Why does it seem many guys who go abroad tend to be misfits or have a "cheap personality"?

[Archibault]

PS: Not trying to cause controversy; I am trying to understand how things work.

Kind of like Roosh.

For instance, it seemed to me Roosh, despite probably having more money, always wanted to stay at cheap hostels or cheap accommodations or go to the cheapest areas of town. I read a blog of locals who followed him; they said he would go to the cheapest bars with primarily men and few women and based his whole experience on that.

Moreover, I was watching this guy who lived in NYC and was paying about 2k+ in rent. Obviously, in NYC, he got a small place. However, he decided to become a "nomad," He went to Eastern Europe and got a place for under $50 a night. The place was very ugly, in a crime-ridden area and a with poor service at the restaurant. And he started complaining in his blog saying, "Well, I expected more from Eastern Europe!"

I was like, "Dude, seriously, Why would you do that?" If you would have spent more money you could stay in a nice area in town with standards equal to any Western Country.

However, for some reason, many from the Anglosphere countries always pick the ugliest places to stay tend to write or video blog about it, "Wow, this place is so dangerous!" It seems that they believe, "If you are going to a third world country, you might as well live in third world conditions to get the "full experience."

I don't know if it's a "Puritan" characteristic of "living frugally."

Not everyone, of course, but the "most popular":

Rich Liberal students when "study abroad" :
Go to the poor villages to volunteer, show the local people as poor.
Live in meager conditions in a local village.
Take lots of pictures.

Expats/Digital Nomads when traveling:
Go to a cheap bar.
Approach the local women that most locals don't find attractive.
Find the cheapest accommodations and stay there.

It seems there are no or very few "Middle-class travelers." The traveler thinks, "We'll if I am going to go there and I have more money than locals, then I can take advantage of that and stay in a nice area and enjoy many nicer accommodations that I wouldn't at home."

[Tsar]

Most guys are misfits because nations like the United States are terrible for men and have fake, superficial, terrible cultures and societies. Millennials and younger from America are typically poor, like me. Poor people can't afford expensive places and dining and people lucky enough to be in the middle need to save money. If someone was actually rich, they would stay at better places because it enhances their image.

[Winston]

Because we want to live abroad long term, not just for a short vacation. So money has to be properly budgeted of course. Plus smart people dont waste money. Because conserving resources is wise. Smart people try not to be reckless in their spending. Also misfits dont care about status because they never had any. So they have no need to spend to impress others.

[yick]

I don't think it's true that men who go abroad are 'misfits' though people who they leave behind in their hometowns might see them that way and see them as 'weird' the facts are, you are born to do it, it's in the DNA.

All my family have done it, hell, all my ancestors did it - going back 600 years ago, I went to my ancestral hometown in Spain - a cold, mountainous place even in the summer and they were some of the first Europeans to settle in the Americas - in those days, they left and they never went back - these days, most of my South American family live all over the world - America, Spain, the UK, Italy - it's in us to do it.

Of course, there are many people who would think leaving their hometown and their schoolfriends and the girl next door who they want to marry is a very extreme measure but it isn't - but it is in you to do it or it isn't. There are many men who like the idea of it but aren't cut out for the reality. The sensible ones stay right where they are.

@MarcosZeitola comes from a long line of seafarers - his father and his grandfather were sailors so it is in him to explore the world - my dad's side were also seafarers and my mum's side were conquistadors (not bragging but they were...) so, going half way around the world and planting our little flag to say 'we woz 'ere' isn't a) scary or b) a big deal - we want to do it and we did... I bet that is the same for @El_Caudillo @Yohan @publicduende @Shemp and even @Winston

Most men aren't capable of it though... explorers are born, not made and women aren't enough of a reason to do it - it is something inside.

That you're asking the question and thinking they're 'misfits' means you aren't an explorer @Archibault

[Winston]

I agree with Yick. Usually if you do something major, it's in your blood. The reasons you give are just excuses to justify doing something you wanna do.

There are people who risk their lives climbing Mt. Everest, or free solo climb a mountain without any gear or equipment, which normal people think is crazy. But they all say that it's in their blood and if it's not in yours, you cannot understand them. If someone risks their life to do something unnecessary like that, then it's gotta be in their blood. All the reasons they give are just rationalizations to explain something they feel driven to do in their blood or inherent nature.

Unfortunately this is true for serial killers too. They don't have a rational reason to do what they do. When interviewed they say that there is a deep desire to kill that they cannot control, as if it were innate and in their blood.

It seems we are all actors here in this world and play a certain role, which our blood assigns us to do, yet the role may not always be a good one unfortunately. But where there's good, there has to be bad or evil too, because a duality has to be maintained for this matrix world to exist.

[yick]

I agree with Yick. Usually if you do something major, it's in your blood. The reasons you give are just excuses to justify doing something you wanna do.

There are people who risk their lives climbing Mt. Everest, or free solo climb a mountain without any gear or equipment, which normal people think is crazy. But they all say that it's in their blood and if it's not in yours, you cannot understand them. If someone risks their life to do something unnecessary like that, then it's gotta be in their blood. All the reasons they give are just rationalizations to explain something they feel driven to do in their blood or inherent nature.

Well, it is in your blood Winston - your ancestors left Fujian for Taiwan, then your parents left Taiwan for America and then you went to Russia - it is in your blood - there is a thread by CdnFA (I will go and find it..) and he didn't understand why people went abroad - he just thought 'well, it's for women' and even when people explained 'well, not really...' but he said 'I like my life in Canada, my life is great in Canada except for the women part' but most people are like him, they move out of a desperation which are the wrong reasons. Let me go and find the thread.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30680

I was a bit unkind to him in the thread but most people would agree with his broad premise. That being abroad is hard, you're not accepted and it will never be like home whereas home to me was shit, boring and it was killing me inside, the best thing I ever did was leave but it was always on the cards, even as a kid.

[Winston]

Also, if Yick is right, then HA could be in our blood too. Therefore, it's not something that will appeal to most mainstream men, even if they agree with most of what we say. That's why this movement is niche and not for everyone or most people. So even if you create lots of videos and books that give a lot of good reasons for going overseas or dating foreign women, it may not convince most men to do so, simply because it's not in their blood and not part of who they are. So even if you convince them with good reasons, they still won't do it for some reason.

The same could be true with religion too. It may be in some people's blood to be Christian or Buddhist or Atheist or whatever, and that's the real reason they are drawn to those beliefs or resonate with them. The reasons given are all just excuses to justify their feelings, which come from their blood or soul or whatever. We all look for reasons to justify what we do or what we believe or what we are. That's why we love people who give us good reasons that validate what we are in our blood or soul or DNA or whatever.

[Winston]

I agree with Yick. Usually if you do something major, it's in your blood. The reasons you give are just excuses to justify doing something you wanna do.

There are people who risk their lives climbing Mt. Everest, or free solo climb a mountain without any gear or equipment, which normal people think is crazy. But they all say that it's in their blood and if it's not in yours, you cannot understand them. If someone risks their life to do something unnecessary like that, then it's gotta be in their blood. All the reasons they give are just rationalizations to explain something they feel driven to do in their blood or inherent nature.

Well, it is in your blood Winston - your ancestors left Fujian for Taiwan, then your parents left Taiwan for America and then you went to Russia - it is in your blood - there is a thread by CdnFA (I will go and find it..) and he didn't understand why people went abroad - he just thought 'well, it's for women' and even when people explained 'well, not really...' but he said 'I like my life in Canada, my life is great in Canada except for the women part' but most people are like him, they move out of a desperation which are the wrong reasons. Let me go and find the thread.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30680

I was a bit unkind to him in the thread but most people would agree with his broad premise. That being abroad is hard, you're not accepted and it will never be like home whereas home to me was shit, boring and it was killing me inside, the best thing I ever did was leave but it was always on the cards, even as a kid.

But Yick, don't you have to be unhappy in the UK to leave it? Did you fit into UK culture? Or are you just adventurous by nature? Or do you get off on being a novelty in a foreign country?

Momopi once said that some are like trees, others like grass, and others like clouds. The tree people like to settle where they grew up and plant roots and nests. The grass people move to greener pastures to settle down. The clouds hate settling down and like to flow like the wind, which they consider to be freedom, without attachments, they are unsuited for marriage or careers, unless their partner is a fellow freespirit too.

[Archibault]

I don't think it's true that men who go abroad are 'misfits' though people who they leave behind in their hometowns might see them that way and see them as 'weird' the facts are, you are born to do it, it's in the DNA.

All my family have done it, hell, all my ancestors did it - going back 600 years ago, I went to my ancestral hometown in Spain - a cold, mountainous place even in the summer and they were some of the first Europeans to settle in the Americas - in those days, they left and they never went back - these days, most of my South American family live all over the world - America, Spain, the UK, Italy - it's in us to do it.

Of course, there are many people who would think leaving their hometown and their schoolfriends and the girl next door who they want to marry is a very extreme measure but it isn't - but it is in you to do it or it isn't. There are many men who like the idea of it but aren't cut out for the reality. The sensible ones stay right where they are.

@MarcosZeitola comes from a long line of seafarers - his father and his grandfather were sailors so it is in him to explore the world - my dad's side were also seafarers and my mum's side were conquistadors (not bragging but they were...) so, going half way around the world and planting our little flag to say 'we woz 'ere' isn't a) scary or b) a big deal - we want to do it and we did... I bet that is the same for @El_Caudillo @Yohan @publicduende @Shemp and even @Winston

Most men aren't capable of it though... explorers are born, not made and women aren't enough of a reason to do it - it is something inside.

That you're asking the question and thinking they're 'misfits' means you aren't an explorer @Archibault

I meant the "misfits" tag in a positive sense. I read a discussions between Winston and someone else and people kept bringing up the concept of "Misfits" and I wanted to learn more about it.

In terms of the "cheapness" it is something very interested as well. I could have create two threads but I thought two for one would be easier. For instance, I heard that a guru said he was surprised that expats went for less attractive women than they should. He said they could have easily gone for way more attractive women but they had been "conditioned' by Western culture to aim lower.

[yick]

But Yick, don't you have to be unhappy in the UK to leave it? Did you fit into UK culture? Or are you just adventurous by nature? Or do you get off on being a novelty in a foreign country?

Momopi once said that some are like trees, others like grass, and others like clouds. The tree people like to settle where they grew up and plant roots and nests. The grass people move to greener pastures to settle down. The clouds hate settling down and like to flow like the wind, which they consider to be freedom, without attachments, they are unsuited for marriage or careers, unless their partner is a fellow freespirit too.

I was unhappy there because the UK could never offer what I wanted - tropical weather, tasty food, exotic birds singing in the trees, white sandy beaches, the happy-go-lucky way of people and the lack of cynicism and sarcasm and a more interesting existence - that isn't to say the UK isn't a good place to live because it is in a lot of ways, it is a first world country and there are lots of opportunities for people to get on and it has a strong enforcement of law and there are standards to the place in regards health and consumer rights - you don't have to bribe policemen and you are protected when you buy property, you get great health care for very little/nothing - lots of good things about it but it wasn't for me - it is for a lot of people.

I didn't fit into UK culture and I much prefer it in Penang/Ipoh Malaysia and the Coffee Triangle of Colombia - very similar places to be honest, I like the gentle politeness of the people, the nice food, the infrastructure, the climate but I am adventurous by nature - yes. I don't need other expats to live my life, I am happy to live it here in the middle of China on my own whereas most expats go mad without an expat social circle to hang around with.

To be honest, you stop seeing yourself as a novelty after a year or two anyway and the people around where I am are now used to me - they don't give a shit but I find most of them are kind in their dealings with me. The novelty factor wears off over time.

Momopi is a wise person and is quite right.

[yick]

I don't think it's true that men who go abroad are 'misfits' though people who they leave behind in their hometowns might see them that way and see them as 'weird' the facts are, you are born to do it, it's in the DNA.

All my family have done it, hell, all my ancestors did it - going back 600 years ago, I went to my ancestral hometown in Spain - a cold, mountainous place even in the summer and they were some of the first Europeans to settle in the Americas - in those days, they left and they never went back - these days, most of my South American family live all over the world - America, Spain, the UK, Italy - it's in us to do it.

Of course, there are many people who would think leaving their hometown and their schoolfriends and the girl next door who they want to marry is a very extreme measure but it isn't - but it is in you to do it or it isn't. There are many men who like the idea of it but aren't cut out for the reality. The sensible ones stay right where they are.

@MarcosZeitola comes from a long line of seafarers - his father and his grandfather were sailors so it is in him to explore the world - my dad's side were also seafarers and my mum's side were conquistadors (not bragging but they were...) so, going half way around the world and planting our little flag to say 'we woz 'ere' isn't a) scary or b) a big deal - we want to do it and we did... I bet that is the same for @El_Caudillo @Yohan @publicduende @Shemp and even @Winston

Most men aren't capable of it though... explorers are born, not made and women aren't enough of a reason to do it - it is something inside.

That you're asking the question and thinking they're 'misfits' means you aren't an explorer @Archibault

I meant the "misfits" tag in a positive sense. I read a discussions between Winston and someone else and people kept bringing up the concept of "Misfits" and I wanted to learn more about it.

In terms of the "cheapness" it is something very interested as well. I could have create two threads but I thought two for one would be easier. For instance, I heard that a guru said he was surprised that expats went for less attractive women than they should. He said they could have easily gone for way more attractive women but they had been "conditioned' by Western culture to aim lower.

What you have to understand that most people here won't travel - they like the idea of going abroad but they're not going anywhere - what they want is for this place to be a soapbox for their boring political viewpoints - but if they had a nutsack - they would go and get a woman and bring her back to Shitsville Alabama and then wonder if she will become 'westernized' something I will never ever worry about because I would never take her back to my home country.

So, I lot of posters here do think the ones who travel are 'misfits' because they have no intentions of going anywhere, Winston has been all over Europe and Asia and they don't understand why.

The kind of women you are able to attract will depend on how attractive you are - women in China, I know this for a fact - have higher standards for white/black guys than women do back home, you will be compared to film and sports stars here in China.

[Archibault]

I don't think it's true that men who go abroad are 'misfits' though people who they leave behind in their hometowns might see them that way and see them as 'weird' the facts are, you are born to do it, it's in the DNA.

All my family have done it, hell, all my ancestors did it - going back 600 years ago, I went to my ancestral hometown in Spain - a cold, mountainous place even in the summer and they were some of the first Europeans to settle in the Americas - in those days, they left and they never went back - these days, most of my South American family live all over the world - America, Spain, the UK, Italy - it's in us to do it.

Of course, there are many people who would think leaving their hometown and their schoolfriends and the girl next door who they want to marry is a very extreme measure but it isn't - but it is in you to do it or it isn't. There are many men who like the idea of it but aren't cut out for the reality. The sensible ones stay right where they are.

@MarcosZeitola comes from a long line of seafarers - his father and his grandfather were sailors so it is in him to explore the world - my dad's side were also seafarers and my mum's side were conquistadors (not bragging but they were...) so, going half way around the world and planting our little flag to say 'we woz 'ere' isn't a) scary or b) a big deal - we want to do it and we did... I bet that is the same for @El_Caudillo @Yohan @publicduende @Shemp and even @Winston

Most men aren't capable of it though... explorers are born, not made and women aren't enough of a reason to do it - it is something inside.

That you're asking the question and thinking they're 'misfits' means you aren't an explorer @Archibault

I meant the "misfits" tag in a positive sense. I read a discussions between Winston and someone else and people kept bringing up the concept of "Misfits" and I wanted to learn more about it.

In terms of the "cheapness" it is something very interested as well. I could have create two threads but I thought two for one would be easier. For instance, I heard that a guru said he was surprised that expats went for less attractive women than they should. He said they could have easily gone for way more attractive women but they had been "conditioned' by Western culture to aim lower.

What you have to understand that most people here won't travel - they like the idea of going abroad but they're not going anywhere - what they want is for this place to be a soapbox for their boring political viewpoints - but if they had a nutsack - they would go and get a woman and bring her back to Shitsville Alabama and then wonder if she will become 'westernized' something I will never ever worry about because I would never take her back to my home country.

So, I lot of posters here do think the ones who travel are 'misfits' because they have no intentions of going anywhere, Winston has been all over Europe and Asia and they don't understand why.

The kind of women you are able to attract will depend on how attractive you are - women in China, I know this for a fact - have higher standards for white/black guys than women do back home, you will be compared to film and sports stars here in China.

Hey man, great points! You seem very knowledge, I want to ask you a few follow up questions:
1-When you say most men don't travel, do you mean in this forum or in America or in around the world?
2-How many men in America do you think are like Winston or even Roosh at least are down to venture outside of America?
3-How about men in other regions like Europe and Asia? Do you think they'll travel. Like say you live in a small European country will you go try you luck in Thailand. Or say you are somewhat successful Asian guy will you say, "Hey this year, I'll move to Spain or Germany and check out the women there."

[yick]

Hey man, great points! You seem very knowledge, I want to ask you a few follow up questions:

1-When you say most men don't travel, do you mean in this forum or in America or in around the world?

Generally but this forum has plenty of those also.

2-How many men in America do you think are like Winston or even Roosh at least are down to venture outside of America?

Most Americans think their country is the best country in the world.

3-How about men in other regions like Europe and Asia? Do you think they'll travel. Like say you live in a small European country will you go try you luck in Thailand. Or say you are somewhat successful Asian guy will you say, "Hey this year, I'll move to Spain or Germany and check out the women there."

There are many expats in places like Thailand but I don't think any successful Asian guy would go 'I'll move to Spain or Germany to check out the women there' a lot of this is culture at play, in a lot of Asia - family decides who their son will marry, I know in China, a lot of families would frown on their son marrying a German or a Spanish woman, same in Korea. Westerners usually have a lot more freedom to choose a mate from another culture.

[Archibault]

Hey man, great points! You seem very knowledge, I want to ask you a few follow up questions:

1-When you say most men don't travel, do you mean in this forum or in America or in around the world?

Generally but this forum has plenty of those also.

2-How many men in America do you think are like Winston or even Roosh at least are down to venture outside of America?

Most Americans think their country is the best country in the world.

3-How about men in other regions like Europe and Asia? Do you think they'll travel. Like say you live in a small European country will you go try you luck in Thailand. Or say you are somewhat successful Asian guy will you say, "Hey this year, I'll move to Spain or Germany and check out the women there."

There are many expats in places like Thailand but I don't think any successful Asian guy would go 'I'll move to Spain or Germany to check out the women there' a lot of this is culture at play, in a lot of Asia - family decides who their son will marry, I know in China, a lot of families would frown on their son marrying a German or a Spanish woman, same in Korea. Westerners usually have a lot more freedom to choose a mate from another culture.

Hey man, I'm not sure if you are Asian? You mention China in one of your posts, it would be interested to hear from Winston on this topic as well. But I wonder if say a successful Japanese or Taiwanese guy has free time for work like say one month vacation. Could he Europe for P2P adventures? Like I follow this Japanese who records his experiences in Europe's brothels and massage parlors. I wonder if he's unique or if other successful Asian guy would also follow this path? I'm not talking about marriage but rather hook up or p2p.

[yick]

I don't know.