Why do Filipinos NEVER share costs with foreigners or treat?!

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Jonny Law wrote:... look at the fact in internet is filled with happily married Pinays and Whites.
The internet is surprisingly empty of happily married Chinese and Whites.
This is true, but what might be the reason for that? There are plenty more Chinese than Filipinos in this world.

As far as I can see here in Japan, Chinese people prefer to marry Chinese - they are looking often when interested to relocate to find contact with overseas Chinese.

Chinese people, in far larger numbers than Filipinos settle down overseas almost everywhere and they create quickly something like a 'Chinatown' to meet each other in foreign countries for business but also for meeting each other.

Take a look to UK, Canada, USA, France etc. etc. Of course also here in Japan, like the very large ChinaTown in nearby Yokohama, not far from Tokyo.

I never heard something about a Filipino-town, and the only meetings here in Japan, despite the Philippine community is rather large (no. 4 of all foreigners after the Koreans, Chinese and Brazilians) are usually on Sunday in some churches, Catholic, or LDS etc.

Marriages etc. among Chinese, you will find something on the internet, but usually not in English language.
To prefer Chinese to English while talking about private matters is quite popular among many overseas Chinese.

Of course there are UK-Chinese and USA-Chinese etc. who cannot write/read Chinese anymore, but are native English speakers. However for them too, it is useful to learn some Chinese if they look for contacts with mainland-China.

Philippine people however are using English often and do not mind to talk to foreigners of different ethnic background for marriage, that's maybe the reason you find quite a lot of references about them on the internet.

It should be noticed that many Western social websites are blocked in China, but in Philippines this is not the case.
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Winston wrote:Guys,
The average salary in the Philippines is 300p a day, about 7 dollars a day, which comes out to less than 200 dollars a month. How do Filipinos survive on that? How come other Filipino families can survive on that, but Dianne can't? I keep asking her how other Filipinos survive on such a salary and she can't, and she refuses to answer. Why? Can any of you answer for her? I've been asking these questions for years. Why can't I get logical answers to them?
In my professional opinion:
Filipinas are whores, that is how they support themselves. And that is why they do not say and give away their secret.

The Pinays I talk to say that they borrow money from friends or neighbors. I guess they live off of each other. My guess is that this is only possible because the girls do sexual favors.
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Winston wrote:Guys,
The average salary in the Philippines is 300p a day, about 7 dollars a day, which comes out to less than 200 dollars a month. How do Filipinos survive on that? How come other Filipino families can survive on that, but Dianne can't? I keep asking her how other Filipinos survive on such a salary and she can't, and she refuses to answer. Why? Can any of you answer for her? I've been asking these questions for years. Why can't I get logical answers to them?
Filipinas are whores, that is how they support themselves. And that is why they do not say and give away their secret.
Call center workers for example, do not make 200 per month. In metroanila, call center workers make from about P20,000 to P50,000 monthly. Any kind of skilled professionals are not making just. P9000 (about $200) per month. Even in the provinces I know taxi drivers that make a lot more than 200 monthly.

How much time have you spent in the Philippines?
If you are the average Western male, you will not get beyond whoretown AC , and afterwards, complain about the Philippines and filipinas being whore$. After all, ho- town is where the "action" is, right?

Most Western men in the Philippines are just dirtbags, who deserve what they get. To have lived in the Philippines, and not know that $200 monthly income is poverty level, is amazing. Families that do better on low salaries may have 3 or 4 wage earners in the same household, so their actual family income is 6 or 7 hundred monthly or more.

It's not hard to figure out what things cost, if one is really interested. Mr S is likely a very good source of info for costs around metro Manila, and I can tell you, that a woman with a child and only $200 monthly is living in poverty even far removed from manila, as in CDO.

It's not our business of course, what Winston pays Dianne. If she earns some money herself, add a couple of hundred to that, and she is likely doing better than many.

The question for Winston of course, is how do you want your son to live? In poverty? I don't think you do. From all reports, Dianne does a pretty good job of raising your son.
That is worth a lot. With any flaws she may have, as per Rock's reports and others, your son is lucky to have her as his mother. One cannot separate the welfare of son and mother in this case. I'm sure over time, you DO want both of them to be OK.
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Dear Sir Winston,

Do not allow your son to live in poverty. Instead have your son live with you. And in the end you will be a happier man.
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Jonny Law wrote: In my professional opinion:
Filipinas are whores, that is how they support themselves. And that is why they do not say and give away their secret.
The Pinays I talk to say that they borrow money from friends or neighbors. I guess they live off of each other. My guess is that this is only possible because the girls do sexual favors.
I don't think, this is a 'professional opinion', as there are many poor Filipinas who never consider any income related to any form of nightlife.

You got something totally wrong I guess - not every poor Filipina is a whore, and not every poor Filipino is a gangster.

Most poor Filipinas survive by living together in very small rented rooms sharing space and sharing all and everything what they own, clothes, food etc., they are often relatives, former class-mates, working in the same factory etc. and know and trust each other.
Some of them have children, so the girl without job at the moment takes care of all children.

It's not only about Filipinas, but about Filipinos as well - many low-income male workers just share rooms which often belong to the company they work for.

For example, the son of the caretaker of my foster daughter lives on a Cebu cargo ship since years, where he is working as a machinist, his income is php 14.000,-, free food, some medical care is also for free and he has his own small cabin and receives about 1 month paid vacation (About 2 weeks x 2 for X-mas and Easter = about 1 month) and 1 month bonus pay. He is not unhappy with that, it's about USD 300,- monthly, clothes are provided from the shipping line and it's a regular work. He does not spend any money while on the ship.
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From ethan_sg:

"Been spending the weekend with my girlfriend, her sister and her mum. Cooked for us yesterday and today we brought her out for dinner and I was expecting to pay the bill but her mum secretly went to pay it when pretending to go to the restroom lol. Good sign? So far so good she seems to like me. Kept taking pictures of me and my gf together.

Can you imagine Filipino mums doing that? Secretly paying for a 300 rmb dinner bill when going to the restroom instead of letting the foreigner pay for it? Lol."

(Btw, 300 rmb = 50 dollars usd)
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Winston wrote:From ethan_sg:

"Been spending the weekend with my girlfriend, her sister and her mum. Cooked for us yesterday and today we brought her out for dinner and I was expecting to pay the bill but her mum secretly went to pay it when pretending to go to the restroom lol. Good sign? So far so good she seems to like me. Kept taking pictures of me and my gf together.

Can you imagine Filipino mums doing that? Secretly paying for a 300 rmb dinner bill when going to the restroom instead of letting the foreigner pay for it? Lol."

(Btw, 300 rmb = 50 dollars usd)
You must be dating a rich Chinese girl. Where is this girl from Mainland China?
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WorldTraveler,
In China, normal working girls will treat guys to dinner or meals. Not all, but maybe half of them do. In contrast, almost no Filipino girls will treat a foreign guy, because the ones that have some money to buy meals in restaurants won't be hanging out with foreigners. lol. Only the Filipino girls that can't pay for anything, or won't, will hang out with foreigners, and they have no shame about the foreign guy paying for everything 100 percent of the time. lol

So it doesn't mean Ethan_sg's girl is rich, or that her mom is. Chinese are just much more generous about treating food to their friends and loved ones, including foreigners, than Filipinos are. Even rich Filipinos aren't very generous, I hear. Stinginess is just part of Filipino culture. Filipinos LOVE to receive, but not to give. They always salivate when it comes to receiving things from others for FREE! To receive things is the Filipino's highest desire. They definitely don't go by the Christian principle that "It is better to give than receive" despite being a Catholic country. lol
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WorldTraveler wrote:
Winston wrote:From ethan_sg:

"Been spending the weekend with my girlfriend, her sister and her mum. Cooked for us yesterday and today we brought her out for dinner and I was expecting to pay the bill but her mum secretly went to pay it when pretending to go to the restroom lol. Good sign? So far so good she seems to like me. Kept taking pictures of me and my gf together.

Can you imagine Filipino mums doing that? Secretly paying for a 300 rmb dinner bill when going to the restroom instead of letting the foreigner pay for it? Lol."

(Btw, 300 rmb = 50 dollars usd)
You must be dating a rich Chinese girl. Where is this girl from Mainland China?
They don't need to be rich to do that. Even some poorer families in China might behave that way. It's very much a part of the culture. My friend in USA married a Chinese girl a decade ago and brought her to States. Her parents worked for government and were considered middle class in Shenyang. Well even though this guy is 26 years her senior, the parents still sends money to the girl periodically to buy gifts for the 2 kids they had, etc. They've never asked for a dime from either of them.

In Taiwan, it's even more common. The parents will usually treat and be very generous, hospitable, and welcoming. Even when they don't like the guy, they may force themselves to be nice if he visits the house, offer tea, etc. Chinese tend to behave with dignity in this regard.
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India is on a same level of poverty as Philippines but Indians would share cost or most of the time, pay the entire bill while in restaurants. Its considered an insult if you go Dutch like in western countries.

Even Western people share cost, go dutch while going out with friends, in India, its extremely insulting to share cost of a meal. It works on understanding, if i pay this time, you pay next time...friends treating each other.

Many Indians feel awkward going out with Western friends as they have to share meal cost at the end.

Now, filipinos are on a entirely different level. They would NEVER TREAT YOU EVER even on x'mas or birthdays, you have to treat them on your birthday as well as theirs :lol:

Also, they would bring all their friends to tag along for free dinner and some guys would ask money to go back home from you. I'm not making this up, one of the girl i really wanted to be with, tagged her cousins, but the cousins wanted me to pay for their gas to come and meet me, they were totally disrespectful and ordered the most expensive drinks and food, but I had to give in because of this girl. I have not forgotten that incident after so many years as that was the most weird behavior i have seen. Indians are cheap too, but Filipino cheapness is beyond human decency on these matters... :D
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I've heard two different things when it comes to dating in China.
The guy always pays and girls will split the bill. Oddly enough I don't recall anyone saying it is a mix, either someone says it is pretty much all one way and others who say the splitting is at least common. One of these groups isn't right.

OTOH, I've read many times and have been told by a Chinese girl that in non date situations people will often try very hard to take the bill for themselves.
OTOH a Hong Kong girl very recently never heard of this [while paying for my very expensive meal and even giving me most of her steak]

On an unrelated note, this is why when I make a comment about another country and people dismiss it because they were there and I was not I have to laugh. When I say something it is the result of a multitude of observations and often with comments on said observations from many sources.

That being said, from what I've read I have no idea how it normally works. I know my fire horse insists on paying her on way and even offered to chip in for gas because I live an hour away. One of the things I like about her.

Starchilds last paragraph sounds true from other sources. It really does sound like a horrible country. I wonder if Thai people are that bad.
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In China either you pay or the lady pays, you don't split bills, it is very - urgh - and rightly so.

Chinese women have paid for my dinner loads of times, now I am thinking - even when there has been no romantic interest, they have paid, and I have paid for them - when they pay, it is because you have paid previously and it is about taking turns.

Anyone who itemises a bill with a Chinese woman and expects her to go straight down the middle and expect romantic interest from them afterwards - well... :roll:
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yick wrote:In China either you pay or the lady pays, you don't split bills, it is very - urgh - and rightly so.

Chinese women have paid for my dinner loads of times, now I am thinking - even when there has been no romantic interest, they have paid, and I have paid for them - when they pay, it is because you have paid previously and it is about taking turns.

Anyone who itemises a bill with a Chinese woman and expects her to go straight down the middle and expect romantic interest from them afterwards - well... :roll:
Well it's been working for me so far. I've tried paying her way, she just won't do it, at least not without a huge struggle and demands that she handles the next. It is just easier to let her have it her way. She is a bit of an oddball though.


Myself I am a huge fan of itemizing bills. If we are talking food at least, it is much more fair being a big fat white guy than going 50/50 or I pay you pay. Also alternating bills sets up the issue of the cost of each date. It is just much easier and more fair to pay your own way.
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If your Chinese or Taiwanese parents fought to pay the dinner bill for their friends and relatives, it rubs off on their kids.

Most culture has hospitality elements. Arab bedouins offered 3 days of almost unconditional hospitality to strangers in ye olde days.
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Well it's been working for me so far.
What has?

If we are talking about women from Mainland China - well, they often do, they often buy you little presents and bring food to you. This is the conversation right, the difference between women from Mainland China and Filipinas. Are you in Mainland China? Are you going out with a Mainland Chinese woman?
Myself I am a huge fan of itemizing bills
Do that with a woman from Mainland China and you are going to last as long as a snowflake in the Sahara.

You are just going to make her lose face and a Chinese man would NEVER ever itemise a food bill. :roll:

Itemising bills is a very North American way of a paying a bill, do you think a Chinese woman is going to sit there whilst you go 'Well, I had the creme brulee and you had the salad and you owe 13 dollars and 68 cents'

f**k off - what planet are you living on? :lol:

You would never ever hear off her again - and rightly so.

Now - we are talking Chinese women in China vs Filipinas - if your girl is from somewhere else... well... :?
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