The West goaded Russia into the war

[Yohan]

Bad logic. Why not make peace with your bully or make friends with him? Why start unnecessary conflict? Why make enemies that are unnecessary? You aren't making sense again.

Strange logic, you might ask the same question with Taiwan and China. You cannot be friend with such a country which is threatening you all the time with invasion. You will have always to mistrust China and consider the possibility to be attacked totally unexpected.

Same is true with Ukraine and Russia. Russia is such a huge country and compared to China really underpopulated. Still Russia was invading Ukraine and in the past various other countries too, Finland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Georgia... even took some small islands from Japan after end of WWII after breaching a non-aggression contract. You can never trust the Russian government whatever it will promise.

If Russia is going after you, you have only two choices, either to surrender or to fight back. There is no other solution.

[Cornfed]

Dammit Putin, cut off Europe's gas already. I want those motherfuckers to suffer. We should all be praying for a particularly brutal late winter cold snap.

[Cornfed]

Ah crap, he is being reasonable and letting the maggots wriggle off the hook.

[WilliamSmith]

US diplomat and one of the architects of "American" Ukraine policy has just recently come out and stated that they do indeed have US funded bio-weapon laboratories in Ukraine:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victor ... ogical?s=r

Self-anointed "fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.

Claims that Ukraine currently maintains dangerous biological weapons labs came from Russia as well as China. The Chinese Foreign Ministry this month claimed: "The US has 336 labs in 30 countries under its control, including 26 in Ukraine alone.” The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that “Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons.” Such assertions deserve the same level of skepticism as U.S. denials: namely, none of it should be believed to be true or false absent evidence. Yet U.S. fact-checkers dutifully and reflexively sided with the U.S. Government to declare such claims "disinformation” and to mock them as QAnon conspiracy theories.

Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”

Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.

But Rubio's clean-up act came too late. When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this: at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such "facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach” — [interruption by Sen. Rubio]:

[WilliamSmith]

Russia is such a huge country and compared to China really underpopulated. Still Russia was invading Ukraine and in the past various other countries too, Finland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Georgia... even took some small islands from Japan after end of WWII after breaching a non-aggression contract. You can never trust the Russian government whatever it will promise.

No rudeness toward you intended, but you listed various "Russian" invasions from when Russia was under jewish or Stalinist domination in the Bolshevik to USSR eras.
The situation now is reversed: It is a nationalist (more or less) Russia defending itself against subversion and invasion of Russia after Putin spent decades warning Ukrainians and other surrounding states over and over again not to surround Russia with US/NATO missile and military bases and biolabs, warning it could lead to warfare (which he wanted to avoid). But they still did it anyway, and just had even senior US officials come out and admit they had the biolabs (see previous post) that the jewish media and "fact checkers" were loudly denying existed.
Obviously it's a complete non-sequitur to talk about "the Russian government" as though it were the same consistent entity after it has gone through completely different revolutions and opposing ruling ideologies over long periods of time.

[Tsar]

Dammit Putin, cut off Europe's gas already. I want those motherfuckers to suffer. We should all be praying for a particularly brutal late winter cold snap.

Strategically and tactically, it isn't the right time for Putin to cut off gas exports to the EU. There's too much uncertainty in some regards. What needs to happen is to wait to see how inflation continues to unfold, see how the food crisis unfolds, and the damage the EU has inflicted on itself from sanctions. The Europeans would be able to increase US LNG imports more quickly during the summer season. If they were to be caught without much time to prepare during summer, it becomes more painful. At least that's sort of the basics of what I would do.

Putin demanding payment in Rubles was a much better strategy and tactic at this general time period.

[Cornfed]

Putin demanding payment in Rubles was a much better strategy and tactic at this general time period.

But the deadbeats aren't paying up, or not yet anyway, so time to give them what is coming to them.

[Tsar]

Putin demanding payment in Rubles was a much better strategy and tactic at this general time period.

But the deadbeats aren't paying up, or not yet anyway, so time to give them what is coming to them.

That's true but doing so at this moment isn't entirely optimal. Russia thinks through it's moves to ensure it doesn't impact Russia or has the most minimal impact.

He could be saving turning off the gas pipelines for a future date or escalation.

[WilliamSmith]

I see Ron Unz himself has also recently written a piece on the fact that not only are there "American" (=jewish) bioweaponry labs in Ukraine, but that high-level US officials even admit it openly, at the same time the ZOG's lying media goes on telling the masses that it's "disinformation" or "conspiracy theory":

https://www.unz.com/runz/ukraine-and-bi ... -theories/

...the situation drastically changed on Tuesday, due to the Congressional testimony of Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, chief architect of our Ukraine policy. She seemed not only to acknowledge the existence of those Ukrainian biolabs but was also apparently concerned that their dangerous contents might fall into enemy hands, thereby seeming to completely confirm those shocking Russian accusations. I’ve never regarded Neocons as particularly bright, but the game-ending own-goal she scored on an issue of the greatest international importance may have set a new record for total incompetence.

I was hardly the only person to notice the massive implications of Nuland’s apparent disclosure. Glenn Greenwald ranks as one of the world’s highest-profile journalists, and he quickly released a lengthy column yesterday morning laying out the facts, and noting that our official media fact-checkers had spent a couple of weeks denouncing and ridiculing accusations that now seem to have turned out to be true.

Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has “Biological Research Facilities,” Worried Russia May Seize Them
The neocon’s confession sheds critical light on the U.S. role in Ukraine, and raises vital questions about these labs that deserve answers
Tucker Carlson devoted his top-rated show on cable to the same issue, emphasizing the shame of having to quote official Russian and Chinese government propagandists on the matter because our own American government officials had been lying.

All the facts are not yet in, but at this stage I think we should probably assume that the captured documents provided by the Russians are correct, and our Defense budget was funding the development of deadly biological weapons at Ukrainian labs near the Russian border, including anthrax and plague.

Given that Ukraine ranks as one of Europe’s most corrupt states, word of these projects surely leaked out, and it’s easy to understand why the Russians took a very dim view of it, certainly contributing to their decision to invade. How would America react if a rabidly-hostile Mexican government backed by China were developing deadly bioweapons near the American border?

Naturally, this gigantic story based upon Nuland’s inadvertent disclosure has been totally ignored by America’s mainstream media, but Carlson’s Youtube clip from last night is already approaching a million views, and the facts will continue to spread.

Kevin Barrett quickly arranged an interview with me, and released a short video outlining the story, and setting it in a broader context. In particular, he noted that back in 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin had raised serious biowarfare concerns about our collection of biological material from ethnic Russians, certainly a very suspicious project for our government to have undertaken.

I underlined a few bits FBO people who follow this situation and still somehow embrace the narrative that basically runs: "Putin was an unprecedently effective Russian leader and reformer for decades, but all of a sudden has now gone utterly crazy and invaded innocent 'democratic' Ukraine all for absolutely no reason other than sudden unhinged megalomania," etc.
And that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how many times Putin warned the "West" (ZOGs) over and over again not to keep financing and fomenting subversions around Russia, or it could lead to trouble.

[WilliamSmith]

Also, I don't watch Fox Jews, but that Carlson a lot of you guys follow has come out with a feature on this as well. It was mentioned in the article I posted above, but now going on closer to 2 million views.
So Carlson definitely deserves some credit, even though I'm still suspicious of that network for being "controlled opposition" (particularly when it comes to scapegoating China and Russia for what jews are doing, perverting and completely destroying the so-called "West" from within and putting us under a new Iron Curtain, then blaming it all on Russia/China so they can start WW3 on purpose and destroy other nations).

[Yohan]

It is a nationalist (more or less) Russia defending itself against subversion and invasion of Russia after Putin spent decades warning Ukrainians and other surrounding states over and over again not to surround Russia with US/NATO missile....

You need only a map and see that Russia is so large and EU area is so small compared to it that any talk about subversion and invasion of Russia is nothing but empty meaningless talk.

Russia is not only the largest country in this world, but also has to longest borders of this world, about 57000 km totally and out of it about 20.00 km are land borders.

Borders to EU are not even 4000 km, and some of them are not NATO members, for example Finland, Sweden is located near, but without land borders and also not NATO member.

Ukraine is far away to become a NATO or even EU member in future, as many requirements, especially economically, are not fulfilled at all.

However Western countries are now openly assisting Ukraine to defend itself after it was invaded by Russia.

To claim Russia is 'defending itself' against invasion from EU in Ukraine is totally ricidulous. Ukraine is a poor country, income is less than half of those in Russia per person. Ukraine is more than 30 times smaller than Russia. It's the opposite, Ukraine is defending itself against Russia as these 40 million Ukrainian people do not want to live occupied under Russian rule.

The Russian government this time totally miscalculated its political situation. Russia was clearly threatening recently Finland and Sweden with invasion, should they ever dare to apply for NATO membership. - This cannot work well, as in return both countries start now to reconsider their neutral position.

https://www.politico.eu/article/finland ... ne-russia/

A survey by the Finnish broadcasting company Yle found that 53 percent of Finns support their country joining NATO. This figure goes up to 66 percent if neighboring Sweden were also to join NATO. This marks a drastic shift in public attitudes — in the previous poll in 2017, only 19 percent of Finns supported NATO membership.

In Sweden now also a discussion is going on about NATO
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ap ... 022-03-08/

STOCKHOLM, March 8 (Reuters) - Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson on Tuesday rejected opposition calls to consider joining NATO following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, saying an application now would destabilize security in Europe.

Sweden has not been in a war since 1814 and has built its foreign policy on non-participation in military alliances, but it has forged ever closer ties to NATO in recent years as tensions with Russia in the Baltic region have risen.
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A poll on Friday by Demoskop and commissioned by Aftonbladet newspaper showed 51% of Swedes were in favour of NATO membership, up from 42% in January. People against joining fell to 27% from 37%. It's the first time such a poll has shown a majority in favour
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Ulf Kristersson, the leader of the Moderates, called on the government to begin broad domestic political discussions about NATO membership, a debate that has already started in Finland.

[Tsar]

Ukraine is a poor country, income is less than half of those in Russia per person.

Adjusting for purchasing power parity, Russia's economy is as large as Germany's economy.

Ukraine's income needs to be adjusted for purchasing power parity to give a more realistic and factual comparison.

Nominal values mean nothing unless the people wanted to another nation, especially a high-income nation with a very powerful currency relative to their own national currency. Purchasing power parity is everything when it comes to comparing the nations economy of two people and the people within that nation's borders.

[Yohan]

Ukraine is a poor country, income is less than half of those in Russia per person.

Adjusting for purchasing power parity, Russia's economy is as large as Germany's economy.

Ukraine's income needs to be adjusted for purchasing power parity to give a more realistic and factual comparison.

GNI Income person incl. PPP (2021 worldbank data)

Ukraine int'l dollar = 12.100
Russia int'l dollar = 26.800 (more than double of Ukraine)

Germany int'l dollar = 53.639

(Ukraine, considering all the destruction done by the Russian invasion, I guess the income will become much lower in future, one of the poorest countries in Europe)

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without considering PPP data are as follows:
Top 10 Poorest Countries in Europe (by 2020 GDP per capita, Atlas method, current US$)

Ukraine - $3,727
Georgia - $4,279
Kosovo (partially recognized) - $4,287
Moldova - $4,551
Albania - $5,215
North Macedonia - $5,888
Bosnia And Herzegovina - $6,032
Belarus - $6,411
Serbia - $7,666
Montenegro - $7,686

[WilliamSmith]

You need only a map and see that Russia is so large and EU area is so small compared to it that any talk about subversion and invasion of Russia is nothing but empty meaningless talk.

Hmm, so your geopolitical analysis is based on comparing the geographic size of Russia's borders and landmass... and since Russia is bigger than Ukraine on a map, it's "nothing but empty meaningless talk" to point out that senior US officials directly involved in the 'American' Ukrainian policy (including the 2014 coup that installed globohomo pervert Zelensky) just openly admitted in video recorded public testimony that the US-funded bioweapon labs were installed in the Ukraine, exactly as the Russians claimed?

I guess we can call that line of reasoning the "muh dick" / "muh geographic landmass" basis for geopolitical analysis: If any country has a larger landmass and bigger geographic boundaries on a map, then there's no way any other country could be subverting it, even if the other countries surround the geographically larger nation with bioweapon labs and missile bases, along with all sorts of other subversive activities obviously designed to subvert, harm, and bring down that geographically larger nation.

On the other hand, maybe I'm wrong and it was very inconsiderate and thoughtless for Russia and China to selfishly place their ancient nations right in the middle of the ZOG's mass of military bases and bio-weaponry laboratories:



Humor aside, the situation is pretty much like this:
If a hostile rabidly anti-Japanese occupation government backed by China (or some hypothetical regime even more anti-Japanese than China) had taken over a neighboring nation right next to Japan, and was developing deadly bioweapon labs and missile bases aimed at Japan, while simultaneously using their controlled media to demonize Japan at every turn and loudly proclaim that they wanted to join a foreign anti-Japanese military coalition, would Japan be wrong to use military intervention to move in and capture those bioweapon laboratories and quell the occupation government threatening the rest of the nation? Obviously my opinion is: No.

[NPCslammer]

You need only a map and see that Russia is so large and EU area is so small compared to it that any talk about subversion and invasion of Russia is nothing but empty meaningless talk.

Hmm, so your geopolitical analysis is based on comparing the geographic size of Russia's borders and landmass... and since Russia is bigger than Ukraine on a map, it's "nothing but empty meaningless talk" to point out that senior US officials directly involved in the 'American' Ukrainian policy (including the 2014 coup that installed globohomo pervert Zelensky) just openly admitted in video recorded public testimony that the US-funded bioweapon labs were installed in the Ukraine, exactly as the Russians claimed?

I guess we can call that line of reasoning the "muh dick" / "muh geographic landmass" basis for geopolitical analysis: If any country has a larger landmass and bigger geographic boundaries on a map, then there's no way any other country could be subverting it, even if the other countries surround the geographically larger nation with bioweapon labs and missile bases, along with all sorts of other subversive activities obviously designed to subvert, harm, and bring down that geographically larger nation.

On the other hand, maybe I'm wrong and it was very inconsiderate and thoughtless for Russia and China to selfishly place their ancient nations right in the middle of the ZOG's mass of military bases and bio-weaponry laboratories:



Humor aside, the situation is pretty much like this:
If a hostile rabidly anti-Japanese occupation government backed by China (or some hypothetical regime even more anti-Japanese than China) had taken over a neighboring nation right next to Japan, and was developing deadly bioweapon labs and missile bases aimed at Japan, while simultaneously using their controlled media to demonize Japan at every turn and loudly proclaim that they wanted to join a foreign anti-Japanese military coalition, would Japan be wrong to use military intervention to move in and capture those bioweapon laboratories and quell the occupation government threatening the rest of the nation? Obviously my opinion is: No.

The way Western media, especially U.S, media has been trashing the Russians non-stop for many years now, long before the Ukraine invasion is evidence enough that globohomo just hates Russians. Obviously, the Russians are doing something that pisses them off. These same leftists will gladly edit films, social media posts, search engine results so as not to offend the CCP. Xi Xinping can continue genocide and harvesting peoples organs while leftists gladly stfu about it and do business with him while screaming about Putin non-stop. And anybody with half a brain knows the batshit levels of insanity leftists have gotten to with accusing everybody of being an “Putin stooge” “Russian bot” or spreading “Russian disinformation.” If the U.S, wasn’t an evil piece of shit country we’d already be doing tons of business with Russia, helping out their economy and helping ours. And instead of funding terrorists in Syria we could have been bombing them side by side with the Russians. The U.S. seems keen on making an enemy with Russia when it isn’t one. Not saying Putin and Russia are without problems.