How To Get (and KEEP) Hot Girls - The Girlfriend Allowance

[privateduende]

I ran through a bunch of semi-pros, agency girls and independent escorts in Ukraine until I found that independent I see regularly. Most of these girls were university graduates in their young 20's, with a few were still in school. Many of them very pretty (top 30% of girls in beauty, which is saying a lot in Ukraine). Mostly junk degrees in business and marketing. My own girl has an engineering degree, probably because her father encouraged that (he only had daughters and she's the eldest, so he pushed her into boy type stuff, so then she rebelled by doing the most girl thing possible, which is whoring) plus all theen teachers probably further encouraged her because she's such a beauty and much more fun to teach than boy students. Well, anyway, so she gets the degree and then what? Work for $400/month in some noisy, dirty factory in a small town and then be sexually harassed by the boss? Versus live in Kyiv and make $400 in one day having sex with interesting foreign businessman? It's a no-brainer.

I've also met other mongers in Kyiv, they show men their Viber conversations, I've even shared some of the same girls! Prostitution is rampant among young women in Ukraine, including and maybe especially university girls. Maybe 10% of them experiment with it. My own girl is very careful to only see foreigners (Russian businessmen count as foreigners and were her best customers prior to the war) and never goes out in public with clients, to protect her reputation. Many other girls are like that, though not all.

That Ukrainian guy reacted with anger because he knows what I'm saying is true, that many beautiful young Ukrainian women are prostitutes and that they prefer foreign clients for various reasons, including hiding their activities from local guys. Also, as everywhere, there is a percentage of Ukrainian women who prefer black men, and they will seek out these black men for sex, though they may try to avoid being seen with them in public to avoid problems with jealous locals.

In other words, your Ukrainian friend is the one who is full of shit.

Well, wait a minute. Of course lots of these "college girls" will moonlight as escorts and their fellow students may or may not know about it. I related to him the specific case of those who are clearly not interested in the oldest profession and people like CE would be luring into trying the sugar daddying proposition.

CE has been bragging about getting the "girl next door" type into a sugar daddying arrangement, not the graduate or the independent, mature type. If he got the escort types I don't know but I guess those types would offer the same kind of services/rates to him as to anyone else.

CE specifically mentioned "dating" girls as if they were his exclusive property, in fact "submitted" to loyalty by virtue of his notorious "gf allowance".

So of course I am not taking my Ukrainian workmate's word as the gospel, I already said it was a bit too crude a statement, but there must be some truth to it. I guess it depends who you approach.

[Shemp]

CE has been bragging...

Reason I know something is wrong about CE's stories is because of how he writes, more than from the actual content. There are rich playboys in this world who are incredibly charismatic with women. I've met such guys in real life even. But there are also lots of bullshit artists, especially online, and I've become pretty good at spotting then from my years on these forums.

RooshVForum was notorious for attracting bullshit artists precisely because the old RVF was a giant circle jerk where most of the posters were desperate to impress the other guys and be validated by their approval, and this encouraged exaggerating or even outright making up of stories. The sugar lifestyle reddit is full of female bullshit artists, while the sugar dating reddit is run by a guy who specializes in detecting such female bullshitters. SwoopTheWorld has a few resident bullshit artists who migrated from RVF (after Roosh's mushroom trip and subsequent religious conversion and repentance for promoting sex outside marriage).

I lurk at most of these forums because I get banned quickly for speaking my mind. For whatever reason, some people, including me, can easily detect bullshit while others can't. With CE, my bullshit detector was always flashing yellow, meaning partly false, though possibly partly true. I don't bother calling him out except when he presents facts that clearly are misleading other people.

Offering $400/month to pretty girls aged 18-25 in the Miami area to be their sugar daddy definitely sounds like bullshit. Either the girl is truly attracted to CE, in which case he dates her normally (which probably costs more than $400/month in Miami for things like restaurants and pimping his lifestyle enough to attract young women) but doesn't give cash, or he is going after bottle of the barrel girls, because $400/month is laughable by Miami standards fur a sugar daddy, assuming 4 meetings per month. Now if a guy is poor and normally dating a poor woman, maybe the guy tells the woman, "instead of taking you out to restaurants, how about I give you $100 each week and we use that to buy some wine and eat at home?" I can see that making sense. But CE claims to be rich and to flaunt his wealth by showing these girls photos of his glamourous international trabels, etc. When a guy is showing off like that, he can either give the girl nothing (though he pays all the bills when they go out together) or he gives a lot more than $400/month, at least in Miami, and especially with top-tier girls in Miami. Telling a girl you're rich and then giving $400/month in Miami just makes a guy look foolish.

CE is correct that the sugar baby lifestyle is a growing phenomenon and all the young women know about it. But precisely because they all know about it, the ones who participate also know the going rates, and those rates are a lot higher than $400/month in Miami even for average girls 18-25.

I also lurk at the International Sex Guide forum. Bullshit there mostly consists of exaggerating the girl's beauty (calling her a 9 when she's actually a 3). Much discussion there has to do with prices, because even though Ukraine is cheap to men like me, it's not so cheap for mongers from Turkey or India. So I get insight into how hard negotiators and bargain hunters think. Probably some of those hard sell Turks could get girls in Miami for $400/month in the short-run, by making promises about the future. This is how PUAs operate. In the long run, of course, girls figure out the promises are lies. Whereas CE's online personality doesn't match that of a true hard negotiator and manipulator of girls minds, so again something is off.

[WorldTraveler]

RooshVForum was notorious for attracting bullshit artists precisely because the old RVF was a giant circle jerk where most of the posters were desperate to impress the other guys and be validated by their approval, and this encouraged exaggerating or even outright making up of stories. The sugar lifestyle reddit is full of female bullshit artists, while the sugar dating reddit is run by a guy who specializes in detecting such female bullshitters. SwoopTheWorld has a few resident bullshit artists who migrated from RVF (after Roosh's mushroom trip and subsequent religious conversion and repentance for promoting sex outside marriage).

I'd like to comment on the old RooshVForum and SwoopTheWorld. Roosh promoted bullshit artists and the taller the tales the better. If you called any of these guys out, you could easily get banned as "Game Denialist." The info there on Seeking Arraignment / Sugaring was bullshit. All the guys claimed to be getting it for free, due to their superior Game skills. There were too many bullshitters to remember. Some of the biggest bullshit artist of the past were TheGManifesto and Mixx. More recently was Digital Nomad who traveled the world staying in hostels and notching over 100 girls a year. I finally gave up reading trip reports and trying to determine accuracy and just write them all off as bullshit. I'd just use them to get the names of bars, hotels, and hostels.

Swoop the World is not much better. The two founders, 20Nation and Travel Hardcore, wrote articles about banging 3 or 4 girls a day in DR, Philippines, Thailand, Colombia, etc. Even though they went to known P4P freelance bars or locations known for P4P, these guys never paid for anything. All the P4P girls they got, they shored. This obsessive lying on PUA sites is not good for young men. They learn nothing, except how to be liars themselves.

PUA is a joke in that it says you don't need money and looks to get girls if you have good Game. Money and looks are important. I've never been anywhere in the world where these two things aren't important. I do believe Game is very important too, and if you can't execute, you'll be alone most of the time, or you'll just lose your money. The guys that do the best have all three. Sorry to inform the poor backpackers, but just showing up won't get you laid. Also, to guys on these romance tours, if you are a loser in your own country and clueless about women, you will only get "taken" at a romance tour to Ukraine or another country. You won't find a wife, you'll only end up with a lighter wallet and credit card debt.

[Shemp]

...All the P4P girls they got they shored. This obsessive lying on PUA sites is not good for young men. They learn nothing, except how to be liars themselves. ...

This is another yellow flag with CE. On the one hand he says he's rich and these girls are true girlfriends. On the other hand, he's always talking about how little he spends, as if that's an accomplishment. Now if you're hiring women to do piecework sewing for your business, let's say, I can see boasting about low rates you pay, and that is both an accomplishment and useful information if true, because some business ideas only work with cheap labor. (Taking advantage of cheap labor is nothing to be ashamed of, since the more people who take advantage of it, the sooner it ceases to be cheap.)

But if you actually have a relationship with a quality girl, isn't it normal to be generous (aka putting golden handcuffs on the girl so she can't easily leave)? Generous doesn't mean sacrificing yourself. But CE is retired, wealthy, says he has 6 figure income from 10-20% per year on his investments plus sweet pension, no children or other dependents. Plus he spends much of the year in Eastern Europe, which is cheap. So he should have huge amounts of disposable income. So why so cheap with the girls? Maybe some form of sexual domination that I don't understand. Or maybe he's bullshitting about his wealth. Or maybe his girls are such junk he doesn't care if they stick around or not.

As for those PUAs, IMO their worst sin is encouraging young guys to bum around in their 20's, traveling the world trying to get laid for free, versus building a career and accumulating wealth. Plus they encourage heavy drinking, drugs and other unhealthy behavior. Being 40+ years old with no money, no career and bad health really sucks, regardless of your notch count.

[Winston]

So of course I am not taking my Ukrainian workmate's word as the gospel, I already said it was a bit too crude a statement, but there must be some truth to it. I guess it depends who you approach.

Not to sound racist, but in my experience Ukraine people and Russian people do lie a lot. One obvious provable one that pisses me off is that if you ask them, they will all say they are not racist toward Asians at all. But the fact is, in Moscow 95 percent of apartment owners will not rent to you if you are not white. They even say so in the apartment ad in the paper. Others don't say so but when you show up if you're not white, you are brushed off and told the room is no longer available, yet it still is available in the paper or webpage. So as they say, actions speak louder than words. This is an example of an obvious lie. So yes, they do lie, unfortunately.

Moreover, all the neighboring countries around Russia do not like Russians immigrating to their country. They are known to be scammers, liars and cheaters, so their people are not welcome. This is hot Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Romanians, etc feel about them. So they have a long standing reputation for being dishonest and shady and having no ethics or conscience. Instead they have a "survivalist, might makes right, take advantage of others any way you can" type of mentality.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

As uncharacteristically catty as you have been of late (not sure what that's about), you do bring up some fair questions. I really do not care if you believe me or not, but this is my reasoning on these matters you mentioned.

This is another yellow flag with CE. On the one hand he says he's rich and these girls are true girlfriends.

I do not consider myself "rich." Rich is the spendthrift, professional athlete on a 100 million dollar contract who blows through is money and is bankrupt 5 years after his career ends. I prefer the term "independently wealthy" which implies a nice, but relatively modest lifestyle conducive with continuous investment while still enjoying life comfortably.

On the girlfriend issue, what constitutes a "true" girlfriend as you use it? If you are implying that I am guaranteeing that these girls are ONLY dating me, you are wrong. With SOME of the girls, that is indeed the case due to cultural/religious reasons. But in places like Ukraine, I could care less if these girls are dating me along with some other blokes. If they are, such would only be fair because I certainly do not date them exclusively. HOWEVER, these girls are responsive, available, enthusiastic, and enjoyable enough for me to assume that they are dating only me when I am with them. Some of them admit they are dating others guys, and some tell me they are fed up with all local guys. But attractive girls ALWAYS have other options and they are free to avail themselves of it even when they are with me.

One anecdote from last fall in Kyiv is I was sitting out front of Paul Cafe with my then Jewish girl from Odessa, a first year art student from a single parent home. A group of her classmates past by and saw us together and made a bit of a jovial fuss. She then received a text message from one of them asking, "Who is that?" She was perturbed, unembarrassed, unmoved and said, "I go to school with them, but I don't care because this is my personal life." I only dated her for the month I was there, but she was enjoying herself, being treated to cafes, and being spoiled unlike ever before that she considered me more significant than her acquaintances from her university. Could she have been dating on the side? Certainly! But she is young, attractive, and far be it for me to want to stop her.

On the other hand, he's always talking about how little he spends, as if that's an accomplishment.

Well, I do take pride in being wise with money and spending according to value to me. That being the case, I almost always fly economy class even though I could fly Business Class (First class is a rip off), because the cost is simply not high enough value to justify the couple of thousand dollars more. On occasion, there are short flights within Europe, I do fly Business Class because the 1 or 2 hundred dollars more is worth the extra money.

Same goes with girls. Older girls often feel that they are worth thousands of dollars a month for some reason. But they do not understand that they are not worth that much TO ME. Younger girls, who have often never even met a foreigner and certainly not a man who can provide an allowance for them, are tickled pink at just a couple of hundred dollars a month to ease their worries. They represent better value to me because they are younger, more attractive, less jaded, and appreciative of LESS from me.

Instead of focusing on money, have you considered what, in addition to money, you are giving to the girls? Some of these girls value being paid attention to. Some of these girls value going to the mall to get a warmer winter coat. Some of these girls love getting life advice from a Western man. Some of these girls love being taken to get eyeglasses (that pays HUGE dividends). Some of these girls like being held, caressed, massaged, or experience other physical/sexual sensations they never experienced before. Some of these girls like being made to laugh and giggle. Some like to be roughhoused and wrestled. Some like correcting my Russian. Some like telling me what worries them. Some like simply to be respected and listened to. I can tell you when these things are present, the matter of money is but icing on the cake to them.

But if you actually have a relationship with a quality girl, isn't it normal to be generous (aka putting golden handcuffs on the girl so she can't easily leave)? Generous doesn't mean sacrificing yourself. But CE is retired, wealthy, says he has 6 figure income from 10-20% per year on his investments plus sweet pension, no children or other dependents. Plus he spends much of the year in Eastern Europe, which is cheap. So he should have huge amounts of disposable income. So why so cheap with the girls? Maybe some form of sexual domination that I don't understand. Or maybe he's bullshitting about his wealth. Or maybe his girls are such junk he doesn't care if they stick around or not.

I do actually want to INCREASE my wealth, and accomplish other business goals sooner rather than later. That being the case, I don't WASTE money or just throw it away at people. Perhaps when I am 80 years old, I will indeed do that, but not yet.

But I also realize that as I get older and less spritely in time, I will certainly have to be more generous with women to garner their attention. That day will definitely come so there is no reason for me to be a spendthrift prematurely!

Think of Hugh Hefner, he was a LEGENDARY sugar daddy who housed young models in his mansion for decades because he had the money to do so. Now I could never dream of having his level of wealth and sway over women, he is someone I hope to emulate at some small level when I am in my 80s.

Also, you are correct in thinking that I do not care if the girls stick around. I just don't. Girls are fickle. Girls meet other guys. Girls move back to their home towns without notice. I therefore don't develop oneitis or girls, especially hot ones! As the red pill saying goes, "No girl ever belongs to me, it is just simply MY TURN." Also, I have had girls disappear, fall in love with some other guy, grow depressed, and then come running back to me. I expect that to happen, and it just comes with the territory so I don't care and I just focus on who is available at the time.

As for those PUAs, IMO their worst sin is encouraging young guys to bum around in their 20's, traveling the world trying to get laid for free, versus building a career and accumulating wealth. Plus they encourage heavy drinking, drugs and other unhealthy behavior. Being 40+ years old with no money, no career and bad health really sucks, regardless of your notch count.

Agree with you 100% there.

If it makes you feel better. I get more than my share of rejections. I graciously accept that as part of the process of connecting with girls, younger and hotter ones especially. But when I cast my fishing line and it gets a nibble, I reel it in and get to feast on some of the best, most tender tasting fish anywhere.

Like I said, I don't care if you or anyone else believes me or not. This is just how it is.

[hypermak]

Not to sound racist, but in my experience Ukraine people and Russian people do lie a lot. One obvious provable one that pisses me off is that if you ask them, they will all say they are not racist toward Asians at all. But the fact is, in Moscow 95 percent of apartment owners will not rent to you if you are not white. They even say so in the apartment ad in the paper. Others don't say so but when you show up if you're not white, you are brushed off and told the room is no longer available, yet it still is available in the paper or webpage. So as they say, actions speak louder than words. This is an example of an obvious lie. So yes, they do lie, unfortunately.

Moreover, all the neighboring countries around Russia do not like Russians immigrating to their country. They are known to be scammers, liars and cheaters, so their people are not welcome. This is hot Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Romanians, etc feel about them. So they have a long standing reputation for being dishonest and shady and having no ethics or conscience. Instead they have a "survivalist, might makes right, take advantage of others any way you can" type of mentality.

This Ukranian guy is one of the Hospitality Managers, he's not a kid, he's in his late 30s and probably well educated. I have no reason to believe he was lying but what I did sense is that he was talking out of a bias against the fact that CE is in his 50s. I didn't mention the fact that he is black, as that is totally irrelevant (right, Cornfed? )

I don't know if Ukrainians are more racist than other Eastern Europeans or Europeans towards non-Caucasians. Certainly it's far easier to find Asians in London than in Kyev or Moscow. In my interaction with people from that part of the world I never saw any form of discrimination. But then again, most of the people I met were foreigners in foreign land, so themselves quite sensitive to the problem of being treated differently.

[Shemp]

Also, you are correct in thinking that I do not care if the girls stick around. I just don't. Girls are fickle. Girls meet other guys. Girls move back to their home towns without notice. I therefore don't develop oneitis or girls, especially hot ones!

Now your stories make sense. Basically, your girls are junk, at least in your eyes, whether or not they are hot. No wonder you find it easy to get girls: junk girls are plentiful. Whereas quality girls, like quality men, are rare. The determination of junk versus quality is what you think, not what other men think. But clearly you see these girls as junk, which is why you don't care about losing them. You'd feel different if you saw them as quality. If you don't agree, possibly you've never once in your life met a girl you thought was quality. That would explain a lot about you and also PUAs.

"Oneitis" is another of those stupid redpill/pua/mgtow buzz words. Why do some key workers get extremely high pay? Because their employer has oneitis for them? No, because the employer is smart enough to see that these workers are unusually talented and hard to replace, so in the employer's interest to lock the worker down with golden handcuffs. Similarly, a smart man takes steps to retain quality women when he finds one, because such women are most definitely NOT easy to replace.

In traditional societies, a smart man moves quickly to marry a quality woman before someone else does. For men like me and you, the smart thing is to get her hooked on a steady infusion of money, high enough to deter most competitors, though doesn't have to be super high, since most men will pay nothing and men with money are themselves rare, but it does need to be more than the amounts you mention.

Of course nothing is forever. Taking steps to keep a quality woman around doesn't guarantee she'll stick around. Smart men airways prepare for worst case contingencies.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Basically, your girls are junk, at least in your eyes, whether or not they are hot. No wonder you find it easy to get girls: junk girls are plentiful. Whereas quality girls, like quality men, are rare.

"Oneitis" is another of those stupid redpill/pua/mgtow buzz words.

So the fact that attractive, younger girls have choices which they are free to take advantage of means they are "junk girls?" I personally think that girls of that age SHOULD be exploring and finding themselves, not permanently hitching their wagon to some affluent men who come into their lives. Just as they have the right to pursue their professional and educational development, their social, interpersonal, and sexual development is their right too.

But the important thing to note here is that I think you've stepped far too deeply into the realm of negativity. Not sure what in your life has taken you down that path, but it is not something I'd prefer to keep indulging. You keep doing what you do, and I'll keep enjoying what I do.

I'll be placing you on my ignore list as of right now. I wish you well.....

[Shemp]

So the fact that attractive, younger girls have choices which they are free to take advantage of means they are "junk girls?" I personally think that girls of that age SHOULD be exploring and finding themselves, not permanently hitching their wagon to some affluent men who come into their lives. Just as they have the right to pursue their professional and educational development, their social, interpersonal, and sexual development is their right too.

Very noble sounding, but my bullshit detector is flashing again. When a man truly finds a girl attractive (and like I said, that is the criterion for quality, what you feel about her, not what other men feel), he doesn't blather on like you are doing above. Blather like the above implies weak desire, meaning the woman is junk in the man's eyes.

But the important thing to note here is that I think you've stepped far too deeply into the realm of negativity. Not sure what in your life has taken you down that path, but it is not something I'd prefer to keep indulging. You keep doing what you do, and I'll keep enjoying what I do.

I'll be placing you on my ignore list as of right now. I wish you well.....

Thanks for letting me get the last word. Nothing wrong with my life, however I'm always on the lookout for misleading info about topics that interest me. (As you may recall, my previous run-in with you was bad info you were giving about Ukraine visas.) Bad info is what puts me in attack mode.

[yick]

Two true stories




I wrote about the time Kate Moss became the girlfriend of Sir Philip Green... she was at a charity gala and there was an auction where Kate Moss would snog for a full on minute the winning bid - Sir Philip Green won the bid at 60000 pounds and sent up his girlfriend at the time - Jemima Goldsmith to snog Kate Moss for a full on minute, we all know what Kate Moss looks like but here is what Jemima Goldsmith looks like...



It was afterwards that Kate Moss grabbed Sir Phils hand and goes 'I want you to f**k me now'

Sir Philip Green is a short - he is about 5ft 6ins - fat, very ugly Jewish man who is well past middle age - but he dates beautiful women half his age - now you think they might be attracted to his money - but Kate Moss is a multi millionairess herself, she is very wealthy in her own right and would have her pick of handsome, eligible, wealthy men as could Jemima Goldsmith - she comes from one of the wealthiest families in the UK and has no shortage of eiligble suitors - they don't need his money or his company but Sir Philip Green's wealth and power are still a massive aphodisiac to even the most wealthy of women.

So I can see how CE's method works in the FSU - he has to show somehow that he is a man of worth and of wealth - this is a way of doing it, here in China - it is such a big part of the dating culture here that you HAVE to show you are a man of material worth - if you said something like 'can't you like me for who I am instead of what I have' they would laugh in your face - you might not have anything now and succeed later but you have better have a plan now - which is why second generation rich kids - who have wealth via their parents and have never done a days work in their lives and are the most unmanly men on the planet with no obvious redeeming qualities - they have their pick NOW of beautiful women - doesn't matter how ugly or unpleasant they are - getting a woman isn't a concern to them.

Story no.2 - handsome man and beautiful woman were deeply in love and about to get married until one night - they went to Stringfellows nightclub to do a bit of midweek shizzying on the dancefloor - but look who's there - it's MICK JAGGER - the old, decrepit version, well past his prime - he had his eye on this beautiful young woman who was dancing with her intended, he went over and did his dad moves on this young woman who seemed to be more than impressed that Mick Jagger decided to get it on with her, of course, her handsome young beau was less than impressed with this sudden turn of events and went to remonstrate with the old cunt but Jagger just got his bodyguards to physically remove her fella out of the nightclub where he was left outside - moaning about his downturn of fortunes to anyone who would listen.

Jagger took the young lady home - f***ed her brains out and the woman next day dumped her intended over the phone - probably because of loss of face of how she acted when faced with the prune face of Mick Jagger - but it goes to show that powerful men can corrupt even women madly in love.

There are many ways to engineer worth - most men because they have no f***ing money do it through getting into excellent shape, grooming, or doing jobs that show bravery such as soldier or pilot or cop - if you are as rich as Philip Green though... you don't need to do any of that shit - just lets see what that cunt looks like for a final time and let it sink in.

[Shemp]

I don't think that Phillip Green shown above is hideous. He's fat and middle aged, but his face is symmetric. You should see some of the guys in Ukraine with beautiful women on their arm. They make they Phillip Green look like a male model.

The story about Mick Jagger is a warning to all men. In general. women cannot be trusted. There are exceptions, but in general women should be thought of as whores, who will ditch their current man without second thought if a more appealing (richer, higher status) man shows up. That guy in that story was about to make the cardinal mistake of marrying in a western country, but luckily Mick Jagger generously helped him see what kind of woman he was with. With my girl in Kyiv, it's always pay-as-you-go, money on the table when she arrives, pick it up on the way out, no long-term commitments, though nothing says I won't continue seeing her until I'm near death.

[In all fairness, most men are little better than johns (punters for the brits) who will discard their current girl as soon as a prettier girl shows up. The only reason men appear more loyal than women, is that men have fewer opportunities to trade up, at least in the western countries.]

[Contrarian Expatriate]

Two true stories




I wrote about the time Kate Moss became the girlfriend of Sir Philip Green... she was at a charity gala and there was an auction where Kate Moss would snog for a full on minute the winning bid - Sir Philip Green won the bid at 60000 pounds and sent up his girlfriend at the time - Jemima Goldsmith to snog Kate Moss for a full on minute, we all know what Kate Moss looks like but here is what Jemima Goldsmith looks like...



It was afterwards that Kate Moss grabbed Sir Phils hand and goes 'I want you to f**k me now'

Sir Philip Green is a short - he is about 5ft 6ins - fat, very ugly Jewish man who is well past middle age - but he dates beautiful women half his age - now you think they might be attracted to his money - but Kate Moss is a multi millionairess herself, she is very wealthy in her own right and would have her pick of handsome, eligible, wealthy men as could Jemima Goldsmith - she comes from one of the wealthiest families in the UK and has no shortage of eiligble suitors - they don't need his money or his company but Sir Philip Green's wealth and power are still a massive aphodisiac to even the most wealthy of women.

So I can see how CE's method works in the FSU - he has to show somehow that he is a man of worth and of wealth - this is a way of doing it, here in China - it is such a big part of the dating culture here that you HAVE to show you are a man of material worth - if you said something like 'can't you like me for who I am instead of what I have' they would laugh in your face - you might not have anything now and succeed later but you have better have a plan now - which is why second generation rich kids - who have wealth via their parents and have never done a days work in their lives and are the most unmanly men on the planet with no obvious redeeming qualities - they have their pick NOW of beautiful women - doesn't matter how ugly or unpleasant they are - getting a woman isn't a concern to them.

Story no.2 - handsome man and beautiful woman were deeply in love and about to get married until one night - they went to Stringfellows nightclub to do a bit of midweek shizzying on the dancefloor - but look who's there - it's MICK JAGGER - the old, decrepit version, well past his prime - he had his eye on this beautiful young woman who was dancing with her intended, he went over and did his dad moves on this young woman who seemed to be more than impressed that Mick Jagger decided to get it on with her, of course, her handsome young beau was less than impressed with this sudden turn of events and went to remonstrate with the old c**t but Jagger just got his bodyguards to physically remove her fella out of the nightclub where he was left outside - moaning about his downturn of fortunes to anyone who would listen.

Jagger took the young lady home - f***ed her brains out and the woman next day dumped her intended over the phone - probably because of loss of face of how she acted when faced with the prune face of Mick Jagger - but it goes to show that powerful men can corrupt even women madly in love.

There are many ways to engineer worth - most men because they have no f***ing money do it through getting into excellent shape, grooming, or doing jobs that show bravery such as soldier or pilot or cop - if you are as rich as Philip Green though... you don't need to do any of that shit - just lets see what that c**t looks like for a final time and let it sink in.

Interesting.... This phenomenon was common even in America in the past, but the term was "kept" women or mistresses, which did not refer only to women with married men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistress_(lover)

I suspect feminism creeped in to shame both women and men away from it, but I actually LIKE that because it just serves to keep competition men of even greater means very low to my distinct advantage.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

In case you were wondering, this is why....

[WorldTraveler]

I don't think that Phillip Green shown above is hideous. He's fat and middle aged, but his face is symmetric. You should see some of the guys in Ukraine with beautiful women on their arm. They make they Phillip Green look like a male model.

The story about Mick Jagger is a warning to all men. In general. women cannot be trusted. There are exceptions, but in general women should be thought of as whores, who will ditch their current man without second thought if a more appealing (richer, higher status) man shows up. That guy in that story was about to make the cardinal mistake of marrying in a western country, but luckily Mick Jagger generously helped him see what kind of woman he was with. With my girl in Kyiv, it's always pay-as-you-go, money on the table when she arrives, pick it up on the way out, no long-term commitments, though nothing says I won't continue seeing her until I'm near death.

[In all fairness, most men are little better than johns (punters for the brits) who will discard their current girl as soon as a prettier girl shows up. The only reason men appear more loyal than women, is that men have fewer opportunities to trade up, at least in the western countries.]

I need to get back to the Ukraine if guys who are uglier than Phillip Green have beautiful women.

If someone would ask me if my girl is expensive, I'd say, "she's cheaper than a wife." I think the best thing is pay as you go, because either of you can upgrade when the other is not getting their needs met. I can't count the number of girls that were great looking and then a year later look like horrible.