Has 'Happier Abroad' Philosophy Ruined Any Lives?

[MrMan]

I'm curious about posters here. Do you think that swallowing the 'happier abroad' version of the red pill messed up your life?

You come onto this site, then read about how American (British, Western etc.) women are so bad. You start to think of the women that way, stop pursuing relationships, never make it overseas, and end up alone?

You come onto this site and read how the US is a terrible place to live, work, and do business, and think you have to work overseas, but it doesn't work out to do so. You are so negative toward working in the US, that you never apply yourself to a career and end up poor without marketable job skills?

Has anything like this happened to you or a fellow poster you can think of?

[kangarunner]

I'm curious about posters here. Do you think that swallowing the 'happier abroad' version of the red pill messed up your life?

You come onto this site, then read about how American (British, Western etc.) women are so bad. You start to think of the women that way, stop pursuing relationships, never make it overseas, and end up alone?

You come onto this site and read how the US is a terrible place to live, work, and do business, and think you have to work overseas, but it doesn't work out to do so. You are so negative toward working in the US, that you never apply yourself to a career and end up poor without marketable job skills?

Has anything like this happened to you or a fellow poster you can think of?

Get real. I'm glad I got red-pilled. Once you know the truth, you will look at everything differently. All these blue pilled people are literally walking zombies.

America is the biggest f***ing nightmare in the world right now. I doubt a little website like this will mess up your life as much as the constant fuckings that you will get living each day in the US.

Remember what Tony Montana said. "You know what capitalism is?.....Getting f***ed."

[Yohan]

I'm curious about posters here. Do you think that swallowing the 'happier abroad' version of the red pill messed up your life?

I think it depends on your personal situation. Just pure luck how it works out. We cannot change our past, but we can change our future...
To relocate to a far away country is a risk, 'Happier Abroad' for some people (the majority are men) it's a good solution, but surely not for everybody.

It is true that I was badly treated by females (of any kind, like mother, half sisters, female teachers, female class mates, female staff etc.) and my wish was always (even as a child) to move away from Europe, to move away from this society. I had also other reasons to leave, it was not only about feminism.

No regret and I never came back. Of course there are some challenges, for example not to use your own native language (in both spoken and written) anymore regardless if during your worktime or at home. There are some important issues to consider like visa, working permit and as a man you have to very careful about not to run out of money - you need a regular income in case of long-stay if you are still young and not retired with a good retirement allowance. If you relocate, you need a new home. This all costs some money and you can never live as cheap as some local people in the country of your destination.

Other men in Western countries have a different childhood, different relationship with their relatives, have generally more luck and find a nice female partner from their own country etc. and cannot understand why somebody like I myself left everything behind and was starting a new life as a foreigner far away from the own native country....

[publicduende]

@MrMan

A very interesting question and one which touches me on a barely healed wound.

I found HA, as in, the website, the forum and all that comes with it, in June 2011, literally 24 hours after the onset of an incredibly tragic and stressful event, one which changed my life forever. While I cannot go into too much detail, I can say this event brought about two opposite forces: the progressive rejection of the life I was having back in London, and the quest for something fresh and new, an escapist dream.

As I actually told Winston here, in an old post, HA was my escapist dream. Having let go of the certainties of my old life, I found myself in open, dark waters. Perhaps unconsciously, my mind vowed to clutch and hold tight, very tight, to the first thing that looked like an anchor. I just happened to be HA. Had it been a blog about South America, I would be living there now. Had it been a neo-Nazi forum, I would have probably wound up in one of those radical right-wing groups and followed their agendas to a tee.

Well, I am happy that it just happened to be HA. I filled up my bag of good - if a touch naive - intentions and travelled East. The rest, as the say, it history.

HA did not ruin me. Perhaps it strongly defined some of the steps, the decisions, the trials and errors, maybe the good stuff I have been doing in the past 7 or 8 years. It definitely didn't ruin me.

[Mew6ix]

I was in Mexico for a while a few years ago, and wish I hadn't returned.

Mexico is not a crony capitalistic, commericalized, corporatist and feminist shithole, with the exception of "cuidad de gringo" Mexico City.

[Cornfed]

The question is silly. There is no reason appreciating the obvious should ruin your life. We have almost certainly saved countless lives.

[WilliamSmith]

I'm curious about posters here. Do you think that swallowing the 'happier abroad' version of the red pill messed up your life?

You come onto this site, then read about how American (British, Western etc.) women are so bad. You start to think of the women that way, stop pursuing relationships, never make it overseas, and end up alone?

You come onto this site and read how the US is a terrible place to live, work, and do business, and think you have to work overseas, but it doesn't work out to do so. You are so negative toward working in the US, that you never apply yourself to a career and end up poor without marketable job skills?

Has anything like this happened to you or a fellow poster you can think of?

First to address the general question:
Hmm, you described a theoretic male who is so easily swayed into believing US/UK/Western women are horrible, or that the US is horrible for life and career, etc, and then just saturates himself in those self-defeating beliefs and negativity, while also failing to even leave the country...

Don't you think that is a bit much to label all that bad-nastiness as supposedly representing the "Happier Abroad" philosophy?

Seems more reasonable to me to say the HA philosophy would just be a variation of "Go where you're treated best," and find another area and the rules/regs for how you can be an expat or naturalize there (or just visa hop about from country to country) that has the mixture of a dating, social, cultural, and/or economic environment you like.

No one's individual views about what areas they personally dislike need to influence everyone/anyone else, unless they already resonate.

I do notice there are a lot of people in this contemporary "manosphere" (especially the whiniest "men's rights" side of the thing, even though I acknowledge they have some valid complaints) who fall into the "negatoilet" trap you described and pretty much bend over backward to see every single thing in the most negative, defeatist way possible. But I don't see how HA's potential promise of how much happier such dissatisfied souls could be in a different country is likely to contribute to them being even more negative...

I think @Winston is probably right that he's actually saved the lives of some miserable men who are completely demoralized in the 'West' until the revelation of how much happier they could be overseas in some area that suits them.
I've never been this sort myself, but sounds like @publicduende was one of these cases if I read correctly.
(And here in this thread @Cornfed I see echoed that belief too, in a rare moment of apparent positivity! )

[WilliamSmith]

HA certainly hasn't messed up my life, speaking for myself! I was already 100% committed to getting out of the jewnited states before I found the site.

Some influencers have been recommending getting out of the USSA for a long time, like Doug Casey and the International Man crowd who argue that you'd better get multiple passports before the "Deep State" makes it impossible for you to leave. (And with a less overtly political focus, that Nomad Capitalist fellow and his posse of Eastern European chicks have been saying this for awhile, LOL).
Oh, and that Caleb Jones who I found out about because @jamesbond posted some of his videos, but who seems to me one of the more on-the-mark pua/seduction scene men, but he also has his whole pitch about expatriation and goes into lots of good valuable detail about building location-independent income and getting multiple citizenships elsewhere, since the USSA and West in general are collapsing into a world of shit and for the most part are only likely to keep getting worse.

As for HA:
I first discovered it from a damn funny article I found just doing net searches on potential expatriation zones, I think written by Winston, called something like "Best Countries in the World to Get Laid" or something like that, and then I found the forum full of interesting personalities.

Quite a dynamic mixture of thought-provoking discussion on everything from cultural dynamics in specific countries, to philosophical or metaphysical and political topics, a good amount of flaming each other, some rather inventive "creative writing" accounts (some might call them trolls), and Winston posting dozens of threads about conspiracy theories, as well as where to lay the nicest women throughout the world.
Awesome place!

And last but not least, I did also find a lot of valuable information from different peoples' country reports and travel reports scattered around in various threads, old and new.

That is no small thing in this day and age, because the degree of both interventionist cancel culture and censorship, and the ludicrous amount of self-censorship and political correctness makes it difficult to actually get a realistic picture of what things are actually like in a lot of places.
HA certainly is a welcome relief from all that: You have to read between the lines by balancing what HA members say with what you can infer about their personality and worldview, but Happier Abroad certainly is a rare island of actual free speech where more than a few members aren't afraid to speak their minds.

[MrMan]

This forum can be a little extreme on the negativity. The thing is, whatever country a poster is from, he can say, "Women in my country are no good. My country is terrible. Working here is awful." And try to live in another country. That can appeal to men around the world, and since this is an English-speaking forum, probably mostly to men in western countries.

Someone in Canada could think this and set his sites on the UK or Australia, and someone in the UK or Australia could think the same thing. There is some negativity toward the 'Anglosphere' here.

For me, Taiwan is 'abroad', but Winston wasn't happy to be in Taiwan. He felt stuck. He felt like the people were soulless. Maybe he is happy being on vacation, feeling the thrill of experiencing new places, cultures, and people. But that wears off after a while when you settle in. You can feel the culture shock and being there seems like a downer. You may overcome that after so many months and settle in. But some people are just discontents.

I also wonder if some posters might have this negative philosophy toward work in their own country and just never really dug in and tried to excel in a career.

The US may, in general, be a bad cultural environment for prospective wives, but that doesn't mean some percentage of women can't make good wives. The same is probably true of other countries men complain about. Some men hear talk about how great Filipinas are, but then there are complains about how lousy Filipinas are. The glass can be half empty wherever you live.

[Space Invaders]

This forum can be a little extreme on the negativity. The thing is, whatever country a poster is from, he can say, "Women in my country are no good. My country is terrible. Working here is awful." And try to live in another country. That can appeal to men around the world, and since this is an English-speaking forum, probably mostly to men in western countries.

Someone in Canada could think this and set his sites on the UK or Australia, and someone in the UK or Australia could think the same thing. There is some negativity toward the 'Anglosphere' here.

For me, Taiwan is 'abroad', but Winston wasn't happy to be in Taiwan. He felt stuck. He felt like the people were soulless. Maybe he is happy being on vacation, feeling the thrill of experiencing new places, cultures, and people. But that wears off after a while when you settle in. You can feel the culture shock and being there seems like a downer. You may overcome that after so many months and settle in. But some people are just discontents.

I also wonder if some posters might have this negative philosophy toward work in their own country and just never really dug in and tried to excel in a career.

The US may, in general, be a bad cultural environment for prospective wives, but that doesn't mean some percentage of women can't make good wives. The same is probably true of other countries men complain about. Some men hear talk about how great Filipinas are, but then there are complains about how lousy Filipinas are. The glass can be half empty wherever you live.

Winston sees himself as an attractive and interesting man, when he is in fact neither. He is a 50 year old loser still financially dependent on his parents. Other people, especially women, see him for what he is and want nothing to do with him. The only place such a man can be happy is in a cheap third world brothel where attention can be BOUGHT.

My suggestion is to work really hard and try to achieve professional and financial success, and THEN look for happiness abroad. You will naturally attract higher value people because you are a higher value person yourself. Real recognizes real. Unfortunately, most people are always looking for shortcuts and don't want to put in the work.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I'm curious about posters here. Do you think that swallowing the 'happier abroad' version of the red pill messed up your life?

You come onto this site, then read about how American (British, Western etc.) women are so bad. You start to think of the women that way, stop pursuing relationships, never make it overseas, and end up alone?

You come onto this site and read how the US is a terrible place to live, work, and do business, and think you have to work overseas, but it doesn't work out to do so. You are so negative toward working in the US, that you never apply yourself to a career and end up poor without marketable job skills?

Has anything like this happened to you or a fellow poster you can think of?

First to address the general question:
Hmm, you described a theoretic male who is so easily swayed into believing US/UK/Western women are horrible, or that the US is horrible for life and career, etc, and then just saturates himself in those self-defeating beliefs and negativity, while also failing to even leave the country...

Don't you think that is a bit much to label all that bad-nastiness as supposedly representing the "Happier Abroad" philosophy?

Seems more reasonable to me to say the HA philosophy would just be a variation of "Go where you're treated best," and find another area and the rules/regs for how you can be an expat or naturalize there (or just visa hop about from country to country) that has the mixture of a dating, social, cultural, and/or economic environment you like.

No one's individual views about what areas they personally dislike need to influence everyone/anyone else, unless they already resonate.

I do notice there are a lot of people in this contemporary "manosphere" (especially the whiniest "men's rights" side of the thing, even though I acknowledge they have some valid complaints) who fall into the "negatoilet" trap you described and pretty much bend over backward to see every single thing in the most negative, defeatist way possible. But I don't see how HA's potential promise of how much happier such dissatisfied souls could be in a different country is likely to contribute to them being even more negative...

I think @Winston is probably right that he's actually saved the lives of some miserable men who are completely demoralized in the 'West' until the revelation of how much happier they could be overseas in some area that suits them.
I've never been this sort myself, but sounds like @publicduende was one of these cases if I read correctly.
(And here in this thread @Cornfed I see echoed that belief too, in a rare moment of apparent positivity! )

I won't lie, I do have a defeatist mentality these days, but I also don't make much of a habit to post it all the time either. Like I said in another post, I was planning to just stay away from here since I'm often negative a lot. I only came back because I felt like shitting on that French jew guy. Overall though, if the West really was all that bad. Then a bunch of Latino people wouldn't be desperately trying to move over here in such large numbers. They would just stay in those "nicer" Latin American countries around their "perfect" women that never reject them or mock them for being lonely. But no, I see a horde of these so called great Latinos willing to traffick their own children just to get over here to this garbage country. Some people say it's because of the "free" things they were all promised. But for what it's worth, I feel like I'm living in a completely different place but can't figure out anywhere else to go at this point. I would be bored in Asia and would probably turn full-blown gay if I was in Thailand or the Philippines since I'd be tempted to f**k with the transgenders just to avoid getting hurt by actual women. I have zero desire at all to live around negros so African nations is out. The only countries in Europe I can think of is Romania and Netherlands I thought about going to, but Netherlands I believe is kind of liberal. Don't know.

I honestly know my days of trying to find love and all that in the U.S. is over. Now I just try to work and help my mom, and help my brother. Traveling abroad would only benefit me if I could do it and not have to work overseas at all, just go and retire forever and live until my last final breath doing whatever there is to be done to enjoy what one of these places have to offer. But people need to also look at how things are changing today. None of these countries are going to stay how they is. Covoid already proved that. And if the whole NWO thing does become a reality, there are a handful of countries that want and will become part of that.

[Lucas88]

I'm curious about posters here. Do you think that swallowing the 'happier abroad' version of the red pill messed up your life?

You come onto this site, then read about how American (British, Western etc.) women are so bad. You start to think of the women that way, stop pursuing relationships, never make it overseas, and end up alone?

You come onto this site and read how the US is a terrible place to live, work, and do business, and think you have to work overseas, but it doesn't work out to do so. You are so negative toward working in the US, that you never apply yourself to a career and end up poor without marketable job skills?

Has anything like this happened to you or a fellow poster you can think of?

Not at all. I was already utterly miserable in the UK before I ever considered life abroad and long before I ever discovered this website and movement. As soon as I became an adult I realized that I hated everything about this place and intuited that I needed to move abroad to have a better life. I'd been studying Spanish for about a year and so I started to see expatriation as a real possibility.

In the UK I had almost no social life at all and didn't fit in anywhere. I was almost a complete loner and was excluded from most social circles due to my social awkwardness. And, to be honest, I came to accept my own social exclusion from British society because I never liked British people anyway (most British people are just total weirdos and their whole culture is alien to my soul), even though at the same time I craved foreign company. In the UK I preferred to avoid society due to a lack of suitable contacts. But one cannot live like that forever and remain psychologically healthy.

At the same time I was also dateless due to my social problems but I never liked British women anyway. I didn't like their racial features since I only liked exotic brown-skinned Latinas with big butts. I always found most British women to be on the uglier side. Even those few phenotypical outliers who were a bit more attractive never impressed me much either because I don't like the British culture to which they belong. Even if I could have had a British girl I wouldn't have wanted one. I only wanted a Latina -- a real one from Latin America, not one living in the UK and contaminated with British ugliness.

Once I started learning Spanish seriously I also realized how much I hate the sound of British English and how much I can't stand talking or listening to British people as a result. I actually find the way my native language sounds repulsive and perceive it to have a depressing effect on my mood. So naturally I was enthusiastic about leaving the UK and adopting a new linguistic identity in the form of Spanish. To this day I'm a fervent Hispanophile and Hispanic cultural chauvinist and overwhelmingly prefer Spanish over English. Hating one's native language -- that's an unconventional HA motive for some people (I know of a few other cases similar to mine).

Dig my heels in and work hard for what? The UK sucks. I never even wanted to go out and interact with people anyway! Only my desire to travel and live abroad ever motivated me to engage in gainful employment. Otherwise I would have just NEETed it up with my PlayStation console and The Fappening like the hordes of social dropout MGTOW men today!

The Happier Abroad lifestyle improved my life a lot. I went from being an incel and social misfit in the UK to having a decent social life and even a pair of girlfriends in Spain and Latin America. I actually began to live life for the first time. Leaving the UK and adopting the HA philosophy was the best thing I ever did!

The only thing I regret is having being born and raised in the UK. The country just never suited me and I always hated it.

[Lucas88]

They're coming because it's a wealthier country and for work or to get free stuff (welfare, food stamps, public housing, etc.). Latinos often talk about how they hate the culture of the U.S., hate gringos, and are extremely racist towards non Latinos. They claim their countries are so bad before they come here but once they arrive they proudly put the flags of their countries up everywhere but never put up a U.S. flag and talk about how oppressed they are by the U.S. Many of their neighborhoods are basically like living in a Latin American country with everything in Spanish, Hispanic flags everywhere and they refuse to even try to learn English or assimilate to the U.S. culture. Americanized Latinos are SJWs who talk about how they are discriminated against for being Latino despite being able to live in middle class and wealthy neighborhoods because of the opportunities the U.S. gave them. Other Americanized Latinos pretend to be black and say "nigga" all the time despite not living near black people and also talk about how they are oppressed just like black people were despite growing up in middle class neighborhoods of the U.S. and never facing any real discrimination and constantly accuse other people of being racist anytime they have an argument.

Exactly this. Foreigners who come to the US do so mostly for economic reasons, not because they like the country or its culture. That's why so many of them are happy to live in their own ghettos and turn them into their Little Mexicos and Little Havanas. They earn a modest paycheck in the US that is still better than what they were getting in their own country (most of them are from the lower socioeconomic strata) and then continue to live among their own as though they were still in their country of origin. They see the US simply as an opportunity.

There are numerous different HA motives:

Money - Some people from more economically deprived countries move to another country where they have better business and work opportunities. Those are the economic migrants.

Social life and romance - Others from antisocial and feministic countries move to another country where they have better social and relationship opportunities. Many of us fall into this category.

Ideology - Some people from countries with tyrannical regimes move to another country where they have more freedom of expression and are able to live as they desire. Those are the political asylum seekers.

Many different groups of people attempt the HA lifestyle: the economic migrants who come to the US, those of us who leave the Anglosphere in order to pursue friendship, relationships, sex and a more enjoyable pace of life abroad, and the political asylum seekers who wish to find a place where they can practice their own way of life without persecution. Our decisions depend upon our own individual needs and desires and what we value the most.

[WilliamSmith]

Well said in both posts above, @Lucas88.

On the negativity: A lot of us who end up in some situation where our own location is so f***ed we need to get out even at considerable expense and investment of time and energy, naturally aren't in the greatest mood at the time of the "breaking point" where we decide to make our escape. So finding an actual island of free speech like this where you can actually say what you actually think for the first time in a long while, at such a time = higher propensity for outbursts, rants, polemics, etc.

I'm actually OK with physical fitness, like American women (it admittedly helps if you like thicker women who are something less than virginal, LOL), and solid enough with self employment $$$ myself. Though everything I earn would certainly buy a whole lot more in some of my favorite overseas locations. Yet I'm in the group that wants to "get out of dodge" to get away from the country's growingly insane political environment (and cultural environment, when it comes to SJWs/globohomo/etc). Especially because I agree with the International Man crowd that has long been warning that the "Deep State" may eventually make it impossible to leave. They've already made renouncing US citizenship very costly, far moreso than in the past...

When it comes to avoiding negativity: Fortunately, I've seriously turned over a new leaf with my firm decision to go on a campaign to lay over 100 new women, and am in such a damn good mood now that I'm going to be like a ray of sunshine and macho positivity around here, at least compared with before.

[Lucas88]

And I am of the opinion, and I know this is controversial, but I feel a lot of men who "never scored" with Western women are just kind of... losers? Like I scored with Western women just fine. And abroad, same story. You wouldn't think of Western women as all being universally awful unless you felt scorned by them and, as a result, bitter. Hard to hate women if they provide you sex. Although you can still hate the CULTURE. As I did.

I don't think that it's fair to assume that men who never scored with Western women are losers. Some of those men might be but I personally don't think that most of them are. I know cases of guys who are intelligent and successful in most areas of life but still cannot get a woman in their native Western country. Sometimes there is some negative variable such as being on the autistic spectrum or some of them simply haven't learned the social know-how necessary to be attractive to women and are therefore lost when it comes to dating and interacting with the opposite sex. Moreover, certain Western countries such as the UK and the US are not the most fertile grounds for social interaction. If you're a guy on the autistic spectrum or with some other kind of social impairment you might not even be given a chance to practice social skills since those societies tend to automatically exclude people who are socially awkward or a bit different and this could result in further social stagnation. I was having this same conversation with a mutual friend of ours today actually.

This was very much my case and I don't consider myself a loser. I've always had certain gifted traits and pursued higher things but am also on the autistic spectrum and was for the most part unable to socialize in the UK. Most people found me strange. I was always a bit of a loner. And yes, I too was an incel who never scored with any Western woman. However, once I moved to Spain in my early 20s, within two months I was in my first long-term relationship with a highly educated Latina who was just finishing her master's degree at the University of Valencia. At the same time I also made plenty of friends who appreciated my good qualities and showed me a lot of affection. In light of this I came to realize that I was never the "weirdo" that people in the UK dismissed me as. Rather I was a normal person who could flourish socially if given the right opportunities and a suitable environment. Living in Spain was my first experience of a normal country. I'm of the view that the Anglosphere isn't a normal society and that a sizeable subset of people are simply unable to fit in there.

As for Western women, I'm not one of those guys who think that they are all universally awful. I simply recognize that girls from the UK are generally of lower quality in comparison to those of other countries and therefore have little interest in them. I'm not attracted to White women anyway since I only like Latinas and certain other types of dark-skinned women, but in my case my hatred of British culture is so extreme that I would never want to date anybody from that country, not even if hypothetically I found an individual British girl physically attractive. I'm a major Hispanophile and Anglophobe and find British culture just too alien for me to ever be able to accept. I only feel comfortable with Latin and Mediterranean cultures and only want to date women from those regions. I feel too uncomfortable around British females to want to sleep with them. British people are just too weird for my tastes. They just aren't my cup of tea!