Validation isn't worth it

[S_Parc]

But then there are certain guys around here that leave the USA and spend 100% of their time with bar girls even though they could land a good looking local. Those guys are the ones that bug me.

I'm friends with a lesbian, who can get AWs, and even she's gone cold turkey on dating them.

If a lesbian is going all pro, then why does a guy need to justify himself?

[HouseMD]

But then there are certain guys around here that leave the USA and spend 100% of their time with bar girls even though they could land a good looking local. Those guys are the ones that bug me.

I'm friends with a lesbian, who can get AWs, and even she's gone cold turkey on dating them.

If a lesbian is going all pro, then why does a guy need to justify himself?

You misunderstand. I mean guys that can score quality non western locals abroad but pay anyway. I would not encourage anyone to pursue American women.

[droid]

I don't get the whole p4p thing. As I've said before, real sex is like hunting, while p4p is like paying someone to put a deer in a room then shooting it. p4p is just a sad mockery of real sex, love, and connection. If you've ever gotten a girl to beg you to f**k her, you'd know she isn't imagining some model in your place. Women are mostly about the mental side of sex, not the physical. Your error is in assuming women think like you.
Sex is also very much about power. A hoe holds total power over you in such an arrangement- she sets the rules and can stop working at any time. In a genuine sexual relationship, the man holds the bulk of the power if he isn't a p***y. Sleeping with a hoe is therefore something I consider emasculating and beneath me. Anyway, I've had some perfect girls in my day without paying, so why pay?
Not that I'm judging. It just isn't my cup of tea.

But that's under assumptions made from an American-feminism point of view. As Winston has explained before, those p4p girls (abroad) are human beings too, and they don't see every guy as a slimy creep.
In fact, many of them actually can't have enough of men, it's not just a business-only transaction. They go into the business as something normal, not "due to poverty" etc, as they use the money for jewelry, nice clothes etc (they've told me so). I have a lot more respect for these girls than for the skanks at clubs.
I've been a couple of times to bar-style places in Europe and South America, and the girls that like you the most are the ones that approach you. It's hard for an American guy to understand, but it's like being in another dimension, that's the best way I can put it.

I'm not promoting going 100% this way of course, but I must call BS on this 'degrading exchange' view that feminism+puritanism have pushed. They always imply that "there must be something wrong" with the girl or the guy.

One question for you Dr House, how does std/herpes numbers compare between p4p and otherwise girls? Someone told me here in FL 30% of regular girls have stds? (Not being defiant, just wondering).

[Banano]

P4p dont validate you, simple as that. What happens when you dont have money?
You can pay a hoe but you wont make her panties wet, there is huge difference when women wanna fck you for you and not for your money, its hard to explain but your confidence and self esteem skyrockets when you score good looking woman as opposed to scoring a hoe. I had both and its silly to compare. Besides, hooker will think you are looser for paying for her worn out p***y.

Yes, some celebrities go for p4p but thats different perspective, they could get lot of ass for nothing, I know guys who only have sex when they show the $$ and their self esteem is down cause they know no women wants them unless they pay.

If p4p is your only option, well, there is not much you can do about it.
Decent hooker will cost you a $300 and hour and you will come once or twice and it will be certain degree of pressure due to time constraints making it harder to enjoy, plus lack of spontaneity, emotion and intensity. Hooker will sleep with everyone in comparison to sluts who are pickier and f**k less.
Having f**k buddy is much more economical and sensible option(that is if you can get one)

[Winston]

Also, from a health perspective, herpes is probably one of the worst things about hoes. If you bang them long enough, you're bound to catch a case. Condoms just aren't very effective against it.

Very true. Herpes is a danger because it can be transmitted through condoms. Again, if the industry is legal, as in Europe, the workers have health insurance and they get regular health check-ups. Where P4P is illegal, it's twice as dangerous, because there are no regulations in place.

P.S.: Winston, why does your forum auto-replace the word "p-r-o-s-titute" with "P4P" and "hoes"? Those aren't the words I want to use.

Because words like that are flagged by Google Adsense as adult content, and incurs penalties which could get ads blocked from here, which means a big loss of revenue. I explained that long ago in the thread about adult content.

But words like P4P and hoes don't usually get flagged.

To OP: I'm going to have to remove those nude pics you posted in this thread, otherwise this whole thread will have to be moved to the NSFW section which will be less visible. So I assume you prefer the former.

[marklambo]

There's more to sex than just putting your dick in a hole. It's the "more" that you can't buy. Paying for sex is essentially admitting you are powerless when it comes to women- if you can't pay, you can't land some decent p***y. How is that empowering to know? I mean, essentially you're saying your dick is useless without a thick wallet once you resort to only p4p.

Yea but sometimes a man just wants to f**k. Sometimes he doesn't want the mental bullshit that comes with seducing a woman, trying to prove he's worthy of being with her, etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with being powerless when it comes to women. Many of the most powerful men in the world still pay for it, even though they have tons of talent throwing themselves at them on a daily basis. Paying for it is a means of quick access without the bullshit baggage that comes along with seducing a normal woman.

I don't personally have a problem landing good talent every now and then but you have to remember that some guys just don't have the ability to do it. If they choose the p4p route, I have nothing against it. Why should they settle? If they're not able to land the good ones via traditional bullshit pua, why do they have to be looked down upon for paying for hot a**? They shouldn't have to settle for that fat smelly whale waiting to milk him for every dollar he has.

I don't judge ugly or socially inept dudes for banging hoes. It's the ones that can score decent a** but end up going exclusively p4p that I look down on. Nothing wrong with a guy occasionally indulging though. Wealthy men don't have to worry as much about pros getting pregnant, crying rape, etc. It's just the lazy dudes that bug me.

Also, from a health perspective, herpes is probably one of the worst things about hoes. If you bang them long enough, you're bound to catch a case. Condoms just aren't very effective against it.

You can catch a disease just as easily, if not easier with normal trash sluts. Usually those girls are worse because they don't even practice safe sex. The reality is there really isn't "safe sex". The only safe sex is no sex. It's a risk we all take. When I talk about p4p, I'm referring to legalized and regulated quality ones. I'm not referring to crackhead prostitutes walking the corners of a boulevard.

[marklambo]

I'm a true believer that chasing below average or ugly women is such a big waste of time. I rather be at home with a dry dick than to put efforts into a below average or ugly chic. There are many guys that say they'll never do p4p because it's a sign of being desperate, lack of game, and damaging to their ego. But yet you'll never see these guys with quality looking chics. Many guys rather bang a below average or ugly girl for "free" (even though we all know its not free) than to p4p and have a hot dime.

^^ This. I independently came to the exact same conclusion.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who puts a premium on physical appearance (I started a thread about it here based on my own bad experiences with ugly women)

I have no problem with p4p if it's with a hot chic but what makes me wonder sometimes is you'll see guys go for p4p but pick out a below average or ugly chic. This is where I see no reason for p4p. If you're going to do p4p, don't get some troll, what the hell is wrong with some of those guys?

Because, surprisingly, attractive women often don't exist in the P4P sphere in America, where it's illegal and sketchy. The available women tend to be tattooed and malnourished crackwhores with STDs.

When I was in Europe and Canada, the legality of their industry allowed me to see very beautiful "commercial" providers and it was no problem finding them. In the US, it would have to be some sort of secret "elite" undercover agency (of the type Eliot Spitzer used to frequent) that doesn't advertise and that you wouldn't know about just by looking them up somewhere. Otherwise, it's the ugly outcasts of society.

yea and that also becomes a big problem in places such as America. And because of the lack of "quality" women available for p4p, it increasingly artificially inflates the value of the women here (in the women's eyes)

[theprimebait]

The only replies against have been based on the validation issue.Its as if noone read what I explained about seeking Validation.

no girl is validating YOU,she is validating your random and lucky placement of facial bones(if you're handsome).not YOU!if you had the disluck of being average looking or ugly,then she would not be with YOU.

she is thinking about a male model or a Slayer when you f**k her.so how is that validating?

and WHY do you seek validation?that is the core of what I'm saying.its the male mother need.what material benefit does validation bring?its all inside your heart.

and Yes,I am lazy.I live with my parents(I'm 21 yrs old),and I can't bring a girl here to f**k.maybe when I get my own place and $$$ My whole tune will change.who knows.

my Ideal would be all 3:

get a loyal wife later in life

f**k alot of women in short term relationships

use hoes.I also think having a loyal wife is nice if you're lazy like me and you want children.I wouldn't even call myself lazy,I just don't see most women worth my time.

and last thing:noone gives a shit about your moral or religious beliefs,they don't help us get anything material!wether someone ''approves''of your p4p ways,is irrelevant,they aren't supplying you with p***y,and even if p***y was abundant they would hoard all the p***y!

all men are your enemies and competitors when it comes to resources and women!RedPill Truth!

the world is a huge cockblock,and caring about their approval of your lifestyle has no benefit.

[HouseMD]

The only replies against have been based on the validation issue.Its as if noone read what I explained about seeking Validation.

no girl is validating YOU,she is validating your random and lucky placement of facial bones(if you're handsome).not YOU!if you had the disluck of being average looking or ugly,then she would not be with YOU.

she is thinking about a male model or a Slayer when you f**k her.so how is that validating?

and WHY do you seek validation?that is the core of what I'm saying.its the male mother need.what material benefit does validation bring?its all inside your heart.

and Yes,I am lazy.I live with my parents(I'm 21 yrs old),and I can't bring a girl here to f**k.maybe when I get my own place and $$$ My whole tune will change.who knows.

my Ideal would be all 3:

get a loyal wife later in life

f**k alot of women in short term relationships

use hoes.I also think having a loyal wife is nice if you're lazy like me and you want children.I wouldn't even call myself lazy,I just don't see most women worth my time.

and last thing:noone gives a shit about your moral or religious beliefs,they don't help us get anything material!wether someone ''approves''of your p4p ways,is irrelevant,they aren't supplying you with p***y,and even if p***y was abundant they would hoard all the p***y!

all men are your enemies and competitors when it comes to resources and women!RedPill Truth!

the world is a huge cockblock,and caring about their approval of your lifestyle has no benefit.

That's all fine and good if you're a materialist, but some of us believe our psyche, spirit, soul, or whatever is worth nurturing. When you do not pursue what makes you spiritually fulfilled and focus only on playing the body, you'll eventually end up depressed or crazy. Humans aren't machines. We have complex emotional and spiritual needs that differ for each of us.

Also I feel as if you fundamentally misunderstand how females view sex. Women generally f**k for emotional reasons. The only way they are picturing some other dude is if they never liked you to begin with. Who you are is a big party of what drives them to want you.

And it isn't about motherly validation, it is about sating a desire similar to a killer instinct. I like to bang non hoes for the same reason a cat plays with love mice but not freshly dead ones. If men didn't have such an instinct, humanity probably wouldn't be where it is today, and the population would certainly be lower.

Lastly, your view that all men are only competitors is sad and a reflection of the sad state of men in general nowadays. Close friends are not competitors, hell, they can really be an asset to getting laid. Having a wide group of male friends can massively increase your opportunities to get laid. To view them as nothing but competition is quite psychopathic.

[In2dadark]

I like ladyboys/ ts girls.. I f***ed this p**nstar a few months ago it was p4p $300 but worth every penny


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJoJdlmNKc

f***ed so many Transexuals here in the RDL amsterdam....

most are super pretty and more feminine than women.but I am a freak,so I love more than just the p***y!lol

here they cost only 50 bucks,my first was 30 bucks,I actually did not know she was a tranny,I decided to give it a Try and I´ve been a fan ever since.mostly f***ed colombian Tgirls,but had 2 dutch ones.also 1 puerto Rican Tgirl.those colombianas got big Asses!lol

would love to try a Asian Ladyboy Though.

they give better head than any woman,I know.

Good for you Primebait. A man shouldn't deny himself being with hot women, life is too short.

What is your location? not everywhere do you have to be chasing and 'entertaining' spoiled women to gain some attention.
In many places hot women do chase you, or at least it's equal effort from both parties, even if you're not a +10 hunk. It just feels normal.
In normal places, women actually crave male companionship and cut you a break on the looks.

This acquaintance of mine married this hot 16 yo in South America when he was 36 . He was just an average-looking, but industrious guy
that was trying to start his own small company. He did not have to 'chase' and bend over backwards for this.

It also depends if you require only 10s to be happy. Personally if she passes the kiss test (7-10) I can have 100% fun, I don't think about
a Ferrari when driving a Mercedes (lame analogy).

I also don't agree with the strict classification between p4p and non-p4p some make; All women want something from you,
they don't abstractly accept you "for who you are" like some guys expect. It's some value they see in you, be it humor, money (straight up cash or flashy assets), looks, intellect, drive, tenderness etc; It's an exchange, no matter what.
Even Will-N-dowd offered Looks alone, it wasn't "for who he was" (not judging, i think that was great).

I´m actually goodlooking and got alot of women in highschool.thats beside the point,though.

That depressed me. Wish I could unread.

[HouseMD]

I like ladyboys/ ts girls.. I f***ed this p**nstar a few months ago it was p4p $300 but worth every penny


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJoJdlmNKc

f***ed so many Transexuals here in the RDL amsterdam....

most are super pretty and more feminine than women.but I am a freak,so I love more than just the p***y!lol

here they cost only 50 bucks,my first was 30 bucks,I actually did not know she was a tranny,I decided to give it a Try and I´ve been a fan ever since.mostly f***ed colombian Tgirls,but had 2 dutch ones.also 1 puerto Rican Tgirl.those colombianas got big Asses!lol

would love to try a Asian Ladyboy Though.

they give better head than any woman,I know.

Good for you Primebait. A man shouldn't deny himself being with hot women, life is too short.

What is your location? not everywhere do you have to be chasing and 'entertaining' spoiled women to gain some attention.
In many places hot women do chase you, or at least it's equal effort from both parties, even if you're not a +10 hunk. It just feels normal.
In normal places, women actually crave male companionship and cut you a break on the looks.

This acquaintance of mine married this hot 16 yo in South America when he was 36 . He was just an average-looking, but industrious guy
that was trying to start his own small company. He did not have to 'chase' and bend over backwards for this.

It also depends if you require only 10s to be happy. Personally if she passes the kiss test (7-10) I can have 100% fun, I don't think about
a Ferrari when driving a Mercedes (lame analogy).

I also don't agree with the strict classification between p4p and non-p4p some make; All women want something from you,
they don't abstractly accept you "for who you are" like some guys expect. It's some value they see in you, be it humor, money (straight up cash or flashy assets), looks, intellect, drive, tenderness etc; It's an exchange, no matter what.
Even Will-N-dowd offered Looks alone, it wasn't "for who he was" (not judging, i think that was great).

I´m actually goodlooking and got alot of women in highschool.thats beside the point,though.

That depressed me. Wish I could unread.

What's depressing? That women might actually want something from a guy? I thought that was common sense. If she wanted nothing she would settle for the first guy that asked her out. Men will pretty much sleep with anything attractive (that is what we want, after all) so someone needs to sexually select based on some criteria aside from looks or else we'd all just be beautiful idiots at this point in our evolution.

[In2dadark]

I like ladyboys/ ts girls.. I f***ed this p**nstar a few months ago it was p4p $300 but worth every penny


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJoJdlmNKc

f***ed so many Transexuals here in the RDL amsterdam....

most are super pretty and more feminine than women.but I am a freak,so I love more than just the p***y!lol

here they cost only 50 bucks,my first was 30 bucks,I actually did not know she was a tranny,I decided to give it a Try and I´ve been a fan ever since.mostly f***ed colombian Tgirls,but had 2 dutch ones.also 1 puerto Rican Tgirl.those colombianas got big Asses!lol

would love to try a Asian Ladyboy Though.

they give better head than any woman,I know.

Good for you Primebait. A man shouldn't deny himself being with hot women, life is too short.

What is your location? not everywhere do you have to be chasing and 'entertaining' spoiled women to gain some attention.
In many places hot women do chase you, or at least it's equal effort from both parties, even if you're not a +10 hunk. It just feels normal.
In normal places, women actually crave male companionship and cut you a break on the looks.

This acquaintance of mine married this hot 16 yo in South America when he was 36 . He was just an average-looking, but industrious guy
that was trying to start his own small company. He did not have to 'chase' and bend over backwards for this.

It also depends if you require only 10s to be happy. Personally if she passes the kiss test (7-10) I can have 100% fun, I don't think about
a Ferrari when driving a Mercedes (lame analogy).

I also don't agree with the strict classification between p4p and non-p4p some make; All women want something from you,
they don't abstractly accept you "for who you are" like some guys expect. It's some value they see in you, be it humor, money (straight up cash or flashy assets), looks, intellect, drive, tenderness etc; It's an exchange, no matter what.
Even Will-N-dowd offered Looks alone, it wasn't "for who he was" (not judging, i think that was great).

I´m actually goodlooking and got alot of women in highschool.thats beside the point,though.

That depressed me. Wish I could unread.

What's depressing? That women might actually want something from a guy? I thought that was common sense. If she wanted nothing she would settle for the first guy that asked her out. Men will pretty much sleep with anything attractive (that is what we want, after all) so someone needs to sexually select based on some criteria aside from looks or else we'd all just be beautiful idiots at this point in our evolution.

the ladyboy / transsexual part.

[Maverick]

Here's a solution for you: while you're in the US, sleep with who you can. Don't make a deal about it or look for anything more than casual sex. Just have fun and don't take it seriously.

P4P is too risky in the US, in my opinion, for various reasons.

Then when you could make it abroad, do P4P to your heart's desire....or hook up with the locals....or find a nice girl and settle down with her. Whatever floats your boat, really.

[marklambo]

Here's a solution for you: while you're in the US, sleep with who you can. Don't make a deal about it or look for anything more than casual sex. Just have fun and don't take it seriously.

P4P is too risky in the US, in my opinion, for various reasons.

Then when you could make it abroad, do P4P to your heart's desire....or hook up with the locals....or find a nice girl and settle down with her. Whatever floats your boat, really.

p4p in the US is also almost the highest in cost. Definitely not worth it at all. You can find quality p4p in other countries for much less of a cost with less risk than doing it here. If a guy has the ability to completely eliminate any sex with a woman in the US, whether it be p4p or random skanks and just go abroad, he's far better off in many ways.

[SilverEnergy]

Why do we discuss p4p so much on these forums???

Going overseas should be more than just banging women and more about true revitalization of the inner self.

Screw women and screw p4p.

Chase your money and wealth instead!