Yohan wrote: ↑May 10th, 2020, 5:10 am
There are psychopaths everywhere - men and women worldwide - and some of them are also killing prostitutes.
This crime happens not only in Asia but also in USA, UK... not to talk about Latin America, South Africa, there are honor killings in Islamic countries etc. etc. - About this crazy guy, I don't care if he is executed.
As far as I see from this link, she was in HongKong working as a domestic helper and later on moving on into prostitution.
Why did she do that? Nobody was actually forcing her to do that. Her family members were not in HongKong. She was 23 years old and could easily say, 'Sorry, but I cannot send more money, because I do not earn more'. - It was her decision to enter prostitution.
You have lived in Asia long enough to know that is NOT how it works, if some families are parastic and forceful enough to demand money to come from somewhere and what she is earning isn't enough - you know that she is being expected to earn that money
somehow - within the culture of filal piety and obedience to the parents - how she does it doesn't concern them.
Now I know some children will have that freedom to say 'well, f**k off' and some won't.
She could also check out a bit for a nice boyfriend and marriage - I am sure many honest men, Western and Asian, would be happy to date her ....
Yeah, but she had bills to pay as of the here and now, people were expecting her to send lots of money back home, sure, I suppose she could have made a long term plan but when people need that money todaytodaytoday - then she needs to make choices that your daughters (for example...) would never have to make.
No, I flatly reject such argument, that 'prostitution' is the only resort for earning money for poor uneducated women. There are plenty of uneducated women who do not work as call-girls despite they are poor and have never been in a school.
No-one said it wasn't - who said that? I didn't say that. What I said was, that prostitution is an avenue for young women who come from poverty who have families who expect unreasonable financial demands from them - they have neither the skills or the education to make up that kind of income and they're forced into via family pressures, filal piety and cultural norms and expectations. Not them all but a good number of them
BTW, most poor men do not have this choice anyway... Who cares about them?
No-one would pay for your arse anyway, that's why we're men, what would you do if you had no money but no skills or education?
Who cares about poor men who are doing also risky jobs and were killed? Think about it - soldiers, seamen, construction workers....
I am a man as well, no, I couldn't give two shits about them.
MAYBE? What should that mean, we cannot choose our parents.
The point remains that nobody forced her into prostitution. She had other choices as well, but SHE decided for prostitution.
Again, no-one is saying anyone is FORCED into prostitution but that doesn't mean she ISN'T a VICTIM of circumstances, culture, family members and YES - the john who ends up infecting her, murdering her and ruining her life - because she wasn't FORCED into prostitution doesn't mean she isn't a VICTIM.
Just like the poor sap who is murdered for his house - he is a victim too - nobody FORCED him to marry a bar whore and nobody FORCED him to build his bar whore a house but he is still a victim if and when it gets took off him where it sometimes ends with him losing his life - doesn't matter how misguided he is - if he did it in good faith or even if he didn't - he doesn't deserve to be thrown off the balcony!
I should also mention that many people, men, women, children are the victims of murderers worldwide and who cares? - What makes this prostitute killed by a psychopath so special?
She is a victim of circumstances that led her to prostitution that led her to being murdered, you're saying it is 'black and white' very few things are.
As a foreigner, in case of Thailand, you can buy ONLY condominium units in your name - to create something like an 'Isan Palace' is against the law.
As long as your name as a foreigner is not in the land title, or at least in company name only with the foreigner and HIS lawyers, clearly excluding any personal friends like bar-girls and their family members, you own nothing.
It's NOT against the law if it is in the wife's name - which is why these men get murdered - they're stupid and foolish as they get their house took off them but they enterted these relationships and marriages in good faith - because of that, they're still victims - they're in love, the bar girl they married saw a big fish coming and caught it. So sometimes, the john is a victim of prostitution - if they didn't marry bar whores, more than likely they would have kept their money.
But how is this different with anywhere in this world? Men are often the victims of armed robbery/assassination, check out knife-crime in London, UK, gun-violence in USA...
Who says it's different - no-one - a victim of a crime is a victim of a crime - that is correct .
I posted many times clear warnings and was talking with many foreigners during my more than 40 years in Asia and told them not to be infected with 'yellow fever'.
What do you expect police shall do in such cases? He gave away everything by his own decision.
I told many foreign men always to buy a condominium unit which is fitting the law to be sold to foreign ownership and well guarded.
Well, that's very good advice but when people don't listen to it and end up being screwed out of their lifetime savings, they're still victims of a crime even if they don't heed good advice.
To make it short:
His problem if he is so stupid and gives a huge amount of money to Asian bargirls for housing investment in HER name.
This is not illegal, but risky behavior.
I agree - there is nothing you haven't said that is incorrect - but when it happens - it doesn't mean he isn't a victim of a crime, because he trusted her, I mean, I wouldn't marry anyone who had been a prostitute, never mind build a house and put it in her name but some people are a bit too trusting and gullible - even so, the woman and family who defraud him out of the house are still criminals, the fact their victim is a bit of an idiot doesn't stop him being a victim of crime.
The same goes for a prostitute, if she gets raped, murdered, infected with STD's - she is still a victim of crime - even though the john didn't FORCE her to become a prostitute - that doesn't mean she CANNOT be a victim - she is a victim in many ways.
Her problem if she is so stupid and moves into prostitution, not always illegal depends on the country, but it is risky behavior.
You are talking from someone who has always had opportunity and wealth.
Those men and women are adults, responsible for their own decision.
True, but that doesn't mean that there aren't reasons for certain behaviours - there are always causation, stimuli, rationale etc
whole city? About which cities are you talking about it? Please name them!
Sounds rather exaggerated to me, something like 'charity talk' to collect money for poor girls and such BS.
You'll know more about that than me I bet.
About Angeles City in Pampanga, Philippines, this is not such a small place, a city with approx. 500.000 people living there - and you really think that ALL or at least MOST of these people are living solely from prostitution and their income depends solely on what the foreign man is willing to pay?
As you admit, there are other choices too, and many men and women do indeed prefer 'other choices' regardless if they are rich or poor.
It's not about money, it's about your choice - your own way you prefer to go, about your mind-set and character and moral values....
I am glad I am not one of those people who have to make such shitty choices, and nor are you by the sounds of it. You have never gone without to the extent of you NEEDED to sell your arse - you are talking from a very privileged position - of a man from the first world who had the life choices to leave their home country behind as soon as they were able to.
You probably have some mad idea that prosititutes do it because they enjoy f***ing the likes of you.
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It probably offends you that they have little choice in the matter a lot of times.
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