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droid wrote:The thing is, you're still operating entirely on theory alone, on every aspect Tsar. Some day you will have to step into actual practice under less than ideal conditions. And you know I'm not talking only business here.

You may be entitled to a job that suits your liking and provides x amount. But the reality says otherwise, unfair or not.
Especially in your field, I really doubt someone will let you loose with some "investments" right off the bat. Most likely you will have to start by doing some basic accounting in front of the computer all day, building some rapport before companies trust you. Or perhaps working your way up into the management of a restaurant or something like that.
I'm not a business expert myself, but I'd dare to say that business resembles engineering more and more nowadays.

You're right in that with less than $30K you only tread water these days, but you have to consider that as an investment, while you learn something and build up experience. It doesn't have to be forever though.
I think it's worse to sit idle while buying groceries on the credit card, etc and learning nothing practical (I don't know if that's your situation, just making en example).
Anyone can wait a table or stock shelves or do meager slave work. Those jobs are for high school students or part-time jobs for first and second year college students.

Waiting on people, working for minimum wage, $10/hour, or less than minimum wage (restaurant jobs) is not something I would ever do because I already receive $10,000/year for doing nothing. I'm not going to be like the groveling slaves of society working for nothing and accepting poor paying jobs that don't give me anything or get me anywhere. A 40 hour/week minimum wage job with maybe 6 hours commuting, taxes, and whatever else would only be $13,000 after-tax. They did away with pensions to cut costs and give more to CEOs. Many jobs in America have poor benefits plans and don't even give vacations. I would just say screw it and take 4 weeks off per year without pay because I wouldn't tolerate that. If I got fired, then whatever. I'm not going to be an underpaid, stressed out corporate lackey working for nothing. I am better than that. People younger than me or less intelligent that were constantly partying or being wild are getting jobs. I will not grovel or accept a meager job with poor pay.

I said before that it's better to be poor than working poor. The poor in America actually get more than the working poor.
While poverty is often associated with joblessness, a significant proportion of the poor are actually employed. Largely because they are earning such low wages, the working poor face numerous obstacles that make it difficult for many of them to find and keep a job, save up money, and maintain a sense of self-worth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_poor
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Cornfed wrote:
zacb wrote:Well, someone mentioned you can earn 1-2k in Guatamala at phone banks, getting taxed only 7% tops, in the mid east there is large demand for teachers, oil workers, and tech workers, and they pay very well. Mexico's economy is thriving. Fort Mac in Canada and the Dakotas in the states are booming. I hear David, Panama is looking for a lot of cooks and IT people, as well as other types of workers If you have a portable trade like writing, computer programming, HVAC maintenance, being a dealer or trader of some type, investing, among other things. In terms of areas, Chile, Paraguay, Colombia, Panama, Mexico, Bolivia, Myanmar, Cambodia, Angola, Rwanda, Macedonia, Bulgaria, among other countries all have entrepreneurial potential (especially tech in Eastern Europe).
So you're just being silly then.
Uhm no, matter of fact many people on this forum have mentioned several things I have mentioned (In reference to the Guatemala gig, mid east gigs, Fort Mac, ). As for the others, I admit you would likely need some seed capital, but with enough gumption you can get in on the ground floor. But here is the thing: if it is indeed hopeless, you might as well just put a bullet to your (not cornfed, a person in general) head. The only other way is to get the hell out of the US (after developing a needed skill) and go where there is still some semblance of a market. Moral: either shoot the bastards (which people will probably not understand any ways), shoot yourself, be content as shit gets real, or get the hell out.
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Tsar wrote:
droid wrote:The thing is, you're still operating entirely on theory alone, on every aspect Tsar. Some day you will have to step into actual practice under less than ideal conditions. And you know I'm not talking only business here.

You may be entitled to a job that suits your liking and provides x amount. But the reality says otherwise, unfair or not.
Especially in your field, I really doubt someone will let you loose with some "investments" right off the bat. Most likely you will have to start by doing some basic accounting in front of the computer all day, building some rapport before companies trust you. Or perhaps working your way up into the management of a restaurant or something like that.
I'm not a business expert myself, but I'd dare to say that business resembles engineering more and more nowadays.

You're right in that with less than $30K you only tread water these days, but you have to consider that as an investment, while you learn something and build up experience. It doesn't have to be forever though.
I think it's worse to sit idle while buying groceries on the credit card, etc and learning nothing practical (I don't know if that's your situation, just making en example).
Anyone can wait a table or stock shelves or do meager slave work. Those jobs are for high school students or part-time jobs for first and second year college students.

Waiting on people, working for minimum wage, $10/hour, or less than minimum wage (restaurant jobs) is not something I would ever do because I already receive $10,000/year for doing nothing. I'm not going to be like the groveling slaves of society working for nothing and accepting poor paying jobs that don't give me anything or get me anywhere. A 40 hour/week minimum wage job with maybe 6 hours commuting, taxes, and whatever else would only be $13,000 after-tax. They did away with pensions to cut costs and give more to CEOs. Many jobs in America have poor benefits plans and don't even give vacations. I would just say screw it and take 4 weeks off per year without pay because I wouldn't tolerate that. If I got fired, then whatever. I'm not going to be an underpaid, stressed out corporate lackey working for nothing. I am better than that. People younger than me or less intelligent that were constantly partying or being wild are getting jobs. I will not grovel or accept a meager job with poor pay.

I said before that it's better to be poor than working poor. The poor in America actually get more than the working poor.
While poverty is often associated with joblessness, a significant proportion of the poor are actually employed. Largely because they are earning such low wages, the working poor face numerous obstacles that make it difficult for many of them to find and keep a job, save up money, and maintain a sense of self-worth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_poor
Wait wtf? I am not saying 10k is much, but if you are indeed receiving 10k as it is, go! In many places you could live quite well on that.
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Where/who is this $10K coming from?
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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6 pages and still no true solutions.

Do any of you ever get tired of all this back and forth nonsense?
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SilverEnergy wrote:6 pages and still no true solutions.
Of course there are no true solutions. If we could solve major world problems involving the entire world economy by posting on a forum thread, we would be living gods.
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Cornfed wrote:
SilverEnergy wrote:6 pages and still no true solutions.
Of course there are no true solutions. If we could solve major world problems involving the entire world economy by posting on a forum thread, we would be living gods.
Well, Loki err...I mean Tsar fancies himself a living god. Everything and everyone is beneath him LOL
But I'm getting the feeling I'm the one being leeched off of in part for his $10K... I could be wrong.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Hahah lol I love those four pimps. It's obvious they hired the slimmest harlots, I can't blame them. Good luck trying to pull that off in the states...

I don't know why you have a problem with that, I guess because they didn't hire YOU. But I think it's a private enterprise, it's their money, as long as
it's not some government forced quota... and I don't think this is the case.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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droid wrote:
Hahah lol I love those four pimps. It's obvious they hired the slimmest harlots, I can't blame them. Good luck trying to pull that off in the states...

I don't know why you have a problem with that, I guess because they didn't hire YOU. But I think it's a private enterprise, it's their money, as long as
it's not some government forced quota... and I don't think this is the case.
It happens all the time all over the Western world. I explain what is wrong with the situation in this thread.
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droid wrote:Where/who is this $10K coming from?
Waiting on people, working for minimum wage, $10/hour, or less than minimum wage (restaurant jobs) is not something I would ever do because I already receive $10,000/year for doing nothing
For those that missed that. Hell I would kill for that. Unless it is dependent on you living in the US you are freaking set (at least for low cost countries).
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zacb wrote:For those that missed that. Hell I would kill for that. Unless it is dependent on you living in the US you are freaking set (at least for low cost countries).
You're correct. So it wouldn't really help someone that wants to live abroad.
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Tsar wrote:
zacb wrote:For those that missed that. Hell I would kill for that. Unless it is dependent on you living in the US you are freaking set (at least for low cost countries).
You're correct. So it wouldn't really help someone that wants to live abroad.
So it is dependent on you staying in the country? And if so, are you staying with someone or on your own? Perhaps you could start by doing small time import export if your funds allow.
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droid wrote:Well, Loki err...I mean Tsar fancies himself a living god. Everything and everyone is beneath him LOL
But I'm getting the feeling I'm the one being leeched off of in part for his $10K... I could be wrong.
The Class Pyramid of the World

The Elite Billionaires
Billionaire
Halfway to a Billion+ or Royalty or Dictator
Megamillionaire+
$50 Millionaire+
$10 Millionaire+
Millionaire Dollar+> Upper Class
Upper Class> Middle Class
Middle Class> Lesser Middle Class
Lesser Middle Class> Below Median Class
Below Median> Poor
Poor> Working Poor

I would be willing to begin at the Lesser Middle Class. However, being Working Poor or Below Median Class (only marginally better than Working Poor) are worse options than being poor. Being Working Poor or Below Median Class won't allow me to go abroad, save money, meet my living expenses, and get an ideal girl.


Indentured Servants (people with a lot of student loan debt or too much debt)
The Western Slaves (minimum wage job holders that don't earn a livable wage. This can overlap with working poor, but the working poor might be marginally better)
The underclass (mostly in third world nations or strong caste societies)

Other Groups
The Exo-Class (Prison Populations that have nothing waiting for them when they get out, or the ones that will never get out)
The Not Classy (The Gangstas and unrefined human beings that are usually found in Anglo countries)
The Classless (Many tribal societies such as those that live in the Amazon. They might have a chief but many live as a commune and as equals)
Literal Slaves (sold into slavery)
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I don't really see a point to continuing this thread. It's mostly pointless talking about something that is mostly outside of my own independent control. Either I will get a decent job or I won't. Talking about it won't change anything. Unless this post is about debating the general situation of employment and unemployment, I don't see any point in talking about my personal situation. I could do other things in the meantime and hope they work out. Other than getting lucky and being successful at something I do on my own or being lucky enough to get a decent job, nothing that's said can change circumstances on their own.
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Tsar wrote:I don't really see a point to continuing this thread. It's mostly pointless talking about something that is mostly outside of my own independent control. Either I will get a decent job or I won't. Talking about it won't change anything. Unless this post is about debating the general situation of employment and unemployment, I don't see any point in talking about my personal situation. I could do other things in the meantime and hope they work out. Other than getting lucky and being successful at something I do on my own or being lucky enough to get a decent job, nothing that's said can change circumstances on their own.
I don't see the point either.You only just came here to vent about something that many people such as myself, when i was in the U.S. have complained about, but all these holier than thou guys come on her just to judge you and blame you so they can feel superior.This i why i don't like to talk about this subject because it brings out all the guys yelling "pull yourself up by the bootstraps bla bla bla"
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