When will property be abolished?

[Cornfed]

Have they set a date? The elite wisely have not yet made a general move against private property, but have instead used a variety of excuses to confiscate property on a case by case basis. This has meant that there was no feeling of solidarity among the victims, and therefore no co-operation for widespread resistance. However, it is getting so that the only people to own anything of value outside the ruling class are selfish old people, sellouts of various kinds and parasitical females. Therefore the elite may as well just confiscate this property, as it is not like any of those people are going to do anything about it, and such a move would have widespread support from the majority of propertyless people. Presumably we are waiting for some major real or contrived calamity as an excuse for this to happen.

[Teal Lantern]

Have they set a date? The elite wisely have not yet made a general move against private property, but have instead used a variety of excuses to confiscate property on a case by case basis. This has meant that there was no feeling of solidarity among the victims, and therefore no co-operation for widespread resistance. However, it is getting so that the only people to own anything of value outside the ruling class are selfish old people, sellouts of various kinds and parasitical females. Therefore the elite may as well just confiscate this property, as it is not like any of those people are going to do anything about it, and such a move would have widespread support from the majority of propertyless people. Presumably we are waiting for some major real or contrived calamity as an excuse for this to happen.

If outright abolishment is the plan, I don't believe we'll see a hard date in our lifetime.
People and the states pushed back too hard after the Kelo v. City of New London case.

There will more likely be a carrot & stick approach.
"Budget cuts" for basic services (road repair, snow removal, schools, post offices), land & water use restrictions aka sustainable development, etc,,) where they don't want people to live. Take too long to get power lines or water lines repaired, law enforcement / fire protection pulled away from more remote locations, and generally make it a hassle to live in a remote place, while centralizing services in the big cities and building cheap new downtown highrises.

You'll have to go into the city to shop, pay bills, see a doctor, etc. --- and fuel WON'T be cheap.
They won't say you CAN'T live outside the city, conditions will just be set so that most people decide on their own that it's much more cost-effective to live IN the city.

[Cornfed]

"Budget cuts" for basic services (road repair, snow removal, schools, post offices), land & water use restrictions aka sustainable development, etc,,) where they don't want people to live. Take too long to get power lines or water lines repaired, law enforcement / fire protection pulled away from more remote locations, and generally make it a hassle to live in a remote place, while centralizing services in the big cities and building cheap new downtown highrises.

You'll have to go into the city to shop, pay bills, see a doctor, etc. --- and fuel WON'T be cheap.
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This is of course happening big time already.

[Jester]

Shit. You guys are dead on right but I'm not happy about it.

[C.J.]

Less "property"= less money. There's still a ton of people away from the cities. Doing all of that now would mean they cut off a large part of their cash cow.

[Jester]

Less "property"= less money. There's still a ton of people away from the cities. Doing all of that now would mean they cut off a large part of their cash cow.

The idea would be to remove human freeholders, and replace them with robots, corporate surveillance, and Mexican indentured servants, etc. As long as the flow of minerals and crops is maintained, the costs can be steadily reduced. Fewer useless eaters.

Deliberate or not, that does seem to be the trend, doesn't it?

Former landowners can be housed in high-rise urban "service centers", as Teal illustrated, or perhaps just in Section 8 projects, down the road from where dad used to own a farm or small business. Population count can then be continuously ratcheted down (through mandatory birth control, prescription meds, gangs, despair, etc) to achieve overall "societal balance".

[C.J.]

That may be true. However, the human slavery is the most important aspect here. The elite want that kind of power. Robots cannot provide this. Robots cannot be humans... yet.

Once we get to a certain point, they may start replacing folks. However, it's too early for it now. The elite need human workers more than ever. They're trying to gain as much money/stuff done as possible, before they get ousted.

[Jester]

They're trying to gain as much money/stuff done as possible, before they get ousted.

That's the part I like. Where they panic and start stuffing suitcases with cash, looting everything not tied down.

A lot of that going on lately. Jewelry heists and gold bar heists. just like in the movies. One was in mid-air. And then there's MF Global, where the CEO blithely told Congress he didn't know where customer funds had gone.

This kind of panicky looting is what people do when they sense order is breaking down, or about to break down.

It could be good in the long run - though probably not pleasant in the short run.

Much rather have chaos than slavery.

[C.J.]

Yeah. They've resorted to OUTRIGHT STEALING now.

They're panicking, because their antagonists want their power and riches. And they're not stepping down. Also, the tricks the elite are using against them aren't working.

Their days are numbered. However, don't expect this to be a victory if you support satanists.

[Jester]

Yeah. They've resorted to OUTRIGHT STEALING now.

They're panicking, because their antagonists want their power and riches. And they're not stepping down. Also, the tricks the elite are using against them aren't working.

Their days are numbered. However, don't expect this to be a victory if you support satanists.

Not quite following you. Are you referring to a contest between different factions of corrupt elitists?

I usually figure that overt satanists are only one element of the overall conspiracy.

[C.J.]

Not quite following you. Are you referring to a contest between different factions of corrupt elitists?

I usually figure that overt satanists are only one element of the overall conspiracy.

Yeah, you could say that. I also want some of their spoils.

[Teal Lantern]

Less "property"= less money. There's still a ton of people away from the cities. Doing all of that now would mean they cut off a large part of their cash cow.

They can create as much "money" as they want.
The issue is control and gaining it slowly enough to minimize push back.
We're talking plans and policies that take 20-30 years to fully unfold.

# GMO & CAFO raised food trucked in vs growing your own from heirloom seeds & free range animals.

# Drinking & washing with whatever they put in the muni water supply (chlorine, fluorine, and they've considered lithium)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... rates.html
vs capturing/filtering your rain water.

# Centralized schooling (promoting all sorts of "lifestyles") vs home-schooling (you might go off script and even sneak some religion in there ).

Self-support/direction is a dangerous skill to allow in a population you want to control.

[Ghost]

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[Taco]

Property has always been an illusion in countries with large, powerful governments. Rights are only theoretical and are more accurately described as privileges that can be revoked at any time. Consider that in the U.S. at least, property taxes are eternal. Even if you own your house, you never own your land. And you cannot, as far as I know, ever pay your taxes off for more than a year at a time. All land is DaddyGov controlled. No such thing as property for the little guys.

I agree with your assessment. The government can impose martial law at any time which means you and all your possessions have a new owner.

The MF Global scandal a few years ago was strictly a property rights issue. The supreme court ruled that the bankrupt MF Global could confiscate client trading accounts. We've already seen bank accounts in Cyprus get taken earlier this year. It makes me think the future doesn't look very good, either you own property or you are property.

MF Global
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_Global

[momopi]

Property has always been an illusion in countries with large, powerful governments. Rights are only theoretical and are more accurately described as privileges that can be revoked at any time. Consider that in the U.S. at least, property taxes are eternal. Even if you own your house, you never own your land. And you cannot, as far as I know, ever pay your taxes off for more than a year at a time. All land is DaddyGov controlled. No such thing as property for the little guys.

Your property (Real Estate) ownership and rights exists so long as the government that recognizes it exists. Should the government fall or the country be conquered by another, the new government is under no obligation to recognize your ownership.

There is no reason to take away property rights when people voluntarily sign themselves up for 30-year mortgages. Why discourage them from working until age 65+? If property were nationalized then the people will ask the government for freebies and handouts.