That video clip of the little boy is the most hopeful thing I've seen on Youtube in months.
But getting down to business....
Contrarian Expatriate wrote: ↑July 12th, 2019, 6:13 pm
Catholic priests are required to be Volcels; there is nothing MGTOW about them because they are not refraining from that to protect themselves from female and state domination. In fact, they are commanded by faith to submit to state authority (The Vatican) which is anathema to MGTOW.
MGTOW: Men who do not pursue marital or co-parenting relationships with women.
There is nothing in our definition above that requires a MGTOW to have as his motivation the desire to protect himself from female and state domination.
Would you like to amend it to require specific motivation? If we were to do that, yes, we can keep the Catholic priests and other groups out, but I think we will discover other problems....
PUA run the gamut because many of them are very blue pill (Coach Corey Wayne), some are very red pill (Alpha Male Strategies), and some are actually MGTOW for life (Matt Cross). Matt Cross is one of the best PUA's out there (although he now is more of a masculinity coach) and he lives a very high end MGTOW life.
If they are not pursuing marriage or co-parenting relationships then they are MGTOW by the above definition. Since the marriage/co-parenting lifestyle clashes *real hard* with the PUA lifestyle is it that bad an assumption to make that most of them are?
Again, adding a clause about motivation to the definition
might help....
Very few people are truly incel. That term just gets thrown around a lot by people who no little about what that truly means. Anyone can screw an ugly or desparate female but most of what you consider incels are men undeveloped in value and they expect to screw models and 9's and 10's when they are 2's and 3's. True incels are mentally, psychologically or physically unable to have sex even though they want it (@@Cornfed comes to mind as one example of all three.) Those who are too ill, too disabled, or too injured can be incels because anyone else could pay a financially needy person to have sex on demand.
The nerdy HS Senior who can't get a hot girl to sleep with him is not an incel, he has not reached a high level of SMV for his goal or he has set his sexual sights too high.
I completely agree that very few people are truly incel. There is an issue with how a comparatively larger (and I, suspect, fast-growing) group of men identify with what is, taken literally, an extremely exclusive label. After all, it's not just 2's and 3's unable to land 9's and 10'. 6's and 7's can't land 9's and 10's. Arguably, 6's and 7's can't land 6's and 7's any more, the way the sexual marketplace is headed.
What is the word we should use to refer to this larger group of men who are, for whatever reasons that could be both voluntary and involuntary, sexually/romantically frustrated? Simply "Cel"?
Whatever we call them, I think many of them could be considered MGTOW by the above definition. If you're not even getting that Tinder match then you're probably not thinking too much about marriage or co-parenting.