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Long time no see guys!
After dealing with some stuff for a couple of years I finally made my way to the Philippines. I did this firstly because I need to get some major dental work done. At first I was considering going to Tijuana, Mexico to get it done since I live in California but after doing some research I narrowed it down to 3 places: Thailand, the Philippines, and India. I crossed out India because on the side I know I wasn't going to get anything going with a Indian woman since I'm mixed (Mostly black with some native american blood). I really wanted to go with Thailand but I vape and Thailand banned vaping there. That left the Philippines and I had heard Angeles city was decent.
I left on May 23 and stayed for 29 days. I left from northern California and passed transferred in South Korea then finally arrived in Manila. I then took a Taxi at discount right away after I landed to Angeles city where I was to get my Dental work done. While I was there getting my Dental work done I mostly ate out and sometimes went to bars. Angeles city was ok to me and I could see why other guys might like it but I didn't really like the whole bar scene. I tried it like 3-4 times and just wasn't into it though there were some good girls to pick from. I learned later on though to just avoid the more brand name clubs after a had a experience with a woman from I think it was Club Atlantis. The bigger brand name ones have a higher number of quality women but they seem to have bad attitudes. In that they might try to get a tip out of you along with the bar fine. I found that it was better to go to the smaller bars and pick some of the few good looking women they have there. Cheaper bar fine and the woman doesn't usually ask for a tip afterwards (usually with these I might tip them anyway) and also I found they are more likely to stay the night with you than make some excuse afterwards to leave early. I also read from many guys who had been there that many of the larger bars had started to get greedy and started raising their bar fines to ridiculous levels. Even though the bars/clubs wasn't my thing I did have a very good experience with the last woman I had who came from one of the smaller bars I had visited before.
She acted very affectionate and motherly in someways. She was also playful to an extent and had energy to her. The sex was decent but it was more the experience and chemistry that I really felt with her. This was on my last night there in Angeles. Anyway, one other thing I should mention is while I was there I kept on getting filipinas eyeing me sometimes which I was totally not use to. Your not use to women signaling such interest in the states. This kind of improved my confidence and made me believe I really was the prize for women while there. It also helped that a lot of the foreigners I saw there were old retired, fat guys in their 50s with their 20 something filipina girlfriends. Made me think that if they could catch such woman I could certainly do so with being much younger and in good shape. I also should mention there was another thing that happened that was of interest and made me realize things were different here. I had recently changed to wearing Green colored contacts instead of glasses. There was this one woman, probably a cute 19 year old, who worked at this 24 hour restaurant/bar that I frequented. She didn't really pay attention to me until the last day I went in there with my contacts on and she took my order while constantly staring at me (even though I told her they were contacts). She sat down a few seats down from me since it wasn't busy and I noticed she kept on staring at me. She eventually worked up the courage to come to me and start asking me questions about myself while constantly staring and smiling. Totally different from back home. I didn't take it anywhere but I felt like I could have easily done so. I had a similar experience with a waitress in Manila though this one wasn't as confidant and she was clearly more shy and timid.
When my dental was done, which saved me a boatload of money since it would have cost easily 6-8k in the US but only cost about 2.4k here, I went right back to Manila. By this time I had narrowed my online women down to 1 because I was going to go to Cebu for another woman but I felt like she was too immature, was playing games, and felt like she was using me to just travel around. Oh my word, the woman I met in Manila who is now my girlfriend totally seemed too good to be true. She wasn't the best looking, she looked more cute than anything but her personality and her characteristics were good. She was very loving, caring, affectionate and had a high sex drive (which did get annoying sometimes). She basically followed my lead on everything and did what I wanted to do mostly though she was only demanding in the area of affection. After that I just spent of the rest of my trip in Manila most with her on her time off or after she was finished with her job. Was really good and felt great to have a woman who was very honest, open and loved showing how much she loved her man. She literally cried when I had brought of the subject that I would be leaving soon. She said I had better comeback lol. Also, she was the one that first admit in one of her discussions that she liked me which I wasn't used to either being from the US.
In the end that trip was eye opening and it made me realize even more that I don't want to be here in the US for much longer and that I rather travel throughout SEA. The only thing the US is good for is probably making money that you could use to invest in SEA. The US is complete shit socially and most of the women have garbage , entitled personalities, even the ones that aren't that good looking and even the escorts have these horrible personalities to them when they are suppose to be servicing you. Honestly, after this trip I'm basically done with the US and can't wait til I finish my IT management degree online then able to teach English in SEA and travel a bit. Also, American women are basically dead to me now. All those years where I felt like I had to be some personal entertainer to get some girl and then in the end she either just tried to use me as some orbiter or just flat out rejected me for some badboy who was going to treat her like shit anyway. Meh, that's fine and all maginas who want to keep worshiping these women can keep doing so. I've seen much better green pastures elsewhere. Ugh, not to mention when I got back I noticed just how the atmostphere seemed to be different. I noticed the whole Americans being rude to each other for the dumbest reasons and people generally treating each other like shit just to feel better about their own lousy existence. Can't wait til I'm out of this place for good.
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These are the kinds of posts that keep me coming back to this website. Is Manila more expensive than angeles city? Could you talk about prices for food and lodging? Do you think a single guy could have a decent quality of life in Manila for 1k a month?
I’m worried about the pollution over there. How did you find the air quality? Was it better or worse than LA? Thanks.
Cost of living in the Philippines.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/c ... hilippines
Manila is highly polluted and Angeles City isn't the sort of the place you'd want to make friends in.
Yeah, in general Manila is more expensive than Angeles but it might be higher quality depending on where you are at and what you are talking about. Hmm as far as prices food wasn't that bad. It was a little higher for me because even though I'm have a more slim atheletic build I have a high metabolism so I can eat quite a bit. I'm pretty sure you can get a decently sized meal for like 10 bucks or so. Though I usually spent about 20 bucks when I went out because I ate a good amount though even then there would still be some left overs since they really do give you good quantity for the amount of money you give them. Honestly, for 1k a month you would basically have to live like the locals live. If you want a decently good quality experience I would say 2k per month would be better at least. Gives you more spending money to enjoy life with.
For Air quality I would say I had heard much before I went but didn't experience much pollution. I think it highly depends on where you are at in Manila. I saw plenty of pollution in the air from afar from the view at my apartment but wasn't really near it much. I was staying at a Luxury apartment at Jazz Residencies in the Makati part of Manila. That is more more upscale, "wealthy" (by their standards) part of Manila so I didn't have to deal with pollution as much. Though I will say, the heat will kill you and you will want to stay in an air conditioned place most of the time. I'm one of those people who if something is reasonably within walking distance (15-20mins for me) I rather walk than drive there. In anywhere in the Philippines I feel like this is not feasible. Its just too darn humid and hot most of the time. Even when it is typhoon season it feels too hot and humid.
Zambales would be right about Angeles city. You can probably make friends with fellow foreigners there but locals I would be very hesistant about. I ran into a lot more people trying to con me, sale me stuff, or keep annoying me for money all the time in Angeles city though it went way down after I just decided to just ignore them. At first I would just acknowledge them and say "no" but real quickly I learned to just not even acknowledge them at all, pretend they don't exist and just keep walking. If you acknowledge them they will just keep bothering you. It kind of just eggs them on.
To clarify I would say making friends with most foreigners in Angeles would be decent but there are some I would even stay away from. That place seems to change some guys and not for the better I might add. I remember one time I was sitting at that 24hr restaurant/bar I was talking about. There was this older, tall black guy a couple of seats down from me who was talking/flirting with I assume was his much younger filipina girlfriend. After a while this shorter and little over weight white guy walks into the bar. I would say he would look like some guy who you would find working in the tech industry in Silicon valley. He sits between where I'm at and the lady is, right next to her in fact. After just a few mins he starts trying to say "hi" to her and trying to get her attention. To her credit I think she said "Hi" once then quickly ignored him, though he did try a second time to get her attention. The whole time I'm thinking, "Dude your being a total dick trying to still this other guys girl right in front of him". Some guys kind of change here in this way. They normally wouldn't get woman back home, come here and find they can easily get a lot of available women. Thing is even though they can get mostly any women they want and there is no shortage of women they decided to start just going after other girls who are taken already by other foreigners. The sad part was even though this girl was relatively decent (probably a 7 out of 10) she defintely wasn't worth being fought over or being a dick by trying to steal her right underneath the boyfriend's nose. To the older guys credit he didn't make a scene. He also just ignored the guy and pretended like he wasn't even there.
So, I would say most foreigners are ok or even good to make friends with but just be wary of some of them. Also, if you decided on Angeles I would say definitely stay relatively more close to the red light district which seems to be the more "wealthy" side of town where most of the foreigners are. I would never choose to live on the other half of the town which just seems to be horrible in a financial sense.
You sound like something from Star Wars. lol. So you were just in Angeles and Manila? Why didn't you contact me and Rock for a meetup? Publicduende and Billy are in this area too. Maybe you didn't have time?
Yes I agree with you about Angeles. The big bars are a bit intimidating and too commercialized and make you feel like cattle. But the smaller bars can be more intimate with girls that have a better attitude and lower prices too. That's my experience as well. I've been going to Angeles since 2007. Yes I know what you mean about how when you find a good girl that likes you somewhat, it makes you feel GOOD. It's a priceless feeling that you can't get in the US. And you have to experience it to know what I mean. @WorldTraveler was just there as well. He can vouch for all this too.
We also have a similar background. I'm from Northern CA too. It has great weather but the vibe sucks the worst. People are so toxic and unfriendly and fake. It makes you feel like shit, that you don't even like to go out, because the people just give you bad vibes and it makes you feel like a loser, because there's no true friendliness. Outside of CA when you go to other states you notice people are more relaxed and down to earth. But the contrast between going abroad and CA is the biggest. So HA is the most dramatic when you're from CA or the west coast.
Btw, which dentist office did you go to? Would you recommend it? How did you find it?
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Yeah, I accidently forgot you guys were over there. I believe I first joined this site when some of the guys you mentioned hadn't even made the move over there yet. I then took a break for a while and didn't visit the site for quite a while. I did remember it when I was deciding between those 3 countries to go to. It was partly some of your guys opinions when I came back to the site that made me choose the Philippines for my destination since it seemed like it still was a relatively still a good place for women. Obviously being mixed I wouldn't have gotten a good response from Indian women in India if I went there (even though I like the way some of them look). Also I had heard Thailand is good for bar fun and maybe getting a girlfriend but if you wanted anything even more (like getting a wife) I heard Thai women don't make good wives at all. So, I only read a bit up on the site again before my trip and totally forgot you guys were currently over there now.
As for the bar thing yes, I totally agreed. I had went to Club Atlantis once and even though the woman I got coming onto me was very hot, I believe her name was Ana, I didn't like her attitude towards the end. She tried to get a very bad attitude about me giving her a tip afterwards even though during the sex she kind made me slow down claiming about me being too "big" which is funny because my current girlfriend over there has high sex drive and shes only 4'11. She has not complained once at all. She also made the excuse about having to leave early therefore not staying the entire night. After read up a bit I heard a lot of guys from there said they don't go to the same places that were very popular a few years ago because they have gotten greedy, started raising prices, and sometimes the clubs now act shitty towards their customers. I believe this is the same phenomon that happens to some corporations. They get really big then they start forgetting about the customers that made them get to that point and stop giving a damn about them. I believe the Bar fine I paid at Club Atlantis was 3,500 pesos. If I remember correctly that is close to the same amount you would pay on Average in Manila.
Later on I went to Eruption which is a much smaller bar which had a fewer selection of women and most not as high quality as the big bars but there were always a few that were good. Theirs was only 2,000 pesos. That's where I met the last chick I was talking about who actually stayed til the next morning. There was one woman I tried there before that that didn't stay til the next morning, said something about taking care of her child, though I still liked her to a degree. She had a very good attitude and even though she was a older woman she had very light skin, looked relatively decent and her body was great for a older woman.
As for California, I totally agree with you. I didn't like this place before and was deciding on which state to move to after this (as a base of operations as it were that I could return to if I needed to in the US) but even more so after this trip I'm highly considering just finding someway after a while to be more financially independent, get a passive income and eventually maybe start buying some property over there. The fact that for once in a long time I able to feel like being myself, not putting on a mask, and actually really enjoying life that really just showed me how f***ed up the US is overall socially. People are so fake and the woman are just horrible with their entitled attitudes. I also just got tired of the rudeness, sure I think in the Philippines there are some people who are rude but its nothing like on the level of the US. In the US its like people will be plain assholes for no reason to you and if they have power over you in someway they will use that to abuse the shit out of you just to make themselves feel better. I find that funny because I find the same people who complain about elites abusing their power over the population also turn around the treat their neighbors and fellow people like shit. They obviously don't see the contradiction. I noticed this just even as I landed back in the US with security guards treating people like shit and being short tempered. In the Philippines I interacted with many security guards and I only ever ran into one that I thought was annoying and acted rude (took his job way too seriously).
For the dental thing I found out about the whole dental thing on a site called Dental departures:
https://www.dentaldepartures.com/dentis ... -pampanga/
That's the site and the the dental office I went to. It was on that site I was able to look at and compare different dental prices in different countries when I was trying to make a decision on where to go. That's how I decided on going to Angeles city because dental was very cheaper there (compared to Manila) and I had heard Angeles city was good for women. I think another site said it was the Las Vegas of the Philippines (Granted, not as good looking though). Like I said before hand though, I was very keen on Thailand but due to the vaping ban and Thai girls only being good for being girlfriends I decided not to. The only positives would have been that the Thai women, aesthetically look better in my opinion than "most" filipinas. Oh, and for that dental office I would highly recommend them. The main dentist is this older lady who gives off a grand motherly type feel. The only thing I would not recommend them for is if you need a surgical extraction. They only have local anesthesia so they will only numb it up with a lot of that then pull it out instead of being able to put you under during the whole thing. It will hurt like hell even pumped full of local anesthesia.
In the end I'm very glad I went and can't wait to get permanently out of the US. I'm already formulating plans on how to achieve that and will be enacting it soon. I was also lucky in that the current girl I'm with from over there is Bi and would actually be interested in trying a threesome at least once. Though after experience that place I would like to have a LTR or even get married but would like to have women on the side or even have some join the relationship (I'm more of a poly type of guy, with multiple women but no extra men). Eh, I've slowly started to introduce and talk about the concept with my girl friend though she at this point only wants to try a threesome type thing for right now but if we ever got married she would want to stop such things. Though she has said I'm starting to convince her about such things. The only thing that seems to keep her from it is the fear that I might end up liking any other girl in the relationship more than her and eventually just leave her totally (which wouldn't happen). Eh, I think I can turn her around though because quote honestly experiencing all that then just having one woman, no matter how attach to her I am or how high her sex drive is seems kind of boring to me. We shall see what happens though.
I've heard Winston and others extol the affordability of "happier abroad" living, but I didn't find that to be the case when I visited Mexico. At 2K per month, the Philippines isn't really "cheap" either. Heck, plenty of cities in America would be more affordable (provided I don't have a mortgage). Much better to live in a first world country.
I dunno..if you're a young guy, reasonably attractive, employed-I think you'd be better off just staying in the States and working on your career and your money. Plenty of beautiful young women here in Chicago. A lot of pretty white girls in the Midwestern states of Nebraska, and the Dakotas. They were nice, too. Maybe if you worked on your Tinder game a little bit and moved to a different state, you would have more success in the dating department?
It seems to me that if you're an old guy (over 40) and flush with cash (at least a couple hundred K principal and plus 2K in passive income), moving abroad makes sense because you just can't get laid in the country live in. Otherwise, you're better off just staying put where you are.
Eh, it is very possible with what I plan on doing. I have been educating myself and have looked into potentially buying a few businesses (Restaurants, hotels, etc) over there. I have looked into the financial data on said businesses. They seem good (Though I would still need to look at them in person of course) and I would even be able to afford buying such businesses with the job I most likely am going to be getting relatively soon. By my estimates I would be able to buy them, make a combined 100k in earnings within probably 2 years time, and have someone primarily running them in my stead with me just making major decisions and signing off on stuff. With that type of income (and I do plan on reinvesting that til I sit at a good 500k per year) I could easily just sit back in the US and live pretty darn well and have some pretty white girls as girlfriends easily.
The thing is though I'm not sure I would like that all that much. Like I said its true that I would easily be able with that amount of money to attract all manner of aesthetically pleasing white women (or any ethnic group for that matter) but the thing is I don't want to deal with their shitty attitudes. All women are going to annoy a man with their illogicalness to a degree but that's what matters to what degree. From what I gather while in the Philippines filipinas, anyone with more experience that lives in the Philippines can correct me if I'm wrong, seem to only do things that slightly annoy or are minor annoyances to the man their with for the most part (obviously theres exceptions to the rule even in the Philippines) while in America the girls will still act bitchy/entitled with a guy who is a very good catch (really wealthy). I've seen/read about really wealthy guys who have girlfriends/wives that are still really bitchy or try to usurp the guys authority at every turn on decisions because she wants to show the guy that he has no power over her or that she has the power in the relationship. This is despite, especially if she is just a girlfriend, that the guy could next her at any time and she loses access to his resources.
So, I get a white girl who is good looking then she starts crossing that line. I next her and move on to the next one but how many times am I have to keep on doing that? From what I've seen its going to be quite a few times. It seems with American woman they have just been indoctrinated to see their partner as some competitor at every turn and they need to eventually put him in his place or try to unreasonably control him even if she loses out on a lot of benefits in the end. For me I just don't want to deal with that nonsense over and over. I'm ok with very tolerable and managable annoyances that don't threaten the relationship. Even though as I said I probably wouldn't be ok with just one woman but it would be nice to at least have a stable relationship with a few .I don't see that being very feasible in the US honestly.On top of that I just don't want to stay in the states with people and their shitty attitudes in general and their propensity for being rude for no good reason. Sure, that would change once people find out your wealthy and they try to act buddy, buddy with you but that would just annoy me further.
Another thing since you mentioned Tinder I had been on Tinder in the US and tried several different things and never got good responses.. ever. I would always be the one doing all the work and try to keep conversation going. A lot of them just seemed like they were on Tinder to maybe f**k the top 20% of guys and the rest were just there to give them attention and an ego boost. When I tried Tinder on my phone in the Philippines I didn't do barely anything and I was getting matches right and left (some girls decent looking and some others not as much). It was effortless on my part and I could have easily continued to push those relationships if I wanted to. I got more matches there in a couple of hours then I did in years of being in the US. Why would I "work harder when I could work smarter"? Not to mention get girls of all sorts of shades of skin and body types in the Philippines with way less effort than I do in the US? Sure, if I signal that I had wealth in my Tinder Profile I could do just as well in the US but why bother?
Heck, I'm pretty sure if I had "f**k you money" and said straight up, and blatantly, on my profile in the Philippines that I was looking for several women to be my mistresses and laid down the "rules" most filipinas would definitely know their place and not try to cross those lines. A american chick? She might do well at first but sooner or later she would definitely feel the compulsion from her indoctrination to have to cross those lines to see if she can get away with it. Add onto that all the "#metoo" BS going on in the US and the extremely gynocentric laws, you can count me out of that insanity. Some guys can tolerate all that BS, good for them but I have no tolerance for that crap.
Lastly, I see this as a good business decision. I'm sure many know here, since there seems to be some economic literate people here, that the US federal reserve has been print money like crazy since the early 2000s. This is definitely not sustainable. You can't keep breaking the laws of economics and think they won't come back to bite you in the ass sooner or later. If doesn't matter how powerful a nation you are. You are subject to basic economic laws like your are subjected to the laws of gravity. Sooner, or "later" for that matter, the US dollar is going to tank its just a question of when. If that happens in my life time it would be nice to be diversified from the impact of that and I might actually end up benefiting greatly. If I still have my US citizenship I could easily buy stocks for cents on the dollar and make out like a f***ing baron once major corporations moved their headquaters out of the US if that happened. Just seems like good business to me.
You raise a lot of good points. Well, good luck to you then.
I am in total agreement with this quote. I was on Tinder in Texas and found the same results. I have stopped dating American women at all. I have now started talking to some women in the Philippines and the results are amazing compared to America and Texas. I am a retired Army Colonel and a master fitness trainer, and I am financially well off. I should have switched to the Philippines years ago. I plan to get into good texting and skype with several of these women, and then take a trip to the Philippines to see them. I will keep you posted from Texas.
Thanks for the input. I'm similar in that even though I wasn't as high ranked and in the army I was actually in the navy before and worked in the IT rating. Funny that you mentioned Texas because when I went there for a few months I tried Tinder as well. Same fricken results. Would do a whole bunch of work and trying to be funny and all that nonsense to keep the woman interested with nothing to show for it. There was one time I thought I was getting close but it was the typical she wanted to talk on Tinder, supposedly for the ego boost, but when it time to meet up in person she made every excuse in the world to not meet up. She even started giving attitude when I kept on coming up with different alternatives out of no where. I find it funny when american women say all the time in their profiles they aren't there to play games (usually when their sexual market value has plumetted and they are starting to hit "the wall") then they proceed to play games. I'm just sick of all those "games" and the double standards. I even hate how people in American refer to the "dating game". I despise it because the underlying assumption is that there is something ok with playing some game dealing with other people's emotions. It trivializes them if you think about it.
On that fact I do have some ideas as to why it might be different there. Yes, I do think some of the difference behavior between American women and filipinas is cultural but I think a lot of it simple "reward/punishment" and incentives. In America women aren't just not pushed for their bad behavior they are a lot of the time rewarded for it. Woman wants a divorce for a frivolous reason (is bored of the marriage, etc) ? She wins cash and prizes in the bias and feminized divorce courts more likely than not. Girlfriend accuses her boyfriend of rape or sexual assault without real evidence? A lot of the time the guy is assumed guilty without any real evidence and even if by some miracle its found out the woman lied she facing no repercussions most of the time for filing a false report. Actually it was found out that by the FBI I believe that a good chunk of rape cases are found to be unfounded and are usually reported during a divorce (when a woman is couched by her lawyer to come up with any forms of abuse in the past even though they may be unfounded) or at the end of a regular boyfriend/girlfriend relationship when the woman is bitter about everything. You also have a bunch of manginas running around willing to help out a woman or console her when she makes obvious bad decisions.
Another thing is that there is no government coming to save the woman in the Philippines. No divorce so she can't just win cash and prizes. Also, from my understand good luck trying to get child support as well. Basically, if the woman pisses off the guy enough or does something really harmful to the relationship the guy can just up and leave and all his resources that he brings to the relationship goes with him. So its in her best interest to make sure her man is happy, well fed, and well f***ed as it were. Even then, as I hear it concerns the local men, even that's not a guarantee that the guy won't up and leave for a "newer model" as it were. I'm sure there's plenty of things wrong with the Philippines , that I've seen myself, but one thing they got right is you don't reward people in general for bad behavior (though politicians might exempt from this over there since they have f**k you money and influence). This is a major thing the US really drop the ball on. It also worries me if the Philippines ever did become a more prosperous nation. From what I've seen with other nations I've studied is that things like feminism only seem to start pop up once a nation starts becoming more wealthy.
Your experiences are similar to mine. One day, back in 2009, I decided to go to Thailand with my parents to see what it was like in Asia. We had a great time--and after coming back to the States--I noticed what you mentioned: the pettiness and meanness of Americans', the cultural decline and the horrible people there.
I'm Asian American, and have gone back to S. Korea a few times--and every time I went back, I liked it more than the U.S. or England. (Both places where I lived and despised being at). The first time I went back was in 1989, and I was shocked by how much I felt at home there, even though my Korean at that time was pretty much non-existent.
Over the years, as I got more and more depressed about America--and Western culture in general--I decided going abroad would be my salvation. I had to plan for it, though, such as getting my bachelors degree and saving some money every year for the eventual move.
I, think, in the end, it takes action more than words to go abroad. There are always naysayers and people who just want to be negative all the time about your plans, but ignore them and just continue on with your dreams.
Thanks for replying Zboy1, and you articulated it the way I hadn't. Most Americans seem to be so mean and petty, especially in the large cities, for the most simplest of reasons. Its even gotten to the point where even lowest of society, the escorts and poorer people for example, act this way. Heck, this seems to infect people here regardless of group. For example, for a few months before I came back to the forum and made this trip I decided to look up and hang out , in a major discord server, with a bunch of MGTOWS to see what that movement was about and to see if it had any validity. Mind you I did this research for months so it wasn't like I just hangout and studied their material for a short time and came to a hasty conclusion. Though a lot of what they said as far as the the western world being to gynocentric and females in those countries having bad attitudes is true I noticed too much of the same problem I saw with feminist for example which I know they hate being compared to them but I noticed too much of the same behaviors. They say they aren't against women and the movement is about helping guys become self actualized and try to become self efficient. That wasn't what I experience most of the time hanging out with them and seeing various MGTOW content. What I experienced on the daily with these guys. Most of the guys seemed to be stuck in their lives and spent all their time on that discord server , or on the comment section of different MGTOW content, complaining about women and how they were f***ing up western society. I'm sorry but how is that any different than feminist spaces that complain everyday about how men are f***ing up western society and the need to fight the "partriarchy"?
I would say I barely saw any talk about becoming self actualized like they said they are all about. Self actualization talk was probably only about 10-20% of the content I encountered daily and this was from a major MGTOW guy who probably talked about it the most out of all the content creators. Also, I noticed that the idea of moving to another country for a better life seemed to only be mentioned a handful of times and of course every time it was mentioned with caveats. Basically the whole, "well they might turn into the same thing the US is in a couple of years", "All women are the same everywhere", or "whats the point in dealing with women anywhere they are all going to annoy you anyway". Its almost like Winston said at one point, People in the west, the US in particular, think the west = the rest of the world. They totally don't see that culture is a major influence and influences people differently. This is all despite that even there have been studies done that show when western guys bring their wives back to their country, which I wouldn't do myself, that the divorce rate for those couples is in the 20% range. This is way lower than the 50% range of divorce for local marriages.
I have found that the Happier abroad message seems to be a lot better for men and conducive to their growth. Don't like here, find a place where you will be a lot more happier and along the way make yourself financially secure. Sure on this board we talk about the problems with Western society, especially the women, but at the same time there seems to be a lot more talk about what to do about it and actual solutions for each individual guy. I mean we have many guys on this forum who are looking around and making trips to different places to see which place is good for them and see what kind of women they can find for a more fulfilling dating and marriage life if that is what they are after. Many have already made the move and seem to be more happier because of it.
Also, thanks for the encouragement. I plan on doing the same. Currently I will be getting a job which pay will allow me to travel outside the US a lot more frequently and during that time I will be finishing up within a year a online degree in IT management. I might go for a MBA in international business as well which would allow me to probably get a regional management job in another country with an international business. We shall see though if I go that far. Either way I will be moving out of the US as soon as possible. Also, I know what you mean about South Korea. I had layovers there multiple times and I found the people to be a lot more generous and courteous than the people in the US. I had one South Korean guy share his snacks with me on the air flight back to the US. He shared it with me, a complete stranger and that isn't the first time something like that has happened. Anyway, thanks for your input and I really appreciate it.
This is totally false and makes no sense. You do not need 2k USD per month to live in the Philippines. No way. That would be a dream income for most Filipinos. In a country where 60 percent are unemployed and live on ZERO income, one can certainly live on a lot less than that. So your numbers are way off. I lived in Angeles City for years on $400 a month just fine. Never ever starved.
Age has little to do with it. Some people aren't meant to be in the US. You are falsely assuming that all average young people have no problem getting dates in America. Not so. Even when I was young, I couldn't get any decent dates at all. Every girl I met on AOL blew me off. Just for the heck of it. If anything, getting older meant I had more experience with women and more understanding and more charm too. And more confidence as well. So we men usually get better at handling women with age. Much better than young men do. Sure some young men get girls in the US, but that's their destiny. They can't just go out and get girls anytime they want, if they don't have a girl. No way jose. So when you lose a girl in the US you can't just go out and get another one, like buying another car from the dealer. No way. If it doesn't happen, then it doesn't happen. That's it. You can't make it happen.
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"Even when I was young, I couldn't get any decent dates at all. Every girl I met on AOL blew me off. Just for the heck of it. If anything, getting older meant I had more experience with women and more understanding and more charm too. And more confidence as well. So we men usually get better at handling women with age."
True, older guys have it easier. As long as you don't get fat you have very little competition.