Can Feminism exist along with traditional roles?

[Inter2002]

I was thinking if it's possible for a society to have both feminism and traditional roles? One example would be both men and women have equal opportunities, also there's no double standard. How many times do we hear on the news whenever it's a female teacher having sex within an underage male student, the law isn't harsh with the female teacher. But when it's the other way around the male teacher gets labeled child molester, pedophile, rapist, and gets thrown 20-30 years or more in prison.

People say that feminism has created gender inequality where men have less rights are labeled as Misogynist.


http://www.infowars.com/radical-feminis ... young-men/

[Ghost]

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[Inter2002]

Since one goal of feminism is to erase traditional gender roles, I think the answer is a very straightforward "no."

Well that sucks. I'm all for women having the right to vote, to learn to read, to go to school/college, drive, work, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S NO DOUBLE STANDARDS. As well as having traditional gender roles to an extent as well.

This gets me into thinking about gender roles when it comes to what both genders wear as well as swimwear. What do you think of the topless movement that's happening in parts of the world?

[Wolfeye]

First off, there isn't the same instance of person even with identical twins- so "equality" or "equivalency" is an untrue sentiment. As far as not being treated like second-class citizens or outright enemies, sure- that's possible with traditional roles. If my woman did most of the house & kids stuff while I did most of the "heavy lifting" & providing/supplying stuff, I don't think that would generate an "ambient beating" from me to her.

I think that people notice that the man is in a situation where he can screw over the whole family & has a tendancy to get a swelled head about "all that he does." It's a lot like with the government & various corporations- you need resources to do things, however materialistic you may or may not be. In this case, the man is the general source of things- instead of being the source of raw materials that the chick makes into things. The woman more or less would make those important materials into something useful. A fur isn't really all that useful until it's made into a coat, for instance.

[MrMan]

I was thinking if it's possible for a society to have both feminism and traditional roles?

Sure, if the individuals with the traditional roles don't subscribe to feminist philosophy. Some people are feminists, some aren't. The problem is that feminist thought poisons those who don't think they subscribe to it. Schools and the media push it. Parents need to teach their children that there are different male and female roles. Husbands lead and protect. Wives submit and nurture.

[Yohan]

Can Feminism exist along with traditional roles?

Of course, the answer is NO.

Nowadays feminism is a hate-movement against men, especially against fathers and ex-husbands.
It's about demanding advantages and privileges solely out of the female gender without any other reasonable justification.

Equality only when it fits me, me and me. I feel somewhat feminism is a form of extortion - without money and otherwise support from elsewhere, the non-productive feminist movement could not exist.

[Inter2002]

Can Feminism exist along with traditional roles?

Of course, the answer is NO.

Nowadays feminism is a hate-movement against men, especially against fathers and ex-husbands.
It's about demanding advantages and privileges solely out of the female gender without any other reasonable justification.

Equality only when it fits me, me and me. I feel somewhat feminism is a form of extortion - without money and otherwise support from elsewhere, the non-productive feminist movement could not exist.

Well that sucks. I always had thought that feminism was all about EQUAL GENDER RIGHTS not about ABANDONING TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES. Well I'm all for both men and women having the right to vote, drive, go to school, learn to read and write, drink, work. But I'm against DOUBLE STANDARDS where a female high school teacher has sex with an underage student she only gets some light penalty, whereas if it was a man he would be quickly labeled as a pedophile, rapist, molester and get thrown to prison for a long time. This by the way reminds me of the high profile case of Mary Kay Letourneau, You see everyone feels sorry for her. If it was the other way around hell would break lose. Why does May Kay Letourneau get a light slap on the face from the law?! She should be thrown in prison for a long time and be registered as a sex offender forever just like any male sex offenders do! It one of those things that really pisses me off!

I mean it's no different than an armed white bank robber decides to rob a convenient store, to then be only in jail for a short time or just get probation. Whereas a black bank robber gets thrown in prison for a long time. How often do we hear on the news that after 20-30 years a DNA test proofed these inmates innocent of the crime and all of them happen to be African American. You never hear one about a white prisoner.

So therefore THERE HAS TO BE EQUALITY BUT no on whether it be race, gender, religion, creed, sexual orientation is better or worse or should get a harsher or lighter sentence because of their race and gender.

[Ghost]

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[Inter2002]

Since one goal of feminism is to erase traditional gender roles, I think the answer is a very straightforward "no."

Well that sucks. I'm all for women having the right to vote, to learn to read, to go to school/college, drive, work, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S NO DOUBLE STANDARDS. As well as having traditional gender roles to an extent as well.

This gets me into thinking about gender roles when it comes to what both genders wear as well as swimwear. What do you think of the topless movement that's happening in parts of the world?

There is no such thing as equality. Contrary to feminist beliefs that gender is a social construct, it is assuredly not, and there is no such thing as equality. There are immutable differences between the sexes. (I don't prefer to use the word gender - it's a loaded feminist term.) Feminism is about female chauvinism - female superiority. It is inherently destructive towards males (and females - well, society as a whole really - but that is another topic) and parasitic. Consider how feminist "equality" requires extracting money from men (taxes) in order to enforce "equality." It seeks not even to raise females, but to lower males. Extract wealth from men and give it to women - who are good at spending of course. Ah, there's so much to talk about, but it would take several books worth to flesh out. Long story short, though: equality is a myth.

Well I must say that I would have to agree with half of what you've said. This reminds me of a listening to a controversial radio show and this author was talking about how the bodies of both male and female are created differently and therefore the standards that the military sets for the soldiers are male standards. So therefore females can't join in the military. Often religious conservative Christians talk about the story about Adam and Eve, 1950s society, and the traditional sex roles.


Saying that there's difference between a man and a woman is like saying there's a difference between a black, Asian, and a white person. I don't know if that would be a good analogy. With the exception that there is physical racial differences.

[Yohan]

Well that sucks. I always had thought that feminism was all about EQUAL GENDER RIGHTS not about ABANDONING TRADITIONAL GENDER ROLES. Well I'm all for both men and women having the right to vote, drive, go to school, learn to read and write, drink, work. But I'm against DOUBLE STANDARDS

Nowadays feminism is NOT about equal gender rights. Nowadays feminism is about leaving your family and abandon your husband and your sons (Linda Hirshman) - feminism is also totally into a new different form of justice (as women are different) and is going even so far to demand to shut down all jails for female offenders. - The workplace should be equally divided in a so-called quota-regulation, which demands at least 40 percent of all employees (but only those in higher position of course) must be women regardless their qualification.

Nowadays feminism wants to send men to jail as sex-offenders, considering them as guilty despite there is no proof for that except the word of a woman against his word. - Of course when it comes out that all is merely a false rape allegation, the woman walks out free of the courtroom with a short community work sentence for filing a wrong police report.

Women are not violent, says the feminist - however research, rarely published, points out that women are at least as violent as men and often instigating and provoking violent and otherwise criminal behavior of men.

In my own native strongly pro-feminist country in Central Europe, women retire with 60 and men with 65 - but as you said they are against DOUBLE STANDARDS and do not understand why women get a lower retirement allowance than men. Therefore as men die earlier than women and working more years than women, there is money left over in the male retirement fond, while money is missing in the female retirement fond. Instead to increase the pension for men, the leftover is being transferred to the female retirement fond... Fair? I don't think so.

Military services are obligatory und unpaid in my native country, of course for men only. For women there is nothing, even no obligatory community service like hospital helper - instead we offer contracts to Filipinas and other immigrants to do these jobs...

Yes, this is feminism... You might also check out the educational sector, with mainly women as teachers, telling boys what not to do and girls what to do etc. etc. - Feminism is now everywhere, I also wonder if women get so little pay, why companies are still willing to employ male workers...

There is even a public restroom regulation existing in USA and some other countries - 2 toilet cubes are reserved for women, but for men 1 urinal is good enough, because women need do much longer to piss... so it is fair to calculate restrooms 2:1.

In feminist crazy Norway, women were demanding to removal of urinals even in elementary schools, as boys should not do what girls cannot.

There are plenty of stories about what feminism really means, some demands about equality are comical, some others however are seriously a pain, especially for divorced men and fathers.

[fschmidt]

http://www.coalpha.org/Double-Standards-tp6354329.html

[Wolfeye]

They were demanding that urinals be removed because girls can't (easily) use them? That's f***ing stupid. A guy shouldn't do what he can, only what a girl can? Does that mean he should comport his life in a counterfactual way? Why doesn't the girl (or, rather, the women bitching about it) just piss standing up?

That's like demanding that women don't have maternity leave because men can't be mothers!

[Anatol]

Currently 95% of the world is feminist {(equal rights for females)}. We need a miracle to stop this disease and to stop the STUPID men around the world who keep emulating USA.