Effective and proven martial arts with a large sample size:
Kyokushin Karate
Muay Thai
Greco-Roman wrestling
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Semi-effective:
Taekwondo
Judo
boxing
traditional Jiu-jitsu
Ineffective:
Kung-fu (nearly all iterations of it)
Arts with a lot of impossible moves like in Hapkido, Aikido.
The ones I listed as effective are the arts you could probably use to defend yourself with by just learning that art alone. Semi-effective are arts that are better than nothing and you could probably still defend yourself pretty well but it's really incomplete with a lot of flaws.
Ineffective arts are arts where you'd just get your a** kicked if you pulled out Jackie Chan monkey style kung fu or tried to do some Steve Seagal Aikido small joint manipulation moves he does in movies.
I left out a lot of the alternative fighting systems like Krav Maga, Silat, etc.. because a lot of them involve weapons or certain situations where you use your environment.
Mixed martial arts is pretty all the effective arts combined so it's by far the best option.
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:40 am
leavingusa
Joined: 21 Jun 2011
Posts: 316
Taco wrote:
The best fighters are the ones that are experts in striking, kicking, submissions and wrestling. Unfortunately, there isn't a fighting system that emphasizes these four areas together. As a result, many MMA champions will be experts in several fighting styles which makes them very unpredictable and devastating in the ring. In addition, the physical attributes of speed, strength, flexibility and endurance are needed to dominate an opponent.
Anderson Silva is argueably the best fighter in the world, having kicked more asses than anyone with the least effort. It is no surprise, he is a master at Muay Thai, Boxing, Jui Jitsu, Taekwondo, Judo and Capoeira.
Silva's actually not that great a fighter in real life, look at all the basic shit Seagal has to teach him like stepping to get inside on a guy.
See the stuff Seagal is teaching him? That's the kind of strategy that works IRL and it's pretty basic too. One thing you'll notice about UFC fighters is they have terrible footwork and tend to block with their faces or "stand and bang". Silva's better than most but he still sucks.
In real life people don't dance around each other for 5 minutes and pick each other apart, they come in swinging for the stands or even with a knife. Most UFC guys get killed every fight if you look at the shots they take and the way they get thrown to the ground. Imagine if that was asphalt.
Funny that fighters in the UFC are just discovering the front kick. lol I was waiting for them to realize a front kick to the face was better than swinging your leg at another guys leg over and over so he's limping in the 3rd round. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
If a guy comes at you for f***ing his wife and you throw the roundhouse at his leg instead of the front kick or stepping to the side and countering you'll end up on your back real quick.
Silva's actually not that great a fighter in real life, look at all the basic shit Seagal has to teach him like stepping to get inside on a guy.
See the stuff Seagal is teaching him? That's the kind of strategy that works IRL and it's pretty basic too. One thing you'll notice about UFC fighters is they have terrible footwork and tend to block with their faces or "stand and bang". Silva's better than most but he still sucks.
In real life people don't dance around each other for 5 minutes and pick each other apart, they come in swinging for the stands or even with a knife. Most UFC guys get killed every fight if you look at the shots they take and the way they get thrown to the ground. Imagine if that was asphalt.
Funny that fighters in the UFC are just discovering the front kick. lol I was waiting for them to realize a front kick to the face was better than swinging your leg at another guys leg over and over so he's limping in the 3rd round. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
If a guy comes at you for f***ing his wife and you throw the roundhouse at his leg instead of the front kick or stepping to the side and countering you'll end up on your back real quick.
lol, wut. Segal didn't teach him jack shit. They were humoring him because he's a celebrity and one of their friends.
There are some videos of actual people using MMA in street fights. It works, dude. Anderson Silva is probably one of the most skilled strikers in MMA. He uses angles really well and he would absolutely destroy your average person. The reason why they feel each other out like that in MMA is because they are all pros. It's sort of like how Merryweather or Pacquiao would just totally clown someone in real life too even though they only know boxing. They are still pros and ridiculously good at fighting.
If you think that's not the case, you can always drop in on a muay thai school or BJJ school and just straight up challenge people. They have open mats and they will definitely mess you up (after you sign a medical waiver.) In Thailand they have the same thing..you can drop in on open training sessions and ask for a full contact sparring session.
Your average BJJ blue belt could probably break your average, know nothing off the street clueless guy's arm in under 60 seconds. Now against a real pro grappler like let's say BJ Penn (who has gotten in a lot of street fights in his life) it'd be even shorter than that.
Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:50 am
leavingusa
Joined: 21 Jun 2011
Posts: 316
Repatriate wrote:
leavingusa wrote:
Silva's actually not that great a fighter in real life, look at all the basic shit Seagal has to teach him like stepping to get inside on a guy.
See the stuff Seagal is teaching him? That's the kind of strategy that works IRL and it's pretty basic too. One thing you'll notice about UFC fighters is they have terrible footwork and tend to block with their faces or "stand and bang". Silva's better than most but he still sucks.
In real life people don't dance around each other for 5 minutes and pick each other apart, they come in swinging for the stands or even with a knife. Most UFC guys get killed every fight if you look at the shots they take and the way they get thrown to the ground. Imagine if that was asphalt.
Funny that fighters in the UFC are just discovering the front kick. lol I was waiting for them to realize a front kick to the face was better than swinging your leg at another guys leg over and over so he's limping in the 3rd round. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
If a guy comes at you for f***ing his wife and you throw the roundhouse at his leg instead of the front kick or stepping to the side and countering you'll end up on your back real quick.
lol, wut. Segal didn't teach him jack shit. They were humoring him because he's a celebrity and one of their friends.
There are some videos of actual people using MMA in street fights. It works, dude. Anderson Silva is probably one of the most skilled strikers in MMA. He uses angles really well and he would absolutely destroy your average person. The reason why they feel each other out like that in MMA is because they are all pros. It's sort of like how Merryweather or Pacquiao would just totally clown someone in real life too even though they only know boxing. They are still pros and ridiculously good at fighting.
If you think that's not the case, you can always drop in on a muay thai school or BJJ school and just straight up challenge people. They have open mats and they will definitely mess you up (after you sign a medical waiver.) In Thailand they have the same thing..you can drop in on open training sessions and ask for a full contact sparring session.
Your average BJJ blue belt could probably break your average, know nothing off the street clueless guy's arm in under 60 seconds. Now against a real pro grappler like let's say BJ Penn (who has gotten in a lot of street fights in his life) it'd be even shorter than that.
Or I can wait outside and jump his silly a** in the parking lot. Medical waiver, you p***y a** bitch.
Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:26 am
Taco
Joined: 09 Jul 2011
Posts: 1183
Stephen Seagal specializes in fight choreography, heres what I'm talking about.
Silva's actually not that great a fighter in real life, look at all the basic shit Seagal has to teach him like stepping to get inside on a guy.
See the stuff Seagal is teaching him? That's the kind of strategy that works IRL and it's pretty basic too. One thing you'll notice about UFC fighters is they have terrible footwork and tend to block with their faces or "stand and bang". Silva's better than most but he still sucks.
In real life people don't dance around each other for 5 minutes and pick each other apart, they come in swinging for the stands or even with a knife. Most UFC guys get killed every fight if you look at the shots they take and the way they get thrown to the ground. Imagine if that was asphalt.
Funny that fighters in the UFC are just discovering the front kick. lol I was waiting for them to realize a front kick to the face was better than swinging your leg at another guys leg over and over so he's limping in the 3rd round. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
If a guy comes at you for f***ing his wife and you throw the roundhouse at his leg instead of the front kick or stepping to the side and countering you'll end up on your back real quick.
Any MMA pro or amateur fighter would put you on your back in an instant. You think we don't know how to deal with someone who just comes at us throwing wild swings? Forrest Griffin tried that against Silva and he got KO'd in the first round, despite his much greater size.
Also LOL at Seagal teaching Silva anything about fighting.
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Your average BJJ blue belt could probably break your average, know nothing off the street clueless guy's arm in under 60 seconds. Now against a real pro grappler like let's say BJ Penn (who has gotten in a lot of street fights in his life) it'd be even shorter than that.
That's true except it'd probably take less than 10 seconds to take someone down and do a basic armbar or keylock, even a few months of continuous training in any combat sport, be it MMA, boxing, MT, full contact karate or whatever puts one far above an untrained guy who just thinks he can fight.
Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:21 pm
leavingusa
Joined: 21 Jun 2011
Posts: 316
Seeker wrote:
leavingusa wrote:
Silva's actually not that great a fighter in real life, look at all the basic shit Seagal has to teach him like stepping to get inside on a guy.
See the stuff Seagal is teaching him? That's the kind of strategy that works IRL and it's pretty basic too. One thing you'll notice about UFC fighters is they have terrible footwork and tend to block with their faces or "stand and bang". Silva's better than most but he still sucks.
In real life people don't dance around each other for 5 minutes and pick each other apart, they come in swinging for the stands or even with a knife. Most UFC guys get killed every fight if you look at the shots they take and the way they get thrown to the ground. Imagine if that was asphalt.
Funny that fighters in the UFC are just discovering the front kick. lol I was waiting for them to realize a front kick to the face was better than swinging your leg at another guys leg over and over so he's limping in the 3rd round. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
If a guy comes at you for f***ing his wife and you throw the roundhouse at his leg instead of the front kick or stepping to the side and countering you'll end up on your back real quick.
Any MMA pro or amateur fighter would put you on your back in an instant. You think we don't know how to deal with someone who just comes at us throwing wild swings? Forrest Griffin tried that against Silva and he got KO'd in the first round, despite his much greater size.
Also LOL at Seagal teaching Silva anything about fighting.
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Your average BJJ blue belt could probably break your average, know nothing off the street clueless guy's arm in under 60 seconds. Now against a real pro grappler like let's say BJ Penn (who has gotten in a lot of street fights in his life) it'd be even shorter than that.
That's true except it'd probably take less than 10 seconds to take someone down and do a basic armbar or keylock, even a few months of continuous training in any combat sport, be it MMA, boxing, MT, full contact karate or whatever puts one far above an untrained guy who just thinks he can fight.
You keep thinking I'm talking about dueling in a Dojo without a weapon and a bunch of rules.
Someone comes up to you in the parking lot smiling and sucker punch you in the nose or maybe walk up behind you and kick your leg so you fall down. Then stomp on your head and face until you are unconscious and that's if they are nice enough to not use a tire iron or a knife which most definitely would rather than muss their clothes and get DNA everywhere.
Seems to me most people are worried about the kind of scenarios I posted not being on TV or going to a McDojo and rolling around on a mat.
And while I'm aware that this is true of just about every other martial arts school you should at least learn something that teaches you what to do when confronted with a ball bat, knife or gun.
Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:11 am
ph_visitor
Joined: 20 Jan 2012
Posts: 280
All martial arts became useless after the revolver was invented in 1818.
All anyone needs to do now is keep at stand-off melee distance, and no MMA works. With pistols, it just got worse. With semi and full auto pistols with 17-33 hold mags, it's even worse.
Will fully auto weapons, it's better to spend your time learning something else that is useful.
If you go places that you need to use MMA, stop going there and move.
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Posts: 3072
Location: California
ph_visitor wrote:
All martial arts became useless after the revolver was invented in 1818.
All anyone needs to do now is keep at stand-off melee distance, and no MMA works. With pistols, it just got worse. With semi and full auto pistols with 17-33 hold mags, it's even worse.
Will fully auto weapons, it's better to spend your time learning something else that is useful.
If you go places that you need to use MMA, stop going there and move.
OK.
But - do you pack heat in the Phil's?
Seems like carrying (besides making it hard to go dancing at a wedding etc) is also against the law in most places. A weapon at home, legal or illegal, is fine for home defense. But that is not the topic here.
Granted, you don't need heat in Japan or China or Hungary etc.
But your name suggests the Phils, which is why I thought I'd ask.
Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:27 pm
Ginger
Joined: 01 Nov 2012
Posts: 424
Location: somewhere out there
Jackal wrote:
But if you are 6 feet tall and 250 pounds of muscle and have the insane look of a psychotic dog rapist in your eyes, your opponent will most likely run after you let out a loud kiai! Having a threatening appearance is they key to kiai-jutsu, I think! That man just looked like a sweet old grandfather who wouldn't scare a four-year-old!
There is also fart-jutsu. You let out the most horrible-smelling fart and then your opponent no longer wants anything to do with you.
There is also vomit-jutsu. How many people are focused enough to keep fighting after being vomited on? Most people would stop in shock and go "Ewwww!" and walk away.
Although I personally recommend sprint-in-the-opposite-direction-jutsu for those like me who don't have ferocious fighting abilities.
Super funny lol
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:45 am
lone_yakuza
Joined: 03 Nov 2012
Posts: 465
Kyokushin Karate is one of the best as it combines Shotokan and various karate styles with Muay Thai and some Tae Kwon Do KO kicks.
Some of the best fighters in the world practice this art as their base style before they went on to learn other styles -> Georges St. Pierre, Kenji Midori, Bas Rutten, Crocop, etc.
That's the art I have trained in on and off for the last few years, but my KOs at the regional level have been mainly with Tae Kwon Do kicks.
My base is Okinawan Karate and Tae Kwon Do with a little bit of Wing Chun. I did that for about 11 years before switching to Kyokushin and Muay Thai/boxing, which has been on and off for about 3 years.
The leg kicks, inside leg kicks, etc. are very useful and used in Muay Thai and Kyokushin, but unless you have very strong shins and have killed the nerve endings and are used to beating them/used to the impacts, I would not advise trying to kick somebody in the leg and then getting shin blocked and then ending up limping around. Only use those leg kicks if you have trained extensively in Muay Thai or Kyokushin.
Otherwise, the most effective kicks are kicks to the kidney/liver with roundhouses or a front kick to the face if you are fast enough. However, you have to be fast and powerful or else the opponent will grab your leg, sweep you, and then as you are falling, force your head into the asphalt with his hand and you will have your brains leaking out onto the ground.
Also effective are sidekicks to the enemy's knees, the groin kick of course, toe stomps, knees to the face if you bring their head down by grappling, and you can even follow through with a fireman carry throw if you are good enough and they dont try to kick you as you try to dive under... that's the danger of trying to wrestle in a street fight because they might knee you in the face or know how to sprawl, then proceed to knee you continuously in your face.
Judo is definitely something you want to learn and much more effective than most people think, particularly when you have clothing to grab onto, which allows you to do many throws that can force the enemy to go flying face forward into the ground.
Sanshou (Cung Le's style) is another good art that combines Muay Thai- like striking with wrestling and sweeping. It's basically the "modernized" version of Northern Chinese martial arts. The grappling aspect teaches you how to catch kicks and take hits or step into the enemy's range to lessen the impact of the kick, as the kick needs distance to gather momentum and if you step in correctly and grab onto their leg, it diminishes the impact a lot, and it allows you to do many trips, throws, elbows to the face, etc. But of course you must have your guard up to defend against any possible strikes from their hands or other leg.
Wing Chun is useful but you need to learn boxing to learn how to bob/weave and also to learn that Wing Chun is not effective in terms of defending against hooks and attacks that come in from the side. Wing Chun as a linear, straight-forward attack style is very good though.
Tae Kwon Do has killer kicks and if you are naturally flexible and have powerful kicks, spinning hook kicks to the head or backkicks/spinning side kicks or the flying versions of both or the high roundhouse to the head or flying tornado kick.... all of these are potential KO kicks that you can pull off if you are skilled enough and do it in the heat of battle.... throwing them off without having worn down your opponent is suicidal. These high kicks are finishers.. not to be used at any other time.
Sabaki method of Enshin Karate, an offshoot of Kyokushin is also very effective as it teaches you angles of attack, especially if you are smaller and need to be an inside fighter or quicker to defeat larger opponents. Combine that with Traditional Boxing, head bobbing/weaving, and of course the Kyokushin karate base, and muay thai.. then you will be a very effective striker.
And of course, Muay Thai, Traditional Boxing, Greco-Roman or Shoot Wrestling, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu are required because basically everybody learns those styles.
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:16 am
lone_yakuza
Joined: 03 Nov 2012
Posts: 465
As for weapons, that is a completely different ballgame. I don't have much knowledge about gun fighting other than that some effective methods are obviously to first of all stay out of melee range, to shoot them before they can close, to run/dodge in zigzag motions or to advance in zig zag motions as you shoot if you are being shot at as well, and to make it random, make it fast, and get to cover as soon as f***ing possible.
If you are good enough or highly trained such as being ex INfantry or SWAT, then you'd know about rolling to cover, rolling to prone position to fire, etc. Basically you want to make yourself as small a target as possible.
That's all I know about gun fighting.
Knife fighting is about controlling the knife and is pretty f***ing scary. I dont know much else about knife fighting other than that you must always try to control the enemy's knife/knife arm and to perform a jointlock that immobilizes their knife arm ASAP. Or you get the f**k out of melee range and blow their head off.
Also, knife fighting is much more arm work, I think as opposed to sword fighting which is more about footwork, form, lunging, side stepping, block/counter and maybe trying to get in a kick while their sword is occupied.
Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:20 am
zboy1
Joined: 04 Oct 2007
Posts: 2250
lone_yakuza wrote:
As for weapons, that is a completely different ballgame. I don't have much knowledge about gun fighting other than that some effective methods are obviously to first of all stay out of melee range, to shoot them before they can close, to run/dodge in zigzag motions or to advance in zig zag motions as you shoot if you are being shot at as well, and to make it random, make it fast, and get to cover as soon as f***ing possible.
If you are good enough or highly trained such as being ex INfantry or SWAT, then you'd know about rolling to cover, rolling to prone position to fire, etc. Basically you want to make yourself as small a target as possible.
That's all I know about gun fighting.
Knife fighting is about controlling the knife and is pretty f***ing scary. I dont know much else about knife fighting other than that you must always try to control the enemy's knife/knife arm and to perform a jointlock that immobilizes their knife arm ASAP. Or you get the f**k out of melee range and blow their head off.
Also, knife fighting is much more arm work, I think as opposed to sword fighting which is more about footwork, form, lunging, side stepping, block/counter and maybe trying to get in a kick while their sword is occupied.
How about Krav Maga? Is it effective? I know it originated in Israel and all their soldiers are trained in it.
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