MGTOW Lesson for the Gynocentric Cucks

[Cornfed]

Your bible actually implores men to be MGTOW:

1 Corinthians 7

8 Now to the unmarried I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

Eh, wasn't Paul advocating marriage or asceticism? I'm pretty sure he would have wanted you married to some sheboon in a mud hut in Apefrica, castrated or put to death. He was a funny guy. I'm not sure he had any long term vision beyond promoting his religion.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Marriage is FOR MEN.

Your bible actually implores men to be MGTOW:

1 Corinthians 7

8 Now to the unmarried I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

So even your bible supports MGTOW and discourages marriage. So when you lie to men and tell them precisely the opposite of what your bible teaches, that makes you the DEMONIC LIAR that you like to accuse others of being. Adama, YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED!

MGTOW forever as your bible advises!

Paul also says regarding the way he lived versus getting married that we have different gifts, one after this manner, and another after that. Being celibate is a gift, and getting married is a gift.

With your logic, being happy is a gift, being unbearably miserable is a gift, so being MGTOW is a gift by extension. In fact, everything is a gift to the biblically brainwashed moron like yourself! Paul also says that you can twist his words and deny the obvious so long as you virtue signal and come off as religious as much as possible. For that is all that matters in the end.

But one thing we do not see Paul doing is insulting married men for getting married, or treating marriage as inherently evil. Marriage portrays the relationship between Christ and the church, as this is foretold in a symbolic way in the passage about creation of woman. And that passage is very pro-marriage. Paul is not anti-marriage.

Oh of course, even though Paul clearly says that one should not marry at all as a matter of the preferable state of being, he really is pro-marriage because in the end, you can simply justify your own support of marriage so long as you try to come off as pious and religious while contradicting his actual words. Riiiiight!

Marriage is allowed in Christianity, and celibacy is allowed in Christianity. But of course, sex with single women (or worse, married women) one meets at bars or other places is not allowed.

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To hell with what Christianity "allows" and what it does not "allow." In the bizarre world of a Christian, word salad, and mental gymnastics can morally justify everything from pedophilia to murder. I guess MGTOW is "allowed" in Christianity too then!

Be MGTOW and do whatever makes you a freer, wealthier, and smarter man. Rejecting the slavery that is marriage is step one. Recognizing the hypocrisy and double speak of religious zealots is step two!

[MrMan]

Paul also says regarding the way he lived versus getting married that we have different gifts, one after this manner, and another after that. Being celibate is a gift, and getting married is a gift.

With your logic, being happy is a gift, being unbearably miserable is a gift, so being MGTOW is a gift by extension.

No, Paul did not write that. I'm talking about this:
I Corinthians 7:7
"I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another."

He's not talking about being happy or miserable. He's talking about being married or celibate.

Celibacy is actually superior, if one does it out of dedication to God. But marriage is good, too. It is better to marry than to burn. If a man knows he is going to 'burn' it's better to marry. So I got married.

In fact, everything is a gift to the biblically brainwashed moron like yourself! Paul also says that you can twist his words and deny the obvious so long as you virtue signal and come off as religious as much as possible.

You brought up this passage in the Bible. I am not denying Paul's words. You are out of your depth. And you throwing around a lot more heat than light, a lot more emotionally charged accusations and statements than enlightening intellectual contributions.

Why should you care if other people get married? It doesn't make sense for you to get so worked up about this. You benefit from what stable marriages are left in society. Children raised in these homes are less likely to mug you so many years down the line if you are old and feeble hobbling home from the bar.

Oh of course, even though Paul clearly says that one should not marry at all as a matter of the preferable state of being, he really is pro-marriage because in the end, you can simply justify your own support of marriage so long as you try to come off as pious and religious while contradicting his actual words. Riiiiight!

The 'it is not good for a man to be alone' passage is very pro-marriage. Modern Judaism is also very pro-marriage, too. Paul wasn't anti-marriage. He presented celibacy as superior in many ways. But he also says it is not a sin to marry. In one passage, he says of young widows, 'let them marry.' Elders appointed to oversee the church were to be 'the husband of one wife.' There is also Ephesians 5, where two becoming one flesh is about Christ and the church.

He was not anti-marriage like you are. He didn't call married men 'cucks' and use other shaming tactics toward them. Getting married is not a sin. It wasn't unacceptable to Paul.

Marriage is allowed in Christianity, and celibacy is allowed in Christianity. But of course, sex with single women (or worse, married women) one meets at bars or other places is not allowed.

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what Christianity "allows" and what it does not "allow."

If you think like that, why bring it up? You brought up the topic, then respond like that when other people address it.

I do wonder if you had a good woman, if you might not be a bit less cranky. There are certain things wives can do to relieve your stress.

I guess MGTOW is "allowed" in Christianity too then!

Being celibate is allowed for Christians. Saying evil things about married men for getting married isn't. Is that part of being a MGTOW?

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Paul also says regarding the way he lived versus getting married that we have different gifts, one after this manner, and another after that. Being celibate is a gift, and getting married is a gift.

With your logic, being happy is a gift, being unbearably miserable is a gift, so being MGTOW is a gift by extension.

No, Paul did not write that. I'm talking about this:
I Corinthians 7:7
"I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another."

He's not talking about being happy or miserable. He's talking about being married or celibate.

Celibacy is actually superior, if one does it out of dedication to God. But marriage is good, too. It is better to marry than to burn. If a man knows he is going to 'burn' it's better to marry. So I got married.

In fact, everything is a gift to the biblically brainwashed moron like yourself! Paul also says that you can twist his words and deny the obvious so long as you virtue signal and come off as religious as much as possible.

You brought up this passage in the Bible. I am not denying Paul's words. You are out of your depth. And you throwing around a lot more heat than light, a lot more emotionally charged accusations and statements than enlightening intellectual contributions.

Why should you care if other people get married? It doesn't make sense for you to get so worked up about this. You benefit from what stable marriages are left in society. Children raised in these homes are less likely to mug you so many years down the line if you are old and feeble hobbling home from the bar.

Oh of course, even though Paul clearly says that one should not marry at all as a matter of the preferable state of being, he really is pro-marriage because in the end, you can simply justify your own support of marriage so long as you try to come off as pious and religious while contradicting his actual words. Riiiiight!

The 'it is not good for a man to be alone' passage is very pro-marriage. Modern Judaism is also very pro-marriage, too. Paul wasn't anti-marriage. He presented celibacy as superior in many ways. But he also says it is not a sin to marry. In one passage, he says of young widows, 'let them marry.' Elders appointed to oversee the church were to be 'the husband of one wife.' There is also Ephesians 5, where two becoming one flesh is about Christ and the church.

He was not anti-marriage like you are. He didn't call married men 'cucks' and use other shaming tactics toward them. Getting married is not a sin. It wasn't unacceptable to Paul.

Marriage is allowed in Christianity, and celibacy is allowed in Christianity. But of course, sex with single women (or worse, married women) one meets at bars or other places is not allowed.

what Christianity "allows" and what it does not "allow."

If you think like that, why bring it up? You brought up the topic, then respond like that when other people address it.

I do wonder if you had a good woman, if you might not be a bit less cranky. There are certain things wives can do to relieve your stress.

I guess MGTOW is "allowed" in Christianity too then!

Being celibate is allowed for Christians. Saying evil things about married men for getting married isn't. Is that part of being a MGTOW?

Now that I have established that you are a disingenuous liar a few posts above, and an irrational manipulator of your own biblical dictates, I wanted to get you to lapse into cognitive dissonance and I seem to have succeeded sooner than expected.

Do know that I am not trying to convince a religious nut that he is indeed wrong. That is next to impossible. But the readers who are of above average intelligence can see the logical flaws in twists and turns of your horrible rationalizations.

Now, there is a video of a married man who became a "MGTOW-admirer" while he was married. I post this for the intelligent viewers to view and ponder. I don't, however, recommend that you, as a religiously brainwashed, tradcon, view it because it might cause you substantial distress and despondence.

This is for men guided by rationality and logic, and not by tradcon, cuck, or religious dictate.

[Yohan]

Being celibate is allowed for Christians. Saying evil things about married men for getting married isn't. Is that part of being a MGTOW?

What a strange comment, being celibate is allowed for other religions too, I never heard about any religion which is forcing you into marriage.

About MGTOW and marriage, I am MGTOW and married since over 40 years. I do not remember even a single case where any other MGTOW said anything evil about me and my family.

Of course I am not married to the typical Western grrl and I am not living in Europe anymore.

Most toxic comments about my marriage and relocation I received from feminists - from both, men and women.

Some told me, this is a marriage with a doormat, others told me interracial marriage results in mixed race children (feminism is not free of racism),
I also was called a possible wife-beater and paedophile, as my wife is about 20 cm shorter than I am, but we are of almost same age, I also got comments like buying a mail-order bride, but my wife is from Japan, for sure same living standard and income as in Europe. etc. etc.

MrMan, I often get the impression when I read your comments you are totally mixing up MGTOW with feminism. You sound somewhat confused and grossly misinformed.

[MrMan]

Now that I have established that you are a disingenuous liar a few posts above, and an irrational manipulator of your own biblical dictates, I wanted to get you to lapse into cognitive dissonance and I seem to have succeeded sooner than expected.

Your lack of good will makes it hard to dialogue with you. My interactions with MGTOWs so far have mainly been with men who like to insult other men, seek to shame them with inflammatory language, to promote an irrational and extreme agenda. Your posts are a lot heavier on insults and accusations than they are on intellectual substance. That is illustrated by the ad hominem attacks. What you showed in your previous post is a lack of knowledge about the Bible and the Christian faith.

If you don't want to get married, don't get married. I think just about everyone is pretty cool with that unless you still have some aunts who like to give you advice about your lifestyle. But I wonder what your motivation is to insult married men who decide to have children and raise them. I wonder what the emotional issue is behind it that motivates it. I understand the bitter divorce guys who lost their kids talking bad about women. We all know that there are legal risks. But why attack men who choose a different path from yourself?

You consider someone who takes his religious beliefs seriously to be a 'fanatic'. How do you think the rest of us perceive those who are so radically devoted to a social ideology perceive you? If you were really into Men Going Their Own Way, then you wouldn't have a problem with men getting married and having kids, since that is their own way, the way they chose. You should call yourself 'MGMW'-- men going my way, because you want men to go the way you think best.

Now, there is a video of a married man who became a "MGTOW-admirer" while he was married. I post this for the intelligent viewers to view and ponder. I don't, however, recommend that you, as a religiously brainwashed, tradcon, view it because it might cause you substantial distress and despondence.

This is for men guided by rationality and logic, and not by tradcon, cuck, or religious dictate.

Name one original thought you've had for yourself. Now with the Internet, there are all these little niche philosophies, social, and political movements. People in the group can read each other's blogs, watch each other's videos, and engage in 'group think' in their own little philosophy. That doesn't mean they are guided by rationality any more than people of faith.

[MrMan]

Yohan

I do not think there is any kind of official organization that defines MGTOW. I know of MGTOW through online media and a few discussions. If someone were to ask me to describe it, I would say it is a movement of men who are against marriage because the decks are stacked against men in terms of family law in western countries. Some MGTOW are anti-woman in their rhetoric. Many of them consider any man who gets married to be an idiot. My experience has been when you disagree with MGTOW on points of logic and reason, they tend to restort to personal insults, including insulting your marriage and children.

The similarity to radical feminists is that many MGTOW use rhetoric that paints any man who marries as a slave to his wife. It's similar to the way radical feminists in the '60's described marriage for women. Both groups are anti-marriage. The radical feminists were anti-male, and some of the MGTOW are anti-female.

MGTOW rhetoric is similar to a lot of manosophere rhetoric, except they latch onto the anti-marriage aspect. The rhetoric is also similar to what you might expect from a recently divorce, heartbroken man who just realized how badly the system is stacked against him, and wants to vent. The strange thing is, some of the MGTOWs have never been married.

But I think you would disagree with my understanding of what MGTOW is since you are married and consider yourself to be MGTOW. I've seen the debate online whether it is possible to be a married MGTOW. How would you define MGTOW? How is it different from my understanding?

I am also married to an Asian woman and I don't live in a western country. Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.

Btw, those comments you got from feminists sound kind of racist, or at least ethnocentric.

[Yohan]

Yohan
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But I think you would disagree with my understanding of what MGTOW is since you are married and consider yourself to be MGTOW. I've seen the debate online whether it is possible to be a married MGTOW. How would you define MGTOW? How is it different from my understanding?

I am also married to an Asian woman and I don't live in a western country. Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=31649
You Can't Be A MGTOW And Be Married At The Same Time

This thread was created not such a long time ago and should answer your questions.

BTW, I am also an admin of a MGTOW Forum, and I cannot imagine that any of our members might insult you for pointing out your arguments,
the reason you were running into insulting arguments is maybe that you were using forums which are typically created by US-men who are in harsh discussion with US feminists, also Australia is pretty bad in this sense.

You cannot mention anything about 'men's rights' in public without facing immediate hostility by feminists in Australia, even as a woman...
See the Youtube link below.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5y-BZyOxDg[/youtube]

[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=4vFpbjTaEYs[/youtube]

Also Canada is pretty bad...

[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=GVuK44kWgxk[/youtube]


Forums about men's rights, MGTOW which have members from other countries usually do not have such abusive comments in their forums, especially not forums which are not in English. It's maybe because women's behavior is more polite, at least keep a certain formal polite appearance against men, despite their feminist ideology is the same as everywhere.

[MrMan]

I think the angry fake red head may be from Canada.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.

The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

In contrast, you and most other married men live in the fog of blue pill existence where you smugly parrot the harmful nonsense you've been taught by family and religion which are detrimental to yourselves and other men.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Finally, there is a married man who considers himself a MGTOW who beautifully describes in the below video how his marriage is a restraint on his freedom and peace of mind as a man. I implore you to watch it to gain a better understanding of MGTOW.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkyNRPJWBQ[/youtube]

[OutWest]

Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.

The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

In contrast, you and most other married men live in the fog of blue pill existence where you smugly parrot the harmful nonsense you've been taught by family and religion which are detrimental to yourselves and other men.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Finally, there is a married man who considers himself a MGTOW who beautifully describes in the below video how his marriage is a restraint on his freedom and peace of mind as a man. I implore you to watch it to gain a better understanding of MGTOW.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkyNRPJWBQ[/youtube]

Marriage as a function of the state is undeniably grim. There are other limits on freedom of course. Debt, mortgages, relatives, conscience and duty, and finally, failing health and death. Your personal economic situation will likely determine many of your options.
I am married with kids. This coming year we set sail for an extended voyage in the South Seas. Are MGTOWs happier or more free? Maybe some are, contrarian included, but I have the MGTOW s I know personally as well as the married men beat by a country mile. Personal circumstances vary. A married man sailing the South Seas may very well be happier than the MGTOWs sitting in their mothers basement apartment, dreams and all.
In general, the state and its many women are slave masters.

[OutWest]

Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.

The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

In contrast, you and most other married men live in the fog of blue pill existence where you smugly parrot the harmful nonsense you've been taught by family and religion which are detrimental to yourselves and other men.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Finally, there is a married man who considers himself a MGTOW who beautifully describes in the below video how his marriage is a restraint on his freedom and peace of mind as a man. I implore you to watch it to gain a better understanding of MGTOW.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkyNRPJWBQ[/youtube]

Marriage as a function of the state is undeniably grim. There are other limits on freedom of course. Debt, mortgages, relatives, conscience and duty, and finally, failing health and death. Your personal economic situation will likely determine many of your options.
I am married with kids. This coming year we set sail for an extended voyage in the South Seas. Are MGTOWs happier or more free? Maybe some are, contrarian included, but I have the MGTOW s I know personally as well as the married men beat by a country mile. Personal circumstances vary. A married man sailing the South Seas may very well be happier than the MGTOWs sitting in their mothers basement apartment, dreams and all.
In general, the state and its many women are slave masters.

[OutWest]

Most MGTOW arguments do not apply to me, since the family legal system where I live is not stacked against men like the system is in many western countries. If you point that out to MGTOWs on some of the forums, they just insult you.

The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

In contrast, you and most other married men live in the fog of blue pill existence where you smugly parrot the harmful nonsense you've been taught by family and religion which are detrimental to yourselves and other men.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Finally, there is a married man who considers himself a MGTOW who beautifully describes in the below video how his marriage is a restraint on his freedom and peace of mind as a man. I implore you to watch it to gain a better understanding of MGTOW.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkyNRPJWBQ[/youtube]

Marriage as a function of the state is undeniably grim. There are other limits on freedom of course. Debt, mortgages, relatives, conscience and duty, and finally, failing health and death. Your personal economic situation will likely determine many of your options.
I am married with kids. This coming year we set sail for an extended voyage in the South Seas. Are MGTOWs happier or more free? Maybe some are, contrarian included, but I have the MGTOW s I know personally as well as the married men beat by a country mile. Personal circumstances vary. A married man sailing the South Seas may very well be happier than the MGTOWs sitting in their mothers basement apartment, dreams and all.
In general, the state and its many women are slave masters.

[MrMan]

The difference between you and and Yohan is that while you both are married, Yohan is smart enough to be "red pill aware" in that he fully appreciates the myriad pitfalls of marriage for men and has been wise enough to craft his life in ways that avoided them. Some might even consider Yohan a MGTOW, but others would not given his status as a married man. To me, his moniker does not matter because he is unmistakably red pill and of similar mindset of MGTOW and that is what is important.

You haven't been paying attention. On this issue, I am more aligned with Yohan than you are. I am aware of some of the dangers of the western legal system. I also warn men (on forums like this or elsewhere as I have opportunity) of the dangers of marrying the wrong type of woman who will divorce them and the problems with the legal system. I married a foreign woman and I live overseas, like Yohan.

I don't know if he lives overseas as an anti-divorce strategy. I don't. I didn't marry a foreigner to avoid the potential dangers of the family law court system in the US. I also would not say that there are no women in the US or other western countries who would make good wives, but I do think that good wives are in the minority.

You, on the other hand, insult men who marry or who think marriage is a good thing and try to convince men not to marry. Marriage is a good thing, if done rightly. Western culture and legal system are messed up.

If you really valued men's individual freedom to 'go their own way' so much, then you would realize that some men want to get married. Some men want to have children. The way to address them is to point out the red flags and pitfalls of marrying the wrong type of woman. There are risks involved when we make choices. The man who chooses to marry in the US has some legal and social risks. But there is also the risks involved in not getting married, that a man may end up alone, or that he may get to an age where he is low in the pecking order for attracting a desirable spouse because of his age, but decides late in life he wants to marry.

It is only when you have been either financially, psychologically, legally, and/or physically harmed by your marriage that the light bulb goes off. It does not matter that you wife is Asian or you do not live in the West, you are still at risk that you would be foolish to ignore and you would be evil to deny in front of young men.

You are quite pessimistic. I've got a good quality wife who has a good idea of her role as a wife, a strong morals, including morals related to marriage. She's hard-working and has a lot of good wifely and motherly skills.

If you are an atheist, what does 'evil' mean to you anyway? Don't you think all we are is a bunch of molecules bumping around anyway.

About your recurring complaint of being insulted by MGTOW. If you don't want to be beat upon the face, ensure you first throw no punches.

Throwing punches at a MGTOW is pointing out holes in their reasoning. In the conversation with another individual, I'd point out that his arguments that marriage was always bad idea was dependent totally on being in western culture and a legal system where the deck was stacked against men. It did not apply to men who married foreign women from certain other cultures and lived abroad. When there is no logic to support the argument, the MGTOW started calling names. You rather quickly started throwing the 'cuck' name around when I pointed out some problems with your argument. It is very middle-schoolish behavior. At least one other poster besides me has called you on it. If you can make your case base on the strength of your arguments, then you do not have to resort to name-calling or insulting a man's wife.

[MrMan]

Yohan,
What is the difference between being red pill (as in subscribing to manosphere philosophy) and being a MGTOW in your opinion?

My understanding was that MGTOW are 'red pill' men who decide not to marry and either are opposed to all marriages for men, ever, or else want to kind of go on strike against marriage until someday it becomes a more fair institution again.