Happier Abroad is DEAD. My horrible Kyiv dating experience and how I was almost killed.

[Cornfed]

I don't know where you're from dude but any self-respecting western guy would run from this wacko ASAP. It's violent and disrespectful behaviour and any guy prepared to accept it needs their head examined.

So you're running from lots of the chicks. Another reason why the bad guys always win.

Get out of your moms basement much?

Based on your post, perhaps it is time for you to get back into your mom's basement. Maybe you could add that to your poll.

[eurobrat]

I don't know where you're from dude but any self-respecting western guy would run from this wacko ASAP. It's violent and disrespectful behaviour and any guy prepared to accept it needs their head examined.

So you're running from lots of the chicks. Another reason why the bad guys always win.

Get out of your moms basement much?

Based on your post, perhaps it is time for you to get back into your mom's basement. Maybe you could add that to your poll.

At least I have a post and a poll and you have nothing you twat.

[Cornfed]

At least I have a post and a poll and you have nothing you twat.

This post makes no sense. Maybe that bitch was trying to slap some sense into you. We will have to look to others to judge Ukrainian females.

[Zambales]

I don't know where you're from dude but any self-respecting western guy would run from this wacko ASAP. It's violent and disrespectful behaviour and any guy prepared to accept it needs their head examined.

So you're running from lots of the chicks. Another reason why the bad guys always win.

Lots? The vast majority of women I've been with weren't violent.

But maybe they want at least the potential for you to be violent.

Who cares?

Add stupidity as well as violent to their resume because their illogical plan speaks volumes about what type of person they are.

[Winston]

There's no need for two threads about this. I'm going to combine the two threads.

[ssjparris]

well i had gotten kicked out of an apartment in lima peru once. i was homeless on the streets of peru for a week because a peruvian family wanted to bring more family members in the apartment they owned as they where more important then me. i explained my situation to them but they still didn't care. you do have to be careful in 3rd world countries. BUT i think her threats where just air. she is lying. no ukrainian guy would help do that.

also one thing i learned about american guys they are really paranoid about living in foreign countries that are poor. worried that bad things are going to happen if this or that person acts crazy.

[Winston]

@eurobrat come on now. You can't base a whole judgment about HA or global dating just based on ONE bad experience. Come on. You should know better than that. You gotta look at the big picture. You are acting too melodramatic, like a drama queen.

I've met hundreds of FSU girls and none of them ever threatened me like that, and none of them ever hit me before either (except for maybe Katya). What did you do to piss her off? Did you pressure her to have sex before she was ready? If so that does piss off some girls and makes them feel violated.

Besides, didn't you have a good experience last year with a Russian girl you met at the airport, who gave you sex and stimulating conversation, even though you were a stranger she met at the airport? And she even did it with you at her home, while her mom was around too? So how can you write off Russian girls when you've had luck like that, which I never had? You should be feeling blessed and lucky.

The solution is definitely not to go back to the US. If you go back to the US, you will regret it and wish you were back in Europe. At least in Ukraine the girls acknowledge your existence and treat you like you're in the game. In the US, the girls will ignore you as a stranger and you will feel like you're not even in the game. Nothing is worse than feeling ignored like you don't exist, as though you were a ghost, while you are surrounded by hot girls everywhere but you can't do anything about it.

Try going to Santa Cruz, CA and go to the boardwalk. See how there are tons of sexy girls walking around showing off their bodies and suntans. Yet none of them will acknowledge your existence or give you a chance. They will all have a cold wall that says "No talking to strangers. It's inappropriate. Mind your own business. We are all look but no touch. Only creeps approach girls." It will be very torturous. Like being in a candy store and not being able to taste anything. Or like being on Baywatch and being totally ignored and treated like a loser. It will destroy your self-esteem and make you feel like crap. At that point, you will say "Winston was right. I was better off in Europe." At least in Ukraine, you are in the game and girls will allow you to approach and not feel like a creep.

Perhaps you miss America and are homesick. If so, then go visit your family there. But ultimately you will miss Europe.

Perhaps you are emotional and upset now, and wrote the above out of a temper tantrum, but once you calm down, you will realize that I was right.

Why don't you try Latvia and Lithuania? The girls there are sweet and feminine and giggle and are approachable. They are not mean spirited or violent or overtly greedy. Or try Romania again since you said it was friendly and approachable and English speaking.

Also, even if Ukraine isn't right for you, there are so many other areas, like Latin America, Mexico, Southeast Asia, Former Soviet Republics, Eastern Russia, etc. The world still has 200 countries which is more than enough and more than you can ever see. Think about it.

Btw your poll option should include "Stay in Europe and try other girls in Eastern Europe or Southern Europe."

[Light]

You actually believe hitting a woman will command automatic respect?

You sir are a newbie to dealing with women.

I didn't say hitting a woman would automatically command respect but it will teach her do not hit a man without good cause. In some cases it will command respect because girls want an alpha not a beta. If a girl knows she can talk down, insult, and hit a man and the man just takes it, she won't have any respect for that man. She will view him as weak and easy to exploit because if he doesn't strike her back and he stays then she knows she can get away with almost anything.

Some girls wouldn't ever need to be hit by a guy but some women do it to test a guy. I also didn't say beat a woman, I said a loving strike to teach a woman not to do something like she shouldn't hit a man for no reason. There's a big difference between beating a woman for the hell of it and a loving strike to discipline her.

How old are you buddy you sound about 25.

I am actually 30. If you don't believe in striking a girl as a form of loving discipline that is fine because different people have different beliefs. You never answered any of my questions in my original reply.

Maybe she said those things and threatened you because she was upset with you and wanted to say hurtful things. Maybe you did something she didn't like. Maybe she hit you because you were a jerk to her. You even said after you apologized, that she invited you back to the bed or demanded it. If she demanded it then maybe she didn't think it was right for you to continue to continuing sleep where you were. How can we blame the Ukrainian woman without hearing more details like the questions I asked but you didn't answer? You had a bad experience in Kiev but it doesn't mean every man will have a bad experience.

I would recommend you go to the Philippines which was one of the options on your poll because you would probably be able to easily get a Filipino girlfriend.

[Light]

@eurobrat come on now. You can't base a whole judgment about HA or global dating just based on ONE bad experience. Come on. You should know better than that. You gotta look at the big picture. You are acting too melodramatic, like a drama queen.

I've met hundreds of FSU girls and none of them ever threatened me like that, and none of them ever hit me before either (except for maybe Katya). What did you do to piss her off? Did you pressure her to have sex before she was ready? If so that does piss off some girls and makes them feel violated.

I also thought that maybe he did something to piss her off. Pressuring her to have sex before she was ready would be one way to really make a girl have mood swings and it is one of the things I thought he could have done. He says in his OP the sex was bad and the woman put no effort into it. If a girl is into a guy and ready to have sex then she will put effort into making it a good experience.

[gsjackson]

Russian/Eastern European woman are just like American woman. You'd be better off finding a White Siberian woman from the Russian Far East or poor rural area. Avoid city girls. Or, how about a White woman from Romania or another poor Slavic country? They might be better than most other White woman from the city areas.

The world is pretty culturally flat these days. I don’t know why Winston keeps promoting the Russian Ukranian women they’re not easy to deal with.

Is it correct to conflate Ukraine with Russia? I've been wondering quite a bit about how individuals are affected by the prevailing cultural and political climate> Kyiv is the most dysfunctional capital in the world today, its public life fraudulent, corrupt and truly heinous. Russia currently has adult, even virtuous leadership, and is the world's best hope to thwart the zio-empire. There's something in the Bible about the people taking cues from their leaders, and thriving under good ones. it's not so radical a concept. So Russia is my next destination to check out the theory.

[redfeather]

Eurobrat,
I was in Kiev and Sumy and Poltava in Jan 2018 going on dates with Ukraine women.
I am a retired Army Colonel.
I have a close friend that lives in Kiev, and he told me to avoid any women from Kiev and Odessa because they were too stuck up.
I did find the women to have many of the traits that we all dislike in American women.

I agree with your list:
1) Bad sex, we did it 2x and both times no effort on her part.
2) Princess attitude and mentality far worse than western women (didn't expect this).
3) Obsession with money and material things (she's looking for a guy that makes €300k+ a year).
4) Hitting me randomly 2-3 times during the trip or yelling at me in Russian, she was like dating a ghetto black girl.
5) Broken english and her misinterpreting me or any kind of english humour (even though she claimed to be fluent in English).

One Russian woman hit me in the chest pretty hard for no real reason, and I am built muscular as hell...I am thinking what the hell is that all about.
I smelled an uneasy sense of trust from these women, and I felt I could not trust them.
I am easy to have a conversation with, and not uptight at all.
I too had chatted with these women for 3-4 months before flying to Ukraine to meet them.
On my last few days before I left Kiev I evaluated what I had just seen in Ukraine and I decided to put Ukraine on hold.
I returned home and switched my search to the Philippines and man have I had way way better success.
I have a thread under the Philippines tab that you can go read...I am in a relationship with a girl from the Phils.
I would recommend for most guys to start their search in the Phils, and I believe they will have far better success in the Phils.
I do not plan to go back to Ukraine.
Take a look at the Phils, and I believe you will like it way better than Ukraine.

[Light]

Russian/Eastern European woman are just like American woman. You'd be better off finding a White Siberian woman from the Russian Far East or poor rural area. Avoid city girls. Or, how about a White woman from Romania or another poor Slavic country? They might be better than most other White woman from the city areas.

The world is pretty culturally flat these days. I don’t know why Winston keeps promoting the Russian Ukranian women they’re not easy to deal with.

Is it correct to conflate Ukraine with Russia? I've been wondering quite a bit about how individuals are affected by the prevailing cultural and political climate> Kyiv is the most dysfunctional capital in the world today, its public life fraudulent, corrupt and truly heinous. Russia currently has adult, even virtuous leadership, and is the world's best hope to thwart the zio-empire. There's something in the Bible about the people taking cues from their leaders, and thriving under good ones. it's not so radical a concept. So Russia is my next destination to check out the theory.

I agree with you. I personally wouldn't want to date a girl from Kiev because after the coup Ukraine is now under a corrupt pro-American government that was installed as American proxies. For that reason I intend to mainly focus on girls from Russia and Belarus over Ukraine.

[publicduende]

But maybe they want at least the potential for you to be violent.

You don't hook up with a violent girl and be violent. You simply leave her alone.

[MrPeabody]

I went to Kiev over 15 years ago and didn't meet any nasty women, but they were too cold for me and seemed to be more interested in a career than a man and a family.

[SteveUKR]

Which city was she from? Can you post a link to her profile? (Since you said you will not be returning to Ukraine anymore.)

I don't have her profile as I'm off the site now for 6 months, she was from Zaporozhye. I have another Polish 19 year old girl coming to visit me in about 3 weeks.