It's easier to go MGTOW than it is to become a PUA

[Adama]

You're a prime example of why MGTOW is bad.

Sometimes I think, Adama is a troll - he offers nothing but some copy/paste from the Bible.
I think, he is a rather misguided lonely individual with nobody next to him far away from the reality of daily life.

He is against MGTOW, because they do not approach certain women.
He is against PUA because they approach women too much - basically whatever you do as a man with women, Adama is against it.

Adult women who agree for sex with men and gave their full consent to go ahead are considered to be children in his mindset, they are not responsible for their decision, they are helpless victims.

If you listen to Adama and you take his teachings seriously you will feel ashamed of yourself as a straight man and father, praying for forgiveness.

I often wonder why Adama is writing comments for this forum - this is a forum for living abroad, looking for a foreign wife, exploring different countries, meet different people, different culture, different languages, different religions...

No, you are just simple-minded. I have not offered any copy and paste from the Bible in this thread. Since you insist that I have, in your genius, quote it here right now and show everyone in this thread where I have pasted from the Bible.

I never said women are children. I said they are easily led and easily manipulated. These are psychological techniques and you fools don't even know how powerful those techniques are, because either you hate western women, or you simply lack the intellectual capability to see that using psychological manipulation to get someone into bed who ordinarily wouldn't have intercourse with you AND dumping them afterward is a major crime against that person. That is USING another person. You don't see how that is wrong, because you lack a soul and higher reasoning. You're just a simple person. That's why you can't see it and you accuse me of things which I haven't even done.

This forum is about foreign cultures, which correct, but since you are very smart, you'll look at the title of this thread and see that it is about PUA and MGTOW which I was discussing in this thread with other forum members.

Yohan, you are one whose mouth should be stopped. You give advice which you can't even remember, and advice which is extremely damaging to younger minds such as Nomad. You are and other MGTOW are partly responsible for spreading this hateful, illogical ideology.

[Adama]

If a woman sleeps with a man right away, it doesn't necessarily means she's a whore. Lots of guys are going around promising relationships with women and dumping them as soon as the act is done.
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sometimes the woman really wants the man, but the man only wants to have sex, and that sex only one time, and then he dumps her.

I noticed you said 'sometimes', what does this mean? Sounds to me more the exemption, for sure the majority of women are not like that.

How is this different with men who are badly treated by women?

How many women are going around promising a relationship with a man who really wants to have a relationship with this woman, and she sleeps one time with him and then she dumps HIM. Women are often treating men like a piece of shit. Who cares about them?
Works both ways, I would say.

There are lots of whores going around promising men relationships and dumping them. Go back to see where I said if a woman gets married to a rich man and leaves him when he's broke, it's wrong. I am against people committing evil against each other, male or female.

Since you are a MGTOW fool, you don't see that I hold both parties accountable but this thread is only about MEN, specifically PUA and MGTOW. I listed the crimes men commit against women, while acknowledging the crimes that women commit against men as equally wrong

Does it take seven or eight times to sink in for you MGTOW to get the message that I wasn't absolving women but rather only listing the bad things that PUA commit against OTHER PEOPLE who just happen to be women?

Women are committing crimes against men and it is at least as terribly wrong as what PUAs are doing to random women. They both need to stop. But we already know women are the problem. This thread, if you were paying attention, WAS NOT ABOUT WOMEN BUT ABOUT THE MEN OF PUA AND MGTOW.

Haha, simple little details escape your mind.

[Nomad]

Don't write back to me, ever.

Oh i'm sorry, but thats not how a forum works. Forums are places where people talk and discuss different view points from their own. This isn't a echo chamber where you get to personally choose who and what topics get interacted with. If the forum is too hot for you, you are free to leave. But don't tell me I don't have a voice to speak, even to you. I'm sure you can find a ignore button if I irritate you too much.

I have never put women on a pedestal but instead insist that they know their place, which is in the subordinate position. That is the opposite of putting women on a pedestal.

So MGTOW is evil because they shun all women, but you want all women to bow down before you, with sandwiches in their hands?

My only point is that it is wrong to manipulate women into bed and then to dump them. That is a crime.

And no one is arguing with you on that point. Yet you insist to insult people here who agree with you on said point.

It is also a crime for women to fornicate. As far as I know though, this thread was about the pros and cons of MGTOW and PUA, not about women. PUAs are committing crimes against other people, who happen to be women. You just hate all women.

Yes, infact, I hate women so much, I married one! Now your just talking out of your ass dude.

You have crossed the line with insulting my Christianity in favor of MGTOW.

News flash, Im a christian too, so I would be insulting my own belief system. And don't say "my christianity", like your the only one who has ownership of it. For a christian, your lacking the fruit of the spirit in tolerance. I didn't join this conversation to insult you, only to give my point of view, but all you've done is attack me personally. I think the one who is doing the insulting is clearly you.

One does not imply or even relate to the other. You should have known better than to even think along the lines that my criticism of PUA or MGTOW have anything to do with Christianity or Our God. This is also irrelevant, which you can't even see.

I wasn't relating it to Christianity, I was simple making a point about your comments. Anyone can say "Your a prime example of X is bad", I just happen to throw in your faith, hoping you would get my point. Seems like it went over your head though.

Christianity has nothing to do with MGTOW, as you should easily recognize from all the atheists and God-haters in the group.

Yes, there is atheists and God-haters in MGTOW. There is also Christians in MGTOW. Just like there is "Gay Christians". Actually christianity has a lot to do with MGTOW, but your blind hatred against the idealogy prevents you from seeing how some of it does compare with Christian teachings. Not all of it of course, but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Your mind needs some serious help because it doesn't function right.

Again, with the personal statements. You can either talk like a normal person, say your piece, and we all share in the discussions, or you can sit there and keep throwing insults, but I assure you, they don't win you the argument.

[Adama]

Congratulations on having found a wife. As for anything else, I will not converse with you. You can say you've won. I just don't find you to be capable of objectivity.

[Nomad]

Congratulations of having found a wife. As for anything else, I will not converse with you. You can say you've won. I just don't find you to be capable of objectivity.

Well so be it. I've answered all your statements as objectively as possible, and you have answered none of mine. You just sit there and call names.

To be honest, I think the real reason you don't converse with me, is because you can't defend against my objectivity. But that is my opinion, of course, in your mind though, i'm probably just some sick MGTOW freak who needs help.

[Adama]

Now some women actively choose to go with a guy for one night and then nothing else. Those are real whores, but most women expect to have a relationship with a man if she's had sex with him.


It is worse when a woman had no intention of sleeping with a man, but because that man knew the right psychological buttons to press, she sleeps with him, when otherwise she would not have....

Are you dreaming? What nonsense are you writing? 'most women expect to have a relationship with a man if she's had sex with him' ???!!!

Most Western women are into men for sex for short-time and never see that boy again, many women have multiple boyfriends, just use one and if something is wrong (no money or gifts or travel etc.) away in the garbage, like a broken tool.

That's because you don't see reality but just your own personal sad experience with Western women. You only know a small part about women. There is a lot more to know. You only know that sad experience you had in Austria. There truly are normal women out there. You just were never able to connect with them. That might be because you're so sad you believe they can't exist and that all Western women are looking to have sex only with bad boys. That is a sad conclusion.

Even Winston agrees with me here. Most women are not giving away free sex without expectation of relationships. The problem is you never connected personally with enough Western women to realize this one fact of reality.

Unless a guy is very attractive to white women, he won't get free sex that easily. Unless of course, he's a smooth talker and lies to them by making promises he can't keep. Women are not wired to have casual sex with no strings attached. At least not most women. Unless they are desperate or nymphomaniacs. Or the guy is hot.

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This is why no men should join MGTOW. Their leaders are blind and can only lead others into trouble, because they don't see reality as it truly is. Yohan especially should not be giving any advice to young men.

[Yohan]

Yohan especially should not be giving any advice to young men.

Adama,

all what you can do with your big mouth is to try to insult me, but I can only laugh if I read your drivel.

I am married since almost 40 years (btw. what about you?), I am living abroad far away from my native country in Europe, no criminal record, never divorced, foreign wife of course, I have 2 daughters and 1 foster girl (all of them adults now and we always stay in contact), we have a nice home in Japan, but also in Thailand we have 2 condominium units, we have also some savings and since my 17th birthday I was never jobless, always working hard and later on earning enough to fully support my family.

So far I see no reason why young men should not listen to any advice from me and other MGTOWs.
Our members and I too of course, give advice mainly through our MGTOW Forum which is receiving enough donations to operate since many years, we refuse offers from advertisers.

I wonder however why anybody should listen to your drivel, nothing is known about your person, you are writing your comments out of anonymity, offering Christianity and feminism as solution and are not ashamed to belittle men if they suffer bad treatment from malicious women.

Your comments are ridiculous, but also somehow disgusting.

[Yohan]

Congratulations of having found a wife. As for anything else, I will not converse with you. You can say you've won. I just don't find you to be capable of objectivity.

Well so be it. I've answered all your statements as objectively as possible, and you have answered none of mine. You just sit there and call names.

To be honest, I think the real reason you don't converse with me, is because you can't defend against my objectivity. But that is my opinion, of course, in your mind though, i'm probably just some sick MGTOW freak who needs help.

Exactly my impression, nothing else what I could add to the comment of Nomad.

[Ghost]

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[Yohan]

Yohan, you are one whose mouth should be stopped. You give advice which you can't even remember, and advice which is extremely damaging to younger minds such as Nomad. You are and other MGTOW are partly responsible for spreading this hateful, illogical ideology.

Your comment sounds like calling for censorship. All what you do not like to hear has to be stopped. Unfortunately this is a free speech forum called for good reason 'Happier Abroad'. It's a place for men who are dissatisfied with their present position somewhere in Western countries and of course also with Western women and who like to hear stories and exchange opinions from other men who are expats now.

I have no idea who is Nomad, but I think he is mature enough to listen to my advice and then decide out of himself what to do and what not to do.
I cannot give 'orders' to anybody, I can only offer my personal opinion, what I would do in such a situation and what I would avoid.

I often wonder if you are not using the wrong forum. According to your postings, the ultimate happiness is with Jesus somewhere in churches in USA, the best girl is the (white) US-woman, and it's all the fault of the men if something is going wrong, because 'most women expect to have a relationship with a man if she's had sex with him'.

Next step: Yohan should be stopped (=banned). Thank you, Adama, I was really not thinking about that - What a great idea to solve dating issues in Western countries.

[Nomad]

Yohan, you are one whose mouth should be stopped. You give advice which you can't even remember, and advice which is extremely damaging to younger minds such as Nomad. You are and other MGTOW are partly responsible for spreading this hateful, illogical ideology.

Your comment sounds like calling for censorship. All what you do not like to hear has to be stopped. Unfortunately this is a free speech forum called for good reason 'Happier Abroad'. It's a place for men who are dissatisfied with their present position somewhere in Western countries and of course also with Western women and who like to hear stories and exchange opinions from other men who are expats now.

I have no idea who is Nomad, but I think he is mature enough to listen to my advice and then decide out of himself what to do and what not to do.
I cannot give 'orders' to anybody, I can only offer my personal opinion, what I would do in such a situation and what I would avoid.

I often wonder if you are not using the wrong forum. According to your postings, the ultimate happiness is with Jesus somewhere in churches in USA, the best girl is the (white) US-woman, and it's all the fault of the men if something is going wrong, because 'most women expect to have a relationship with a man if she's had sex with him'.

Next step: Yohan should be stopped (=banned). Thank you, Adama, I was really not thinking about that - What a great idea to solve dating issues in Western countries.

I just don't understand why he calls me young. Is 30 the new 20?

I get why he doesn't support MGTOW, but the name-calling gets old. Just agree to disagree.

BTW Yohan, me and my wife are planning to visit Japan, when we do, maybe you can hit me up with some places to visit? I want to get the most out of the experience.

[Yohan]

If we were going to look at your lifestyle and Yohan's lifestyle side by side, to the untrained eye it would seem like you are in fact the MGTOW

What? Adama as MGTOW in disguise? I rest my case.

[Adama]

While I disagree with Yohan on several issues, I admire and respect him for his lifestyle choices. Adama, you would do well to remember that, while you claim to be a traditional man and a child of Christ, Yohan is in fact the man who is living and has for the past 4 decades lived, the more conservative lifestyle; he is a married man, a father and grandfather, and you are, from what I know of you, a single man who's not that young anymore. If we were going to look at your lifestyle and Yohan's lifestyle side by side, to the untrained eye it would seem like you are in fact the MGTOW.

You're not even paying attention. Yohan himself thinks his own family, even his foster daughter, are nothing but a financial drain on his life. He even speculates in other threads that if he had a chance to do things over, he would not.

See below:

About myself, I was lucky in my life so far.

I was lucky, as I married young an Asian woman, moved to Asia, and now 39 years later, I am still married with the same wife, I also have 2 daughters and one of them pregnant, I will be grandfather soon. I also have a Filipina foster daughter.

But if you ask me if I do it again if I could repeat my life from the very beginning on? You might be surprised, but I think my answer is NO, and I cannot recommend anybody to do in future what I did in my past.


My life is nice, no problems at all, but without family I would be for sure in a much better position than I am now. Is it really worth to sacrifice yourself as a husband and father? To share a large part you earn because of your work? To risk your health because of excessive overtime? To work even when you feel sick?

Part of the reason why I am not so young but single is because for over a decade I subscribed to the MGTOW ideology of western female avoidance. That's why men like him need to stop giving advice. He doesn't know what he is talking about AT ALL. His experience is null and void. He doesn't even like having a family. He would rather have money, much more money to be "better off." So much for traditional.

I do not think if I had the chance to change my age and to start again as a young man that I will repeat what I did in my past.

For sure as a single man I would be now in a much better financial position and nevertheless without any obligations and responsibilities.

To marry again, to have children again? And what is next? To divorce? For what should this be good for? Why to take this high risk that something is going badly wrong with you even with your best intention?

I am now MGTOW, I am really risk-averse. I do not like being controlled and used by others.

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He ran all the way to Japan and had great success, but he doesn't value that success at all. Even though he loves the legal system there which he posts on regularly, he would not marry his own wife over again, and neither would he conceive either of his daughters again. Sounds like a loving, traditional man who values family over money, and who is courageous.

Is this what men should model themselves after? These men are giving terrible advice that younger men are following while these men are clueless about the most fundamental aspects of women and life. Listening to and following bozos like him will ruin your life which is why they should shut their mouths. They are as damaging to men as feminists are to women. Maybe if you weren't biased by your hatred of me and the truth you would accept that.

[Adama]

Yohan, you are one whose mouth should be stopped. You give advice which you can't even remember, and advice which is extremely damaging to younger minds such as Nomad. You are and other MGTOW are partly responsible for spreading this hateful, illogical ideology.

Your comment sounds like calling for censorship. All what you do not like to hear has to be stopped. Unfortunately this is a free speech forum called for good reason 'Happier Abroad'. It's a place for men who are dissatisfied with their present position somewhere in Western countries and of course also with Western women and who like to hear stories and exchange opinions from other men who are expats now.

I am not calling for censorship. I am calling for one of two things, maybe both: I ask that you all voluntary stop giving your MGTOW advice. You're as damaging to men as feminists are to women. You and your kind truly are warping young men's minds and ruining them. Or younger men should be warned against MGTOW so that they do not fall for the male version of feminism which would destroy their lives if they believed in it.

You're rather clueless about everything, just from reading your posts. You are in no way qualified to lead younger men, and you should voluntarily shut your mouth, before younger men fall for your bad advice. Truth is, you have no idea what you're even saying.

[Nomad]

Part of the reason why I am not so young but single is because for over a decade I subscribed to the MGTOW ideology of western female avoidance. That's why men like him need to stop giving advice. He doesn't know what he is talking about AT ALL. His experience is null and void. He doesn't even like having a family. He would rather have money, much more money to be "better off." So much for traditional.

Well I guess I understand you now. You went into MGTOW just like your average man, but the end result was loneliness. Now, you desperately want a wife / kids and you hate that people like Yohan and perhaps me, do have a wife, while you don't.