Trump vs. Hillary Live Debate

[Rock]

I think at this stage, it's over for the Donald.

Americans as a group may not give a damn about issues and substance but when you talk about grabbing women and it's gets heard publicly, watch out! Now other women are coming out of the woodwork. Even many female Republicans may defect in this particular election.

Donald is on the verge of a death spiral as far as this election is concerned.

Yes, quite. Just one thing. What the f**k are you talking about?

Don't you understand English well or are you just thick?

Let me spell it out - I believe that Donald Trump will not be elected next president of the United States of America because several women have recently accused him of sexual assault and many more will probably do the same thing before the election.

And Bill Clinton's serial predation (i.e., rape, in many cases) of hundreds of women, and his wife's diligent efforts over decades to cover this up by intimidating these women into silence -- about which books have been written -- will get no traction at all in the mainstream media? You're probably right.

The rodeo clown press -- don't look over here at what's really going on, look at this distraction. Exactly the same tactic used with her email server -- forget about all the embarrassing content, THE ROOSKIES DID IT!! You watch this stuff and you feel like you're all the way down the rabbit hole. Forget about a better dating life, the best reason to get the hell out of the U.S. is simple: The corporate/governmental establishment and its courtier media will never speak or write a truthful word. Seriously, how do you process the fact that your government never -- never -- does anything but lie to you? And now we're about to elect a woman who lies as naturally as she breathes.

One more issue. Donald is a white male. Hillary is still a woman. Even though she is believed to have aided and abetted Bill, the link is less direct.

We've recently all heard Trump speak directly in his easy to recognize voice about trying to f... married women, grab pussies, and kiss women without their consent. Consider how actual voice recordings can influence jury trials. This elicits a visceral response in so many American women and many male feminists as well.

I believe he will lose enough republican female support from this scandal alone to ensure he does not win this election.

[Winston]

I dont think so rock. At the two trump rallies after the second debate, tens of thousands of people showed up. Both in Pennsylvania and Florida. So hes just as popular as ever. In contrast only a few hundred people show up at hillarys rallies. And some of her volunteer events have zero people showing up, which some of alex jones reporters covered and went to.

[Rock]

I think at this stage, it's over for the Donald.

Americans as a group may not give a damn about issues and substance but when you talk about grabbing women and it's gets heard publicly, watch out! Now other women are coming out of the woodwork. Even many female Republicans may defect in this particular election.

Donald is on the verge of a death spiral as far as this election is concerned.

I dont agree. If you like someone you will forgive their transgressions. Or rationalize them away. So yes humans are subjective and emotional. But that works in trumps favor. Donald trump is very likable. Hillary is not. People emotionally like trump because he is strong and outside the system. So he is the best person who can change things and clean up. Hillary wont change anything. Humans, like apes, elect the stronger and more likable and more charismatic person. So peoples emotions should be on donald trumps side. In psychological theory, trump should win. He looks more presidential too. At least hes not a criminal.

Trump is an alpha male. People naturally want an alpha for a leader. Hillary is weak and cant even stand for very long. She has lost the respect of people. People cannot have faith in a weak leader like hillary. Its basic human psychology, as well as animal psychology and animal instinct. Even animals select the stronger candidate to be the leader and mate with all the females. That leader is alpha and is allowed to act vulgar with women. He is given leeway to do so.

I think most people have made up their minds about who they want based on their emotions and feelings. These scandals dont change that.

Also at the two trump rallies after the second debate, tens of thousands of people showed up. Both in Pennsylvania and Florida. So hes just as popular as ever. In contrast only a few hundred people show up at hillarys rallies. And some of her volunteer events have zero people showing up, which some of alex jones reporters covered and went to.

I have enough confidence in my prediction - that Donald Trump will NOT win the upcoming USA presidential election - that I would be willing to bet US$1,000 against your US$500 (2 to 1 odds) that Donald Trump does not win this election.

[Winston]

I would bet against you rock. But theres a chance the elite could rig the election. However if they dont rig the election, then trump will probably win.

My theory makes more sense than yours. Scandals dont change someones mind especially when its just words and not actions. Plus what he said was nothing illegal. What hillary has done is illegal though. Even bill clintons monica lewinsky scandal did not ruin his popularity.

Youre not seeing the big picture rock. Youre only focusing on one little thing. Typical Taiwanese narrow mindedness and small mindedness. Lol.

Plus look at the two trump rallies recently after the debate. Tens of thousands showed up. Hardly anyone shows up at hillarys rallies. Only the media wants you to believe that trump is losing support. Youve fallen for the media con. Even alex jones can see through it.

Again hillary is weak and not alpha. She cannot even stand for an hour. No one can respect or have faith in a weak person. Think human nature. Think psychology. In a fair election trump will win. But not if the election is rigged or sabotaged.

[Rock]

I would bet against you rock. But theres a chance the elite could rig the election. However if they dont rig the election, then trump will probably win.

My theory makes more sense than yours. Scandals dont change someones mind especially when its just words and not actions. Plus what he said was nothing illegal. What hillary has done is illegal though. Even bill clintons monica lewinsky scandal did not ruin his popularity.

Youre not seeing the big picture rock. Youre only focusing on one little thing. Typical Taiwanese narrow mindedness and small mindedness. Lol.

Plus look at the two trump rallies recently after the debate. Tens of thousands showed up. Hardly anyone shows up at hillarys rallies. Only the media wants you to believe that trump is losing support. Youve fallen for the media con. Even alex jones can see through it.

Again hillary is weak and not alpha. She cannot even stand for an hour. No one respects that or has faith in such a weak person. Think human nature. Think psychology. In a fair election trump will win. But not if the election is rigged or sabotaged.

One way or another way, I just can't see Trump winning now. You can call it narrow minded. I call it right (unless of course I'm wrong lol).

About being rigged, duh, hello. Hillary shouldn't even be the Democratic nominee. The system is rigged in many ways. And it looks like Trump will definitely lose at this stage.

But the proof is in the pudding. Let's just see the result. Even if Trump comes close, that only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades lol. If you wanna put your money where you mouth is, fine. If I lost, it would be worth $1,000 just not to have Hillary in office. And I could use an extra $500 assuming I'm right.

GSJackson, you're probably the deepest poster on this topic. I'm curious about your opinion of Bernie Sanders.

[Teal Lantern]

I dont understand why some of you think they can rig the election in favor of hillary. The ballot booths are staffed by honest normal americans who are strict about following the rules. Paper ballots are used and counted. Its not easy to cheat the system.

My state uses electronic voting machines on Election Day.
The last time I saw a paper ballot was when I voted absentee.

If the election were close, like the 2000 election between george bush and al gore, then they can do something to tip the scales, like they did in florida where bushs brother was governor. But i dont see how they can have full control over the whole election process.

A close precinct can tip a county. A few close counties can tip a state.
Demoncraps hate voter ID laws for a reason.

[Rock]

My theory makes more sense than yours. Scandals dont change someones mind especially when its just words and not actions. Plus what he said was nothing illegal. What hillary has done is illegal though. Even bill clintons monica lewinsky scandal did not ruin his popularity.

Youre not seeing the big picture rock. Youre only focusing on one little thing. Typical Taiwanese narrow mindedness and small mindedness. Lol.

Plus look at the two trump rallies recently after the debate. Tens of thousands showed up. Hardly anyone shows up at hillarys rallies. Only the media wants you to believe that trump is losing support. Youve fallen for the media con. Even alex jones can see through it.

It's not what he said. It's the credibility his recent locker room talk gives credibility to his growing number of accusers, those who are saying that he sexually assaulted them. And sexual assault IS a crime. Grabbing a girl's p***y without her consent in the USA can get you a felony charge and registered as a sex offender. And there are many women in America who would like to put an old white man in prison for life for such a thing so socially, it's even worse.

Sex scandals do ruin people. Are you kidding. Lewinsky scandal did hurt Bill too. As for the big picture, a few rallies don't decide the elections. And mainstream media may be a con but it still influences a huge percentage of the American voting population.

Alex Jones, wow what a credible source haha. Again are you joking?

Do you still think Trump has a good chance? Look at the bigger picture my friend. Half the voters out there are women. Trump at this stage is being perceived more and more like a pervy old white man.

[Winston]

My theory makes more sense than yours. Scandals dont change someones mind especially when its just words and not actions. Plus what he said was nothing illegal. What hillary has done is illegal though. Even bill clintons monica lewinsky scandal did not ruin his popularity.

Youre not seeing the big picture rock. Youre only focusing on one little thing. Typical Taiwanese narrow mindedness and small mindedness. Lol.

Plus look at the two trump rallies recently after the debate. Tens of thousands showed up. Hardly anyone shows up at hillarys rallies. Only the media wants you to believe that trump is losing support. Youve fallen for the media con. Even alex jones can see through it.

It's not what he said. It's the credibility his recent locker room talk gives credibility to his growing number of accusers, those who are saying that he sexually assaulted them. And sexual assault IS a crime. Grabbing a girl's p***y without her consent in the USA can get you a felony charge and registered as a sex offender. And there are many women in America who would like to put an old white man in prison for life for such a thing so socially, it's even worse.

Sex scandals do ruin people. Are you kidding. Lewinsky scandal did hurt Bill too. As for the big picture, a few rallies don't decide the elections. And mainstream media may be a con but it still influences a huge percentage of the American voting population.

Alex Jones, wow what a credible source haha. Again are you joking?

Do you still think Trump has a good chance? Look at the bigger picture my friend. Half the voters out there are women. Trump at this stage is being perceived more and more like a pervy old white man.

So how is a woman supposed to give consent to grab her p***y? Tell you "please grab my p***y"? What if youre making out with her and you grab her pusssy? Is that consent? How do you know these accusers arent bbeing paid?

Even if the allegations are true, so what? Hillary is still worse.

Trump is an ALPHA male. Hes allowed to get away with stuff like that. Hes not a normal guy. Hes alpha. So people expect that. The same way they let james bond or hugh hefner get away with it.

I would bet you but not that amount. More like 500 to 250. But i cant be assured that the election wont be rigged. So im hesitant about it. I prefer to bet on a fair playing field. You should know something though. I rarely lose bets.

You forget that people tend to vote for the stronger and more charismatic person. Animals do too. Its nature. You cant fight nature.

[Rock]

My theory makes more sense than yours. Scandals dont change someones mind especially when its just words and not actions. Plus what he said was nothing illegal. What hillary has done is illegal though. Even bill clintons monica lewinsky scandal did not ruin his popularity.

Youre not seeing the big picture rock. Youre only focusing on one little thing. Typical Taiwanese narrow mindedness and small mindedness. Lol.

Plus look at the two trump rallies recently after the debate. Tens of thousands showed up. Hardly anyone shows up at hillarys rallies. Only the media wants you to believe that trump is losing support. Youve fallen for the media con. Even alex jones can see through it.

It's not what he said. It's the credibility his recent locker room talk gives credibility to his growing number of accusers, those who are saying that he sexually assaulted them. And sexual assault IS a crime. Grabbing a girl's p***y without her consent in the USA can get you a felony charge and registered as a sex offender. And there are many women in America who would like to put an old white man in prison for life for such a thing so socially, it's even worse.

Sex scandals do ruin people. Are you kidding. Lewinsky scandal did hurt Bill too. As for the big picture, a few rallies don't decide the elections. And mainstream media may be a con but it still influences a huge percentage of the American voting population.

Alex Jones, wow what a credible source haha. Again are you joking?

Do you still think Trump has a good chance? Look at the bigger picture my friend. Half the voters out there are women. Trump at this stage is being perceived more and more like a pervy old white man.

So how is a woman supposed to give consent to grab her p***y? Tell you "please grab my p***y"? What if youre making out with her and you grab her pusssy? Is that consent? How do you know these accusers arent bbeing paid?

Even if the allegations are true, so what? Hillary is still worse.

Trump is an ALPHA male. Hes allowed to get away with stuff like that. Hes not a normal guy. Hes alpha. So people expect that. The same way they let james bond or hugh hefner get away with it.

I would bet you but not that amount. More like 500 to 250. But i cant be assured that the election wont be rigged. So im hesitant about it. I prefer to bet on a fair playing field. You should know something though. I rarely lose bets.

You forget that people tend to vote for the stronger and more charismatic person. Animals do too. Its nature. You cant fight nature.

I'm ok with paying you US$500 if Trump DOES win as long as you will pay me US$250 if he DOES NOT win. But if you don't trust the system, I get that so never mind. I can't imagine Trump winning now unless Hillary gets very sick or something extraordinary along those lines.

If you rarely loose bets, then why didn't you hit the strip when you were in Vegas and make a pile of cash. Why didn't you join Hy when you were in Angeles and earn from casinos just as he seems to do?

[Rock]

So how is a woman supposed to give consent to grab her p***y? Tell you "please grab my p***y"? What if youre making out with her and you grab her pusssy? Is that consent? How do you know these accusers arent bbeing paid?

Even if the allegations are true, so what? Hillary is still worse.

Trump is an ALPHA male. He

1. Grabbing a girl's crotch by surprise is considered sexual assault by about any measure in the USA. It's not like they were building up to that stage by getting slowly intimate in a private setting. If you grab a girl's crotch or breast suddenly, that's perceived as sexual assault by most Americans and I believe it's also legally classified as sexual assault.

2. Even if the allegations are all false (not likely), they will be believed by many thanks to him saying that he surprise grabs and kisses and can get away with it cus he's a star.

3. Don't underestimate the power of a fresh sexual assault scandal against an old white man in 2016. Many other white male politicians have been ruined by less in recent history.

[Gadfly]

So how is a woman supposed to give consent to grab her p***y? Tell you "please grab my p***y"? What if youre making out with her and you grab her pusssy? Is that consent? How do you know these accusers arent bbeing paid?

Even if the allegations are true, so what? Hillary is still worse.

Trump is an ALPHA male. Hes allowed to get away with stuff like that. Hes not a normal guy. Hes alpha. So people expect that. The same way they let james bond or hugh hefner get away with it.

I would bet you but not that amount. More like 500 to 250. But i cant be assured that the election wont be rigged. So im hesitant about it. I prefer to bet on a fair playing field. You should know something though. I rarely lose bets.

Winston,

You may be right that women are attracted to Alpha men. But it won't matter one bit if Hillary ends up winning a rigged election.

Understand, there was never a fair playing field. From the start, Trump was a marked man. OTOH Hillary skated from scandals that should have sunk her candidacy early on.

You say you "rarely lose bets"? Well, here's your chance now to put your money where your mouth is. Who knows? You might win.

[gsjackson]

GSJackson, you're probably the deepest poster on this topic. I'm curious about your opinion of Bernie Sanders.

I thought he was vastly preferable to Clinton as a nominee. I liked his anti-Wall Street schtick, and if he'd done just one thing as president -- reinstate Glass-Steagall -- he would have been a far better president than she. He was quite suspect, though, on foreign policy. Starting with Serbia, he voted for every war, direct and proxy, except Iraq. As a Jew, he would have been extremely vulnerable to the Israeli/neocon influence, though almost certainly not to the extent Clinton is.

Overall, I think I'd prefer Trump in the White Hose, because he has the potential to be more of a game changer in foreign policy, trade policy (though Bernie is good there too), and immigration policy. Though he talks a good populist game, I think Bernie would be pretty passive in the White House, and preside over business as usual. But just Glass-Steagall alone would be a big step forward for the economy. Clinton, of course, won't touch it, as I'm certain she's assured her bankster friends at Goldman Sachs, etc.

[Winston]

I'm ok with paying you US$500 if Trump DOES win as long as you will pay me US$250 if he DOES NOT win. But if you don't trust the system, I get that so never mind. I can't imagine Trump winning now unless Hillary gets very sick or something extraordinary along those lines.

If you rarely loose bets, then why didn't you hit the strip when you were in Vegas and make a pile of cash. Why didn't you join Hy when you were in Angeles and earn from casinos just as he seems to do?

I'll think about it. You misunderstood me. I don't bet in casinos. I meant personal bets with individuals or friends over something I am sure that I'm right about. Those kind of bets I almost always win. I don't remember losing any yet. I only make those kind of bets if the odds are on my side heavily or I am sure about something that we are disputing.

I've won most bets against my dad too, even though no money was exchanged. So it was a figurative "bet". Most of the time when we disagree about a way to fix a problem and he doesn't believe me, he's proven wrong later on. A lot of older Asians are stubborn and narrow, even when logic dictates that they are probably wrong, they still stick to an illogical assumption. They are stubborn just for the sake of being stubborn, not for a well thought out reason.

[Moretorque]

GSJackson, you're probably the deepest poster on this topic. I'm curious about your opinion of Bernie Sanders.

I thought he was vastly preferable to Clinton as a nominee. I liked his anti-Wall Street schtick, and if he'd done just one thing as president -- reinstate Glass-Steagall -- he would have been a far better president than she. He was quite suspect, though, on foreign policy. Starting with Serbia, he voted for every war, direct and proxy, except Iraq. As a Jew, he would have been extremely vulnerable to the Israeli/neocon influence, though almost certainly not to the extent Clinton is.

Overall, I think I'd prefer Trump in the White Hose, because he has the potential to be more of a game changer in foreign policy, trade policy (though Bernie is good there too), and immigration policy. Though he talks a good populist game, I think Bernie would be pretty passive in the White House, and preside over business as usual. But just Glass-Steagall alone would be a big step forward for the economy. Clinton, of course, won't touch it, as I'm certain she's assured her bankster friends at Goldman Sachs, etc.

All that legal fiction like Glass Steagall is just plain bull $hit, they just do that to make you believe there is rule of law and the people running this counterfeiting operation are constrained by laws.

They can do whatever they want as long as they do not arouse the dumb animal to much and tip them off to the con....

Sanders was easily controlled by them and that is why they are not happy with the Donald running because he has his own agenda.

[Winston]

The whole media isn't against Trump. Just 80 percent of it is. Fox News tends to be on his side. Bill O'Reilly and Hannity are on Trump's side. Fox News also has commentators that constantly warn the public that the rest of the media is biased against Trump and not to trust them. I've never seen a branch of the mainstream media tell the public not to trust the other branches of the media, like CNN. lol. Here is an interview with Trump by Bill O'Reilly. It's obvious he agrees with Trump and supports him.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXDnmRXeUFk[/youtube]