America's BS that men and women should not need each other

[Winston]

America's pop psychologists and New Age self-help gurus all tell you that the best relationship is between two independent people who don't need each other and don't need other people. This kind of screwed up mentality has helped result in a 50 percent divorce rate in America. I've never understood it and I've never agreed with it either.

I don't agree with this American New Age theory because humans are not meant to be solitary creatures who don't need each other. They are meant to need others. Men and women are meant to need each other too, or else the human race would not continue. Not needing others is an unnatural goal. I don't know why America preaches it, but I strongly disagree with it. And it is definitely NOT true for me, which is why I don't fit into the fake American culture.

Pop psychology and New Age also falsely teach that cultivating your "self-esteem" will create happiness and make you need others. It's as if they assume that elevating your "self-esteem" will erase your need for love, romance, and other people. I don't understand where that comes from, but it is NOT TRUE.

"Self-esteem" as defined in America is mostly fake and artificial, and most importantly, will NOT replace my need for women, love, romance and sex. No way! WTF are these New Agers smoking?! That's crazy and nonsensical. It's one of the stupidest ideas that America has ever come up with. Clearly, America is "the land of self-delusion, bullshit and fakeness".

The concept of "self-esteem" is a fictitious invention of modern America, proven by the fact that other countries do not acknowledge its existence and neither has thousands of years of human history. Therefore, it must be a fake invention designed to compensate for American society's lack of human connection, loneliness, toxicity, and its "cold cruel world" that Americans tend to speak of.

In other countries, where there is natural healthy social connection, one obtains validation and acceptance from others, as well as moral support, so no artificial "self-esteem" is needed. That's the biggest secret that American pop psychology and New Age is not telling you.

What's worse is that the man-hating feminism in America has actually conditioned women to seek to cultivate their "self-esteem" rather than to need men. They've FALSELY assumed that "self-esteem" can replace a woman's needs for a man. It's the most F-ed up and destructive idea ever instilled into women, and a formula for disaster as well. Whoever invented this evil concept clearly wants the human race as we know it to end. Perhaps they have Transgenderism or Transhumanism in mind.

What's more is that these feminists actually expect men to follow suit and try to replace their need for a woman with so called "self-esteem". This explains why many of my American female friends have often told me to develop self-esteem rather than seek love, romance and female companionship, which is 100 percent false and useless advice. It's like some weird false religion they believe in that's unnatural and without basis.

Their weird logic is that if you stop needing women, then they will come to you and start to desire to be with you. But that is the stupidest assumption, backed by ZERO evidence. I've never experienced or observed anything that would support such a bizarre notion.

What these feminist women don't understand is that men cannot be programmed not to need women the way that women can be programmed not to need men. Men are more down-to-earth and straightforward. They are less likely to fall for such twisted brainwashing and are less manipulate-able than women are. Women are easier to manipulate by feminists because they go for what's popular and trendy rather than what's true and right. To most women, truth is determined by popularity and political correctness, rather than by reason, logic or evidence. That's why feminism doesn't work for men. This is what feminists overlook.

Thus, feminism cannot change the nature of men the way it changes the nature of women. As a result, feminism offers nothing for men except loneliness, rejection, invalidation, angry hateful corrupted women (aka "she beasts") and a lack of quality women. Clearly, feminism is the enemy of men and of the human race, as well as all that is natural.

Not surprisingly, women who are brainwashed with feminism look angry, hateful, rotten and spoiled. They do NOT look happy, joyful, wholesome or natural. This speaks volumes and corroborates what I've said here. After all, what do you expect from women who have subverted their own nature and crushed their own femininity?

Feminism is also 100 percent INCONSIDERATE of the needs of men in that it INVALIDATES a man's needs for a woman. Instead, it unrealistically expects men to not need women, which is not possible. This explains why you see so many sad, lonely, depressed men with hopeless looks on their faces walking around in America. Being totally invalidated, they are expected to accept their loneliness and not need women. It's horrible and cruel. There is no sympathy or understanding for men and their needs. Thus America is the WORST place for men, especially men who need women.

[Anatol]

Hello,

The answer for why articles like these {(written sometimes by males either demented and worshipping females or hating their own male-gender)} is so obvious ~ men require women much more than women require men ~ that's because the female requirement for {(3 letter word that starts with S)} is lesser than a male's. And this reason is why feminism is so dangerous ~ because articles like this reinforce 2 things ~

[~} It tortures men greatly because men require women.
[~} It encourages females to stay aloof of men because females can do that much easier than men can ~ then all the females have to do is sit back and watch while the men suffer.

I really hope all males start understanding this. A female is NOT your friend! She's a man's best friend as long as she's trained to be a man's best friend and meet his needs ~ when the women she becomes independent she becomes a male's extreme nightmare and total enemy.

[Temprano26]

Well, Winston, this is why 94% of men masturbate. You say there is no sexual outlet but that is about it - self-reliance. It doesn't change that I want to feel a woman's touch but damn does it keep me feeling sane for a while longer.

Before I went to Costa Rica, I really thought there was something wrong with me but when I got to Costa Rica suddenly good-looking females didn't act like they were too good for me. Humility is a foreign concept.

[Ghost]

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[Winston]

Have you all noticed something?

The people who tend to tell you that "you should not need other people or a woman" are usually:

-- Not your close friends, but acquaintances trying to shame you, or trying to raise themselves up by trying to sound more strong and independent than you are and giving you advice. Therefore they are not very understanding or supportive.

-- Hypocrites, because these people who say that will not go to a restaurant alone for fear of looking like a loser. Nor will they usually travel alone either because they are not comfortable traveling by themselves, so they'd rather stay home.

-- Not very down to earth, but kind of delusional in that they believe in a lot of New Age pop psychology BS. They listen to people like Wayne Dyer, who preach that people should not need others, but be happy alone, and that you can do anything without limits if you believe in yourself, blah blah.

Any of you notice these things about people who preach that?

Also, what's funny is that even though Americans like dogs more than they do other people, they will never tell a dog to stop being needy and to not need people. Nor will they expect a dog to not be needy and dependent. But they will expect other people to. Yet people, just like dogs, do need others. It's in the nature of humans to need others, just as it is in a dog's nature to need humans. Go figure. America has some very warped views.

[Bane]

Also, what's funny is that even though Americans like dogs more than they do other people, they will never tell a dog to stop being needy and to not need people. Nor will they expect a dog to not be needy and dependent. But they will expect other people to. Yet people, just like dogs, do need others. It's in the nature of humans to need others, just as it is in a dog's nature to need humans. Go figure. America has some very warped views.

I think in many ways, Americans (women in particular) have become a nation of cats, not needing or desiring others, only socializing when necessary (read: when trying to get something they want), and even then, we tend to socialize mostly in low bandwidth, non-intimate ways (i.e text.) I partially blame technology for the isolationism and Machiavellianism in our society, but mostly it is just due to shifting cultural expectations.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

Also, what's funny is that even though Americans like dogs more than they do other people, they will never tell a dog to stop being needy and to not need people. Nor will they expect a dog to not be needy and dependent. But they will expect other people to. Yet people, just like dogs, do need others. It's in the nature of humans to need others, just as it is in a dog's nature to need humans. Go figure. America has some very warped views.

I think in many ways, Americans (women in particular) have become a nation of cats, not needing or desiring others, only socializing when necessary (read: when trying to get something they want), and even then, we tend to socialize mostly in low bandwidth, non-intimate ways (i.e text.) I partially blame technology for the isolationism and Machiavellianism in our society, but mostly it is just due to shifting cultural expectations.

It's a country of solipsism. Chockful of drones, sheeple, & human cyborgs.

[mattyman]

On a closely-related note to this theme, there's the ide that if you need human companionship you're somehow weak. Also, if you complain about loneliness, instead of undesrstanding, a lot of people tend to just tell you to 'learn to love your own company'. Why this is the default setting is beyond me, but it's a perversion of nature nonetheless.

I don't agree with the whole not needing others/not needing validation from others idea. The philosophy behind it is that by not needing others it somehow makes you more attractive by making you less 'needy'. I personally think that this idea is taken WAY beyond a reasonable degree.

I have the following to say;

firstly, it's highly presumptous and disrespectful to suggest that someone's desperate if they are lonely or need companionship, or that expressing that need automatically gives someone the right to make such a presumption.

Secondly, it's natural if one's needs are not being met to start to wonder why, to wonder 'what's wrong with me'; and then to go drawing-up all sorts of theories that support the idea that you must be somehow inferior, not worthy of love, companionship etc. which is a conclusion that lonely individuals are highly vulnerable to making about themselves. Of course when your needs are met, you don't have to put-up with this.

What's particularly perverse is that the anglo-american system doesn't even acknowledge this very basic fact.

What's even more perverse is that if someone's confidence starts to suffer as a result THEY are blamed for it, based on the presumption that they are weak, without any empathy. If someone cames to me feeling lonely, wondering what's wrong with them, I will first try to find out why, what's missing; then reassure them that it's perfectly normal and it's understandable given the situation. Then I will maybe help them to challenge the any ideas they may have come to about being unlikeable. This seems like basic common sense to me, I don't know why people are oblivious to this.

I certainly won't suggest to someone that if their confidence has suffered, it's due to weakness on their part.

Lonely people need building-up, not putting down, shaming, criticizing or yelling at.
People who are lonely need those ideas and the whole 'what's wrong with me' stuff challenged, not backed-up by being shamed.

You're so right Winston, glad that you brought this up. That's what I like about this site, threads like this that challenge perverse modern ideas.

[Winston]

You're absolutely right Mattyman. I don't know why people don't get this. I guess they are:

1. Out of touch with reality.
2. Just trying to help you adjust to the "cold cruel world".
3. Trying to shame you and make themselves look stronger at the same time.
4. Conditioned to be cold and unfeeling, so that they will be more self-centered and care more about consumerism than human connection and companionship, which is really perverse and sick.

Either way, why don't you challenge people who tell you this to go to a restaurant alone and be the only one alone there, if they think that they don't need others? Or to go to a movie theater alone on a Saturday night when everyone there is with someone. Or travel alone? See what happens. lol

Btw, aren't you in the UK? I'm surprised people in England say those kind of things too. England is a much older country than the US, with roots going back to the Roman era. People there should be much more down-to-earth and old soul types, and less likely to say such fake stuff like that to you.

[RickyRetardo]

On a closely-related note to this theme, there's the ide that if you need human companionship you're somehow weak. Also, if you complain about loneliness, instead of undesrstanding, a lot of people tend to just tell you to 'learn to love your own company'. Why this is the default setting is beyond me, but it's a perversion of nature nonetheless.

I don't agree with the whole not needing others/not needing validation from others idea. The philosophy behind it is that by not needing others it somehow makes you more attractive by making you less 'needy'. I personally think that this idea is taken WAY beyond a reasonable degree.

I have the following to say;

firstly, it's highly presumptous and disrespectful to suggest that someone's desperate if they are lonely or need companionship, or that expressing that need automatically gives someone the right to make such a presumption.

Secondly, it's natural if one's needs are not being met to start to wonder why, to wonder 'what's wrong with me'; and then to go drawing-up all sorts of theories that support the idea that you must be somehow inferior, not worthy of love, companionship etc. which is a conclusion that lonely individuals are highly vulnerable to making about themselves. Of course when your needs are met, you don't have to put-up with this.

What's particularly perverse is that the anglo-american system doesn't even acknowledge this very basic fact.

What's even more perverse is that if someone's confidence starts to suffer as a result THEY are blamed for it, based on the presumption that they are weak, without any empathy. If someone cames to me feeling lonely, wondering what's wrong with them, I will first try to find out why, what's missing; then reassure them that it's perfectly normal and it's understandable given the situation. Then I will maybe help them to challenge the any ideas they may have come to about being unlikeable. This seems like basic common sense to me, I don't know why people are oblivious to this.

I certainly won't suggest to someone that if their confidence has suffered, it's due to weakness on their part.

Lonely people need building-up, not putting down, shaming, criticizing or yelling at.
People who are lonely need those ideas and the whole 'what's wrong with me' stuff challenged, not backed-up by being shamed.

You're so right Winston, glad that you brought this up. That's what I like about this site, threads like this that challenge perverse modern ideas.

Good post.

[Winston]

Look even the bible says that men need women:

Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

So not only does this American b.s. about men not needing women go against humanity nature and human history, but it goes against the bible as well.

America is clearly satanic and against all that is natural and normal. Nothing could be more satanic than that. Even Satanists are allowed in America.

We should return to the Inquisition for a while to purge America of such filth. The Inquisition may have killed and tortured innocent people but at least it stood for morals, values, principles and righteousness which America lacks today.

[FusionX20]

If we weren't at war with one another then there would be no such thing as feminism or MGTOW or any of that stuff, we'd all be happy families in relationships. I agree with you as well that it's not meant to be this way, but what can we do?

It's going to take a major crash economically or something to bring mankind together once again. I sometimes wonder if it's all biology or what not. Things are literally changing at the speed of light, the great depression began the decade of 2000s, especially after 9/11. I'd hope for things to be improving by now but it doesn't seem that way, eh? At least not socially and romantically, we live like robots now'days. Do not worry though Winston, b/c goodness will prevail once again.

[Anatol]

If we weren't at war with one another then there would be no such thing as feminism or MGTOW or any of that stuff, we'd all be happy families in relationships. I agree with you as well that it's not meant to be this way, but what can we do?

It's going to take a major crash economically or something to bring mankind together once again. I sometimes wonder if it's all biology or what not. Things are literally changing at the speed of light, the great depression began the decade of 2000s, especially after 9/11. I'd hope for things to be improving by now but it doesn't seem that way, eh? At least not socially and romantically, we live like robots now'days. Do not worry though Winston, b/c goodness will prevail once again.

Hello,

What is needed is a coalition of the following nations ~ Russia/China/India/Islamic nations vs. U.S.A./England/Canada/Europe/Australia ~ it will be anti-feminism versus feminism.

AND THE FEMINIST NATIONS WILL LOSE. I GUARANTEE THIS. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!