford to waste the time coping with a trolling government agent that could easily imprison you. Don't hate. Look at the problem, understand the problem and calmly walk away from it knowing what it really is...

Well stated, men in America need to have nothing to do with American women and if they do want to find a wife, find her overseas and either live in her country or bring her back to the US but realize she may change once she becomes 'Americanized.'

[IraqVet2003]

Women want bad-boys. Because they want to CHANGE people. They want to turn that bad boy into a six-figure businessman and know that they "made a man". Yet they fail at raising their own kids from previous relationships. (facepalm) Women like this are wicked.

Nice guys should get out more. Nice guys understand things like "Civilized discourse", "Democracy" and "Equality". American women dont want these things. Because they were raised poorly. They seem to want them well after many failed relationships and a kid or two down the line. They were raised to HATE men who favor them and LOVE government systems that favor them legally. See?

The Nice Men who cant find a partner need to simply go abroad. Don't hate the American woman but walk away from her. The problem is that America is Gynocentric, so women really dont understand "Equality" there yet. Its not their fault. But you as a good man cant afford to waste the time coping with a trolling government agent that could easily imprison you. Don't hate. Look at the problem, understand the problem and calmly walk away from it knowing what it really is...

Well stated, men in America need to have nothing to do with American women and if they do want to find a wife, find her overseas and either live in her country or bring her back to the US but realize she may change once she becomes 'Americanized.'

Great points!!!!

[Quiet_observer]

Well stated, men in America need to have nothing to do with American women and if they do want to find a wife, find her overseas and either live in her country or bring her back to the US but realize she may change once she becomes 'Americanized.'

Exactly, Jamesbond! Bringing women back to the states should never be "An Option". Frank Herbert, the author of the Dune book series said it best when he said :
"I dont believe the old saw of power and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Its simpler than that... Power ATTRACTS the CORRUPTABLE".

Hes right! Any woman desperate to go to America knows good and well what she gets out of the deal. She know the statistics are in her favor. Shes knows the system has her back fully. They feign innocence, but I can see clearly through them. Ive had many friends bring their wives back to the states and all of them are divorced now.

In fact, whenever I come across women who really want to visit America and show all of this enthusiasm towards it, I 'side-step' them immediately....

[Quiet_observer]

They were raised to HATE men who favor them and LOVE government systems that favor them legally. See? With that established, I honestly look at American women as government agents. But you as a good man cant afford to waste the time coping with a trolling government agent that could easily imprison you. Don't hate. Look at the problem, understand the problem and calmly walk away from it knowing what it really is...

You guys, this is really the most important thing I said in my rant. When you take this in, everything changes. This alone would make any man bust his arse to get out and travel. I cant stress it enough. Living in America as a male is a "Mean-Time-To-Accusation" experience. Even more true for men of color. The chances of an AW getting pissed off at you and involving any kind of authority or government are about 60/40. And they dont have to be dating you or even know you. You ( a male )could simply be walking through a neighborhood, on the side walk, and any woman ( a local ) can call the cops and label you a 'suspicious person' and they will respond... Because a woman made the call. You'll probably get profiled too. If a man made this call, the cops would say something along the lines of "Call us when he does something or walks onto your property" This happens more often than you might want to believe. Not good statistics, men. It sucks to think you are living in a society among women who can become very vindictive at the drop of a hat and are given the go-ahead to start their process of Black-balling without discussion.

Guys, that sucks.

[cdnFA]

I was talking to this guy about a girl we both know. Her looks came up and I pointed out that she was fat and gross. I am a fat dude, but her gut was as large as mine and a girl shouldn't have that much fat there. Other dude was agreeing with me and slaming her hard.

The guy was easily 500 pounds. When he sat down his gut almost reached his knees. He is easily the fattest guy I've seen in town.

I think there is a lot of this thinking both here and elsewhere.


As for the OP. It would seem that he was an outlier in his own culture. Not better or worse but just out of the mainstream. That would make his odds much better in a culture that hits him well.
Myself, I look for the exact opposite in a woman. I don't want kids, and would rather someone who can either support herself or at least help out instead of mooching off me.
It would seem that according to some here, even a desire to have a job makes a girl a horrible person. I think that is a bit messed up. She is just different.

[Adama]

If women like bad boys, it is because they are the few men left who act like they are in charge of the relationship. They are not pandering to women. They do not worship women. They do not feel oneitis. They do not put women on pedestals. That's why they're jerks and bad boys. They are acting more like what a man should be in terms of masculinity, but they go overboard. There is a healthy balance. Unfortunately most men haven't got a clue that the man should be in charge. Therefore submissive (good) women avoid them. A submissive woman is looking for a dominant man. She is not looking for a submissive man. That's repulsive to them. Yes, the man is supposed to be in charge. The only women who don't know this are disobedient. If you don't believe the man should be in charge, you'll have a hard time attracting women, because you will not know how to treat them in such a way that turns them on. You'll just be her platonic friend who happens to be a man, rather than her boyfriend.

[Adama]

I was talking to this guy about a girl we both know. Her looks came up and I pointed out that she was fat and gross. I am a fat dude, but her gut was as large as mine and a girl shouldn't have that much fat there. Other dude was agreeing with me and slaming her hard.

The guy was easily 500 pounds. When he sat down his gut almost reached his knees. He is easily the fattest guy I've seen in town.

A man shouldn't go around saying terrible things about another person's appearance. Also, it is hypocritical of a person to say that another person in their same category is bad but somehow they are not.

[Quiet_observer]

If women like bad boys, it is because they are the few men left who act like they are in charge of the relationship. They are not pandering to women. They do not worship women. They do not feel oneitis. They do not put women on pedestals. That's why they're jerks and bad boys. They are acting more like what a man should be in terms of masculinity, but they go overboard. There is a healthy balance. Unfortunately most men haven't got a clue that the man should be in charge. Therefore submissive (good) women avoid them. A submissive woman is looking for a dominant man. She is not looking for a submissive man. That's repulsive to them. Yes, the man is supposed to be in charge. The only women who don't know this are disobedient. If you don't believe the man should be in charge, you'll have a hard time attracting women, because you will not know how to treat them in such a way that turns them on. You'll just be her platonic friend who happens to be a man, rather than her boyfriend.

So men have to seriously be a-holes for a girl to like them? Well, those women are in for one hell of a treat when hyper-masculine Islam makes it way to America. Considering most of those women have a completely retarded Idea of "Kink" and seem to get off on excessive abuse in the bed, I am convinced they will be ready and pleased with their new masters who will give them that and more- and also strip them of any freedoms they had under the "Horrible, bad ol patriarchy" system that treated them like poop.

The thing is, AW, some short time ago, could see the difference between the A-hole and a solid life partner. Well before sex even happened the first time. And they were spot-on. Today, women dont have a clue. And thats fine. Again, I dont hate them for it, I see it for what it is.... A Mental Illness. or, a gross curse among AW. And now, they are trying to create a genderless society? psst. Good luck with that, im out..

[Adama]

If women like bad boys, it is because they are the few men left who act like they are in charge of the relationship. They are not pandering to women. They do not worship women. They do not feel oneitis. They do not put women on pedestals. That's why they're jerks and bad boys. They are acting more like what a man should be in terms of masculinity, but they go overboard. There is a healthy balance. Unfortunately most men haven't got a clue that the man should be in charge. Therefore submissive (good) women avoid them. A submissive woman is looking for a dominant man. She is not looking for a submissive man. That's repulsive to them. Yes, the man is supposed to be in charge. The only women who don't know this are disobedient. If you don't believe the man should be in charge, you'll have a hard time attracting women, because you will not know how to treat them in such a way that turns them on. You'll just be her platonic friend who happens to be a man, rather than her boyfriend.

So men have to seriously be a-holes for a girl to like them? Well, those women are in for one hell of a treat when hyper-masculine Islam makes it way to America. Considering most of those women have a completely retarded Idea of "Kink" and seem to get off on excessive abuse in the bed, I am convinced they will be ready and pleased with their new masters who will give them that and more- and also strip them of any freedoms they had under the "Horrible, bad ol patriarchy" system that treated them like poop.

The thing is, AW, some short time ago, could see the difference between the A-hole and a solid life partner. Well before sex even happened the first time. And they were spot-on. Today, women dont have a clue. And thats fine. Again, I dont hate them for it, I see it for what it is.... A Mental Illness. or, a gross curse among AW. And now, they are trying to create a genderless society? psst. Good luck with that, im out..

They are acting more like what a man should be in terms of masculinity, but they go overboard.

It isn't just that American women have changed. Do you really believe that when one half of an equation changes that the other half does not also change? Women became more masculine and men became more feminine. The men of today are pansies compared for our great grandfathers. Women are not looking for bad boys. They are looking for real men to lead them, as is the way it is supposed to be. A feminine woman seeks a masculine man, not a feminine man. Your average mangina who defers to women is a feminine man, an effeminate man. Although we only think of homosexuals as being effeminate, most men are to some degree because culture has taught them to deny their masculinity. Go to a place like Poland and you'll see some masculine men. The jerks are just the last remnant of men who have a form of masculinity, but it is an improper form, although still masculinity.

[Eric]

I actually agree with this, but can't understand other reasons for the issues here. Like why it's easier and so much more natural (I don't have to constantly focus on masculinity) to pick up girls in other countries, it just happens. Why?

And the girls are much more feminine, and easier to talk to. Conversations, with men or women happen far easier and flow naturally, why?
It's just observations. I think it has to do with the media, and everyone acting like they think they should be - trying too hard, the bureaucratic nature of our society has leaked down into all realms *it's how we relate everything, and people being afraid to not be perfect. I also think it's focus on individuality - it makes people up tight and tense ., when you combine all these, it's just not easy.
Of course feminism and the role - reversal conditioning has screwed up everything, men & women.
When I came here - I noticed everything was f*cked up. Nobody seemed at ease or natural, and that it seemed like we are the experiment of something, always being socially managed, with trends, fads, "progressive" stuff and that everyone doing it "felt cool, trendy and on board" but they seemed to be misleading & selling themselves, idiotically down the river. I could not understand the contradictory and mind numbing trends. - but it was this intrinsic feeling that "everything had to be managed" that really bothered me, here.
Even parents are like that - they teach their kids to micromanage and plan every hour. And, what's worse all the trends and things I was told were 'cool' actually felt bad, and I felt brought me further and further from my goals - working against myself, but yet told they were *good for me, and helpful.
I thought I must be mad or crazy or something - until I got online and realized other people felt this way too. And that there actually WAS a conspiracy.

[Quiet_observer]

If women like bad boys, it is because they are the few men left who act like they are in charge of the relationship. They are not pandering to women. They do not worship women. They do not feel oneitis. They do not put women on pedestals. That's why they're jerks and bad boys. They are acting more like what a man should be in terms of masculinity, but they go overboard. There is a healthy balance. Unfortunately most men haven't got a clue that the man should be in charge. Therefore submissive (good) women avoid them. A submissive woman is looking for a dominant man. She is not looking for a submissive man. That's repulsive to them. Yes, the man is supposed to be in charge. The only women who don't know this are disobedient. If you don't believe the man should be in charge, you'll have a hard time attracting women, because you will not know how to treat them in such a way that turns them on. You'll just be her platonic friend who happens to be a man, rather than her boyfriend.

So men have to seriously be a-holes for a girl to like them? Well, those women are in for one hell of a treat when hyper-masculine Islam makes it way to America. Considering most of those women have a completely retarded Idea of "Kink" and seem to get off on excessive abuse in the bed, I am convinced they will be ready and pleased with their new masters who will give them that and more- and also strip them of any freedoms they had under the "Horrible, bad ol patriarchy" system that treated them like poop.

The thing is, AW, some short time ago, could see the difference between the A-hole and a solid life partner. Well before sex even happened the first time. And they were spot-on. Today, women dont have a clue. And thats fine. Again, I dont hate them for it, I see it for what it is.... A Mental Illness. or, a gross curse among AW. And now, they are trying to create a genderless society? psst. Good luck with that, im out..

They are acting more like what a man should be in terms of masculinity, but they go overboard.

It isn't just that American women have changed. Do you really believe that when one half of an equation changes that the other half does not also change? Women became more masculine and men became more feminine. The men of today are pansies compared for our great grandfathers. Women are not looking for bad boys. They are looking for real men to lead them, as is the way it is supposed to be. A feminine woman seeks a masculine man, not a feminine man. Your average mangina who defers to women is a feminine man, an effeminate man. Although we only think of homosexuals as being effeminate, most men are to some degree because culture has taught them to deny their masculinity. Go to a place like Poland and you'll see some masculine men. The jerks are just the last remnant of men who have a form of masculinity, but it is an improper form, although still masculinity.

I've done Poland, Adama. The point you make there is correct. You see the same thing is Bulgaria, Romania and Belarus. But those men, as you pointed out are not jerks to women and they do aim to please their woman and expect the woman to reciprocate. Also, women in those parts of the world are not looking for drama to keep the relationship alive. Why? Because they know they will get slapped dizzy, thats why? I actually saw this in Belarus. This guy slapped his girl so hard, it sounded like his hand was made of rubber. Seriously, I felt it from 8 feet away. Anyways, thats what I observed in those parts of the world. But ultimately, we are in agreement on this overall point.

But think about this.... If a Mangina is by your definition: someone who defers to woman which makes them, a feminine man, then lets say you are in Belarus and your good friend's girl just left him. And hes complaining to you about it all. Now, you know he definitely waited for her on hand and foot. Is he a mangina because he tried to do right by an ungrateful woman who didn't reciprocate? Or is he a Mangina because he is complaining to YOU about the entire experience?

And lastly, do you have the balls to even call him a Mangina to his face at this time? Because you know you would get your arse handed to you. Especially in Belarus.

[Adama]

That's not my definition of mangina at all. My definition of mangina is a brainwashed fool who worships women and is secretly, and even sometimes unknowingly, a feminist man.

No, I would not call anyone a mangina to their face. I wouldn't call anyone any names to their face, actually. In real life, I just keep to myself, and I only talk about chosen topics with those people who are receptive, which means I don't talk about much of anything interesting with most people. I do talk about the gospel to people, but really nothing else interests me.

It is not polite to call people names, and I don't want to hurt people's feelings. There is a saying that you have to go along to get along. I'm not trying to rock anyone's boat. I'm just trying to fully illustrate the situation for the lurkers who are unaware and might learn something, or the newbies.

Basically I have no interest in going up to a man to call him a mangina. It isn't even that important. If I knew him would I think badly of a man in that situation? No. Neither is he a mangina. He's just a love sick puppy. That is not a mangina. That's being human. But if I were an acquaintance of his and he was acting like a mangina, would I tell him? Nope. Why? Well certainly I wouldnt want to get a fist to the face, but more importantly is that such a man would not be receptive. It would be like trying to teach astrophysics to an elderly, illiterate person. Or trying to give the gospel to someone to hates God. Why bother? It would seriously be a waste of time, and also part of me would simply accept that he had it coming if he is a mangina. I wouldn't feel sorry for any mangina.

But this is moot because the man you describe could never be a mangina.

[Adama]

When I say defers to women, I mean those men are actually obedient to women, and they allow themselves to be dominated by bossy women. Especially women who give nothing in return. That is a mangina.

I have an uncle who married a lesser attractive woman who is >12 years older than him, who worked as a paralegal all her life. She bosses him around like she's a man. When I talked to him, he really does believe men and women are equals. He got very upset with me when I told him they are not. He even pounded his fist on the dashboard of the car cause he was so angry when I brought up the topic. He obeys his wife. She bosses him. Yet he thinks that men and women are equal.

The man in his 50s from the Manginas Going the Other Way forum is also like this. That's why I brought it up. A man who obeys a woman is a feminist and a mangina. They just don't see it and don't realize it.