Another shooting in the US.

[Cornfed]

Somewhere along the way, as people got more money, this country got richer, and more roads and homes were built, people moved out of the city that was rich in culture and family into the into the vast dead suburbs and started the suburban way of life that now is this symbol of success.

Yes, the suburbanization of society in the 50s, when people were bribed to split from their extended families and communities in order to profit from rising suburban house prices and far-flung guvcorp jobs was when the West lost its way.

[NorthAmericanguy]

It is events like this that vindicate the position of most posters here of recognizing there are serious problems with modern society, identifying the problems and trying to come up with solutions.

give this man a drink

on another note [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oybAUKZh ... BC252GHy3w[/youtube]

This guy makes some seemingly brilliant points in this in-depth analysis. I only watched the first few minutes then the last 10 or so minutes. I nothing else, watch the tail end.

First take-away I get from all this - don't have a child unless you are fully committed to doing all it will take and commit your life fully to the task for next two decades or so. If you bring a child into the world and do not strongly parent (imprint), it can likely lead to another suffering misguided life. There's nothing wrong with not having children if you are not up to it.

I just heard on the radio that the spokesman for the family of Elliot Rodger said that the parents are shells of their former selves and they walk around incoherent and mumbling. In this case, the mother(s) being women, will probably be better able to handle this situation, but the father, might never mentally be able to recover from this.

[Cornfed]

First take-away I get from all this - don't have a child unless you are fully committed to doing all it will take and commit your life fully to the task for next two decades or so. If you bring a child into the world and do not strongly parent (imprint), it can likely lead to another suffering misguided life. There's nothing wrong with not having children if you are not up to it.

The obvious problem with following such advice is that it would likely lead to our extinction as a society at this point and would increase the relative reproductive fitness of irresponsible jerks, leading them to be even more attractive to females.

[S_Parc]

I just heard on the radio that the spokesman for the family of Elliot Rodger said that the parents are shells of their former selves and they walk around incoherent and mumbling. In this case, the mother(s) being women, will probably be better able to handle this situation, but the father, might never mentally be able to recover from this.

Yeah, but since she's Asian, she'll have a very hard time facing anyone she knows. She'd now lost public face and in a major way. I would have imagined that in her mind, she would have preferred that her son had only committed suicide (instead of staging a public massacre), and disappeared into anonymity. The thing here is that everyone knows the story, their friends, family members, the UCSB community, and strangers around the country, if not the world.

Both parents will carry this for a very long time.

[Cornfed]

Here is a good quote on the subject:

http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/2 ... -arrivals/

What happened is punishment for evil and violence of feminists and liberals. Any of you supporting atrocities like women's suffrage, immodest clothing, child support/alimony, no ban on adultery, ban on prostitution and a lack of female premarital chastity, all the things that drove this young man to be unable to find a girlfriend, are disgusting , horrible people and you created a culture where this is possible. Renounce these horrors now. It is a decent thing to do. It will make you healthy and sane again. It will make the world healthy and sane again.

[abcdavid01]

I just heard on the radio that the spokesman for the family of Elliot Rodger said that the parents are shells of their former selves and they walk around incoherent and mumbling. In this case, the mother(s) being women, will probably be better able to handle this situation, but the father, might never mentally be able to recover from this.

Yeah, but since she's Asian, she'll have a very hard time facing anyone she knows. She'd now lost public face and in a major way. I would have imagined that in her mind, she would have preferred that her son had only committed suicide (instead of staging a public massacre), and disappeared into anonymity. The thing here is that everyone knows the story, their friends, family members, the UCSB community, and strangers around the country, if not the world.

Both parents will carry this for a very long time.

Hey, I'm glad someone knows about this. Face is essentially why I've stopped speaking with my father.

[S_Parc]

Yeah, but since she's Asian, she'll have a very hard time facing anyone she knows. She'd now lost public face and in a major way. I would have imagined that in her mind, she would have preferred that her son had only committed suicide (instead of staging a public massacre), and disappeared into anonymity. The thing here is that everyone knows the story, their friends, family members, the UCSB community, and strangers around the country, if not the world.

Both parents will carry this for a very long time.

Hey, I'm glad someone knows about this. Face is essentially why I've stopped speaking with my father.

Yeah Dave, I've been around the block and know a lot about how ppl think.

If Elliot didn't stage this massacre and had simply killed himself, his mother would have been able to forget this incident within 3-4 months. Instead, she's now got to carry this shame, for the rest of her natural life. Wherever she roams in America, ppl will find out that she was the mom of a *psycho* killer. I'm also pretty certain that in her parent's home town in Asia, the story is known.

Ultimately, this makes me a little less sympathetic towards those parents because in reality, they're more concerned about their own PR, then why they'd failed their son.

[SilverEnergy]

Thanks Marcos, for not making excuses for what happened.

We know that the dating scene is messed up but most men have the tools to find solutions and do something about it, especially men with money.

No excuses for shooting up people due to sexual repression.

We can certainly understand that the dating scene in America can drive a man insane but no excuses.

However, like many have pointed out, maybe this can be a wake up call for men who have sons, perhaps finding a way to get your sons laid might be able to save lives.

[Cornfed]

Sociopaths are born, not raised, to be sociopaths.

Do you mean psychopath? If Elliot were a psychopath there would have been no problem since he would have had more sluts throwing themselves at him than he knew what to do with.

[pandabear]

I finished my bog post on this issue.

http://sexualobjectification.blogspot.c ... osh-v.html

Let me know what you think.

[S_Parc]

We can certainly understand that the dating scene in America can drive a man insane but no excuses.

However, like many have pointed out, maybe this can be a wake up call for men who have sons, perhaps finding a way to get your sons laid might be able to save lives.

As I'd said, if I hear of a 17 yr old virgin guy and that his favorite movie was a phantasmagorical chick flick, like 'Titantic', as oppose to let's say, 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' or 'Terminator', I'd immediately put that guy on a plane to Costa Rica or Thailand pronto.

This tragedy had occurred because of this f'ed up mix of romantic love ideals/lack of s*x/rejection festering from ages 17 till 22. IMHO, if this kid was bo*nking aways in CR or SE Asia, while doing the distance BS program at Penn State online, I will guarantee that this massacre would not have occurred.

After a good number of bo*nks abroad, he'll be realigned to doing his college homework, but in a relaxed way, hitting the submit button, and then go back to his Thai companion for another round.

Realize this, he obviously knew that he wasn't going to survive this carnage with the SBPD and its SWAT teams, ready to triangulate upon him, in short time. Thus, it was his exit strategy in life.

With four prior years of s*xual memories, he'd actually be thinking about having a future and not just exiting the earth, taking others down with him.

[abcdavid01]

I finished my bog post on this issue.

http://sexualobjectification.blogspot.c ... osh-v.html

Let me know what you think.

Even if Roosh isn't totally agreeable, someone who pisses off feminists that much has to be doing something right. Here's his three options:

“Until you give men like Rodger a way to have sex, either by encouraging him to learn game, seek out a Thai wife, or engage in legalized prostitution"

The Thai wife option is essentially HA, the prostitution angle is what S Parc does, and the game option is ROK. I think they're equally valid, although the HA option is most constructive. If someone's using game and they're only targeting sluts it's not corrupting anyone.

[S_Parc]

The Thai wife option is essentially HA, the p4p angle is what S Parc does, and the game option is ROK. I think they're equally valid, although the HA option is most constructive.

Here's the thing ... I think the Thai wife is later on down the road, ages 24+, after Elliot finishes my theoretical 3-4 years of P4P, while doing the Penn State online program. This gives him both, society's validation of completing a bachelor's program while at the same time, removing him from the nonsense of the whole fitting-in/dorm/fraternity culture which permeates most on-campus programs in America.

The problem is that ER had his mental breakdown from ages 17 to 22. If he's rescued by then, think Holden's "Catcher in the Rye" final message, then he's ready to move onto the next step, and that's finding a more permanent solution with a Thai or Filipino wife.

But each phase is important to work through in its own time.

[Cornfed]

Even if Roosh isn't totally agreeable, someone who pisses off feminists that much has to be doing something right. Here's his three options:

“Until you give men like Rodger a way to have sex, either by encouraging him to learn game, seek out a Thai wife, or engage in legalized p4p"

The Thai wife option is essentially HA, the p4p angle is what S Parc does, and the game option is ROK. I think they're equally valid, although the HA option is most constructive. If someone's using game and they're only targeting sluts it's not corrupting anyone.

Obviously encouraging people to learn game is not the solution, because even if it weren't mostly nonsense, it would simply raise the bar for everyone. If everyone learned game the same men who are getting sex now still would be and the same who aren't still wouldn't be. In fact the situation would be worse, since all the idiot cold approaches to females would make them even more hostile and defensive towards men they didn't initially want to f**k. Roosh is simply a ghoul looking to make a buck off the situation.

[abcdavid01]

Even if Roosh isn't totally agreeable, someone who pisses off feminists that much has to be doing something right. Here's his three options:

“Until you give men like Rodger a way to have sex, either by encouraging him to learn game, seek out a Thai wife, or engage in legalized p4p"

The Thai wife option is essentially HA, the p4p angle is what S Parc does, and the game option is ROK. I think they're equally valid, although the HA option is most constructive. If someone's using game and they're only targeting sluts it's not corrupting anyone.

Obviously encouraging people to learn game is not the solution, because even if it weren't mostly nonsense, it would simply raise the bar for everyone. If everyone learned game the same men who are getting sex now still would be and the same who aren't still wouldn't be. In fact the situation would be worse, since all the idiot cold approaches to females would make them even more hostile and defensive towards men they didn't initially want to f**k. Roosh is simply a ghoul looking to make a buck off the situation.

But everyone's not learning game. The ones who can't get sex otherwise learn it, which equalizes things. There's less advertising on ROK than HA.