Arkian - A Eugenic Intentional Ethnicity

[fschmidt]

http://www.arkian.net/

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[galii]

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Is it possible to convince the Amish people for the Arkian idea?

In principle the Arkian idea reminds me of Calvinism.

Is being able to play Go a sign of intelligence? Many people had at least try to debunk that with chess like the one guy talking about IQ and Jews. He made the argument that people from Aserbaidchan are good at it but it does not seem to raise their IQ or help their economy. It seems it is the same case with Armenia.

The topic intelligence is weird. There was a talk about Jews in Israel and it seems they have not a high IQ there. Hard to tell the factors what makes one intelligent. I guess you need a lot of drive as well. IQ allone has no direction. It is hard to create drive. Specially with religion though maybe it is possible.

[fschmidt]

Is it possible to convince the Amish people for the Arkian idea?

No. The Amish are already effectively their own ethnicity. They don't need the Arkian idea.

I think the best bet are Muslims. I will also try Orthodox Christians and less strict Mennonite groups.

[galii]

Is it possible to convince the Amish people for the Arkian idea?

No. The Amish are already effectively their own ethnicity. They don't need the Arkian idea.

I think the best bet are Muslims. I will also try Orthodox Christians and less strict Mennonite groups.

Muslims seem to have the most anti intelligence outlook. So you have to make them do a 180 I guess. Which seems pretty difficult. They punish people hard who go against their psychotic goat religion. So even if you can create a group they will be fought like the Jews are fought I guess.


I edited my first post btw. and this too

Btw The Kuran is a very inconsistent book to say the least. You can not accept it if you read it with a bit of brain.

[galii]

Is there a correlation between religiosity and intelligence?

Over the past century, a remarkable body of research about the relationship of intelligence and religiosity has accumulated. So far, the majority of studies that investigated this relationship showed a negative correlation, indicating lower cognitive abilities of individuals reporting stronger religious beliefs.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... %20beliefs.

[galii]

But generally I would ask you to name one single area that has improved since 2010

They say AI is bigger than the Internet. I am shure there are many areas where there were great innovations as well. Just looking at Boston Dynamics Robots is quite convincing.

[fschmidt]

Is being able to play Go a sign of intelligence? Many people had at least try to debunk that with chess like the one guy talking about IQ and Jews. He made the argument that people from Aserbaidchan are good at it but it does not seem to raise their IQ or help their economy. It seems it is the same case with Armenia.

The topic intelligence is weird. There was a talk about Jews in Israel and it seems they have not a high IQ there. Hard to tell the factors what makes one intelligent. I guess you need a lot of drive as well. IQ allone has no direction. It is hard to create drive. Specially with religion though maybe it is possible.

I don't think the average IQ of the country means much since there is a big distribution in IQ within a country, which is my point. I do think that people of low intelligence can't play good Chess or Go.

Muslims seem to have the most anti intelligence outlook. So you have to make them do a 180 I guess. Which seems pretty difficult. They punish people hard who go against their psychotic goat religion. So even if you can create a group they will be fought like the Jews are fought I guess.

Btw The Kuran is a very inconsistent book to say the least. You can not accept it if you read it with a bit of brain.

The Quran has inconsistencies because each surah reflects the challenges that Muhammad faced at that time. As conditions changed, the surahs changed. Of course Muslims are generally too stupid to realize this, but the Quran does make sense when understood in the context of Muhammad's life.

There is a big variety in Muslims. Most are stupid but some are quite intelligent. I need to find the intelligent ones.

Is there a correlation between religiosity and intelligence?

Over the past century, a remarkable body of research about the relationship of intelligence and religiosity has accumulated. So far, the majority of studies that investigated this relationship showed a negative correlation, indicating lower cognitive abilities of individuals reporting stronger religious beliefs.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/artic ... %20beliefs.

This doesn't surprise me since modern religions are quite stupid. This wasn't always the case. For example Christianity used to be more reasonable, which is why Isaac Newton was Christian. Intelligent people are needed to reform religion, which is one thing that I hope the Arkian idea can help with.

But generally I would ask you to name one single area that has improved since 2010

They say AI is bigger than the Internet. I am shure there are many areas where there were great innovations as well. Just looking at Boston Dynamics Robots is quite convincing.

I haven't studied recent AI developments, but it seems reasonable that simply increasing processing power and refining neural network training techniques could produce these results. The core idea of neural networks is quite old.

Also, I think AI development is mostly harmful to humanity, so I am not sure that I would count this as an improvement.

[galii]

The Quran has inconsistencies because each surah reflects the challenges that Muhammad faced at that time. As conditions changed, the surahs changed. Of course Muslims are generally too stupid to realize this, but the Quran does make sense when understood in the context of Muhammad's life.

Did you search for critique of the Kuran. Do you know most of the arguments against the Kuran?

This wasn't always the case. For example Christianity used to be more reasonable, which is why Isaac Newton was Christian.

One could argue: At that time there was no other choice but once there was choice scientists became atheists.

Intelligent people are needed to reform religion, which is one thing that I hope the Arkian idea can help with.

How do you define religion? For example is Buddhism or Hinduism a religion. If so could you work with that?

What do you think of Leo Gura from www.actualized.com? Could you work with that?

ChatGPT about Leo Gura and Pantheism:

Leo Gura, the founder of Actualized.org, has expressed ideas that could be considered compatible with pantheism, although he does not necessarily identify as a pantheist. In his videos and writings, he discusses the idea that everything in the universe is interconnected and that there is a deep unity underlying all of existence. He has also discussed the idea that the universe may be viewed as a single, conscious entity.

[galii]

I haven't studied recent AI developments, but it seems reasonable that simply increading processing power and refining neural network training techniques could produce these results. The core idea of neural networks is quite old.

Also, I think AI development is mostly harmful to humanity, so I am not sure that I would count this as an improvement.

For comparison what innovations were there before 2010 that was legit in your opinion?

Btw how do you define intelligence?


Regarding playing go ChatGPT wrote:

can you be a good go player with low iq test scores?


Yes, it is possible to be a good go player even if you have low IQ test scores. As I mentioned earlier, intelligence is a complex and multifaceted trait, and IQ tests are not always an accurate measure of a person's cognitive abilities. While IQ tests can provide some insight into a person's problem-solving skills, they do not measure all of the factors that can influence a person's ability to play go, such as creativity, intuition, and perseverance.

In go, players must learn to recognize patterns, plan ahead, and anticipate their opponents' moves. These skills can be developed through practice, study, and experience, regardless of a person's IQ test scores. Many successful go players have achieved their success through years of practice and dedication, rather than natural talent or high IQ.

So, if you are interested in go, don't let low IQ test scores discourage you. With enough hard work and dedication, you can improve your skills and become a strong player.

[fschmidt]

Did you search for critique of the Kuran. Do you know most of the arguments against the Kuran?

The few critiques that I have seen are so bad that I didn't bother to look into this further. I have read the Quran twice and studied it at my local mosque. If you have any specific criticism, I can look into it.

One could argue: At that time there was no other choice but once there was choice scientists became atheists.

Atheism is quite old, common in many decaying cultures. Anyway, I don't see any way to factual way judge whether intelligent people would prefer intelligent religion or atheism. What I do know is that atheism is bad because it is correlated with cultural decline. So I would prefer intelligent religious people as Arkians.

How do you define religion? For example is Buddhism or Hinduism a religion. If so could you work with that?

Buddhism and Hinduism are religions. I don't know enough about Hinduism to judge it. I did study Buddhism and I think it isn't ideal for building strong cultures. If any Buddhists or Hindus actually express interest in becoming Arkian, I will listen to their arguments for their religion.

What do you think of Leo Gura from www.actualized.com? Could you work with that?

ChatGPT about Leo Gura and Pantheism:

Leo Gura, the founder of Actualized.org, has expressed ideas that could be considered compatible with pantheism, although he does not necessarily identify as a pantheist. In his videos and writings, he discusses the idea that everything in the universe is interconnected and that there is a deep unity underlying all of existence. He has also discussed the idea that the universe may be viewed as a single, conscious entity.

Your link is broken. Pantheism is a bad idea because it destroys the concept of cause and effect.

[galii]

Sorry for the wrong link:

https://www.actualized.org/forum/

[galii]

I mentioned earlier 'Pantheism'. What do you think of that? Can you work with that?

[galii]

Problems with the Quran general overview. Later one can go into the details.

Contradictions between verses: Critics have pointed out apparent contradictions between different verses of the Quran, such as discrepancies in the number of days it took to create the Earth.

Historical inaccuracies: Some critics have pointed out what they believe to be historical inaccuracies in the Quran, such as anachronisms in its portrayal of certain events and figures.

Scientific inaccuracies: Critics have argued that some verses in the Quran contradict established scientific knowledge, such as in its descriptions of the creation of the universe and the development of human beings.

Lack of context: Some critics argue that certain verses in the Quran lack sufficient context, making it difficult to understand their intended meaning.

Ambiguity and vagueness: Critics argue that certain verses in the Quran are vague or ambiguous, making it difficult to discern their intended application.

Issues with translation: Critics argue that some of the meaning and nuance of the original Arabic text has been lost in translation, leading to potential errors and misinterpretations.

Differences between versions: Some critics argue that there are differences between different versions of the Quran, which may suggest inconsistencies or errors in its transmission.

Literary style: Some critics argue that the Quran's literary style is inconsistent, with abrupt changes in tone and style between different verses.

The issue of abrogation: Critics have raised concerns about the concept of abrogation in the Quran, where some verses appear to cancel out others, leading to questions about the consistency and reliability of the text.

Alleged contradictions with other religious texts: Some critics argue that there are contradictions between the Quran and other religious texts, such as the Bible, leading to questions about its validity as a divine revelation.

The problem of evil: Some critics argue that the Quran's portrayal of God's actions and intentions creates logical contradictions with the existence of evil in the world.

Lack of empirical evidence: Critics argue that there is a lack of empirical evidence to support the Quran's claims, particularly regarding the existence and nature of God.

Incoherent theology: Some critics argue that the Quran's theology is incoherent, with different verses contradicting each other or presenting incompatible ideas.

Theological contradictions with other religions: Critics argue that there are theological contradictions between the Quran and other religions, leading to questions about its validity as a universal revelation.

Historical anachronisms: Some critics argue that the Quran contains anachronisms, such as references to technologies or cultural practices that did not exist at the time the Quran was revealed.

Ethical inconsistencies: Critics argue that there are inconsistencies in the Quran's ethical teachings, such as its treatment of non-Muslims or the role of women.

Claims of divine authorship: Critics argue that the Quran's claims of divine authorship are unfounded and lack sufficient evidence.

Logical fallacies: Some critics argue that the Quran contains logical fallacies, such as circular reasoning or false dilemmas.

Lack of originality: Critics argue that many of the Quran's ideas and stories are borrowed from other religious and cultural traditions, rather than being original revelations.

Difficulty in interpretation: Critics argue that the Quran is difficult to interpret, with multiple possible meanings and no clear criteria for determining the correct interpretation.

Theological paradoxes: Some critics argue that the Quran contains theological paradoxes, such as the idea of predestination conflicting with free will.

Inconsistencies with natural law: Critics argue that some of the Quran's teachings conflict with established natural laws, such as its teachings on miracles or supernatural events.

[galii]

Contradictions between verses:
In one verse, the Quran states that the Earth was created in six days (7:54), while in another verse it says that it was created in eight days (41:9-12).
In one verse, the Quran states that wine is forbidden (5:90), while in another verse it describes wine as a heavenly reward in paradise (47:15).
In one verse, the Quran says that Allah does not change his mind (10:64), while in another verse it states that he does change his mind (2:106).
Historical inaccuracies:
The Quran mentions the story of Pharaoh and the building of the pyramids (28:38), but the pyramids were built long before the time of Moses and the story of Pharaoh.
The Quran refers to Mary, the mother of Jesus, as the sister of Aaron (19:28), but Mary lived many centuries after Aaron.
The Quran states that Haman was one of Pharaoh's officials (28:6), but the name Haman was not used until many centuries later in Persia.
Scientific inaccuracies:
The Quran states that the Sun sets in a muddy spring (18:86), which contradicts our modern understanding of the Sun's position in relation to the Earth.
The Quran describes the Earth as flat (15:19, 20:53, 43:10), which is inconsistent with the spherical shape of the Earth.
The Quran states that semen comes from between the backbone and the ribs (86:6-7), which is not scientifically accurate.

[galii]

Lack of context:
In Surah 9:5, there is a verse that is often cited as a call to violence against non-Muslims, but it is argued that this verse lacks sufficient context as it was revealed during a specific historical context of a conflict between Muslims and polytheists in Arabia.
Surah 2:191 is another verse that is often cited as a call to violence, but again, the context of the verse is important to understand its intended meaning. The preceding verse states that Muslims are only allowed to fight in self-defense and against those who have expelled them from their homes or persecuted them because of their faith.
Surah 5:32 is a verse that is often quoted as evidence of Islam's condemnation of violence, but its meaning is not always clear without context. The verse states that whoever kills a person unjustly, it is as if he has killed all of mankind, and whoever saves a life, it is as if he has saved all of mankind. However, this verse is followed by exceptions for cases of murder or corruption in the land, which can be interpreted in different ways depending on context.
Ambiguity and vagueness:
Surah 2:187 contains a verse that prescribes sexual relations between spouses during the night of fasting in Ramadan. However, the verse is not entirely clear about whether this activity is allowed only after breaking the fast at sunset or during the entire night until the next day's fast begins. This has led to some confusion and disagreement among Muslim scholars and communities.
Surah 4:34 contains a verse that allows for physical discipline of wives in cases of disobedience. However, the verse is vague about the extent and nature of this discipline, leading to different interpretations and practices among Muslim communities.
Surah 17:1 contains a verse that describes the Prophet Muhammad's journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and then to the heavens, but the details of this journey are not fully explained, leading to different interpretations and debates among Muslim scholars and communities.
Issues with translation:
Surah 4:34 is a verse that is often cited as permitting physical discipline of wives, but its translation and interpretation can vary depending on the specific words used. For example, some translations use the word "beat," while others use "strike" or "separate." This has led to different understandings and practices among Muslim communities.
Surah 3:7 contains a verse that states that some verses in the Quran are allegorical and can be interpreted in different ways, but its translation and interpretation can also vary. Some translations use the word "allegorical," while others use "figurative" or "ambiguous," leading to different understandings of the nature and meaning of these verses.
Surah 2:191 contains a verse that allows for fighting in self-defense, but the translation and interpretation of this verse can also vary depending on the specific words used. For example, some translations use the word "fight," while others use "strive" or "resist." This has led to different understandings and practices among Muslim communities.