10 years in Thailand and still single

[Yohan]

Very few MGTOW's are probably happy being single. If they are, they are either:

1) Genuine asexual, or lacking testosterone and a healthy sex drive
2) Seeing hookers or having casual sex regularly to satisfy their needs somehow, and fine with this
3) Bullshitting about how awesome their life choices are to drown out the voice of doubt in the back of their heads

Well, you might add to this list, that many MGTOW are happy being single again after a bitter divorce.

This is especially true in cases where are children to consider as well... and to pay not only for them, but also for the ex-wife.

A huge number of foreign expats in Asia are in this category. They prefer to be single in future, as they are afraid of legal consequences should they try again and their relationship is breaking up again, even in case of no wrongdoing by them. - And I cannot say, they are wrong to refuse any connection with a female in their future.

In Western countries, as man, you might survive financially a divorce, if done while still very young after a short marriage and start again from zero. However if the divorce takes place many years after marriage and still with minor children, you are financially out for decades - and not to talk about a second divorce.

Luckily I was never divorced - I lost only about 2 years of my income for dating Western females, but I learnt my lesson - I have understandings for men who after divorce are rejecting any idea to share again their room with a female.

USA is especially bad regarding legal fees, which can result in bills of several USD 100.000s..., UK is especially bad in court rulings, which clearly favor the woman and the man is left with paying alimony for life to the ex-wife, often up to 40 years until his retirement.

Why should a man, divorced, take such a risk again?

I always like to walk around while on vacation talking to other Western foreign men in Thailand and Philippines of my age and don't ask me what stories they are telling me. Most of them never expected to end up in Asia as MGTOW, but it is better to have at least the half of your retirement allowance in Asia after divorce from a Western woman - you can live with that, but in Western countries they will survive only by social welfare, living in poverty.

What other choice do they have? To live alone is not only about asexuals, sex-tourists looking for cheap hookers or plainly bullshitting about this or that. Many men were badly treated by females in their past. they are mistrusting for good reason.

[lasttry]

Diminished sex drive definitely helps with MGTOW, as does having a bunch of notches under your belt (so as to be able to give a snappy comeback if someone accuses you of sour grapes), as does learning to masturbate properly. In particular, learning to be multi-orgasmic, avoid peak orgasm, and awaken your inner female so that you can have sex with that female while masturbating. I'd still recommend MGTOW to young men (AFTER they get those notches, either freebies or with hookers) but MacrosZeitola is right that there will be severe self-doubts until your 40's, and beyond that if you have sexual inhibitions about masturbation and/or about awakening your inner female.

I'd still rather have a real girlfriend and I continue to be on the lookout, but I'm unwilling to settle for anything less than high quality at this point. High quality doesn't mean young, since I have no problems with women in their 50's or even 60's who are well-preserved, but it does mean someone who I enjoy being around. I have zero tolerance for annoying people of any sort in my personal life at this point, and especially not annoying women in my bed. Life is too short to waste with annoying people.

Sex with a high quality woman would give me like 10% more pleasure than masturbation, and sex is like 10% of my life, so the overall improvement in my happiness with a high quality woman rather than masturbation would be 10% of 10% or 1%. Whereas bringing a low quality woman into my life could totally destroy my happiness. Too many men fail to think rationally like this, but instead let their little head control their big head.

[Jester]

bangledesh and myanmar are definitely not good countries to go to.

Bengali friend told me Bangladesh is a GREAT place to get a young wife.

Also, one of my sons, who has lived in and traveled around Eastern Europe, visited Myanmar a couple of years ago and had a blast. Nice friendly people. Beautiful landscape. He toyed with moving there, but is continuing his fast-track corporate career instead.

[drronnie]

yeah who cares about that stu ff when your lonely and complaining on happier abroad. If you truly love it you wouldn't complain and shout how great you love MGTOW. i respect the mgtow guys who actually enjoy being single, not the ones who pretend to and then complain about it which is almost every poster here.

Very few MGTOW's are probably happy being single. If they are, they are either:

1) Genuine asexual, or lacking testosterone and a healthy sex drive

2) Seeing hookers or having casual sex regularly to satisfy their needs somehow, and fine with this

3) Bullshitting about how awesome their life choices are to drown out the voice of doubt in the back of their heads

there is a famous mgtow guy on youtube and hes admitted the decline in his sex drive in his 30's and 40's was a big reason why now he can enjoy his mgtow lifestyle he has no need for female bonding like before. He is one of the few i think can get away with mgtow. For whtever reason some people have a drop in testosterone levels and sex drive and need for a partner in their 30's and 40's it seems and some dont.

Well as do not think people deserve to be called a fake MGTOW but like in my case maybe a purple piller. Of course every man would love to have a lovely female partner but sometimes one has to acknowledge that it is harder in reality

[drronnie]

Honestly not too much. Had a couple of dates but was not able to generate much interest and girls all seemed to be more interested in my finances than me

[Yohan]

Honestly not too much. Had a couple of dates but was not able to generate much interest and girls all seemed to be more interested in my finances than me

If you are a simple young man, earning an average Thai salary, you are often single, like Drronnie.

You will find plenty of information about Thai girls, but almost nothing about ordinary Thai man, as nobody cares what is going on with them.

Thailand is like that, and it is interesting that on this Happierabroad Forum - which is strongly into foreign women and relocation - there are basically ZERO members posting anything nice about Thai women.

Most foreign men I know living in the same condominium complex as I do during my vacation in Pattaya are men in their 60+, most of them from Europe (Scandinavia) and Northern America (often from Western Canada), they are living with a Thai woman and they agree to give the girl every day a certain amount of money for her savings in return for her service.

These foreign men can pay easily because of retirement allowances, and if they are not willing to pay anymore or if the girl is overdemanding, she is moving out, looks for any other man.

It seems it's the system, considered normal, as many Thai men and their parents also pay money to the girl and her parents. Many girls who are not considered to fit the Thai man are ending up with foreign men, some of them considerably older than the girl.

Somewhat medieval, but it works like that. Nobody is really 'forced' to live that life-style. It seems for many Thai it's just the way as it is, regardless if this is a stupid bad-looking girl from a farm or a top class female university student with a model-figure.

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When I am in Philippines, local people around my Filipina fosterdaughter are laughing, this kind of life-style is unknown. Of course they also expect somehow the foreign husband to give something to the parents of the wife, but it is voluntary.

The point in Thailand is that financial support is demanded in advance and remarkably openly in a rather aggressive way by the girl AND her parents. - Give me (or give her) this or that - or I (or she) will not make love with you - What a kind of marriage is that?

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While Thailand is fine for fun vacation, girls and beaches, and while visa requirements for long-stay after retirement and conditions to buy your own rooms are easy, I would be careful spending money for a long-term relationship with a Thai woman.

I know also some upper-class broken families, for example a woman in medical profession, she has money, land, house, daughters grown up, a big income, and still she is demanding money from any man talking with her. Another one I know is a widow, very rich, medical doctor, still expects every man she meets to pay for her, same with a rich woman I know working in hotel management. She is rich, always asking for money. - Somewhat normal obviously for a Thai man, but not my way of life.

I am already with a Japanese wife, but in case being single again, I would prefer to look for a woman from elsewhere (Philippines, Malaysia, Japan etc.) and bringing her into Thailand. I do not have any private connection with any Thai, despite I am many times in Thailand.

My opinion out of what I have seen so far:
Enjoy a good life in Thailand with good accomodation, good food, bars and beaches etc. but never participate in any political activity and stay away from falling in love with a Thai girl.

[drronnie]

Thanks for the post Yohan. Your post is spot on since I understand the language and still find it hard to understand the agenda of Thai women who mostly want to be provided for.

However Thai men when they are young and students still get laid for free but when the girls get older they are more focused on the money

[drronnie]

Well as do not think people deserve to be called a fake MGTOW but like in my case maybe a purple piller. Of course every man would love to have a lovely female partner but sometimes one has to acknowledge that it is harder in reality

Some men legitimately don't care whether they have a partner or not. They are arguably the minority, but they exist. You aren't one of these men, because you keep mentioning the fact that you are still single about once in every four or five posts you make, and it's the subject of most of your threads to the point of it getting hugely repetative.

Forget about red pills, blue pills and purple pills, and get to the core issue: you are clearly unhappy being single... but what are you doing about it?

Guess if someone has awkward social skills then he would be ignored whether in the West or in Asian countries.

[droid]

Sex with a high quality woman would give me like 10% more pleasure than masturbation,

You claim to be more uninhibited and highly sensitive, yet claim only a 10% difference, it doesn't make any sense. Marcos is onto something by saying you are still in the closet dude.
I can't even begin to describe how many orders or magnitude being with a hot chick is better than masturbation for ALL senses -mind and body-, yummy, as sex is not just about one's d*ck of course.

[droid]

girls all seemed to be more interested in my finances than me

For the love of god everybody brings this up everywhere.
I want to meet a gold digger, i've never seen a chick interested in my finances lol. sorry to keep repeating this but i just don't see this aspect anywhere.

[droid]

Guess if someone has awkward social skills then he would be ignored whether in the West or in Asian countries.

Agreed. The only cure is to either improve your social skills signficantly through interaction

Both very true, an awkward dude can ALWAYS shoot himself in the foot. But at least it's easier/worthy to improve where people are more authentic.

[S_Parc]

In particular, learning to be multi-orgasmic, avoid peak or***m, and awaken your inner female so that you can have sex with that female while masturbating. I'd still recommend MGTOW to young men (AFTER they get those notches, either freebies or with hookers) but MacrosZeitola is right that there will be severe self-doubts until your 40's, and beyond that if you have sexual inhibitions about masturbation and/or about awakening your inner female.

This sounds like Mantak Chia's sexual Taoist training. If so and that's actually what you're doing, for real as oppose to just reading the books, then you don't need this forum.

[newlifeinphilippines]

Guess if someone has awkward social skills then he would be ignored whether in the West or in Asian countries.

Agreed. The only cure is to either improve your social skills signficantly through interaction, or to acquire substantial wealth. Or do what many other men have done before you: try to date using the internet. A tricky business, I'll admit, but a shy man's best bet. It's easier to be a lot more bold and daring through text then it is face-to-face.

yeah as much as i know the dating sites are full of leeches and scammers and gold diggers i think for the average guy its their best bet. Its not like a shy guy is suddenly gonna have this raging confidence that allows them to get a higher quality of woman in real l ife. There are cute girls that will give you attention in real life but you still have to approach and win them over etc. I think if i ever go to asia again im gonna practice more of the socializing aspect and getting out there as a tourist and less focus on dating sites. I think dating sites can be a crutch especially when most of the women are no good there. Dating site is good for when your new to a country and need a girl as a tourist guide or more to help introduce you but you have to be careful and not get oneitis or turn it into a relationship thats where my mistakes happened. If your gonna use that strategy you probably want to talk to many girls and make it clear your just a friend.

[lasttry]

In particular, learning to be multi-orgasmic, avoid peak or***m, and awaken your inner female so that you can have sex with that female while masturbating. I'd still recommend MGTOW to young men (AFTER they get those notches, either freebies or with hookers) but MacrosZeitola is right that there will be severe self-doubts until your 40's, and beyond that if you have sexual inhibitions about masturbation and/or about awakening your inner female.

This sounds like Mantak Chia's sexual Taoist training. If so and that's actually what you're doing, for real as oppose to just reading the books, then you don't need this forum.

Of course I'm doing it for real. Solo path has advantages for those with a shortage of time or money and/or who can't find a suitable partner for the dual path. That was me when I was younger. Now I'm retired and hence have a surplus of both time and money, so no reason not to try the dual path as a way of using up these surpluses. Can't think of a better way to use them up.

[S_Parc]

This sounds like Mantak Chia's sexual Taoist training. If so and that's actually what you're doing, for real as oppose to just reading the books, then you don't need this forum.

Of course I'm doing it for real. Solo path has advantages for those with a shortage of time or money and/or who can't find a suitable partner for the dual path. That was me when I was younger. Now I'm retired and hence have a surplus of both time and money, so no reason not to try the dual path as a way of using up these surpluses. Can't think of a better way to use them up.

As you've probably guessed from many of my postings here, I'm a rather practical person when it comes to these issues. In fact, I'd say that the *Search for El Dorado* is a greater source of unhappiness than being psychologically self-sufficient.

If you actually succeed at the "retention" exercises, safely, I'd even recommend a RealDoll with your practice. In fact, I'd say that the doll has helped my GF and I get closer, a lot more than her, listening to some 3rd party counselor. I'm going to create my own thread about this topic down the road. I'd call this the interface between kinesiology and energy practices. It's done wonders for our intimacy (as our friendship/relationship was always rock solid) and I believe that for a sole individual, assuming that you're doing those *solo practitioner* things in some balanced manner, it'll probably also do wonders for you.