Do you prefer to approach or be approached by women?

[DarrenFW]

Very interesting topic. Thanks for posting.

One thing I can say for certain is that approaching out of the blue gets you nothing. Well, maybe 2-5% of the time, you get into a nice conversation.

This is why you don't want to spend alot of time, money or emotions on some random girl. If you just get the number and get out of there, you're far better off than trying to use a nine step approach that no one can ever remember (MM).

Another thing that you guys have not discussed is the fact that when women do some work (approach, make eye contact, smile, laugh at dumb jokes), the whole interaction changes.

Imagine doing cold calls all day long and suddenly someone calls you. Big difference especially if you're a salesman.

-D

[jamesbond]

Anglo women in general are just not worth shit. Perhaps Australian women are not worth dog shit, while American women are not even worth elephant diarrhea shit. Is it really any better having the former rather than than the latter?

Your right, American women are not even worth elephant diarrhea shit!

[***JP***]

Anglo women in general are just not worth shit. Perhaps Australian women are not worth dog shit, while American women are not even worth elephant diarrhea shit. Is it really any better having the former rather than than the latter?

Your right, American women are not even worth elephant diarrhea shit!

+1

Hell rat excrement is worth more than these spoiled lil princesses. That's why every time they approach me I treat them for the pieces of shit that they are. Not wasting my time with any of them wether they are white. black, blue whatever. The more of us reject them the faster they will end up becoming the mail order brides and the more of us the guys with our foreign women can laugh and mock these american feminazis.

[jamesbond]

Hell rat excrement is worth more than these spoiled lil princesses. That's why every time they approach me I treat them for the pieces of shit that they are. Not wasting my time with any of them wether they are white. black, blue whatever. The more of us reject them the faster they will end up becoming the mail order brides and the more of us the guys with our foreign women can laugh and mock these american feminazis.

Avoid American women just like you would avoid stepping in dog shit!

[All_That_Is_Man]

I guess I never really fully answered this question, but I would prefer to be APPROACHED. I've always done the approaching, the initiating, the pursuing, the leading, and whatnot. Except I live in America, and here in this country, approaching women is POINTLESS - even if you are good looking. Hell, the only place women feel comfortable being talked to by random men is the f***ing club or a bar; even then the odds of building a relationship of any kind, or simply getting laid, are terribly slim. When the female approaches the man, that at least is a blatant signal that things can go to the next level, because it is women who have the final say-so, so why shouldn't WOMEN approach/take the lead? I don't do the bar scene or the club scene, simply because I have no friends and that's not the ideal environment for independent guys flying solo (not in America, at least), so I've been cold approaching females on the street, at the book store, at restaurants, at the mall, at concerts, in college, etc. throughout my adult life. It leads you nowhere. My last successful cold approach that actually lead to dating, courting, and sex was nearly 4 and a half years ago when I dated a 21-year-old China-born Chinese girl who was here in America studying at a university. I love to cold approach, but this year I have faced the facts - American females aren't worth an exciting, ambitious man who loves women. Like jamesbond said, they are indeed excrement of the most vile kind. If one decides to approach me, I will either give the cold shoulder and walk the polar opposite direction before she even opens her mouth (I do this with American black females instinctively), or if she's a relatively decent-looking non-black female who is still in her prime (rarely if ever happens) I will actually listen to her approach and then decide if I want to build something. Until then, I will only target women who were clearly born in another country (but even that can prove to be "no-win" here in America...).

[jamesbond]

This is a pretty interesting topic. I wanna say that I would actually change my vote because I actually prefer to approach. However, approaching is not fun in America.

See, in the US women have so much power over relationships and also there's so much competition that dating is like gladiator fights at the Colosseum. You have to fight to the death with another man (gladiator) for the entertainment of the woman (Julius Caesar). Then, Caesar can give a thumbs up or a thumbs down and that decides your fate.

If the average man actually had options here, then approaching could be more enjoyable because you could actually CHOOSE. But alas, it is what it is.

Your right, approaching women in America is NOT fun, in fact, it's intimidating and ego damaging. A study came out recently that said women in the US are the second least flirtacious women in the world.

So not only do American women not approach men, they don't even flirt with men! The reason they don't show any interest in men, is because they have a lot of guys asking them out as it is.

In the US, if the woman is average looking and not fat, most likely she already has a boyfriend. If she is good looking, it's almost certain she has a boyfriend. Now if is she ugly or fat, she probably doesn't have a boyfriend but what guy want's to date a fat or ugly woman?

[marklambo]

OzGuy and others Down Under, you fellas have legal brothels & escorts in both Oz and NZ.

Thus, I don't understand ... why are any guys over there, trying to date Anglo women? It just doesn't make any sense to me, as full-service parlours are all over Sydney/Melbourne/Adelaide/Perth/Auckland.

Wow, they don't have legal brothels in the US? I thought they were known for that... or am I just thinking of illegal street hoes?

Sure enough if you're interested in that, but its not for me personally. I guess i'm also after someone I can share my time with. Plus i'd rather save up my money for traveling overseas to meet real women.

But yes, I have recently given up on Australian women completely. I will never date an Anglo woman again.

The only place you'll find legal brothels are in Pahrump, NV

Everywhere else is all illegal here.

[marklambo]

No, we don't have brothels in the US, p4p is strictly illegal here (and very rare compared to other places).

We have some 'underground' activities here but the women are ugly and disgusting and very dangerous, so it's not just the illegal aspect, it's also the hoes themselves who are dirty and repulsive.

The US doesn't have the European and Australian availability of normal, safe, attractive, mainstream hookers. Even Canada is better in this regard.

Yes, we do and they are located in Pahrump, NV. It is legal there but just like everyone says, it is way overpriced and not really worth it. The women don't even look that good and some are pretty old and run down. Not worth it by any means.

[marklambo]

Hell rat excrement is worth more than these spoiled lil princesses. That's why every time they approach me I treat them for the pieces of shit that they are. Not wasting my time with any of them wether they are white. black, blue whatever. The more of us reject them the faster they will end up becoming the mail order brides and the more of us the guys with our foreign women can laugh and mock these american feminazis.

Avoid American women just like you would avoid stepping in dog shit!

lmao! But they do say that if you step in dog shit, it means you'll have good luck. I think that's the only difference between dog shit and american women lol

[jamesbond]

Wow, check out this article (written by a woman of course) of the top 5 reasons women should never approach men.

http://findawayormakeone.hubpages.com/h ... proach-Men

Basically, her top 5 reasons are:

1. What if the guy you approach is crazy?
2. Approaching is the man's job, not the woman's job.
3. It may make a woman look desperate if she approaches a man.
4. The woman may wind up being the man in a relationship.
5. If a man is interested in you, let him make the first move.

Check out the comments at the end of the artice they are so accurate and true!

If an attractive male approaches a woman and offers to buy her a drink, he's desirable and confident. If an unattractive or even average guy does it, he's a "creeper" and a "pervert."

Way to encourage all women to be entitled princesses, who want all the same rights as men, yet still are too lazy to do things like ask men out or, horror of horrors, pick up the check on a date! Women like you don’t want equality, you want extra privileges.

She thinks it's the man's job to approach her. Approaching a man would be lowering herself.

These days, women demand equality....which is fine. But, in turn, don't expect men to have to approach you and treat you like princesses. Your double-standard makes you seem like a sexist. Men feel the same emotions as women. We fear rejection and would rather be approached as well. Don't give me that BS about how a man should "man up". How about a woman being able to "woman up"?

Women demand sexual equality. But when it comes to dating? Oh no, the men have to do everything. What a joke. Women have this sense of entitlement and think that they can play games with men.

Most guys find the gender roles incredibly biased towards women when it comes to dating, and find it incomprehensibly cruel that they're always supposed to take the lead, because rejection isn't fun, and men are expected to face it head on, whereas women have the luxury of choosing among their options.

[Banano]

Wow, check out this article (written by a woman of course) of the top 5 reasons women should never approach men.

http://findawayormakeone.hubpages.com/h ... proach-Men

Basically, her top 5 reasons are:

1. What if the guy you approach is crazy?
2. Approaching is the man's job, not the woman's job.
3. It may make a woman look desperate if she approaches a man.
4. The woman may wind up being the man in a relationship.
5. If a man is interested in you, let him make the first move.

Check out the comments at the end of the artice they are so accurate and true!

If an attractive male approaches a woman and offers to buy her a drink, he's desirable and confident. If an unattractive or even average guy does it, he's a "creeper" and a "pervert."

Way to encourage all women to be entitled princesses, who want all the same rights as men, yet still are too lazy to do things like ask men out or, horror of horrors, pick up the check on a date! Women like you don’t want equality, you want extra privileges.

She thinks it's the man's job to approach her. Approaching a man would be lowering herself.

These days, women demand equality....which is fine. But, in turn, don't expect men to have to approach you and treat you like princesses. Your double-standard makes you seem like a sexist. Men feel the same emotions as women. We fear rejection and would rather be approached as well. Don't give me that BS about how a man should "man up". How about a woman being able to "woman up"?

Women demand sexual equality. But when it comes to dating? Oh no, the men have to do everything. What a joke. Women have this sense of entitlement and think that they can play games with men.

Most guys find the gender roles incredibly biased towards women when it comes to dating, and find it incomprehensibly cruel that they're always supposed to take the lead, because rejection isn't fun, and men are expected to face it head on, whereas women have the luxury of choosing among their options.

I have no problem with approaching provided I get some sort of signal or smile from her, when you guys approach girl who clearly isn't t interested in you and couldn't care less about your existence then you will get rejected and sometimes she will get angry.
Females aren't robots, they are constantly scanning for potential partner or fk buddy and if you happen to be 'that guy' you will know about it

[Jester]

I have no problem with approaching provided I get some sort of signal or smile from her, when you guys approach girl who clearly isn't t interested in you and couldn't care less about your existence then you will get rejected and sometimes she will get angry.
Females aren't robots, they are constantly scanning for potential partner or fk buddy and if you happen to be 'that guy' you will know about it

Exactly right.

One of my sons worked as a bouncer in a club, and he agreed ith me, that some guys are just brain-dead, or tone-deaf, when it comes to detecting female interest. He saw them approach, crash and burn when they had been given no indication of interest.

You can still get turned down if they DO give you an indication, but at least the interplay was appreciated.

[tre]

I'd rather do the approaching, AFTER the woman gives the sign to do so. That way, I don't have to shoot them down directly...I can just ignore the sign. I remember one girl from the UK hitting on me so hard that I got frustrated and decided to call it a night. I told me friends I was taking off and she said "I'm going with you" and I told her "no, you are not". She didn't expect that and she got PISSED....lol. My friends were shocked (they'd f**k anything though) and thought I was mean. She was an overweight (thinnest of her girlfriends though) white girl. I don't even like white women (unless they are no older than 21, fit and hot) so it was easy to turn her down.

So yeah, I'd much rather do the approaching so that I don't have to deal with girls that I don't want to waste time with. Usually the ones that approach are desperate, strippers (on their night off), or hookers. I am not a fan of any of them....PASS.

[JaiGrimstone]

I prefer the woman to approach me. As its really difficult to know what a girl thinks. Sometimes it happened with me that iI thought about a girl that she is interested in me and I approached her but then she said there was nothing like this at all from her side. After that incident I have decided not to approach a girl myself.

[jamesbond]

Check out this article written by a woman called, "Do Girls Need To Approach Guys To Get A Date?"

Here are some excerpts from the article.

"I like to consider myself a modern, independent woman. But when it comes to dating, I’ve always been old-fashioned. If we’re making eye contact with each other from across the bar or in a coffee shop, I’d like you to be the one to approach me. Unfortunately for me, chivalry is, in fact, very much dead. So I’d like to raise the question: as we’re discovering the world of dating in the 21st century, do girls have to be the ones to approach guys to get a date?

I’ve been noticing this trend for years now—more and more women have been the ones to initiate their relationships while more and more men seem to be slowly backing away into the mentality that “the girl should be the one to hit on them.â€￾ And as more women make the first move, men are even more comfortable shying away because they don’t have to be the ones to initiate things anymore.

Now, I’m not saying that I think guys should ALWAYS be the ones to hit on girls, because I see nothing wrong with girls taking some initiative now and then. Hell, I wish I could be one of those girls. However, I am the least assertive person I know, and I can make things awkward really quickly, so it’s not a realistic option for me.

But where does that leave all the girls like me—the ones who aren’t forward enough to approach guys on their own, but who aren’t being approached by guys anymore?"

Apparently, this girl does not have guys approaching her and asking her out. She feels invisible to men, now she knows how men in America feel.

Here is the link for the full article: http://postgradproblems.com/do-girls-ne ... et-a-date/