gsjackson wrote: ↑August 30th, 2018, 4:06 pm
CE, do you find Currie's methods work as well in eastern Europe, where supposedly notions of romance and courtship still survive, as in the U.S. where everybody's a scam artist and direct honesty is such a refreshing contrast?
This is a very interesting question. Given that Currie tends to go after African American women (who respond favorably to his early and crude references to sexual interest), I would say his specific "method" does not work for the type of women I go after in Eastern Europe. HOWEVER, the nugget of brilliance in his approach has worked wonders for me. Allow me to explain....
Currie is right in that he classifies women into four types:
Reciprocators - Women who immediately indicate their mutual sexual interest, however subtle. (maybe 10% of women IME)
Rejectors - Women who immediately indicate their lack of sexual interest so you can drop them and move on. Currie considers these responses from honest women as blessings in disguise. (maybe 25% IME)
"Wholesome" Pretenders - Women who pretend to be put-off or offended to not appear cheap (sh.t-testing), but whose sexual interest is mutual. Currie advises to indulge them, but I say drop them and move on in this day and age since they are too risky to further pursue in my view. (maybe 15% IME)
Manipulative Timewasters - These are the manipulative women to avoid who only wish to string you along to extract attention and resources from you. Currie's direct approach immediately allows you to identify and drop these women to their chagrin. (maybe 50% IME)
In Eastern Europe where women are high sexual market value, the crude approach in the first conversation would likely never work unless you are dealing with low-SMV types, desperate cougars or prostitutes. So what I found fruitful is identifying the girls I find attractive, being witty and polite, letting my sexual interest be known, and insisting on a clear positive or negative response. Any girl who is does not want to give a positive or negative response or says "maybe" is in the Manipulative Timewaster category and dropped. I have found that this is extremely efficient, and immediately places me in the sexual interest part of a woman's thinking, and not the friendzone part of her thinking. This is where most men fail early on.
So the philosophical underpinnings of Currie's approach work wonders, even though his crude sexual overtures at the first meeting could get you beat upon by local men in Eastern Europe and arrested in the Anglosphere. Politeness, wit, yet insisting on a yes or no is golden (remember noncommittal is a manipulator's no).
I have also found that some girls in Eastern Europe get "Rejector's Remorse" because they are not accustomed to being unmercifully dropped by men. They have later become sexually interested for whatever reason (no longer having a boyfriend, their fertility window hormones changed their view, etc.) This is something Currie does not write about, but it is truly a thing. I find that a man's rejection of a woman, immediately raises his SMV in their eyes due to the axiom, "People tend to want what they cannot have."
gsjackson wrote:
Currie's approach really intrigues me. I was at the Indiana campus going to law school when he was an undergraduate there. Things all went my way back then and I thought I was the biggest Romeo in those parts, but if a tenth of what he brags about is true he was in a different league. And he doesn't have the regrets about one-night stands I do from that period, because he didn't essentially lie by presenting himself as a nice guy and good long-term prospect when he just wanted to get laid.
Currie is a bit of a blowhard and I think he grossly overstates his prowess as a means to market himself and his books. Also, the African American women he goes after are often undersexed, older, unmarried, and quite often ignored by most men. Currie could conceivably run the table with them, but surely would not have a winning batting average with blonde, thin, attractive mid western women (or Eastern Europeans).
gsjackson wrote:
I've long used the direct approach by approaching and telling them I think they're attractive. But the attraction is sexual, and I've never gotten verbally explicit about that. Problem is I was raised by the quintessential gentleman -- straight out of a Fred Astaire movie. But that culture is long gone, at least in the U.S. Is total, direct honesty the new real gentlemanliness?
I think most of the parents from our generation (my dad was a virtual Nat King Cole) sold us on a raw deal in preparing us for modern realities, but they were simply doing what they thought was best for that time. Women back then did not have the dizzying choices they have now so today's women have to be almost shocked into action from men who are direct in their particular sexual interest, not just romantic interest.
I'd advise you to experiment to find the sweet spot between politeness and explicitness works best for you (But not on Western women). You might be quite surprised to know that when I was testing limits with even American women how well it went. I would go to American strip clubs and talk with the cocktail waitresses (never the strippers, ugh). I would strike up rapport with them and come off like a happy go lucky type, then veer into how they appeared to be the type of girl who liked to be tied up and have unspeakables performed on them. Lilly-white college girls half my age would have faces that lit up with laughter and intrigue because they 1) appreciated my lack of fear in saying such things 2) my honesty in that my cards were on the table where 99% of other men would be dishonest about their interest and therefore "dangerous" in their minds. The female brain is very strange like that.
True story: Here in Eastern Europe, just 3 months ago, I was in a club and there was only one smoking hot girl there with her female friend. They are dancing together, going back to their booth to sip on drinks and just relaxing. I go up to the hot girl and ask if they are lesbians and am surprised to find out that they are not, just two cousins having fun after a week of hard work. She invites me to their table and I tell her that I she is interesting looking, wholly unlike any of the girls in that country but that I am only into girls when they have tattoos and she is not that type. She frantically begins to show me the tattoo on her hip, her shoulder, and then rolls down her sock to so me the tattoo on her foot. I behave as though I am therefore quite impressed (I already found her hot), and told her she was just the type of girl I go for and of the "unspeakables" (girls tend to like the mystery of that word) I would do to her. She laughs and tells me that she is engaged to be married and shows me an iPhone photo of the fiance who is a businessman in Moscow. She says he is a really good man, but she does not love him. Her mother pressured her to accept him because of his money. I tell her that she is not married yet so she should come with me so I show her why I like tattoos so much. She agrees and gets into a bit argument with her cousin who is freaking out that she's being left alone and that her more gorgeous, dainty, cousin is going off with this 6'4" giant of a black man. I buy the cousin a fresh drink, hand her over some taxi money to get home and all is well.
The hot girl visits me several times to hang out with me in my hotel lounge, each time insisting to go back up to my room afterwards. We stay in touch and we'll see each other again when I get back to that city next week.
I recount that story because it illustrates the roundabout way I have put to use Currie's direct and upfront approach in Europe. I find that when a girl finds a guy interesting, AND he is not afraid to calmly put his sexual interest on the table, it can be irresistible for them depending on where they are in the reproductive cycle and other factors. On another day, she might have told me to buzz off, who knows? But younger men these days see women the same as men and are too oriented towards being chivalrous, white knights. Women don't like that at all, despite what they say.
So I would say Alan Roger Currie's Mode One theory (with the right cultural calibrations for high SMV European girls) is golden! Start giving it some test runs with high end strip club waitresses (not the strippers who are are there to act), then employ it here in Europe when you come back. Keep in mind though, I would never use it when I meet a girl during the day. Only when I have graduated to having her alone in a cafe or a date do I go there with it. Currie would not approve of not having already established the mutual sexual interest beforehand, but again, he is not here in Europe.
and should have known you would try to use it. I am nothing but a walking talking accent, nothing to do with my ability or personality, because none of that matters to american girls right?.