"Christian" Pastor Admits To Sexually Abusing An Infant

[MrMan]

I tagged you because you are an apologist for Christian pathology and was curious to hear the excuses you made for Christian abusers. But since you insist that I was inferring that you a child molester, then I can include you among them too!

If you want people to think you are an idiot, you can draw illogical conclusions. I suspect you are smarter than that.

So that begs the question; do you preside over any Christian youth programs?

No.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

I tagged you because you are an apologist for Christian pathology and was curious to hear the excuses you made for Christian abusers. But since you insist that I was inferring that you a child molester, then I can include you among them too!

If you want people to think you are an idiot, you can draw illogical conclusions. I suspect you are smarter than that.

So that begs the question; do you preside over any Christian youth programs?

No.

I'm not sure you should be worried about me being the idiot who draws illogical conclusions. After all, it was just you in this very thread who concluded that since I like young women, I might be the pedophile. That is yet another example of your penchant for projecting your own struggles again.

And if you don't preside over any Christian youth programs (which may or may not be true), stay away from them. Apart from horribly brainwashing them into your cult, "religious" creeps like yourself are being discovered to be sexually abusing children all over the place, hence why I started this thread.

[Yohan]

A child molester could hang out in a church and try to get a position working with the youth, even try to get ordained, etc.

There are clearly thousands of them, worldwide who get ordained successfully and after that whatever they do, there is the rule of silence.
This means even if another priest noticed anything wrong - and this is not only about paedophilia - he will remain silent, he is strongly adviced not to talk about it. - This is the rule of the Italian Mafia. The Church calls it 'seal of the confessional'.

MrMan:
Roman Catholics have rules going back to the 500s that all their priests (with few exceptions for Anglicans and eastern groups that affiliate with Rome) have to marry.

Have to marry????
Something is totally wrong here. Catholic priests are not allowed to marry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_ ... lic_Church

Clerical celibacy is the discipline within the Catholic Church by which only unmarried men are ordained to the episcopate...

Advocates see clerical celibacy as "a special gift of God by which sacred ministers can more easily remain close to Christ with an undivided heart, and can dedicate themselves more freely to the service of God and their neighbour.

The Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches, without exception, rule out ordination of married men to the episcopate, and marriage after priestly ordination.

MrMan: Since Vatican City is considered a sovereign state, the pope could just invite the most serious, obvious, abusers for which there are witnesses to the Vatican, and the guy could never been seen or heard from again, instead of sending him to some remote parish.

Are you serious? You don't know anything obviously about the Vatican.

Italian Mafia was upset, when one of the former Popes was elected but he was not an Italian but from Poland which is deeply into Catholic traditions. - However they are all the same in their mindset, otherwise they would never enter this little 'above the law' State of the Vatican and would never be able to be elected into higher positions.

The present Catholic Pope is from Brazil and had close contact with people in slums, indeed he is a bit sceptical about priests living a lavish life-style and prefers for himself to show up in public as a modest person.
He also removed a few of his followers after serious accusations from their positions.
However this took place only after the Roman Catholic churches were fined millions of USD in the USA, some of them almost facing bankruptcy.

[Guest]

MrMan:
Roman Catholics have rules going back to the 500s that all their priests (with few exceptions for Anglicans and eastern groups that affiliate with Rome) have to marry.

Have to marry????
Something is totally wrong here. Catholic priests are not allowed to marry.

I meant to say not allowed to marry or have to stay celibate. I'll fix that.

The Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches, without exception, rule out ordination of married men to the episcopate, and marriage after priestly ordination.

Already-married men can be priests in Eastern Orthodoxy, but they appoint celibates to the priesthood.

MrMan: Since Vatican City is considered a sovereign state, the pope could just invite the most serious, obvious, abusers for which there are witnesses to the Vatican, and the guy could never been seen or heard from again, instead of sending him to some remote parish.

Are you serious? You don't know anything obviously about the Vatican.

They'd have to get the offender to change his citizenship first, I suppose. My suggestion probably would not fit with their current philosophy.
Italian Mafia was upset, when one of the former Popes was elected but he was not an Italian but from Poland which is deeply into Catholic traditions. - However they are all the same in their mindset, otherwise they would never enter this little 'above the law' State of the Vatican and would never be able to be elected into higher positions.

He also removed a few of his followers after serious accusations from their positions.
However this took place only after the Roman Catholic churches were fined millions of USD in the USA, some of them almost facing bankruptcy.

I hope he is doing a good job of cleaning house on this nasty issue. I was thinking of some of those accused of these abuses in the past who were moved around to other places.

[Guest]

I tagged you because you are an apologist for Christian pathology and was curious to hear the excuses you made for Christian abusers. But since you insist that I was inferring that you a child molester, then I can include you among them too!

If you want people to think you are an idiot, you can draw illogical conclusions. I suspect you are smarter than that.

So that begs the question; do you preside over any Christian youth programs?

No.

I'm not sure you should be worried about me being the idiot who draws illogical conclusions. After all, it was just you in this very thread who concluded that since I like young women, I might be the pedophile.

Those are your words. In the past, your 'logic' would be more along the line of 'must be the pedophile.' I certainly hope you exercise restraint with 17-year-olds. I have no real reason to believe otherwise, except that 18 years old, 17, 16, etc. aren't that far apart, and someone who might be careless about slandering others might have other moral weaknesses as well.

Apart from horribly brainwashing them into your cult, "religious" creeps like yourself are being discovered to be sexually abusing children all over the place, hence why I started this thread.

This is the overgeneralizing thing again. There are 10s of thousands of clergy in the US. Those are the ones who report as such. Some pastors, elder,s etc. earn a living in other ways. A small number are guilty of these crimes and get in the news. How many men who travel abroad to find females sleep with underage girls?

[Yohan]

MrMan:
This is the overgeneralizing thing again. There are 10s of thousands of clergy in the US. Those are the ones who report as such. Some pastors, elder,s etc. earn a living in other ways. A small number are guilty of these crimes and get in the news. How many men who travel abroad to find females sleep with underage girls?

I would not call Christian priests into paedophilia to be only a small number. They appear everywhere worldwide. They can trust their co-workers to remain silent. It's not about some individual priests, there is clearly a system about it.

You cannot compare pastors vs. male tourists.

A pastor has a special obligation to stay away from any sex because he is preaching the gospel to others.
Depending on which Christian group, he is often even not allowed to have any sexual relationship at all if he takes his faith seriously.
He should in no way even think about to force underage children (mostly boys) into sexual activity with him.
He knows these children and their age since long time, expects silence from everybody about his crimes. In case of legal problems, the employer, the Church, was also found to be guilty of cover-up and sometimes had to pay fines of millions of USD.
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A single male tourist is looking out for young women, often for a long-term relationship.
Quite a different situation compared to a pastor.
In case of travel abroad I think it is rare that a foreign man is FORCING underage girls into sex, likely they are introduced to him by local criminals. In general, he does not know anything about these underage girls, he meets them likely the first time. I never heard of any accused male sex-tourist, that he claims he is inspired by God and God will forgive him anything anyway....

[MrMan]

I would not call Christian priests into paedophilia to be only a small number. They appear everywhere worldwide. They can trust their co-workers to remain silent. It's not about some individual priests, there is clearly a system about it.

Roman Catholicism may have a homogenous enough culture to have some kind of a code of silence. Protestantism does not, and it is the sort of thing that makes a lot of people angry and indignant. I would imagine child molesters are secretive about this thing.

You cannot compare pastors vs. male tourists.

A pastor has a special obligation to stay away from any sex because he is preaching the gospel to others.
Depending on which Christian group, he is often even not allowed to have any sexual relationship at all if he takes his faith seriously.

That is not the case with Protestant pastors who are allowed to have sex with their own wives.

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A single male tourist is looking out for young women, often for a long-term relationship.
Quite a different situation compared to a pastor.
In case of travel abroad I think it is rare that a foreign man is FORCING underage girls into sex, likely they are introduced to him by local criminals. In general, he does not know anything about these underage girls, he meets them likely the first time.

If she is forced, the pimps probably force her to get started and she wouldn't probably complain to the customers so the pimps don't pimp slap her or worse.

But comparing Christians in general with men who go abroad looking to hire sugar babies and prostitutes to have sex, who is more likely to have sex with an underaged girl?

[Yohan]

But comparing Christians in general with men who go abroad looking to hire sugar babies and prostitutes to have sex, who is more likely to have sex with an underaged girl?

There is a difference between

1 - Christian priests into paedophilia
and
2 - Western men who hire sugar babies and prostitutes.

1 -
Paedophilia is the sexual desire of people (gender irrelevant) who are clearly past puberty with pre-pubescent children (gender irrelevant). The Roman Catholic Church is quite known for that sick stuff.


2-
About Western men and sugar babies/prostitutes, this is a totally different situation, this is from men (any age, important is they have money) towards women who are clearly past puberty.
Some of these girls might be still minors, but they are sexually fully developed.

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I have some problem to understand what is your definition of 'underage girl' - about what age-group are you talking?

To be underage does not always mean to be unable to give consent.
In Western countries I think there is hardly any woman left who is only a few days past her full age limit and still a virgin, this means she had sexual contact when she was still a minor. Most girls had sexual contacts with multiple boyfriends while still minors. Check out child pregnancies in the USA...