Man dates woman with 29 year age difference

[hypermak]

By then, Best had lost his money, this is why the likes of little Bernie Eccleston and Philip Green and Flavio Braitore still can date and impregnate supermodels - you know Briatore - I am sure he is quite famous for being the ultimate Italian stallion despite being old, fat, bald and ugly - he impregnated two supermodels and married a third... if he was a binman he wouldn't have got near any of them but it is easy to charm a supermodel if you can whisk her away on a helicopter for lunch in Paris.

Yes, he lost his money and, as I read, he plunged into alcohol abuse and ill health which detracted from his status even more. If I had been at the scene, I would have felt sorry for the man. He was a true football legend and deserved to go down in a much more dignified way. Well, life isn't exactly fair, is it?

@yick, for what I care about Briatore, he is a man of little talent and much resolve. His fortunes were made in extremely dubious circumstances and mainly thanks to his close friendship to Luciano Benetton, of fashion empire fame. He definitely learned how to be, or at least pose as, a "master of style", although many Italians find him on the crass and tacky side. Sure, he owns luxury venues like the Billionaire Club and Cipriani hotel/restaurant which he used to woo the likes of Naomi Campbell and Heidi Klum.

I think one of the reason for his success with his women is that he likes to introduce himself as some sort of "business and life mentor". It worked with Naomi Campbell and with his current wife, minor starlette Elisabetta Gregoraci. Again, behind all the glitz and glamour, we don't really know whether there was real love or just a functional relationship.

They will have money! All those things cost money, that's my point. It's OK for a man like Briatore to be charming when he has a private helicopter to whisk him and his date wherever he wants and if he binned the Italian actress he is with now, there will be a queue of young women to take her place.

Well, better said, there wil be a queue of young women who dream to be with Briatore to get a few paparazzi photos and exposure, perhaps some connections in the movie or fashion world. Enough to put them somewhere on the map of public life and land them a contract or two. Not sure how much attraction, passion and love is or would be involved.

I actually know someone who looks like Brad Pitt, an American from California (nice fella!) and he has married a nice looking woman (a hapa!) but if he divorced her and wanted to go and find a woman like the German model who is actually dating Brad Pitt - he wouldn't get anything like her - because when a woman is that beautiful they usually elevate their status and their position, they're not found amongst 'janitors' to use the example of Marcos, not saying there's not pretty/attractive women for working class guys because of course there are but competition is fierce and this is where good looks and genes come into play BUT even if you look like a film star - those amazing beauties are simply not there in society if you are working or even middle class (though there are more of them there in middle class society). Those kinds of beautiful women have choices with men with enough wealth and means who want the likes of them on their arm.

Agree with this. Many women who are attractive use their looks as leverage to climb the social ladder. I personally know more than one modest Polish or Albanian waitress who got herself a seat on the luxury train after becoming romanticallty involved with the restaurant owner or one of the wealthy patrons. They were poorly educated at probably hopeless at life but, well, they had their green or blue eyes and a very decent rack!

This is a lot different, an older man with a nice younger girl in some far away land is somewhat common - in Asia, Latin America and Africa because the financial bar is lower - in Europe and the States - the financial bar is far higher but the same situation exists everywhere, people don't like it though - especially other men, because they're jealous, past-it-single-mums hate it because these men who they would look down upon are cheating the system - because even though they're not the amazing beauties Brad Pitt and friends are able to get, they're still an improvement on the woman they can get back home - if at all.

Past glory and fame without money means very little if anything at all when it comes to getting a top class female that Brad Pitt is still capable of seducing.

I don't really agree with the "cheating the system" idea. As you said, young good looking women associating themselves with men decades older to get financial or business favours has always been part and parcel of the "system", and will continue to be. Single mums who can't get on the same train or boys who can't get laid to the standards they expect can moan all they want. It won't change reality.

[hypermak]

In most of the world women recognize a high value man. On other travel PUA forums, I've seen younger guys complaining about old dudes getting all the girls. They're jealous and will say those girls are just golddiggers or prostitutes. They can't get through their heads that these older men have more value than some 22 year old backpacker that can't buy them more than a local beer and he's going to try to shag them the first time they go out together.

"High value men" come in all sizes and shapes, though. There are plenty of young dudes who are high value because they're at the top of their professions, may not be millionaires but are comfortable, plus they have the gift of youth, they're fit and take care of themselves, etc. There is a lot of humanity between the pennyless backpacker in sweatshirt and the old man who uses his money as leverage to get some of the more materialistic women.

[hypermak]

Precisely. That's clearly the case with @Hypermak who has completely lost his mind about this very subject, and he is well into his thirties. I accidentally broke him just by describing how my success with younger girls is better than it has ever been. It's the funniest thing I have yet encountered on the forum. But cucks are gonna cuck, and simps are gonna simp. It is just nature's mandate with losers of that ilk.

@Contrarian Expatriate

You're getting more hard-headed as you age, that's natural

For the millionth time: your "success" with the younger girls is nothing to brag about, if you're another of those Ukranian whoremongers, someone who's throwing money at desperate girls who need it, for their college tuition or the latest Gucci bag. Their business, your business.

You come across as hopelessly arrogant and annoying when you slap this little lifestyle of yours as if it was the only way a man should live his life. You come across as a borderline troll when you personally attack anyone who doesn't subscribe to your ideas. To the point that some members here, including myself, believe that much of your alleged "success" is just a product of your imagination. A mind movie.

That's what is annoying me or other people here. Not your alleged "success" or "wealth", but your personal attacks and insults. We are not jealous of you. There is nothing to be jealous about. If anything, we should pity you, ridicule you, or ignore you at best.

You haven't broken anyone and very unlikely your life will ever affect anyone on this planet, as your existence is so self-centered and self-serving. You lived alone, you will die alone.

[WorldTraveler]

In America, guys, dating a woman more than even 5 years younger than yourself is actually a good way to get yourself labeled a pedophile. And as a huge example, a 40 year old man dating or marrying a 25 or even 30 year old woman will easily get labeled a pedophile; yes, even a child pornographer by the entire community. America is the devil's dungeon. In this country, women are entitled to the world, and men are entitled to nothing.

Here is a very good article about how the West has made older men dating younger women almost a crime. The feminist in the West would like to make it illegal to date younger women.

http://bostonreview.net/gender-sexualit ... ng-desire

Even dating an attractive women in the USA is almost impossible, no matter what your age is, because 70% of America is either overweight or obese. So of the 30% that aren't overweight or obese. Most don't even want a man of any age, because they have been brainwashed that a career is more important than a man. Really only 5% of the women in America are of dateable quality. I know girls in college who have never been on date with a guy. That is how low their interest is today.

[yick]

Yes, he lost his money and, as I read, he plunged into alcohol abuse and ill health which detracted from his status even more. If I had been at the scene, I would have felt sorry for the man. He was a true football legend and deserved to go down in a much more dignified way. Well, life isn't exactly fair, is it?

Well, this is something completely different, every man is entitled to live in peace without strangers trying to pull them apart.

@yick, for what I care about Briatore, he is a man of little talent and much resolve. His fortunes were made in extremely dubious circumstances and mainly thanks to his close friendship to Luciano Benetton, of fashion empire fame. He definitely learned how to be, or at least pose as, a "master of style", although many Italians find him on the crass and tacky side. Sure, he owns luxury venues like the Billionaire Club and Cipriani hotel/restaurant which he used to woo the likes of Naomi Campbell and Heidi Klum.

I think one of the reason for his success with his women is that he likes to introduce himself as some sort of "business and life mentor". It worked with Naomi Campbell and with his current wife, minor starlette Elisabetta Gregoraci. Again, behind all the glitz and glamour, we don't really know whether there was real love or just a functional relationship.

Well he didn't get these women because of his hot body and good looks He got them because he was able to get into the kind of events where these women go. Meaning the kind of men these women meet are amazingly successful and rich - Joe Plumber from down the road is barred - however good his body is, his DNA and how big his dick is - the chances of meeting these kind of women are zero - a lot of it is down to what he can give them indirectly or directly but this is part of the allure.

I don't really agree with the "cheating the system" idea. As you said, young good looking women associating themselves with men decades older to get financial or business favours has always been part and parcel of the "system", and will continue to be. Single mums who can't get on the same train or boys who can't get laid to the standards they expect can moan all they want. It won't change reality.

When I am talking about 'cheating the system' I am talking about men who go to places like the Philippines and Colombia where their meager wealth stretches out into something substantial and they then become the player, they are cheating the system and people massively disapprove - the UK government have even made it law that British men with Non-EU wives (as it was...) couldn't bring their wives back to settle unless they had 58000 pounds in savings or a job that paid 24000 pounds a year and they had to have it for six months - meaning, they were separated from their wives for at least a year.

No-one told Flavio Briatore or Mick Jagger to 'settle' for a fat single mum - they would laugh in your face even now as they are now both geriatrics - they can still get hot, young women - if you are a working guy, when it comes to women, your life is all about 'settling' usually with someone you don't want. Anyone who tries to go outside the box is castigated - we see this shaming language all the times about 'creeps' 'losers' 'weirdoes' living abroad with girls half their age.

[hypermak]

Well he didn't get these women because of his hot body and good looks He got them because he was able to get into the kind of events where these women go. Meaning the kind of men these women meet are amazingly successful and rich - Joe Plumber from down the road is barred - however good his body is, his DNA and how big his dick is - the chances of meeting these kind of women are zero - a lot of it is down to what he can give them indirectly or directly but this is part of the allure.

Better still, he met those women at parties and socials he himself threw. Nothing better than being the boss of the party every single time!

However, I believe that not all men would be able to stomach the pros and cons of a purely "functional" or transactional relationship with a hot woman. "Sure, she's holding my hand, sipping $5000 a bottle champagne and later on I'll have her in my bed, naked. But then, tomorrow morning, she will start asking me to introduce her to this or that producer, influential businessman or politician. And if I don't oblige, she may stop texting me". It takes a particularly cynical man to be with those kinds of particularly cynical women.

When I am talking about 'cheating the system' I am talking about men who go to places like the Philippines and Colombia where their meager wealth stretches out into something substantial and they then become the player, they are cheating the system and people massively disapprove - the UK government have even made it law that British men with Non-EU wives (as it was...) couldn't bring their wives back to settle unless they had 58000 pounds in savings or a job that paid 24000 pounds a year and they had to have it for six months - meaning, they were separated from their wives for at least a year.

Oh OK, I thought you were referring to rich men buying the favours of hot young women. Well, you would be surprised to know what the locals (Filipinos) think about us foreign boys and men snapping up some of the cute dark-skinned girls from the province. This is actually something I talked to @publicduende about, when I met him, and he has a pretty strong opinion that my experience kind of confirms.

So one might think that a 55 years old man who flies to, say, Cebu to meet a 22-year-old dark-skinned girl from the most impoverished part of town, or from a rural corner of the island, has cheated the system. From the Western world point of view he has: he's got his hands on a a girl who is half his age, slender, cute looking, behaves in a demure and subservient way and seems to appreciate even the simplest things he does for her: a meal at the mall, a trip to a neighbouring island, maybe a new smartphone.

The point of view of the locals is different, though: the foreign man has met a young member of a poor family whose daughters would have probably ended up unmarried, or married to equally destitute young men. Foreign man may be a retiree or a modest worker in his home country but he will still be able to provide his new gf/wife a much better life, and probably send enough money to her family so her parents can survive, her little brothers can go to schools or college, they can buy a second-hand fishing boat or a trycicle to provide some livelihood, et cetera.

From the point of view of the locals, the girl has cheated the system, by giving herself to a man who has the potential of changing her life, and that of her close family.

Of course, having lived in the UK for a while, I have been able to "appreciate" the typically British envy for anything that isn't level with them. It's not healthy and it reeks of hypocrisy. It's one of the aspects I loved the least about British society. So I can understand how a Joe Plumber who makes 50K a year and has traded her 40-plus overweight banshee for a 22-yo cute, slender Filipina, would turn a few heads in envy and discontent. I can imagine most of these men will just laugh it off and carry on with their lives undisturbed.

No-one told Flavio Briatore or Mick Jagger to 'settle' for a fat single mum - they would laugh in your face even now as they are now both geriatrics - they can still get hot, young women - if you are a working guy, when it comes to women, your life is all about 'settling' usually with someone you don't want. Anyone who tries to go outside the box is castigated - we see this shaming language all the times about 'creeps' 'losers' 'weirdoes' living abroad with girls half their age.

Nobody is "forcing" anyone to be with a fat ugly whale...it would be horrible if that happened It is a matter of supply and demand, though. If the few hot girls are only available to stud kind of guys or rich millionaires, that leaves a large part of the "normal" middle class, kind and decent man population without much to choose from. Some men will just grovel back home, some other would feel a bit more adventurous and try to tap into places where good looking women are in higher supply than the "local" demand.

[yick]

Better still, he met those women at parties and socials he himself threw. Nothing better than being the boss of the party every single time!

However, I believe that not all men would be able to stomach the pros and cons of a purely "functional" or transactional relationship with a hot woman. "Sure, she's holding my hand, sipping $5000 a bottle champagne and later on I'll have her in my bed, naked. But then, tomorrow morning, she will start asking me to introduce her to this or that producer, influential businessman or politician. And if I don't oblige, she may stop texting me". It takes a particularly cynical man to be with those kinds of particularly cynical women.

Well, of course! That he can attract the most beautiful women on the planet to his social functions shows that it works, if we held parties and functions and invited Naomi, Cindy, Kate, Helena, Heidi etc - what's the chances of them coming?

And what's the chances of us being invited to Flavio's shindigs? Even via the tradesmans entrance? None!

Not every woman will let themselves be used this way but plenty will, enough to fill the love life of the likes of Flavio, Bernie and his chums.

Oh OK, I thought you were referring to rich men buying the favours of hot young women. Well, you would be surprised to know what the locals (Filipinos) think about us foreign boys and men snapping up some of the cute dark-skinned girls from the province. This is actually something I talked to @publicduende about, when I met him, and he has a pretty strong opinion that my experience kind of confirms.

So one might think that a 55 years old man who flies to, say, Cebu to meet a 22-year-old dark-skinned girl from the most impoverished part of town, or from a rural corner of the island, has cheated the system. From the Western world point of view he has: he's got his hands on a a girl who is half his age, slender, cute looking, behaves in a demure and subservient way and seems to appreciate even the simplest things he does for her: a meal at the mall, a trip to a neighbouring island, maybe a new smartphone.

The point of view of the locals is different, though: the foreign man has met a young member of a poor family whose daughters would have probably ended up unmarried, or married to equally destitute young men. Foreign man may be a retiree or a modest worker in his home country but he will still be able to provide his new gf/wife a much better life, and probably send enough money to her family so her parents can survive, her little brothers can go to schools or college, they can buy a second-hand fishing boat or a trycicle to provide some livelihood, et cetera.

From the point of view of the locals, the girl has cheated the system, by giving herself to a man who has the potential of changing her life, and that of her close family.

Fair enough, but say, enough of these men did this and left the fat single mums behind, what do you think might happen? The UK made a law to make it really difficult to bring these women back to the UK with them. Who knows what law they might think up of next to disuade them from cheating the system - no doubt the next thing they might do is disallow their offspring from inheriting British citizenship if there is a big age gap between the parents (God, I am sounding like Mercury now...)

Nobody is "forcing" anyone to be with a fat ugly whale...it would be horrible if that happened It is a matter of supply and demand, though. If the few hot girls are only available to stud kind of guys or rich millionaires, that leaves a large part of the "normal" middle class, kind and decent man population without much to choose from. Some men will just grovel back home, some other would feel a bit more adventurous and try to tap into places where good looking women are in higher supply than the "local" demand.

You're right, nobody forces anyone to settle with anyone else but there is social conditioning and shaming at play when it comes to acquiring a date with the thoughts of a long term relationship. Thankfully, at least us lot here demand more from life and have made the trip to seek it out. That is the one thing we have in common with Flavio, Mick, Brad etc.

[hypermak]

Well, of course! That he can attract the most beautiful women on the planet to his social functions shows that it works, if we held parties and functions and invited Naomi, Cindy, Kate, Helena, Heidi etc - what's the chances of them coming?

And what's the chances of us being invited to Flavio's shindigs? Even via the tradesmans entrance? None!

Not every woman will let themselves be used this way but plenty will, enough to fill the love life of the likes of Flavio, Bernie and his chums.

Actually, from what I heard, the Billionaire was famous for its mile-long waiting list of stars and wannabe stars, but also for its many "cracks in the wall" that allowed virtual nobodies to join the party. I think that's what made the venue so alluring for the Costa Smeralda goers...the dream to sneak into the big club and have a chance to meet the big guys.

Not wanting to be cynical, but good old Flavio was a lot like the Italian Jeffrey Epstein: richer than he probably deserved, with hands into all sorts of women-related businesses, some trouble with the law, and only heaven knows what happened behind those closed doors...

By now you will have realised, I am not Briatore's biggest fan

Fair enough, but say, enough of these men did this and left the fat single mums behind, what do you think might happen? The UK made a law to make it really difficult to bring these women back to the UK with them. Who knows what law they might think up of next to disuade them from cheating the system - no doubt the next thing they might do is disallow their offspring from inheriting British citizenship if there is a big age gap between the parents (God, I am sounding like Mercury now...)

That would be awful, if men weren't allowed to bring their foreign brides back home. I guess they are painting this as a "anti-human traffic" measure?! Fortunately, I believe many of the lower-income bride seekers are retirees and many don't mind rebuilding their lives here, on a local beach. That is probably an even better way to give "the system" the middle finger!

You're right, nobody forces anyone to settle with anyone else but there is social conditioning and shaming at play when it comes to acquiring a date with the thoughts of a long term relationship. Thankfully, at least us lot here demand more from life and have made the trip to seek it out. That is the one thing we have in common with Flavio, Mick, Brad etc.

I really don't have an opinion on this. Do you really think the envy-driven shaming is so bad in the UK that most men are dissuaded from finding a woman abroad? Covid situation apart, I would have thought that, with international flights being so cheap nowadays, nobody is more than a flight away from "checking out" the foreign love option.

I lived in the UK, though, and can fully understand how thick and odious other people's judgement can weight on anyone's life choices. This is something that must be overcome, especially for native Brits.

[yick]

Actually, from what I heard, the Billionaire was famous for its mile-long waiting list of stars and wannabe stars, but also for its many "cracks in the wall" that allowed virtual nobodies to join the party. I think that's what made the venue so alluring for the Costa Smeralda goers...the dream to sneak into the big club and have a chance to meet the big guys.

Not wanting to be cynical, but good old Flavio was a lot like the Italian Jeffrey Epstein: richer than he probably deserved, with hands into all sorts of women-related businesses, some trouble with the law, and only heaven knows what happened behind those closed doors...

By now you will have realised, I am not Briatore's biggest fan

I have no idea who was invited to Briatores parties but I am sure there was a closed off 'VIP section' where burly bodyguards guarded the likes of Heidi and Naomi away from the herd and good old Flavio had his way with them. I doubt if any of those nobodies got in through the cracks in the wall they would be any more successful with the many starlets never mind the top of the game supermodels - I am sure you would need to prove your social worth for them to even give you their time.

That would be awful, if men weren't allowed to bring their foreign brides back home. I guess they are painting this as a "anti-human traffic" measure?! Fortunately, I believe many of the lower-income bride seekers are retirees and many don't mind rebuilding their lives here, on a local beach. That is probably an even better way to give "the system" the middle finger!

Even now, they aren't making it easy and many couples have to leave because their husband/wife have been denied 'leave to remain' a lot of it is xenophobic and racist nonsense. Yes, many of the ones who have married Thais especially are making their lives out there in Thailand and I don't blame them! I would do the same.

I really don't have an opinion on this. Do you really think the envy-driven shaming is so bad in the UK that most men are dissuaded from finding a woman abroad? Covid situation apart, I would have thought that, with international flights being so cheap nowadays, nobody is more than a flight away from "checking out" the foreign love option.

Yes, I think most young men would be dissuaded from bringing back a foreign spouse from a developing country, fitting in with family and friends and cultural communication barriers, it is more and more popular but it isn't anything like the Faroe Islands where a lot of the men are turning to Filipinas and Thais and it is changing the demographics of those islands because a lot of local young Faroese women are leaving the islands for Denmark and further afield.

The easier and more acceptable option is to marry and impregnate someone local and if that fails past 30 - single mums! Plenty of single mums to go around!

I lived in the UK, though, and can fully understand how thick and odious other people's judgement can weight on anyone's life choices. This is something that must be overcome, especially for native Brits.

Indeed!

[hypermak]

I have no idea who was invited to Briatores parties but I am sure there was a closed off 'VIP section' where burly bodyguards guarded the likes of Heidi and Naomi away from the herd and good old Flavio had his way with them. I doubt if any of those nobodies got in through the cracks in the wall they would be any more successful with the many starlets never mind the top of the game supermodels - I am sure you would need to prove your social worth for them to even give you their time.

That's part of what made the Billionaire magic and very, very successful. You couldn't get in and have a quick rub with the elite, yet without the right connection you might not make it into the inner sanctum.

Even now, they aren't making it easy and many couples have to leave because their husband/wife have been denied 'leave to remain' a lot of it is xenophobic and racist nonsense. Yes, many of the ones who have married Thais especially are making their lives out there in Thailand and I don't blame them! I would do the same.

I would agree with taking the radical choice of leaving the Western home country for good and settling in the wife's country, be it Philippines, Thailand or Ecuador. The problem I see is that it's not so easy, for most, to have a job that is "portable" enough to continue to make a good living and earn at least sufficiently to maintain the same lifestyle.

I am lucky to be in one such profession, where the "foreign Western chef" is still hired at a premium compared to locals. I met a few people who are into IT, including @publicduende, who seem to be doing quite well, as their wages come from Western clients.

Yes, I think most young men would be dissuaded from bringing back a foreign spouse from a developing country, fitting in with family and friends and cultural communication barriers, it is more and more popular but it isn't anything like the Faroe Islands where a lot of the men are turning to Filipinas and Thais and it is changing the demographics of those islands because a lot of local young Faroese women are leaving the islands for Denmark and further afield.

The easier and more acceptable option is to marry and impregnate someone local and if that fails past 30 - single mums! Plenty of single mums to go around!

Acceptable to whom, though? If I was in one such situation, I'd rather brave the government's draconian immigration policies and get myself a lovely Filipina than have to resort to a mother of two well past her prime.

[yick]

That's part of what made the Billionaire magic and very, very successful. You couldn't get in and have a quick rub with the elite, yet without the right connection you might not make it into the inner sanctum.

Exactly! And even top supermodels fell under the spell.

I would agree with taking the radical choice of leaving the Western home country for good and settling in the wife's country, be it Philippines, Thailand or Ecuador. The problem I see is that it's not so easy, for most, to have a job that is "portable" enough to continue to make a good living and earn at least sufficiently to maintain the same lifestyle.

I am lucky to be in one such profession, where the "foreign Western chef" is still hired at a premium compared to locals. I met a few people who are into IT, including @publicduende, who seem to be doing quite well, as their wages come from Western clients.

No, which is why a lot of these men are forced to retire in their wife's home country, lot of these stories exist.

Acceptable to whom, though? If I was in one such situation, I'd rather brave the government's draconian immigration policies and get myself a lovely Filipina than have to resort to a mother of two well past her prime.

Aceeptable to the men who accept such things - which is most of them, many single mums get lovin' you would think a single man over 30 could do better in this world of easy travel (once this pandemic is over) you can go and meet women and if you work - it won't cost you that much money - but most men settle for some single mum because they're easier to get and more accepted in insular societies such as the ones that exist in working class Britain outside of London - I would choose lovely Filipina than single mum who has had more cock than Col Sanders but many men don't - we are in the minority.

[Mercury]

Here is a very good article about how the West has made older men dating younger women almost a crime. The feminist in the West would like to make it illegal to date younger women.

http://bostonreview.net/gender-sexualit ... ng-desire

Clearly, America's next move is a nationwide default permanent institutionalization (along with mandatory surgical castration) of all men 18 years of age and older without a woman.

Even dating an attractive women in the USA is almost impossible, no matter what your age is, because 70% of America is either overweight or obese. So of the 30% that aren't overweight or obese. Most don't even want a man of any age, because they have been brainwashed that a career is more important than a man. Really only 5% of the women in America are of dateable quality. I know girls in college who have never been on date with a guy. That is how low their interest is today.

Because Americans are hateful and paranoid of the outdoors. Americans are so paranoid that even the sound of the wind in the trees sets them to flight. Again, their twisted imaginations turn shadows into phantoms, outdoor pedestrians and bicyclists into armed robbers and serial killers, neighbors into gang bangers, to them even public swimming pools are infested with man-eating sharks and piranha; Americans are aquaphobic, agoraphobic, to Americans, the entire outdoors, even open country areas, is the hood.

In America, people who eat a lot of fruits and vegetables are heavily scolded and labeled anorexics and bulimics. In other words, they expect you to be around 300 pounds by your 30th birthday. You're very lucky it isn't even a felony under Federal law, enforced by the FBI and Homeland Security, to grow your own fruits and vegetables! Because I'm sure there are confident bureaucrats that want to make it even a capital felony under Federal law to have a peach tree or apple tree in your backyard.

[walrusface]

The story goes that George Best is at this posh London restaurant rented for a private social. He is only early 50s and in pretty sorry state, due to a lifetime of alcohol abuse as I learn, and he is with a pretty ordinary woman in her 40s. He is standing in the lounge having a cocktail, barely recognised by the other patrons. At some point someone next to him stares him and his lady friend down, pulls a smirk and says "Oi, Best, that the best ya can do?". Best through his cocktail on him and started a train of cussword and commotion, ending with him, the guy who verbally abused him and a couple of others being thrown out of the venue. My friend wasn't obviously allowed out but, the following morning, he learned that the fight had continued for a good 20 minutes more, outside, until the police arrived, filed a report and escorted the loud mouthed guy to the station.

I think that man was a right idiot, to humiliate a former football legend in public, and fully deserved Best's rage. There's also the feeling that, of those rich and famous p***y magnets whose conquests would make the tabloids, most are simply forgotten and revert to living an ordinary life and date the kinds of ordinary women any man in their 50s would date.

Even among the rich and famous, not everybody is Brad Pitt. I suspect there are far more "George Best" than "Mick Jagger" around, whatever our dreams or persistent masculinity want to make up.

George Best married his second wife Alex when he was about 50. She was 23. They were married almost 10 years but he couldn't control his drinking.

[MrMan]

I think you have been brain-washed by recent politically correct feminist bullshit. For most of the history of humankind, women have associated the feeling of love with feeling secure, protected, and spoiled. What do think women want, to feel insecure, in danger, and unappreciated? Is that love? In the Philippines and in many other countries women want a strong man that can take care of their needs, be a good provider, so they don't have to worry. Age is secondary!

Feminism has nothing to do with this. Age is only secondary if that woman hasn't found a younger man who can give her the same.

Even here in the Philippines, if a girl has a decent job and good looks, there will be a queue of men a few years older before she will need to willingly look for the "elder" provider. I'm sorry, but that's how biology spins.

Like anything else, it depends on the woman's taste. Some women prefer older men. There are more women than that that men who prefer older women (certainly past a certain age.) Most men 'decompose' a little slower. A lot of women aren't attractive at all by the time they hit 40. If a man had looks that appealed to women to start with, is in shape, and keeps relatively tight facial skin, he may be able to attract a younger woman. Women have varying tastes. Some are more into looks. Some are more into charisma and image. There is also status. Men are more likely to be attracted to women who have lower status than themselves.

[hypermak]

Like anything else, it depends on the woman's taste. Some women prefer older men. There are more women than that that men who prefer older women (certainly past a certain age.) Most men 'decompose' a little slower. A lot of women aren't attractive at all by the time they hit 40. If a man had looks that appealed to women to start with, is in shape, and keeps relatively tight facial skin, he may be able to attract a younger woman. Women have varying tastes. Some are more into looks. Some are more into charisma and image. There is also status. Men are more likely to be attracted to women who have lower status than themselves.

I understand that. Just saying that most young women would prefer dating someone with status and money yet closer to their age. The country I am in is a prime source of exceptions to this "rule".