Bait and Switch for Followers

[MrMan]

No, I don't think it's possible to get a White girl that's a hot virgin past 16 years old.

I am going to accept inexperienced non-virgins as girlfriends up to age 21 if they're hot enough and have all the other qualities I want but they will never move past girlfriend stage and will also be my business partners.

At this point in my life, I don't want to be alone and I want fun and I want girlfriends. More than one girlfriend and I would prefer my girlfriends be bisexual or willing to be bisexual for me.

I know that there's only so much I can do on my own which is why I decided to accept "acceptable" girls as girlfriends if I can get a few.

You also write in another post,

I honestly wouldn't do hookups. That's really not my style. Maybe after several dates and knowing it might be something with long-term potential but I don't want a one and done sort of thing

So you think a girl willing to be 'bisexual' for you has long-term potential? The other girl she wants to bring in probably has a boyfriend, so they try to talk you into a Ménage à four with some guy,..... stay away from pervy girls like that.

Honor God in all aspects of your life, including the romance/relationship aspect of it.

[Tsar]

No, I don't think it's possible to get a White girl that's a hot virgin past 16 years old.

I am going to accept inexperienced non-virgins as girlfriends up to age 21 if they're hot enough and have all the other qualities I want but they will never move past girlfriend stage and will also be my business partners.

At this point in my life, I don't want to be alone and I want fun and I want girlfriends. More than one girlfriend and I would prefer my girlfriends be bisexual or willing to be bisexual for me.

I know that there's only so much I can do on my own which is why I decided to accept "acceptable" girls as girlfriends if I can get a few.

You also write in another post,

I honestly wouldn't do hookups. That's really not my style. Maybe after several dates and knowing it might be something with long-term potential but I don't want a one and done sort of thing

So you think a girl willing to be 'bisexual' for you has long-term potential? The other girl she wants to bring in probably has a boyfriend, so they try to talk you into a Ménage à four with some guy,..... stay away from pervy girls like that.

Honor God in all aspects of your life, including the romance/relationship aspect of it.

Yes, I would accept a bisexual girlfriend and probably go out together to pickup girls as a couple.

If I had to accept a non-virgin as a girlfriend, I would prefer she's bi. It would allow me to tryout other girls and she has a better chance of helping me get a teen virgin as my additional girlfriend.

[MrMan]

No, I don't think it's possible to get a White girl that's a hot virgin past 16 years old.

I am going to accept inexperienced non-virgins as girlfriends up to age 21 if they're hot enough and have all the other qualities I want but they will never move past girlfriend stage and will also be my business partners.

At this point in my life, I don't want to be alone and I want fun and I want girlfriends. More than one girlfriend and I would prefer my girlfriends be bisexual or willing to be bisexual for me.

I know that there's only so much I can do on my own which is why I decided to accept "acceptable" girls as girlfriends if I can get a few.

You also write in another post,

I honestly wouldn't do hookups. That's really not my style. Maybe after several dates and knowing it might be something with long-term potential but I don't want a one and done sort of thing

So you think a girl willing to be 'bisexual' for you has long-term potential? The other girl she wants to bring in probably has a boyfriend, so they try to talk you into a Ménage à four with some guy,..... stay away from pervy girls like that.

Honor God in all aspects of your life, including the romance/relationship aspect of it.

Yes, I would accept a bisexual girlfriend and probably go out together to pickup girls as a couple.

If I had to accept a non-virgin as a girlfriend, I would prefer she's bi. It would allow me to tryout other girls and she has a better chance of helping me get a teen virgin as my additional girlfriend.

Sounds like a very unrealistic porn fantasy.

[MrMan]

No, I don't think it's possible to get a White girl that's a hot virgin past 16 years old.

I am going to accept inexperienced non-virgins as girlfriends up to age 21 if they're hot enough and have all the other qualities I want but they will never move past girlfriend stage and will also be my business partners.

At this point in my life, I don't want to be alone and I want fun and I want girlfriends. More than one girlfriend and I would prefer my girlfriends be bisexual or willing to be bisexual for me.

I know that there's only so much I can do on my own which is why I decided to accept "acceptable" girls as girlfriends if I can get a few.

You also write in another post,

I honestly wouldn't do hookups. That's really not my style. Maybe after several dates and knowing it might be something with long-term potential but I don't want a one and done sort of thing

So you think a girl willing to be 'bisexual' for you has long-term potential? The other girl she wants to bring in probably has a boyfriend, so they try to talk you into a Ménage à four with some guy,..... stay away from pervy girls like that.

Honor God in all aspects of your life, including the romance/relationship aspect of it.

Yes, I would accept a bisexual girlfriend and probably go out together to pickup girls as a couple.

If I had to accept a non-virgin as a girlfriend, I would prefer she's bi. It would allow me to tryout other girls and she has a better chance of helping me get a teen virgin as my additional girlfriend.

Sounds like a very unrealistic porn fantasy.

[publicduende]

Sounds like a very unrealistic porn fantasy.

Our friend @Tsar is locked in his fantasy world. He needs to go out more and experiment with dating, of any kind, as soon as he can.

@Tsar in your present situation, you're a beggar, not a chooser. I would strongly advice you to pay a visit to the Philippines and try to hook up with any girl who shows a modicum of interest towards you, regardless of her age, virginity status, socioeconomic background. You need to act, not fantasize. You are in your 30s already and sharing these high-flying fantasies won't help you at all.

[MrMan]

@Tsar,

I would not take that advice. Work hard. Start at the bottom if you have to. Get yourself established in a way to make a living without scams or tricks. Then find a kind, decent, and moral young woman. There are a variety of women of all different types. They aren't all one way. They aren't all sluts.

[Tsar]

Sounds like a very unrealistic porn fantasy.

Our friend @Tsar is locked in his fantasy world. He needs to go out more and experiment with dating, of any kind, as soon as he can.

@Tsar in your present situation, you're a beggar, not a chooser. I would strongly advice you to pay a visit to the Philippines and try to hook up with any girl who shows a modicum of interest towards you, regardless of her age, virginity status, socioeconomic background. You need to act, not fantasize. You are in your 30s already and sharing these high-flying fantasies won't help you at all.

No, I am never going to the Philippines. I don't and never found them to be my type or attracted to their features. The food quality is low. I won't like living on an island. Too many scammers. It would be like the Asian version of Mexico. Too many Americans and Americanization.

I also don't want a girl if she doesn't enhance my life.

Sorry, but I am not dating the lowest hanging fruit of the world. That's not my thing. I intend to stick with EE girls. I am not going to consider interracial relationships a viable option.

[Tsar]

@Tsar in your present situation, you're a beggar, not a chooser.

WTF does that supposed to mean?

[Tsar]

The #1 problem that I have is finding girls to approach and also finding single girls. It's not easy to get a girl.

But I have recently started having girls on some websites call me handsome and beautiful after modifying my looks.

I have also improved my online small talk abilities by a large degree.

[Tsar]

Every girl I have encountered met up with a boyfriend. The only one I found that was alone and approachable, I waited too a little long so she started walking. I was debating the best way for me to approach her. But I sort of needed to learn more about the area so it's not much of a loss. But that girl was obviously not going to be a virgin but was really hot. I would guess her age was 20-22.

[publicduende]

No, I am never going to the Philippines. I don't and never found them to be my type or attracted to their features. The food quality is low. I won't like living on an island. Too many scammers. It would be like the Asian version of Mexico. Too many Americans and Americanization.

I also don't want a girl if she doesn't enhance my life.

Sorry, but I am not dating the lowest hanging fruit of the world. That's not my thing. I intend to stick with EE girls. I am not going to consider interracial relationships a viable option.

Like many American incel, you are overly naive about the "old world", Europe and Easter Europe in your case. "EE girls", especially the young and hot ones, know their market values and will be looking for a good looking young stud their age, who can satisfy their sexual needs, or an older man with plenty of money, who can satisfy their material needs. Perhaps both at the same time.

The kind of Russian, Ukrainian and Bulgarian girls you daydream and talk about, only exist in your fantasy. If you ever stumbled across one and she gave you the slightest amount of interest, it will certainly be not to be your Princess, or whatever royal fantasies you have. I advise you run away fast, as she might "eat you alive", to use a perhaps extreme yet apt term.

You still think "EE girls" are like Borat's fictional sister in a dilapidated farmer's village in central Caucasus.



I would suggest you wake the f*** up from your juvenile fantasies and bite reality. The only girls who might be interested in a man with no job and no skills, and who has zero real experience with the ladies, are some cute and submissive Filipina. That, or complete solitude, or the risk of ending up in serious trouble.

[Tsar]

Like many American incel, you are overly naive about the "old world", Europe and Easter Europe in your case. "EE girls", especially the young and hot ones, know their market values and will be looking for a good looking young stud their age, who can satisfy their sexual needs, or an older man with plenty of money, who can satisfy their material needs. Perhaps both at the same time.

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I would suggest you wake the f*** up from your juvenile fantasies and bite reality. The only girls who might be interested in a man with no job and no skills, and who has zero real experience with the ladies, are some cute and submissive Filipina. That, or complete solitude, or the risk of ending up in serious trouble.

I think you're just sensitive because you wanted a European girl but couldn't get one...

I also don't want a girl that's completely submissive. I want a girl that's sometimes willing to take the lead and tell me what she wants. I only vibe well with EE girls and I won't have a cultural mismatch.

Occult secrets explain why I am not leaving EE and why what I seek is only in EE.

It's also VolCel since I actually turned down sex. You keep missing that fact. I won't have sex with a girl unless I am into her and like what I would be getting.

[publicduende]

I think you're just sensitive because you wanted a European girl but couldn't get one...

That's plain stupid, of course. I lived in Italy until after college and I guess Italian girls qualify as "European".

But that's not the point, we are talking about you.

I also don't want a girl that's completely submissive. I want a girl that's sometimes willing to take the lead and tell me what she wants. I only vibe well with EE girls and I won't have a cultural mismatch.

Occult secrets explain why I am not leaving EE and why what I seek is only in EE.

It's also VolCel since I actually turned down sex. You keep missing that fact. I won't have sex with a girl unless I am into her and like what I would be getting.

You think you vibe better with girls from East Europe. The fact you feel more interested or excited by looking at photos and videos of Russian or Romanian teenage models doesn't mean they will reciprocate that feeling, if they ever were to cross paths with you. I have no idea where you are now - Mexico? Bulgaria? - but if you still are in Eastern Europe, can you tell me how many of those hot teenagers have you met, talked to, interacted with, let alone dated or had a relationship with? I know the answer: zero.

So, if and when you finally come down from your tower of delusions, you will quickly realise that, as an incel/volcel, you are too old to afford to sit and wait for your 16-yo blonde princess. Start understanding women, REAL WOMEN, as soon as you can. By experience, the Philippines is a good starting ground for men, like you, who have very little to show for, zero credentials and zero experience. As we used to tell each other back in Italy when I was a kid, any experience is always better than no experience.

If you're waiting for "occult secrets" to reveal you the magic formula to seduce a hot Bulgarian half your age, without her dad or cousin beating you to a mince, you'll never get there.

[Tsar]

@publicduende It's not easy to encounter girls without boyfriends otherwise I would have one.

I get plenty of girls showing me interest and most are from EE and teens. I'm sure if I was in one of the countries where I get interest, I could get one of them to meet me. I even had some girls talk about sexual fantasies with me. All these are girls 15-19, so don't think I am not having a good amount of success.

It's just a matter of getting one IRL in my current locations because the sanctions prevent me from traveling to the best locations.

It was a trial and error. I won't follow advice that would make me unhappy.

I don't find Filipinas beautiful or intelligent enough for me. I won't be going outside Europe or to any incompatible cultures. I tried to tolerate incompatible cultures, listen to terrible advice to stop pursuing the best girls in the world, and it made me unhappy. Third world conditions are everywhere outside of Europe. The Philippines would be more expensive to replicate any comparable quality of life that exists in Europe. Sorry, but I'm not dealing with Asia's Mexico or any other places.

Europe is safe, has pleasant people, more trusting people, highly intelligent people, and Europe isn't a total lackey to America. Any hot Filipina will have greater demand by everyone and most hot Filipinas want the local men or Korean guys, not White men!

If I am going to race mix, I want the Top 5% of any non-White.

If I am sticking with Whites, then I want the Top 20%-25% of White females. And among White Females, only EE girls are worth anything to me!

Most non-EE Whites are just too unattractive or boyish or feminist for me...

I am comfortable in Europe. Eventually, if I keep working on myself, I will get a girl, because I vibe with the location.

[publicduende]

@publicduende It's not easy to encounter girls without boyfriends otherwise I would have one.

That is probably true. It's also true that, in the age bracket you're looking at, most girls are still too young and immature and not really looking for a long-term relationship. You fix that by simply looking at young women in their mid to late 20, perhaps even early 30s. I bet you will find plenty more looking for a serious man to love and settle with.

Given that, the only thing remaining is to be that "serious man". Give her socio-economic and emotional security by giving yourself those two things first. It's really that simple, @Tsar.

I get plenty of girls showing me interest and most are from EE and teens. I'm sure if I was in one of the countries where I get interest, I could get one of them to meet me. I even had some girls talk about sexual fantasies with me. All these are girls 15-19, so don't think I am not having a good amount of success.

It's just a matter of getting one IRL in my current locations because the sanctions prevent me from traveling to the best locations.

It was a trial and error. I won't follow advice that would make me unhappy.

If by "interest" you mean single-line replies to your chat messages on dating sites or forums, that's something, but still very far from getting to know that person. IRL all of you is exposed, all of you is invested. Keeping up the lie, the "digital filter" is almost impossible. It's the ultimate testing ground and, as far as I am concerned, it's the ultimate training ground.

You should consider that.

I don't find Filipinas beautiful or intelligent enough for me. I won't be going outside Europe or to any incompatible cultures. I tried to tolerate incompatible cultures, listen to terrible advice to stop pursuing the best girls in the world, and it made me unhappy. Third world conditions are everywhere outside of Europe. The Philippines would be more expensive to replicate any comparable quality of life that exists in Europe. Sorry, but I'm not dealing with Asia's Mexico or any other places.

That you don't like Filipinas physically, I can understand, in fact, I already got the message. All I am saying is that the Philippines are such an easy country to get a girl in, whether for mindless sex or marriage, that even you will find it easier to date and learn something about how to approach girls in real life. In terms of training grounds available in the world, it's the kindergarten. If you didn't have any education, where would you start from? Primary school or college?

Europe is safe, has pleasant people, more trusting people, highly intelligent people, and isn't lackeys to America. Any hot Filipina will have greater demand by everyone and most hot Filipinos want the local men or Korean guys, not White men!

It's a stereotype. There are dumbasses and bums in Europe, too. The literacy levels are plunging everywhere in Europe, especially in the "southern" countries (Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal, etc.). For what it's worth, it's the US that are still going strong in attracting the best talents not only from Europe but from around the world.

Not really true, that hot Filipinas will want a Korean guy. Many hot Filipinas routinely marry Western or Caucasian men. Sure, if it's a hot jet-set woman you've got to have something going on for yourself. Isabelle Daza here is an actress, model, and daughter of former Miss Universe (herself a "girl next door" turned model and actress). She married a foreigner, a Frenchman I think, who is not only decent looking but also a proper expat, a Country Manager for some multinational I can't remember.



In the end, like everywhere else, if you want the cream of the crop, you must have something going on for yourself. It's just that, in the Philippines, there are so many cute girls who are single and very open to dating a foreigner. Try that in China, or Japan, or, worse, Thailand, without collecting an album of the worst scammers.

If I am going to race mix, I want the Top 5% of any non-White.

And, precisely, who are you to lay that claim? Are you yourself top 5% of the US gene pool? Again, step off your personal cloud.

If I am sticking with Whites, then I want the Top 20%-25% of White females. And among White Females, only EE girls are worth anything to me!

Most non-EE Whites are just too unattractive or boyish or feminist for me...

Yes, but it so happens that, by nature and nurture, you will never be able to get a top 20-25% of white females (whatever that might mean) unless you practice.

I am comfortable in Europe. Eventually, if I keep working on myself, I will get a girl, because I vibe with the location.

Finally got there. Working on yourself primarily means understanding your limits and working on them. From what I can see from your posts here, you seem to harbour totally naive ideas about women and perhaps the real world. You should put yourself out there, unconditionally and without expectations, and work your way to wherever you want to be.

You might not like my tough love but it is what it is: you're way, way down and you're quite late in the game. That doesn't mean you can take massive shortcuts (dating in the Philippines is already a substantial shortcut, in more than a way), you still need to pace up and take things one step at a time.

I still believe a first step is to establish yourself socially and financially. You say it would be difficult to replicate any quality of life in a third world country. If you don't have a steady income, no country will give you a decent quality of life. Weren't you complaining about food in Bulgaria giving you worms, or some sort of skin condition?

Work on acquiring skills that will allow you to work remotely. The era of digital nomads surviving on copywriting (or so they claimed) is well over. Try hard skills like software development or development operations ("DevOps"), or web design if you are more creatively inclined.