Should we ban the disruptive troll known as Spencer?

[Will N. Dowd]

Yes, please!
He should have been banned long ago.
A useless poster with awful grammar.

[Yohan]

Yes, he should be banned, enough is enough. I made several comments about this strange 'spencer' profile.
His profile should be deleted and all his comments too.

However I see his comments only if another member of this forum replies to him and is using the 'reply with quote' option.

He is on my IGNORE list, I don't read his original comments - however what should a newcomer who does not know SPENCER think about this forum if he looks around and see all these SPENCER comments in almost every thread?

SPENCER surely writes in correct English, but it seems he is using a free-for-fun-software to deliberately alter words and grammar. - Anybody who is serious, but not good in English can use a spell-checker, free translation applications etc. to remove typing errors and improve his grammar. There are also many fairly good dictionaries on-line with samples how to choose the correct word etc.

No idea who is PublicDuende or a Mr. Vanni Torelli, or if PAG is 'spencer' or hypermak is PublicDuende - I don't care.

I don't care who is this Chinese troll calling himself DaddyWu - however his comments are short, only few and funny while impersonating Winston's father... LOL

However these postings from SPENCER are many, too many. - He is using distorted English and his strange comments hardly contain anything of useful information.

[gsjackson]

One thing that makes me stop and pause for a moment... Spencer mentions PD's real name, Vanni Torelli, several times. How does he know Duende's real name? I doubt a troll like PAG would know such a thing, the man is hardly a 'master hacker' even though he would always claim to be one. Could it be that @Spencer is someone who was personally wronged by Hypermark, or Duende? Someone they knew in person?

It does not make sense. It does not also add value, nor entertainment value. Just by giving Winston a cutesy nickname (Wiseton) he seems to have evaded the banhammer, but it's been long enough. Is there anyone who believes the forum benefits from the presence of a troll who consistently engages in childish pissing matches with other people all over the forum, disrupting the flow of threads and burying good comments made by serious posters... is there anyone, who wants to keep Spencer and his barrage of mentally unsound, unintelligible gibberish around?

Public duende told us his name -- his first name at least -- in his very first post, and subsequently. PAG unearthed photos of both PD and his fiancee, so I don't think it would be too much trouble for him to dig up the last name.

I don't see where Spencer has done anything to merit banning. He's a pain in the ass to hypermak, but hype and everybody else are under no obligation to read Spencer's posts. And I've got to say that I am really, REALLY f***ing TIRED of authoritarianism in all its various guises after six months of living in a police state because of a hoax. All the petty tyrants and the Karens have been unleashed to impose their perverse wills, suppressing expression in every conceivable way, and I hope they aren't allowed to do it here.

f***ing editor program. I really wanted to say f***ing, in capital letters all spelled out.

[yick]

He doesn't bring anything to the forum, if newcomers come here and see these imbecilic posts spewed all over the place without any kind of moderation taking place. Why would they join here?

[Neo]

a hoax.

Probably only three posters acknowledge this.

[Winston]

Rock and i both noticed something. All of PAGs sock puppets cannot resist posting links to culture whiz site and mentioning it too. Spencer has not done that. In fact Spencer never posted any links or images at all. So he does not fit the pattern of PAG sock puppets. Hence its likely hes not PAG. PAG also cannot resist bragging about himself and showing pics of him with girls. Thats another clue. For PAG to post without bragging would be a waste of time in his eyes.

You guys need to apply some basic logic here.

In contrast there are some real reasons to suspect hypermak is publicduende. Id estimate the probability of that being true to be 70 percent. Thats what my objective logic circuit say. Im sure Data from Star Trek would say the same. But Rock claims he is 100 percent sure of it.

If so this means hypermak is not really down to earth at all. A mature honest man would just come back as himself and put the past behind him and start anew without having to swallow his pride.

[Cornfed]

Rock and i both noticed something. All of PAGs sock puppets cannot resist posting links to culture whiz site and mentioning it too. Spencer has not done that. In fact Spencer never posted any links or images at all. So he does not fit the pattern of PAG sock puppets.

The counter-argument would be that PAG's sock puppets were all immediately detected so the Spencer profile was a deliberate attempt on his part to break the pattern.

[yick]

In contrast there are some real reasons to suspect hypermak is publicduende. Id estimate the probability of that being true to be 70 percent. Thats what my objective logic circuit say. Im sure Data from Star Trek would say the same. But Rock claims he is 100 percent sure of it.

If so this means hypermak is not really down to earth at all. A mature honest man would just come back as himself and put the past behind him and start anew without having to swallow his pride.

Hypermak isn't the one causing problems.

I think it is time you made an overhaul on your forum as Rock suggested, make it into things that interest you - magick, conspiracy theories, The Matrix and then you would moderate it better if Spencer was spewing all his crap here and you would then ban him. People aren't joining up at this present rate and who can blame them, you will attract a new kind of poster who will engage you in conspiracy theory crap.

I think you have ran the course with 'Happier Abroad' you're not interested in it anymore so it is a waste of time trying to moderate a forum you have very little interest in. I don't understand digging out Hypermak.

[Winston]

Rock and i both noticed something. All of PAGs sock puppets cannot resist posting links to culture whiz site and mentioning it too. Spencer has not done that. In fact Spencer never posted any links or images at all. So he does not fit the pattern of PAG sock puppets.

The counter-argument would be that PAG's sock puppets were all immediately detected so the Spencer profile was a deliberate attempt on his part to break the pattern.

Yes you could argue that. But then I could argue that, all of PAG's sockpuppets tried to resist mentioning Culture Whiz too, but they could NOT resist after all, because PAG clearly lacks obvious self-control and like a drug addict, he cannot help but mention Culture Whiz and brag about himself. It's not easy for a drug addict to change. We all know that. We saw him try but he failed every time. In contrast, we never see Spencer even hinting at Culture Whiz or struggle with his addiction to brag about himself and his girls and his BS sites. Not the slightest struggle to hold back. You gotta look at his inner psyche and apply some basic logic guys. Come on, you guys are supposed to be smart. Smarter than average at least.

Besides, Spencer is unique and funny. Who else says stuff like "bossman wiseton"? LOL. That's pretty unique. Wouldn't you guys miss that if he was gone?

[gsjackson]

Hold your ground Winston. We're in a moment when free speech is under assault everywhere. Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. remove any content they don't like and don't even make a pretense of rationality about it. Don't let your site be turned into a private club of people who approve of each other's communication styles.

[Light]

I haven't gotten into this debate. I won't take any sides but I will say I think Winston should make a new forum rule that all posters must post using language that most people can easily interpret and figure out what it means. It doesn't need to be perfect or even great, but it could at least be readable by most people. People who do not follow that rule should be banned after a few warnings if they refuse to correct their language and make it readable.

[Winston]

Rock and i both noticed something. All of PAGs sock puppets cannot resist posting links to culture whiz site and mentioning it too. Spencer has not done that. In fact Spencer never posted any links or images at all. So he does not fit the pattern of PAG sock puppets. Hence its likely hes not PAG. PAG also cannot resist bragging about himself and showing pics of him with girls. Thats another clue. For PAG to post without bragging would be a waste of time in his eyes.

You guys need to apply some basic logic here.

In contrast there are some real reasons to suspect hypermak is publicduende. Id estimate the probability of that being true to be 70 percent. Thats what my objective logic circuit say. Im sure Data from Star Trek would say the same. But Rock claims he is 100 percent sure of it.

If so this means hypermak is not really down to earth at all. A mature honest man would just come back as himself and put the past behind him and start anew without having to swallow his pride.

That does not change the fact that Spencer is highly disruptive, inserts badly written, impossible to understand gibberish places in the middle of often unrelated topics. He derails threads. Buries good comments by arguing in the wrong places. He's a nuisance. Adds no value. Carries no value. I don't care if Hypermak is PD or whatever... just, have a video call with him and make sure. Or don't. It's another unrelated issue.

Spencer is a troll. Kinda creepy how he suddenly knows the real first and last name of Duende, and spams it everywhere. He's pretty obsessed. And overall rather annoying. It's not a nice, or funny persona. Overly present. And the broken English shtick is very obviously false to anyone with half a functioning brain, 'Wiseton'.

Besides, he doesn't say who he is, where is from, why he's here... his sole reason seems to be to engage in a little pissing match with PD/Hypermak and derail conversations, pit people against each other, and just annoy the shit out of everyone. Is there a singe thing he's ever said that was worthwhile, a single comment that was well-written? If it walks, talks and posts like a troll, it probably is one and needs to be removed like the tumor that it is.

This is a valid argument and criticism.

Spencer, why can't you just write in normal decent English? What do you have to lose if you do? I'm sure your writing style and PAG's are very different, even if you write normal English. So what do you have to lose by writing normal English? I don't understand the logic behind writing in such a hard to read manner? Can you explain logically? There's nothing to gain in writing the way you do. Nothing positive or beneficial about it. Why is it necessary for you to do so?

[HenryGeorge]

One thing that makes me stop and pause for a moment... Spencer mentions PD's real name, Vanni Torelli, several times. How does he know Duende's real name? I doubt a troll like PAG would know such a thing, the man is hardly a 'master hacker' even though he would always claim to be one. Could it be that @Spencer is someone who was personally wronged by Hypermark, or Duende? Someone they knew in person?

It does not make sense. It does not also add value, nor entertainment value. Just by giving Winston a cutesy nickname (Wiseton) he seems to have evaded the banhammer, but it's been long enough. Is there anyone who believes the forum benefits from the presence of a troll who consistently engages in childish pissing matches with other people all over the forum, disrupting the flow of threads and burying good comments made by serious posters... is there anyone, who wants to keep Spencer and his barrage of mentally unsound, unintelligible gibberish around?

Public duende told us his name -- his first name at least -- in his very first post, and subsequently. PAG unearthed photos of both PD and his fiancee, so I don't think it would be too much trouble for him to dig up the last name.

I don't see where Spencer has done anything to merit banning. He's a pain in the ass to hypermak, but hype and everybody else are under no obligation to read Spencer's posts. And I've got to say that I am really, REALLY f***ing TIRED of authoritarianism in all its various guises after six months of living in a police state because of a hoax. All the petty tyrants and the Karens have been unleashed to impose their perverse wills, suppressing expression in every conceivable way, and I hope they aren't allowed to do it here.

f***ing editor program. I really wanted to say f***ing, in capital letters all spelled out.

Amen...

[Winston]

Hold your ground Winston. We're in a moment when free speech is under assault everywhere. Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. remove any content they don't like and don't even make a pretense of rationality about it. Don't let your site be turned into a private club of people who approve of each other's communication styles.

I'll try. But gsjackson, you know you're in a dangerous position here, according to these quotes below:

"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives... I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends... and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." - John Lennon, Interview BBC-TV (June 22, 1968)

"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is apt to spread discontent among those who are." - H.L. Mencken

"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire

[Cornfed]

Hold your ground Winston. We're in a moment when free speech is under assault everywhere. Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, etc. remove any content they don't like and don't even make a pretense of rationality about it. Don't let your site be turned into a private club of people who approve of each other's communication styles.

But Winston hasn't held his ground against censoring other people. Why stick his neck out for Spencer, who is clearly a troll of some sort?