Taiwan is Boring, Repressed, Loveless, etc.

[Winston]

Wow, this thread is getting out of hand. I've skimmed through the last couple pages of exchanges and will just throw out a few off the cuff thoughts. I may return at a later time to give a more thorough response.

- I agree that a lot of white guys have very bad taste (according to my own standards). Here in Thailand, its really in your face. Young decent looking guys in Banglamphoo hanging out with nasty looking dark girls from the sticks of Issan. But, I do see some with quality too. Sometimes, I see these guys with innocent looking stunners from Chula or Bangkok U around the malls. And today, I met, through a mutual friend, a mixed (half German half Thai) 24 year old photo model chick who frequently hooks up with young farang and is currently with a big Aussie dude. As with many Luk Kreung, she was quite stunning in person as well as in the photos she showed me. In Taiwan too, some of the white guys choose gals who are not very impressive according to my own taste. But I have seen some real hotties with black guys. But hey, my taste is different too. The Taiwanese girls I like the most physically would probably be considered very attractive facially but somewhat overweight by the majority of local Taiwan guys.

- Good thing about Thai for someone like you Winston is that you can find a wide variety, spec wise, of low cost P4P in places like Pattaya while you slowly build-up your local language and social skills and hopefully succeed in moving into more mainstream Thai circles. I believe for many Thais, your Chinese appearance brings you closer to them than regular whites/blacks/arabs/etc. In fact, I've heard very often that Thais absolutely hate Indians (there is a large disporia here) and lump a lot of middle easterners in with them. If you do partak in P4P, you really should be very discreet abut it if you wanna hang in respectable circles. Do it the way Thai guys do, not typical foreigners. If you act like many white farang parading their rental girls around town, you will may find yourself shunned by polite society once the word gets around.

- Taiwan is a dating paradise for some. For others, its a dating hell, no better than the States. First thing I wanna make clear. I believe its a younger man's country. The average Joes I refer to tend to be white beta male types in the 25-35 year old range. A lot of Taiwan gals wanna try-out white guys. But of these, many do not intend to get serious. In fact, they often have local boyfriends. Of course, once things get going, its hard to control feelings (I've got a related story about my tenant which will come out in the interview highlights I post). Winston, no matter how western you feel, you are not a white guy so you do not appeal to these types. As for the gals who want ABCs, I understand they are quite picky about height, looks, dress, etc. So you fall out of their spec range too.

- If you asked some black Americans, they might tell you that Iceland is a sexual paradise with all kinds of blond girls offering up their booty for short term no strings attached fun. But for average Joe whities, it would be a sexual dessert. So the formula depends on both the person and place. Its not like any guy can do well in a given country.

- When I get back to Taiwan, I will discuss some of your questions w/my girlfriend and friend in Spain and post their feedback. I will also ask for their honest opinion about your appearance if you want me to (let me know).

- If I were you but unattached, I would give-up on Taiwan and focus on areas where I might be considered the most attractive as a prospective mate. Here's a few guesses:
BEST: Phils, 2nd and 3rd tier urban China, Vietnam, certain parts of Lat Am. I would add Thai for shorter term relationships.
WORST: Fully developed East Asia, Mongolia, developed English speaking world.

I don't care what your gf thinks of my appearance. Most Taiwanese guys are not better looking than me. Hell no. At least not in the smaller cities. A person has to sit down and talk to someone to really judge them.

Besides, women are not usually good at relating to guys' problems and issues. They cannot emphasize or relate to us and how we are treated. Some even think that guys have it easy. Many girls also do not like to admit anything negative and avoid it.

But you can ask your girlfriend if an asian guy with a white western personality, behavior and communication style would be seen as weird in Taiwan though.

Age is not the problem with me. When I was 17, Taiwanese did not talk to strangers either, or make eye contact with them. A few girls liked me, but they were poor and of darker skin.

Even though Taiwanese girls are picky, there must be many who are simple and humble and not that judgmental. There were many such types in my Generation X. Not so much with Generation Y.

The problem though, is meeting them. Most here are not comfortable meeting people they don't know. So it's hard to break the ice, without some connecting activity.

So even if there are many nice girls out there who would like me, "breaking the ice" and meeting them is still the main barrier.

It could also be, metaphysically speaking, that my critical writings about Taiwan and East Asians in general, have sort of created a "bad karma" for me with Taiwan that affects my luck and energy there, since after all, everything we do is an expression of "energy" that comes back to us in some way.

[Winston]

Winston

With all due respect, I believe most of those Russians (w a couple exceptions) just played you for some easy fun at best. I just don't understand how you can crave this type of fake relationships.

Most of them were not using me. They were just entertained at the novelty of meeting me and went along with the ride. Russians can say things for fun just for the sake of it and not follow through on anything. They don't care about consequences.

But like I said many times before, it's better than no attention at all.

Honestly, I'd rather even get used than totally ignored. Nothing is worse than when you're totally out of the game and feel like you don't exist.

You said you've experienced that before too, not existing at all to others, so you must understand how futile that feels, esp to someone who thrives on attention.

At least it's FUN and SOME sort of energy flows at least during the process, rather than none at all.

Stimulation, even passing stimulation, is far better than passing stimulation.

For example, when you eat a tasty plate of spaghetti, you know it's a passing experience, but you still enjoy it anyway and do not regret it. It's better than not eating it right? lol

[Rock]

Repatriate, but still, you made it sound like breaking into cliques was easy. It is not, esp in conservative countries. You don't just break into a clique by walking up to people and saying "Hey what's up? Nice weather we're having huh?"

And even if you make a friend or two, it doesn't mean they will introduce you to anyone, esp if they think that their friends are too shy to meet someone new.

I may make some hasty generalizations, but you make some bold assumptions here. Reality does not fit into formulas.

Also, in Taiwan, when someone says they will hook you up with someone, most of the time, they don't. They just say it for fun. You know that if you're Taiwanese. Come on now.

And like in America, many people flake too.

I still don't understand why Rock compared Taiwanese women to Russian women though. No guy who has been to both Russia and Taiwan would claim that they are the same in terms of openness to strangers. Not even close.

If they were even remotely similar, then how come my cousin's son said after watching Julia and Katya's antics in my videos, that "There is no way you could ever find girls in Taiwan that are that open and carefree. No way."

Again, how come no one can show me any "open girls in Taiwan" in person? NO ONE! But I can show you plenty of "open girls" in the Philippines in person. 100 percent guaranteed. And I have.

Why am I the only one willing to show proof of what I say? That's why many say that I'm credible. My friend Jeff, who recently talked to Steve Hoca, told Steve that me and his other friend are the ONLY guys he trusts and believes, cause we always tell it like it is.

I never compared Taiwanese women to Russians. I contrasted perceptions of different people about a given place. For example, your perception about Taiwan is very different from mine.

The portion of Lads post about Russia I was referring to reads as follows:

"Another thing about Russian daily life - they do not really enjoy it. They get awakened not to enjoy a new day but to cope with today's problems. There is little comfort and contentment. Russians are used to minor everyday difficulties, and they don't even bother them anymore. Russian daily life is tough, and it's probably the reason why they smile so seldom. Rarely you will see a smiling face in a bus or on the streets - the fact that usually makes foreigners wonder."

[Rock]

Repatriate, but still, you made it sound like breaking into cliques was easy. It is not, esp in conservative countries. You don't just break into a clique by walking up to people and saying "Hey what's up? Nice weather we're having huh?"

And even if you make a friend or two, it doesn't mean they will introduce you to anyone, esp if they think that their friends are too shy to meet someone new.

I may make some hasty generalizations, but you make some bold assumptions here. Reality does not fit into formulas.

Also, in Taiwan, when someone says they will hook you up with someone, most of the time, they don't. They just say it for fun. You know that if you're Taiwanese. Come on now.

And like in America, many people flake too.

I still don't understand why Rock compared Taiwanese women to Russian women though. No guy who has been to both Russia and Taiwan would claim that they are the same in terms of openness to strangers. Not even close.

If they were even remotely similar, then how come my cousin's son said after watching Julia and Katya's antics in my videos, that "There is no way you could ever find girls in Taiwan that are that open and carefree. No way."

Again, how come no one can show me any "open girls in Taiwan" in person? NO ONE! But I can show you plenty of "open girls" in the Philippines in person. 100 percent guaranteed. And I have.

Why am I the only one willing to show proof of what I say? That's why many say that I'm credible. My friend Jeff, who recently talked to Steve Hoca, told Steve that me and his other friend are the ONLY guys he trusts and believes, cause we always tell it like it is.

Everyone's 'reality' is different. You have a subjective tendency to project your own unique personal experience onto others and use it to formulate broad generalizations which you think is 'reality' for all people.

Girls don't smile at you or talk to you in Taiwan. You can't get dates or even make friends with them. Is that your so-called proof??? Some others say the similar things and agree with your views? So what. As long as a percentage, actually a significant one, succeed socially and dating wise, then what you say does not apply to all.

You know next to nothing about Taiwan and/or China's pop-culture, current events, politics, history, etc. Your extended family circle sounds very narrow and anyway, they don't give a shit about you, right? You don't have many if any friends, local or expat. You stay in an isolated subdivision way out of a small city. You don't drive and rely on your parents for all your transportation, just like a kid before he gets his drivers license. You have no Chinese reading skills which would enable you to explore social sites and information sources popular with young locals. The total composite of your experience in and exposure to Taiwan is very limited. Do you really imagine that you know what's going on outside of your little bubble?

Taiwan, like most countries, has many sub-cultures which you probably have no awareness of. As the capital, Taipei in many ways provides access to the most diversity. There are many thriving scenes - casual straight sex, hanging-out with students, hiking, bicycling, gay clubs for males or females, gyms, language/cultural exchange, foreign bars and clubs, drugs, music and bands, etc. etc. You may complain that no one takes you in or shows you these worlds. Well, you gotta put in your own work so that you got something to bring to the table. Taiwan ain't no social charity. Which country is?

And if you want visual proof of a foreigner staying in Taiwan for just a few months, hanging out with lots of attractive to hot young girls and being part of desirable social circles, I've got it (a few Gigs worth) and I'm happy to show it to you next time I see you. In Taipei, I can also take you to some of those clubs where you can observe the action. There are always some foreigners and ABCs to watch. I'm due back this coming Monday and it sounds like you are still in Chiayi so stop whining and make plans to get your ass up to Taipei.

[Rock]

Winston

With all due respect, I believe most of those Russians (w a couple exceptions) just played you for some easy fun at best. I just don't understand how you can crave this type of fake relationships.

Most of them were not using me. They were just entertained at the novelty of meeting me and went along with the ride. Russians can say things for fun just for the sake of it and not follow through on anything. They don't care about consequences.

But like I said many times before, it's better than no attention at all.

Honestly, I'd rather even get used than totally ignored. Nothing is worse than when you're totally out of the game and feel like you don't exist.

You said you've experienced that before too, not existing at all to others, so you must understand how futile that feels, esp to someone who thrives on attention.

At least it's FUN and SOME sort of energy flows at least during the process, rather than none at all.

Stimulation, even passing stimulation, is far better than passing stimulation.

For example, when you eat a tasty plate of spaghetti, you know it's a passing experience, but you still enjoy it anyway and do not regret it. It's better than not eating it right? lol

If the play is 2 way, then maybe I can dig-it, esp. if it includes some physical contact with desirable counter-parties. If I'm just getting played, then I would rather just be ignored.

I think you would really like many parts of Lat Am / Caribbean.

[momopi]

People in TW are less open to complete strangers. By less open I mean they're generally suspicious of stranger's intentions. But once a proper introduction is made, it's far easier to befriend a Taiwanese than Japanese or Korean. You'll get invited to people's homes, your new friends will be inclined to do favors for you, they'll fight to pay the dinner bill for you, and so on and so on. My previous long-term GF in Taiwan was introduced to me by her godmother. I'm her godmother's son's daughter's godfather (complicated eh?). If you're single people will offer to hook you up, but sometimes the invitation is only half-way, you need to make the other 1/2 of the effort.

It's possible to meet girls in TW under "complete stranger" conditions, but don't expect guaranteed results. I've done it at Starbucks in TW, on the plane, at the airport, and even hitting on China Air flight attendants. I could also cite anime cosplay events at NTU, but that would be unfair to those not in the hobby. I invited a few cosplayers to 雙溪公園 (double stream park?) in Shilin where the park decor is in ancient Chinese style for their photo shoots. A lot of young people in Taipei don't know about this little park. It even has a "bat cave", LoL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBdQv15V9s (random video I found on YT)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morimori/s ... 10/detail/ (photo set taken at the park by 福志里, please do not use/repost individual photos without permission)



(Park located in that green triangle above the big red circle)

[Repatriate]

Winston it makes no sense to set yourself up in a lot of fake instant relationships because people are pretending to tolerate you for ulterior motives. It seems to me that you complain about people not acting genuine but crave superficial attention that may in fact be built on phoniness that even you may not understand. After all Winston didn't a few attractive Russian women just use you as a ticket to carnivals and such before bouncing off with their meathead boyfriends?

I personally feel that finding substantial friendships is like finding the right woman. It's all just a numbers game. There are a lot of people who most people aren't really compatible with over a period longer than a few days. It's up to you to filter it down to the interior close relationships and the exterior "orbit" of people who you are friends with to go have a coffee or to get to know other people.

Also, being a positive person helps as well. If you are grumpy about the people around you it gives off a vibe that's negative. I have noticed that people in asian cultures tend to key off this vibe really well at times. They tend to avoid you.

Another thing..have you thought about taking up hobbies that will lead you to meet more relaxed and interesting people? Learn to play the guitar or something. Take up kickboxing class. That pays a lot more personal development dividends than debating psychics and aliens.

[Rock]

People in TW are less open to complete strangers. By less open I mean they're generally suspicious of stranger's intentions. But once a proper introduction is made, it's far easier to befriend a Taiwanese than Japanese or Korean. You'll get invited to people's homes, your new friends will be inclined to do favors for you, they'll fight to pay the dinner bill for you, and so on and so on. My previous long-term GF in Taiwan was introduced to me by her godmother. I'm her godmother's son's daughter's godfather (complicated eh?). If you're single people will offer to hook you up, but sometimes the invitation is only half-way, you need to make the other 1/2 of the effort.

It's possible to meet girls in TW under "complete stranger" conditions, but don't expect guaranteed results. I've done it at Starbucks in TW, on the plane, at the airport, and even hitting on China Air flight attendants. I could also cite anime cosplay events at NTU, but that would be unfair to those not in the hobby. I invited a few cosplayers to 雙溪公園 (double stream park?) in Shilin where the park decor is in ancient Chinese style for their photo shoots. A lot of young people in Taipei don't know about this little park. It even has a "bat cave", LoL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBdQv15V9s (random video I found on YT)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morimori/s ... 10/detail/ (photo set taken at the park by 福志里, please do not use/repost individual photos without permission)



(Park located in that green triangle above the big red circle)

Yea, no guaranteed results but certainly doable for some. Or at least it used to be. Take the polite rejections in stride and as long as you succeed a reasonable percentage of the time, its worthwhile.

I'm not a big social butterfly or club/bar guy. My work used to keep me very busy and stressed. So a large percentage of my 'friends' were met via cold approaches in regular public areas during daytime/evening or via gradual work on fixed employee at given location. I've dated and established relationships with Taiwan girls met walking along the street, by their motorcycle as they prepared to leave, post office, bookstores, restaurants, coffee shops, airplanes, pools, hotels, buses, foreign countries, apartment hunting, college campuses, trains, in companies I visited, etc. I've also had male and even female friends who know my taste introduce girls to me or pass numbers which I worked on my own. I've approached several flight attendants and succeeded with 1 @ Eva, 2 @ China Air, and 1 @ Singapore Air (Taiwanese), and another China Air ground staff at CKS Airport. I once even experienced a formal introduction in Chungli which was a bizarre encounter that I will never repeat.

My tenant's experience sounded different than mine. I was a lot more aggressive and active than he. His approach was to show-up in clubs as a part of a young group of guys and let the girls notice and approach them. He pulled a lot of 1 night stands. I worked them via the phone and/or casual dates and would take time (days to weeks) to warm them up. The girls he dated were more into casual sex whereas the ones I got to know tended to want longer term and more serious.

[momopi]

My tenant's experience sounded different than mine. I was a lot more aggressive and active than he. His approach was to show-up in clubs as a part of a young group of guys and let the girls notice and approach them. He pulled a lot of 1 night stands. I worked them via the phone and/or casual dates and would take time (days to weeks) to warm them up. The girls he dated were more into casual sex whereas the ones I got to know tended to want longer term and more serious.

My method is actually not much different from yours. I'd meet girls on trips back to TW, chat them up on MSN over several months, then go back to visit. Usually I'd meet with the girl and her clique of friends first, then off to places as a pair. It's important for the girl to seek peer approval and to show off her latest man-accessory to her friends.

Sometimes the girl will fly to LA for vacation and stay with me for a week. Or we'd arrange to meet somewhere for vacation. In TW most single girls live at home, so I prefer to take them on trips away from home if possible. Girls are more open in vacation mode -- the further & longer away from home, the faster the panties will drop. Virgin TW girls going to US for MBA/grad school will usually not go home as virgins.

In your case, you have the advantage of living there full time, so you have more time and opportunities to build up relationships. It's harder for me to do today because MSN is no longer in vogue and in passing like ICQ, Yahoo IM, and Skype. These days I spend more time texting Viet coffee shop girls in OC for fun. Business has been slow so the girls who can bring customers in make bigger tips. Guys looking for attention would probably enjoy having 5-6 pretty Viet girls texting them "I'm working at cafe xxx tonight come see me!".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOePtke4MrY

Yea, no guaranteed results but certainly doable for some. Or at least it used to be. Take the polite rejections in stride and as long as you succeed a reasonable percentage of the time, its worthwhile.

Some people have the patience for fishing, others don't and I tell them to just buy the fish.

[The_Adventurer]

I can't speak for Taiwan, as I've never been there, but I'm somewhat surprised at what some say about experiences in Japan and Korea. I've had great experiences in both places and quite the opposite of what others say. I'm told I look young for my age, but women my age, late 30's, and older seem to ignore me completely. It's like I don't even exist. No eye contact or anything. I get the most attention from young girls, like college age and even from high school girls.

I can't say I've been in either place to know about types of girls, like which one's are bad etc. but those considered to be "bad", usually with colored hair, talking loud and with flashy clothes, never talked to me. Those who seem to talk to me are the ones who blend in with everyone else.

I've had girls who barely speak two words of English try to talk to me. If I initiate conversation, they seem surprised, but then really interested. Many times, though, they initiate conversation. I've sat on the bus and had a gorgeous young college girl start chatting to me. I would get the usual "Hi. How are you? Where are you from?" more times than I can count. In places that I frequented regularly, like my gym or the main restaurants I ate at, the girls would open up to me pretty quickly and talk all the time.

Now, would any of this lead to dates and sex? I can't say. I didn't try and I had a wacky girlfriend who probably would have killed me if I did.

Here's an interesting note. My success with Japanese and Korean girls in the Philippines was even better. Maybe it takes a certain type to travel abroad, but my experiences, especially with Korean girls, in the Philippines were such that I thought Korea would be as easy as the Phils. That was not the case, but it is definitely not as bad as what I am reading here.

Of course, we know that hip hop music and black American culture are becoming extremely popular in Japan and Korea now. This may be the reason for my success and why it is with younger people rather than those my age. When I first arrived, I did have my dreads, but I eventually cut them off, and things surprisingly got even better. I do believe in vibes and some of that stuff as well, though I don't claim to understand any of it.

I don't necessarily believe in past lives and such, but some people, like my trainer, my Korean girlfriend, some of her friends and family, I clicked with so well it was like we have known each other forever. I felt at home.

I will be trying out Shanghai China next, so maybe I will have some different experiences to report there too.

@Winston
I agree with what some others have stated. You're swimming up stream. Your experiences should make you appreciate the Philippines all the more. Turn around, find the flow.

[Rock]

I can't speak for Taiwan, as I've never been there, but I'm somewhat surprised at what some say about experiences in Japan and Korea. I've had great experiences in both places and quite the opposite of what others say. I'm told I look young for my age, but women my age, late 30's, and older seem to ignore me completely. It's like I don't even exist. No eye contact or anything. I get the most attention from young girls, like college age and even from high school girls.

I can't say I've been in either place to know about types of girls, like which one's are bad etc. but those considered to be "bad", usually with colored hair, talking loud and with flashy clothes, never talked to me. Those who seem to talk to me are the ones who blend in with everyone else.

I've had girls who barely speak two words of English try to talk to me. If I initiate conversation, they seem surprised, but then really interested. Many times, though, they initiate conversation. I've sat on the bus and had a gorgeous young college girl start chatting to me. I would get the usual "Hi. How are you? Where are you from?" more times than I can count. In places that I frequented regularly, like my gym or the main restaurants I ate at, the girls would open up to me pretty quickly and talk all the time.

Now, would any of this lead to dates and sex? I can't say. I didn't try and I had a wacky girlfriend who probably would have killed me if I did.

Here's an interesting note. My success with Japanese and Korean girls in the Philippines was even better. Maybe it takes a certain type to travel abroad, but my experiences, especially with Korean girls, in the Philippines were such that I thought Korea would be as easy as the Phils. That was not the case, but it is definitely not as bad as what I am reading here.

Of course, we know that hip hop music and black American culture are becoming extremely popular in Japan and Korea now. This may be the reason for my success and why it is with younger people rather than those my age. When I first arrived, I did have my dreads, but I eventually cut them off, and things surprisingly got even better. I do believe in vibes and some of that stuff as well, though I don't claim to understand any of it.

I don't necessarily believe in past lives and such, but some people, like my trainer, my Korean girlfriend, some of her friends and family, I clicked with so well it was like we have known each other forever. I felt at home.

I will be trying out Shanghai China next, so maybe I will have some different experiences to report there too.

@Winston
I agree with what some others have stated. You're swimming up stream. Your experiences should make you appreciate the Philippines all the more. Turn around, find the flow.

Your experience makes sense to me. People in a given country react differently to different people. As long as a country can transform dating lives for a certain percentage of frustrated American/European/Aussie guys, it has merit as a Happier 'Abroad destination. Moreover, I would give extra points to countries where material benefits are generally not a key motivator to the women involved.

2 or 3 decades ago, the cutting edge of international trendiness and cool was generally dominated by white pop icons from the States and Britain. More recently, they've been largely displaced by hip-hop and gangsta cultural figures. I know Japan has some hard-core followers. Black guys who can pull-off 'being real' (not very hard in Japan even if you are from a boring middle class background) may find local dudes who wanna be-friend and help them and groupie chicks who wanna sleep with or at least hang with them.

I remember going to the Apollo Theater in Harlem for Amateur Night back in 2007. They had the usual audience judged competition as the first main segment and I was quite surprised to see a Japanese performer win it. He was actually quite good though not the best IMO. I believe the audience appreciated having someone from so far embrace and emulate their style. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if something similar has happened more recently in Korea. In Taiwan, I don't believe there is a very big hip-hop sub-culture yet. But a lot of the more mainstream hip-hop and R&B music is popular there now and black guys will be considered by many local girls and even preferred by a certain percentage. Its funny to watch the Africans who go to the local clubs. They generally pretend to by black Americans and often, the local girls buy it.

BTW, in my experience, the best single predictor of how well or poorly I am likely to click with a new person is their astrological sign. Perhaps I have more confidence with certain signs than others. But knowing the girls solar birth date generally seems to give me a good idea of how quickly I can proceed and how to best relate to her.

[momopi]

Say hello to Jero! Not hip pop!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rURoB7ZNE

[Repatriate]

I'd say the newer trend in Asia is intra-asian pop icons. Guys like Rain and various asian bred pop stars are extremely popular across asian nationalities. Thailand's pop is almost a complete imitation of K-pop. It's just as lame but the women really do love that style.

[Rock]

Say hello to Jero! Not hip pop!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1rURoB7ZNE

I can dig it. Nice and refreshing. Don't understand the lyrics of course but it sounds touching just the same.

These days, I think a lot of the hip-hop music sounds like monotonous war chanting. But I still like a bit of it and much of the popular R&B is still good to great.

[Winston]

Repatriate, question for you:

ABC's in America spend their lives trying to become more "Americanized", so they view going to Taiwan as a sort of regression or devolution, a step backwards. Thus, most ABC's don't visit Taiwan often, and if they do, it's just for short trips and family reunions.

But you said you know some that went back to Taiwan and fit into hip groups and did well with ladies. Well, if they go back to Taiwan to live for an extended time, then logically they must not be that "Americanized". Probably they have a "Chinese soul" like tennis player Michael Chang and Travel Channel's Janet Hsieh, both ABC's, claim they do.

So, not all ABC's are bananas. Some have Chinese souls or feel they are more Chinese than American. So your examples are likely to be one of these. And I still doubt whether any "banana" really fits in or feels comfortable in Taiwan.

Otherwise, you are just playing devil's advocate, like a lot of weirdos on the internet do.